Hi
I have a few questions about rooting, before I actually take this step.
In the past I rooted my S6 when I owned the S8.
I have never paid attention to the following points.
Is KNOX triggered after just installing TWRP?
If that is the case then the end message is.
If KNOX is not triggered, I have another question.
After I have installed TWRP I want to make a full backup and then root the device.
If I later want to undo the root and then use the backup. Is KNOX then in the old state again?
Thanks for answering!
Greetz Jeffarson
jeffarson said:
Hi
I have a few questions about rooting, before I actually take this step.
In the past I rooted my S6 when I owned the S8.
I have never paid attention to the following points.
Is KNOX triggered after just installing TWRP?
If that is the case then the end message is.
If KNOX is not triggered, I have another question.
After I have installed TWRP I want to make a full backup and then root the device.
If I later want to undo the root and then use the backup. Is KNOX then in the old state again?
Thanks for answering!
Greetz Jeffarson
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Flashing anything that is not officially signed by Samsung will trip your Knox.
So flashing TWRP alone will trip Knox.
There is currently no fix for a tripped Knox. So restoring from a backup or flashing stock firmware will not fix this.
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I'm still kinda unfamiliar by rooting and its consequences regarding to loosing OTA ability.
My ritual when I bought a new Android phone would be CF rooted and then flashed it with Cwm recovery then made the nandroid backup out of it.
Will someone correct me how to safely root and still manage to have OTA update and how to make a nandroid backup before getting root?
Perhaps... is it by any chance rooting note 4 without tripping Knox?
Thanks
elytsynos said:
I'm still kinda unfamiliar by rooting and its consequences regarding to loosing OTA ability.
My ritual when I bought a new Android phone would be CF rooted and then flashed it with Cwm recovery then made the nandroid backup out of it.
Will someone correct me how to safely root and still manage to have OTA update and how to make a nandroid backup before getting root?
Perhaps... is it by any chance rooting note 4 without tripping Knox?
Thanks
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Root means no OTA
As simple as that man
Is there a root procedure for the galaxy s4 that's on the newest lollipop update ? I was able to root with kingroot but read its not safe to use kingroot and try install a custom rom ?
dpmeeks said:
Is there a root procedure for the galaxy s4 that's on the newest lollipop update ? I was able to root with kingroot but read its not safe to use kingroot and try install a custom rom ?
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CF-autoroot or flash TWRP then in TWRP flash SuperSU
Kingroot and SuperSU_me method works also... Watch the entire process in 2 parts... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWnYFDQ1Vio
K94U said:
Kingroot and SuperSU_me method works also... Watch the entire process in 2 parts... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWnYFDQ1Vio
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Have you lost root since? I've read a lot about people loosing root after a few hours to a couple of days. Any other issues, like random crashes / freezes / reboots?
Ezintn said:
Have you lost root since? I've read a lot about people loosing root after a few hours to a couple of days. Any other issues, like random crashes / freezes / reboots?
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That's why flashing TWRP and SuperSU is the safest/easiest way to root, it's about as straightforward as it gets
mattzeller said:
That's why flashing TWRP and SuperSU is the safest/easiest way to root, it's about as straightforward as it gets
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Wasn't aware I could flash a custom recovery on a stock unrooted phone. I don't use the s4, that's why both of the ones I own aren't rooted already, my personal phones are often rooted before I even get home from the store! I need root and su without tripping knox or making any significant changes to the current set-up on either phone. I would prefer the recovery was stock on at least one of 'em. So how should I go about this? One is a tri band and the other isn't. The dual band one needs to be as stealth as possible. Losing root really won't matter as long as the system permissions remain as is prior to losing root.
Ezintn said:
Wasn't aware I could flash a custom recovery on a stock unrooted phone. I don't use the s4, that's why both of the ones I own aren't rooted already, my personal phones are often rooted before I even get home from the store! I need root and su without tripping knox or making any significant changes to the current set-up on either phone. I would prefer the recovery was stock on at least one of 'em. So how should I go about this? One is a tri band and the other isn't. The dual band one needs to be as stealth as possible. Losing root really won't matter as long as the system permissions remain as is prior to losing root.
