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Not sure if this is the right place for this, but here it goes anyway.
So I've built my first rom from source using JackpotClavin's tutorial. I just need to add my own personal touch. I still have a LOT of work left to do before posting it but in the meantime I need to know what's expected regarding using other people's work.
As far as I know, technically/(legally), I'm not required to get permission from anyone to copy/modify/redistribute someone else's work created under the Apache license. But considering it's OBVIOUSLY severely frowned upon (not to mention against forum rules), I thought it'd be wise to find out exactly what's expected before pissing someone off that could potentially help me in the future.
Forum rules clearly state that "If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, you MUST first seek their permission, and you must give credit to the member whose work you used.", although there's question to how much of that actually happens.
But where do I draw the line? What's considered "acceptable" and what isn't?
For example, according to Google, we aren't allowed to package roms with gapps included but, its generally accepted. The same could be said about packaging roms with apps downloaded from the Market.
But what if I wanted to use, say, IntersectRaven's kernel? One that was clearly made for the use of the whole Kindle Fire community. Am I expected to get his explicit permission first, or just just give credit to him in the thread?
That being said, what happens when the new Hashcode kernel is released? I think it'd be safe to say that EVERY rom created thereafter would be packaged with either that kernel or some derivative using his code. Would it then be expected for every rom developer from then till forever to either get his permission or give him credit? (I'm not saying that it wouldn't be warranted...It's just an example)
And what about the proprietary files provided by JackpotClavin and his work?
Maybe I'm over thinking this, but the last thing I want is to be ostracized no not following proper protocol.
Any thoughts?
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Its just good form to ask before hand and cuts down on the drama. I contacted hashcode , jackpot and intersect raven and asked them all before I started using their stuff. It shows respect and acknowledgment for what the dev has done.
Just be courteous and polite and they will do the same.
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I never thought it was neccessary to ask for someones permission to use their code, that's what the whole FOSS thing is about. But you should definitely give credit where credit is due and mention the names of people who contributed code to your build and thank them.
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Creampuffyness said:
This belongs in Q&A... not Dev section
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Thank you for your input. But, with all due respect, this question was intended specifically to see what was generally excepted within the Kindle Fire development community, not XDA as a whole.
On that note, I greatly appreciate the feedback and patience given to an aspiring dev. One thing I've learned in this process is how much goes into the development process and how difficult it can be, even for someone with several years of IT experience. (maybe that's two things--sue me)
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Creampuffyness said:
This belongs in Q&A... not Dev section
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Let the moderators take care of that and don't troll. Thank you.
soupmagnet said:
Thank you for your input. But, with all due respect, this question was intended specifically to see what was generally excepted within the Kindle Fire development community, not XDA as a whole.
On that note, I greatly appreciate the feedback and patience given to an inspiring dev. One thing I've learned in this process is how much goes into the development process and how difficult it can be, even for someone with several years of IT experience. (maybe that's two things--sue me)
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What's been said so far is correct. However if you generally just credit the original author of the work, it's usually enough. Only the most anal devs require you to contact them to use their publically available work.
I would definitely think anyone who posts their work in source format is giving explicit permission for you to use it as a derivative work. Just give credit where it is due.
If it's in binary form, ask them and they'll probably give you the source. I haven't meet anyone on here who is less then awesome and wants the community to be as strong as possible.
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hello, i've made an Automated Atrix ThatRom Installer.
This script will help noobs to do everything without any troubles.
The file is a rar archive with all firmware files + installer.
here is a link http://www.mobile-inform.com/content/view/1148/1/
this is early alpha. you take all responsibility on yourself. I do not recommend you to use this rom, but if you still want to use it - here it is
UPD Updated To ThatRom v2 (AtrICS)
all thanks to the author of ThatRomv2 (AtrICS), i made only the Installer!
With best regards
the_fly
I don't think that it's a good idea to make an automatic installer of something that it's no stable for someone who doesn't even know how to use fastboot nor flash a zip. Maybe when this finally reaches the stable "level", then you should do the Installer.
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Maybe, until you're not annoying, you should stfu. Seriously stop trying to tell people what to do.