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Flashing a custom recovery is going to trip knox. Why do you care about knox? Triband or not flashing TWRP and SuperSU is the same. If you lose root and have things that require root to operate, you will lose the function of those things, unless it's a one off type of thing
mattzeller said:
Flashing a custom recovery is going to trip knox. Why do you care about knox? Triband or not flashing TWRP and SuperSU is the same. If you lose root and have things that require root to operate, you will lose the function of those things, unless it's a one off type of thing[/QU
It's imperative that root is stealth. Just need to give one app already running su permissions. On one device knox is monitored, that's why I care. I wouldn't care on my s5, but I never tripped it anyway - rooted with modified stock recovery, flashed MOAR, flashed TWRP. Been using MAOR and TWRP since each was first released. Been rooted on my personal devices since 3 days after the Hero was released. I've just never rooted the s4 or "stealth rooted" any device. That's why Kingroot / SSM looks promising. Any help would be appreciated.
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I would like to move an app or two into system apps without root, this is possible with TWRP, I have done on an old HTC ONE M7.
1. Would this still trip KNOX? (On HTC, this method still passed safety net, I left twrp without installing it).
2. Could I go back to stock recovery afterwards?
3. Where do I start? I'm an ex HTC user.
Thanks for any support, I have an Exynos S8 SM-G950F bought in UK.
1) yes
2) yes but knox is still tripped so whats the point of going back?
3) twrp thread in the dev section, or cf autoroot thread
Hello everyone. I want to know, if I unlock my bootloader with TWRP then root with Magisk manager, then do I lose my next Official OTG update? I'm using Stock Samsung Galaxy S8 Oreo. TIA.
najmulbappy said:
Hello everyone. I want to know, if I unlock my bootloader with TWRP then root with Magisk manager, then do I lose my next Official OTG update? I'm using Stock Samsung Galaxy S8 Oreo. TIA.
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Yep. Your Knox get busted and you won't be able to get another official OTA update..
You can still upgrade though, by flashing it using Odin, but I wouldn't recommend using that every time since it wipes your data.
StardustGeass said:
Yep. Your Knox get busted and you won't be able to get another official OTA update..
You can still upgrade though, by flashing it using Odin, but I wouldn't recommend using that every time since it wipes your data.
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I heard that Magick is not same as SuperSU. It won't make any change in system and partition. It is systemless root process so if I unlock just my bootloader and root with Magick why I won't be able to get another official OTA update!
najmulbappy said:
I heard that Magick is not same as SuperSU. It won't make any change in system and partition. It is systemless root process so if I unlock just my bootloader and root with Magick why I won't be able to get another official OTA update!
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The Knox system got busted not because of magisk, but because you're unlocking your bootloader and installing TWRP.
Yes, magisk does offer systemless root, and it ables you to pass safetynet check that is needed to turn on features like Android pay and some bank apps.. But, Samsung pay, and several Samsung apps that relies on Knox is busted once the Knox is tripped.
StardustGeass said:
The Knox system got busted not because of magisk, but because you're unlocking your bootloader and installing TWRP.
Yes, magisk does offer systemless root, and it ables you to pass safetynet check that is needed to turn on features like Android pay and some bank apps.. But, Samsung pay, and several Samsung apps that relies on Knox is busted once the Knox is tripped.
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Thank you so much for nice explanation
I was under the impression this was impossible, rooting without tripping Knox. However, I saw another member say this in another thread:
"You don't trip Knox as long as you leave system untouched, i think (i did not check download mode yet).
I installed TWRP via ODIN and did NOT "swipe to the right" in TWRP. Why should i anyway? Then i installed Magisk for systemless root.
Everything that needs Knox works, stock system partition is untouched, Knox is not tripped according to "Phone Info+" for Samsung.
I want to use it that way as long the phone gets official security updates to maintain warranty."
Would this work or is it BS? Thanks in advance.
When you flash TWRP which is an unsigned firmware, it will immediately trip Knox, regardless you modify the system or not. By installing TWRP, you are already modifying the firmware.
Just in short bull****. You are changing recovery and that is one of the checkpoints of Knox it sees a different hash, value, or missing a file and that triggers it.
tothehawks said:
I was under the impression this was impossible, rooting without tripping Knox. However, I saw another member say this in another thread:
"You don't trip Knox as long as you leave system untouched, i think (i did not check download mode yet).
I installed TWRP via ODIN and did NOT "swipe to the right" in TWRP. Why should i anyway? Then i installed Magisk for systemless root.
Everything that needs Knox works, stock system partition is untouched, Knox is not tripped according to "Phone Info+" for Samsung.
I want to use it that way as long the phone gets official security updates to maintain warranty."
Would this work or is it BS? Thanks in advance.
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I don't know too much about how it works, but maybe it is VMOS?
Swarai said:
I don't know too much about how it works, but maybe it is VMOS?
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lol hes almost certainly tripped knox.. magisk actually sets the warranty bit to 0x0 (this is only visual) to trick apps that check it into thinking device is not unlocked so it can pass safetynet n such apps that detect root