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Wow dude, that was really uncalled for. He is actually right because now the op has put himself in a position to be harassed by anyone who tries this and messes up their phone even though they should and do know the risks. He was just trying to be helpful, he wasn't attacking the op for making it.
I agree making an unstable, untested, developer test build easily available to newbies is a very bad idea. If they can't at the VERY least learn how to use fastboot and adb, they should come nowhere near this ROM. Unless of course you really want to be held responsible for dozens of bricked and/or unusable phones, and be expected to provide extensive support at all times.
if they are noobs - it is their problem. Everything is written befoure me.
Everyone takes responsibility for their actions.
There were several noobs who were crying about ICS even if they do not know what to do. and they are happy now, despite the bugs.
I am not, but i made for those who are. I am not going to tell anyone to install it, i did only help, but i suggest nobody to install it.
It doesn't work and you know it. It's as if there was some paid software that people want, and you made a crack/patch for it, and then you say you don't advise using it. Do you really think people will stay away just because you advised so? No, they won't. In fact in that case your disclaimers make no difference whatsoever, you are equally at fault for making it available as they are for using it. Why do you think all anti-piracy companies always go after crack makers and distributors and not so much after users? I mean many crack makers also advise against using their cracks. But people are stupid and never listen, and in in the eyes of many crack makers are the original offenders.
Or if you want a different analogy - go find a mentally unstable person who can't really think straight (may seem offensive but noobs who want test builds on their phones clearly do not know what they're doing), then place a bottle of some drugs and a fresh needle within easy reach, and then tell them you advise not using it. Observe what happens.
IMO this kind of things are best dealt with preemptively, by not even making the potentially controversial stuff easily available.
you see, i've made first script of unlocking the boot a year ago. a lot of peole thanked me. they were happy - they unlocked once and than used other ways to change the firmware. They were noobs, but happy noobs. 18 000 downloads (i think some of them were same persons, for example me - while i was testing, or when i was unlocking for my friends), but only 4!!! broken phones. 2 of them caused by bad motherboard and 2 of them by ignoring the manual and all the warnings.
This one is more easy one. less questins. less work. just use it.
and if person already have unlocked boot there will be no problem with this FW
and i want to mention it again some users are happy enought with this fw. Some do not have reboots, some have but for them it is ok.
You should tell everyone that this is a very alpha rom. It does run without multiple reboots for most people per the forums. I personally have tried all methods and cannot get it to run.
I appreciate your efforts but this is not something that noobs will get any value from. You should be very clear upfront.
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agurzhiy said:
hello, i've made an Automated Atrix ThatRom Installer.
This script will help noobs to do everything without any troubles.
The file is a rar archive with all firmware files + installer.
With best regards
the_fly
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Thanks agurzhiy!
I am a proud noob who used your unlock script and will use this one.
For all the pros which have a problem with this- you have the same approach as Motorola - "It's complicated you can't understand this". It's my choice what to do with my phone and agurzhiy providing us noobs with a possibility to participate in the effort to make it better.
The bottom line is instead of criticize why don't you spend this time and energy on creating and helping the community. Remember you were ones noobs too.
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e07015 said:
You should tell everyone that this is a very alpha rom. It does run without multiple reboots for most people per the forums. I personally have tried all methods and cannot get it to run.
I appreciate your efforts but this is not something that noobs will get any value from. You should be very clear upfront.
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i think everyone knows that it is alpha rom. nobody is going to install a script if if nobody knows what's inside. But i will add that it is alpha
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For all the pros which have a problem with this- you have the same approach as Motorola - "It's complicated you can't understand this".
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You're missing my point entirely here. But that's okay. I don't want to argue anymore.
Is this just a fastboot script or an bootloader unlocker and ram fix etc etc
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You're missing my point entirely here. But that's okay. I don't want to argue anymore.
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I do not think that this is an argument. It is more like sharing different views on a subject.
I know what you mean, you want to prevent (or at least warn) noobs from taking the risk of bricking their phone and you are right 100%. But let me ask you how many of XDA readers are dumb enough to download some thing like this without reading at least a bit about it(*). Give ppl a little credit, most of us will stop on red light although it is possible to continue. Take me for example: I wanted to use nebtop but had a difficulty to understand how to root. Than mramirezusa came out with Automatic bootloader for noobs like me and boom - now I'm using the atrix as a streamer and without this tool I couldn't do this on my own. My point is that having a possibility to do stuff is highly appreciated.
* Ryan Dunn: If You Gonna be Dumb - You Gotta Be Tough.
this is a fastboot script to make it faster and easyer for a noob
UPDATE:
added the 32 bit version for x86 Windows
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UPDATE:
added the 32 bit version for x86 Windows
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Dude, you've only been thanked here 7 times... Stop thinking so highly of yourself.
Unless you are going to stick around the forums helping these guys out when they have issues with your release, because they won't have anywhere else to go, and because other devs are busy with their own stuff, than you should probably refrain from posting anything that makes it easier to flash dangerous software.
Unless you're willing to help "guy xyz" (since quotes seem to be in) on "page 74" when he asks again, "why am i having video issues after flash", because your main post lacks important details and explanation and your web link is not multi-lingual, please refrain from posting content which could be perceived as harmful to use.
Any good software community recommends first releasing to a smaller test group in order to work out major bugs and minimize any potential impact the software may have on the device... And, any good service community would recommend first releasing to a smaller test group in order to create a base to compare full deployment scenarios against... In no cases would they make it easy to install buggy software on devices of users who can not adequately report issues during alpha stages of software.
Why is it so hard to understand how that applies here?
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IMO, you should stop spending so much time here on the forum arguing with people. Don't get me wrong but your posts are usually quite offensive (example what I saw today). You post almost in every thread, smartassing noobs, playing to be moderator... If you know something, share it, if post or thread is against the rules, report it.
Now you're arguing with guy who made first script of unlocking the bootloader and in the same time insinuate that many of xda members are just dump.
Forum, especially xda, is about sharing knowledge not giving useless advise/comment or to google it.
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Sorry everyone for off topic.
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We try not to feed him, Zeljko1234... Just let him be.
Your point is well deserved; but don't feed the trolls.
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Dude, you've only been thanked here 7 times... Stop thinking so highly of yourself.
Unless you are going to stick around the forums helping these guys out when they have issues with your release, because they won't have anywhere else to go, and because other devs are busy with their own stuff, than you should probably refrain from posting anything that makes it easier to flash dangerous software.
Unless you're willing to help "guy xyz" (since quotes seem to be in) on "page 74" when he asks again, "why am i having video issues after flash", because your main post lacks important details and explanation and your web link is not multi-lingual, please refrain from posting content which could be perceived as harmful to use.
Any good software community recommends first releasing to a smaller test group in order to work out major bugs and minimize any potential impact the software may have on the device... And, any good service community would recommend first releasing to a smaller test group in order to create a base to compare full deployment scenarios against... In no cases would they make it easy to install buggy software on devices of users who can not adequately report issues during alpha stages of software.
Why is it so hard to understand how that applies here?
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Why don't you argue with epinter or any other person who put ThatRom?
Why are you arguing with me?
i made the thing easier, but i am not responsible for the uncomplete software. some people are lazy to use fastboot, but they know how to use it (i have flashed my phone 3 times while testing some of options to find out how it works)
other do not have enough knowledge to flash, but it's thair dream to have it, they are ready for the bugs and they alwas can ask me to help them to flash any other FW. And if they have unlocked boot - they can use CWM.
And the last group - the people who are just afraid to install after a lot of information about locking bootloaders. In russian community forums i've read 10 such questions from people who i know, from people who know how to use fastboot.
And if person do not want to install it - he may not install it!
I'm thankful to everyone who share knowledge. Even if I don't use everything, I usually download or read just to learn how. Without such guys, Internet itself will be mostly useless.
Do not blame anyone (especially epinter) for your mistake. He and many others guys spend a lot of their private time to figure how to do something, developing, supporting... and then sahre for free! As I can see, very rare they get donation. Almost never for the most loudest complainers which just wait that someone else will do something for them.
As I explained, as long as you are willing to stick around and help people with issues they encounter after flashing this, and provide more detailed instructions that people can read in your first post, it's not an issue.
Low thank count makes the more seasoned members cringe, as people release stuff that brick phones then disappear (it happens), leaving the community in a state of unrest trying to figure out the full impact of an unmaintained release, how many users were affected by the release, and a common way to fix the issues, and it leaves it up to other developers to explain to every xyz person to read this thread, read that thread, or flash this to fix.
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best 4.4 rom you have used and why
4) No threads or posts asking for the best/most stable ROM/Kernel/Mod/whatever, or created for the purpose of comparing Phones/ROMs/Kernels/Mods/whatever:
These threads/posts will be deleted promptly and without warning. They have a history of causing problems due to trolls, and fanboys, along with various troublemakers, and therefore are no longer allowed. Regardless of that, there is really no way to judge whether or not a particular piece of work is better than another because it's all relative to begin with. If you want to know what piece of work is better for you, install something and try it out for a while. If you don't like it, try something else. Our Developers work hard to provide us their contributions, free of charge. Please show them the respect they deserve by trying something out and giving them your feedback.
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Yep, illegal. Cuz someone might get offended that their baby doll favorite is not yours also. But techiefanboyPC bull**** aside, how about some opinions so people can learn without having to waste time.
I know learning without wasting time and trying BS only a programmer should know is against the xda techieCode, but hey, some of us just want to use our phone and not recompile the universal android binary code just to customise it a little.
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Is it safe to install an banking app like ING Internet banking on a custom ROM?
Oh my god. Just delete your post.
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troullis2004 said:
Oh my god. Just delete your post.
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His question is less dumb then it looks. It's not that hard to build an keylogger or something into a custom rom. Most people here will install just about anything if it looks shiny.
Not to long ago we had a rooting method that was sending data to a server. People would still use it tough.
Always use your brain when you flash something.
In short: Yes it's safe to flash a custom rom.
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His question is less dumb then it looks. It's not that hard to build an keylogger or something into a custom rom. Most people here will install just about anything if it looks shiny.
Not to long ago we had a rooting method that was sending data to a server. People would still use it tough.
Always use your brain when you flash something.
In short: Yes it's safe to flash a custom rom.
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I agree. This isn't a dumb question at all.
And here at XDA we don't jump on new members who ask questions. It's rude and makes this site an unwelcoming place. That's not what XDA wants to portray to new members.
This is a sensible question from a user who is properly investigating his risk for identity theft. That's a good question, not a bad one.
As for the answer, well like anything it all depends.
99% of all developers are good people doing good honest work. (And its' probably even higher than that) But there's always that one jerk who tries to take advantage of good trusting people. So you do have to watch out for that.
The main ROMs that are popular and have a long history are completely safe. Cyanogen, Carbon, etc etc etc. These are developed by teams of people who work together and are screened by the ROM dev team before they are allowed to become official maintainers of a ROM. Those are all almost completely safe.
The only place I'd be concerned is when you have a one off developer building his own ROM from source who's working alone. That's where the risk is. And again, 99.99% of those developers are honest. The risk is very minimal. But it exists.
But bigger than that risk is your keyboard. Are you running a third party keyboard? Developed god knows where by god knows who? Just something you downloaded off Google Play? That's probably a bigger risk. I'd never use a 3rd party keyboard to enter banking information. It's WAY too easy to build a keylogging system into a keyboard. That's where the keyboard selector switch comes in handy. You can switch to a stock keyboard quickly to enter banking info then go back to the one you like.
Again, the risk of a Keyboard downloaded from Google Play being a keylogger is low. Very low. But it could happen. And even though it's a minimal risk, it's a risk you should be aware of.
The biggest risk to running a banking app on your phone is losing the phone itself. If you lose it and someone gets past your lock screen (not the most difficult thing in the world) they have access to your banking app. So NEVER save passwords on your banking app. Enter it each time.
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Oh my god. Just delete your post.
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Oh my god, if youre a rich twat that doesnt mean people dont care about their hard earned money. Money is just not swag my friend.
His concern is genuine and please be nice to people out here. You dont own opinions and thoughts that people have. Everybody is as free here as you are. So kindly let people clear their doubts.
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Is it safe to install an banking app like ING Internet banking on a custom ROM?
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●Well devs are pretty nice here thus only download firmwares from their threads and no other site. The links mirrored by them or in their official threads are to be used and thus they also mention that do not create any other mirror link. Never doubt a developer here. People here are a family.
●Never root (as it was widely publicised here) via kingo and vroot or root genius, they take anonymous data and idk what all they do. They were banned by xda too. Vroot is still banned.
●Plus keyboards are only to be downloaded via playstore as google has a software called bouncer which regularly checks for malicious content and coding in apps. Though bouncer has been fooled, but google devs and execs are cool too
Plus a swiftkey team or the go team wont want a bad reputation. Because so many people trust them.
The only way to inject a keylogger in your phone is via other sources apps. Any app can have it. IMHO it is always better to pay for the apps than downloading the cracked versions from shady websites.
●Always have way of cleaning your phone online or oia sms or anything. Google administrator (app) provides such service and so does samsung.
Thus if it gets lost or something, you can always wipe it or lock it online or just by sending a sms.
The only way to keep you safe
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Hey all, thanks for your reactions. I'm using the custom ROM from broodplank, a xda-recognized dev and I'm using SwiftKey.
I asked this question because I was indeed not sure if I should be afraid for keyloggers and stuff like that.
So, in conclusion, I should not be afraid and I could safely use Internet banking on this ROM, with this keyboard?
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Hey all, thanks for your reactions. I'm using the custom ROM from broodplank, a xda-recognized dev and I'm using SwiftKey.
I asked this question because I was indeed not sure if I should be afraid for keyloggers and stuff like that.
So, in conclusion, I should not be afraid and I could safely use Internet banking on this ROM, with this keyboard?
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Yes you can. Without a doubt.
But keyboard only from playstore. And rom only from XDA threads.
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Thing is
Coming onto a developers forum and asking if we include keyloggers in our work is kind of offensive or if its safe to use our work with banking apps (which gives the impression he thinks people like myself are trying to steal his info)
The fact that a user thinks we would do that in an open source environment means the op has not bothered to educate themselves before doing anything
I don't think you should see it like that. By flashing custom ROMs I think I show my trust in devs. I just have no clue how vulnerable these ROMs actually are.
After all, it's the safety of all my money I'm talking about.
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Thing is
Coming onto a developers forum and asking if we include keyloggers in our work is kind of offensive or if its safe to use our work with banking apps (which gives the impression he thinks people like myself are trying to steal his info)
The fact that a user thinks we would do that in an open source environment means the op has not bothered to educate themselves before doing anything
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He wasn't in a development thread. He properly posted in the correct general forum.
He didn't accuse anyone of anything, especially not you specifically.
He very well may not even know what a keylogger is and is just being reasonably precautionary to learn what the risks are before proceeding. And he may not believe that a rom developer would include malicious code but perhaps just wondered if a custom rooted rom was more vulnerable to attack by a third party after install than a stock closed source rom. (A legitimate concern because a rooted phone IS more vulnerable to attack if the user just grants superuser permissions to any and all apps that ask for it)
No specific accusations were made or devious behavior insinuated. So don't take his legitimate question so personally.
If it bothers you so much that anyone would worry about their bank account in a time when accounts get hacked regularly....try explaining why its not a major concern to install a custom rom.
Give a developer's viewpoint on what the risks could be and how you mitigate those risks by specifically not including malicious code. That would go along way to help nervous rookie modders feel comfortable about using work found on XDA. And it would go alot further than "my rom is safe because I said so".
Err..I never said anything about posting in a development thread...no idea where the first part of your post is in response to
I never stated he accused me of anything either
In your eagerness to correct me (and failing) you have gotten ahead of yourself
Its not down to me to give any viewpoints or any info about malicious code. This is a developers forum. Its down to the user to educate themselves
(A legitimate concern because a rooted phone IS more vulnerable to attack if the user just grants superuser permissions to any and all apps that ask for it)
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you dont see the problem with that sentence?
DSA said:
Thing is
Coming onto a developers forum and asking if we include keyloggers in our work is kind of offensive or if its safe to use our work with banking apps (which gives the impression he thinks people like myself are trying to steal his info)
The fact that a user thinks we would do that in an open source environment means the op has not bothered to educate themselves before doing anything
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Well there have been incidents when things like data leak have happened in XDA. Not because of you, the awesome developers, but because of the rooting methods and other methods and apps that were shared.
Keylogging is pretty easy, well atleast not that a task.
Thus talking about keylogging and other vilnerabilities is banned here too.
Plus when youre rooted, the vulnerability increases a bit.
That is why developers, mods and admins repeatedly explain and tell why warez and other sources apps should not be shared here. First, because you dont know what has been shared, with what coding and another point of condemning warez here is that you cannot just share someones hardwork for free here.
Example : KingoRoot, Vroot that were popular on XDA were banned by XDA Devs because of data leak that were reported and discovered by them. Mods and Admins are pretty cool you see.
If the OP wants to get educated and feel safe for a future relationship with XDA, I fail to understand why can't we just take this as a normal question and be done with clearing his doubts.
Everybody has doubts and they ought to be cleared.
Plus this is XDA, there are n number of sites replicating our devs work and you dont know what is coming for you next.
Thus, we were educating the OP how custom roms made uploaded on XDA are 100% safe and not how custom roms are safe. You as a developer are not being framed here.
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Hi guys, i'm an italian guy and forma this reason i don't undestend Hood the reasons why alla post of lollipop ROM will be closed. I understand that the problemi is the resources ot cyanogenmod. Thanks for all
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Long story short: users steal early code releases from various sources and mash them together. Ultimately releasing half baked roms with their own name on it. A bunch of devices have been bricked, so the threads will be closed to avoid further damage.
Original devs are unhappy with the situation and do not like it therefore they complain and wanted the threads closed.
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Trixanity said:
Long story short: users steal early code releases from various sources and mash them together. Ultimately releasing half baked roms with their own name on it. A bunch of devices have been bricked, so the threads will be closed to avoid further damage.
Original devs are unhappy with the situation and do not like it therefore they complain and wanted the threads closed.
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Thanks a lot bro , and if the person who stole the code fix all bugs and release a stable rom, the thread will bel closed euqal?
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Thanks a lot bro , and if the person who stole the code fix all bugs and release a stable rom, the thread will bel closed euqal?
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if they fix all bugs they should fix it in the source and send it to gerrit by CM for reviewing and then pushing in to the source for all to build on.
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Thanks a lot bro , and if the person who stole the code fix all bugs and release a stable rom, the thread will bel closed euqal?
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Doubtful they would be able to fix it, or they wouldn't have kanged it to begin with, they would have built it using their own source.
Although i understand the mind set, and have no problem with the threads being closed, i do not agree with the choice of the word steal. Google released the source for anyone to build with, if someone doesnt want their code used github has private repos. Which in my mind defeats the point of open source. But isnt it about time we go back to personal responsibility? If you dont know the devs rep, and or you cant recover from a bad flash, then maybe, just maybe you shouldnt be rooted or playing fast and loose with your devices operating system.
Just sayin, resume doing as you plz.
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Although i understand the mind set, and have no problem with the threads being closed, i do not agree with the choice of the word steal. Google released the source for anyone to build with, if someone doesnt want their code used github has private repos. Which in my mind defeats the point of open source. But isnt it about time we go back to personal responsibility? If you dont know the devs rep, and or you cant recover from a bad flash, then maybe, just maybe you shouldnt be rooted or playing fast and loose with your devices operating system.
Just sayin, resume doing as you plz.
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Absolutely agree with you. Open source is after all.. Open source. If you share your work, you must know that people are going to use it. It can be looked as your work is definitely something if others want to use it!
And yeah, if you have rooted your device and install roms, be ready for the risks it comes with. One cant blame a dev if they use devs stuff on their own risk.
I'll just leave this here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2944269