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pixel xl, slower than One plus 3!?

No offense but I am still waiting for the pixel to become available to purchase mine, but according to this the pixel is slower than the one plus 3!? I already own a one plus 3 now I am bit skeptical if I should spend 600$ on a phone that is slower..

I wouldn't if you already have a Oneplus 3. Especially since a Oneplus 4 shouldn't be too far off, and it will for sure curb stomp the pixel.
That being said, I'm getting the Pixel just for the better camera and daydream. And currently I'm just using a cheap Huawei, because my note7 was recalled

you can get Google Pixel and Google assistant free. if you only want the software experience
work's with any Marshmallow device. with root and custom ROM.
video below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnjMRrRE0jY
OnePlus 3S or 3T coming out very soon with SnapDragon 821 might aswell wait

Pixel is pushing to a QHD screen.... oneplus is just 1080p;

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Pixel is pushing to a QHD screen.... oneplus is just 1080p;
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ZTE axon 7 got QHD screen and is twice as cheap.

It may open up some games faster but its not a " faster" experience. You have to remember that these kinds of comparisons are never black and white. If this changes your mind then you're an idiot.

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It may open up some games faster but its not a " faster" experience. You have to remember that these kinds of comparisons are never black and white. If this changes your mind then you're an idiot.
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Why is not a faster experience one plus runs nearly stuck android. One plus is the closes to stock that you will get aside from Google. And it almost outperformed the pixel in every test. I dont want to agree as I will. E leaving the op3 for the pixel due to the quick updates for the pixel phone but is pathetic that Google makes a phone that performs just like a 400$ phone and price it twice as high..

egren58 said:
Why is not a faster experience one plus runs nearly stuck android. One plus is the closes to stock that you will get aside from Google. And it almost outperformed the pixel in every test. I dont want to agree as I will. E leaving the op3 for the pixel due to the quick updates for the pixel phone but is pathetic that Google makes a phone that performs just like a 400$ phone and price it twice as high..
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They are running two different versions of Android, and they have both optimized their software differently. The Pixel very well could have theirs optimized for battery life rather than app performance such as the OP3.. There are too many variables.

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They are running two different versions of Android, and they have both optimized their software differently. The Pixel very well could have theirs optimized for battery life rather than app performance such as the OP3.. There are too many variables.
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There is no rationalizing with folks who are caught up on the price of the Pixel......
I paid $37,000 for a Jeep Wrangler.. Thing has less options and modern amenities than a $20,000 Hyundai.... But it's a Jeep. It is what it is folks... More senseless grumbling, I guess it will subside eventually..
Sent from my Pixel XL

All I know is I've never had an android phone that was buttery smooth all the time like iOS runs on iPhone. The latest android phones i've used before the Pixel were the Nexus 6, 6P, 5X, Note 7, & S7 Edge and those phones always had hickups here and there in different apps so I've mainly been back on iPhone for the last 1-2 years. The Note 7 you could tell was snappy, but jump in the browser and start scrolling and it would 'hesitate' or 'lag' but it was never butter like the iOS browser. The Pixel is as close to iOS smooth that I have seen on an android phone and it is a very welcome feeling.

Like I've been saying: It's not about cold hard specifications. It's about how the WHOLE package comes together as a unit. The Pixel is a great example where the phone is greater than the sum of its parts. Google optimized the **** out of this device -- which is probably one of the reasons why it's so smooth. You could also argue that this optimization also greatly enhanced battery life. These two things together could take away from super-fast game loading which is why it's being beaten at this task by some older/lesser devices.
It's how you look at the TOTAL picture folks... like I said, it's not white and black.

GHII said:
All I know is I've never had an android phone that was buttery smooth all the time like iOS runs on iPhone. The latest android phones i've used before the Pixel were the Nexus 6, 6P, 5X, Note 7, & S7 Edge and those phones always had hickups here and there in different apps so I've mainly been back on iPhone for the last 1-2 years. The Note 7 you could tell was snappy, but jump in the browser and start scrolling and it would 'hesitate' or 'lag' but it was never butter like the iOS browser. The Pixel is as close to iOS smooth that I have seen on an android phone and it is a very welcome feeling.
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What would you chose a Lexus or a Mercedes-Benz?..

Believe me, the OnePlus 3 is not as great as many reports suggest - I can't wait to get rid of mine. It replaced a reliable Nexus 6P four months back and that was one of the worst phone decisions I've ever made. Why? Yes the OnePlus 3 is a very, very good phone in many ways. It's an piece of very solid hardware with a great camera and all the top specs you could want.
However, one of its key features that got my attention was the promise of a stock android experience. My mistake was I assumed that meant everything would be similar to my experience of Nexus phones (I'd had the 6P, the 6, the 5 and the 4 so far).Sure, I guessed updates would be less frequent, but overall I expected the same quality of software as a Nexus. How wrong I was. From the start, there were just so many bugs: for the first two months the on screen nav bar didn't work properly so I had to use the hardware buttons. There were problems with the mobile network connection; often settings i changed kept reverting to default after a reboot; notifications failed, ringtones were too loud; screen auto brightness levels were crazy; there were problems with SIM settings; and the battery drained very randomly. Wth every successive update that OP pushed out, only some of these bugs were fixed but even more new bugs were let loose. I think they've had to release urgent hot fixes for at least 3 monthly updates so far to address major issues. So now I can see why they are selling their phone so cheap: OP are woefully behind the bigger phone manufacturers when it comes to software development resources. For many that's worth it to save so much money, but not me
Worst still, if my own experience of OP's Community Builds programme to showcase and test new features is anything to go by, their stock android promise is about to be broken. They plan to introduce elements of their android software designed for the Chinese market. Think MIUI and you'll begin to get the picture. That's too much for any Nexus fan so guess what? My Pixel XL is ordered and arriving Wednesday and my OP3 is getting sold to my local second hand phone store right after that.
I can't wait to get back to a stable, reliable Google device again, even if the Pixel's pricing is ridiculous.

SpaceGooner said:
Believe me, the OnePlus 3 is not as great as many reports suggest - I can't wait to get rid of mine. It replaced a reliable Nexus 6P four months back and that was one of the worst phone decisions I've ever made. Why? Yes the OnePlus 3 is a very, very good phone in many ways. It's an piece of very solid hardware with a great camera and all the top specs you could want.
However, one of its key features that got my attention was the promise of a stock android experience. My mistake was I assumed that meant everything would be similar to my experience of Nexus phones (I'd had the 6P, the 6, the 5 and the 4 so far).Sure, I guessed updates would be less frequent, but overall I expected the same quality of software as a Nexus. How wrong I was. From the start, there were just so many bugs: for the first two months the on screen nav bar didn't work properly so I had to use the hardware buttons. There were problems with the mobile network connection; often settings i changed kept reverting to default after a reboot; notifications failed, ringtones were too loud; screen auto brightness levels were crazy; there were problems with SIM settings; and the battery drained very randomly. Wth every successive update that OP pushed out, only some of these bugs were fixed but even more new bugs were let loose. I think they've had to release urgent hot fixes for at least 3 monthly updates so far to address major issues. So now I can see why they are selling their phone so cheap: OP are woefully behind the bigger phone manufacturers when it comes to software development resources. For many that's worth it to save so much money, but not me
Worst still, if my own experience of OP's Community Builds programme to showcase and test new features is anything to go by, their stock android promise is about to be broken. They plan to introduce elements of their android software designed for the Chinese market. Think MIUI and you'll begin to get the picture. That's too much for any Nexus fan so guess what? My Pixel XL is ordered and arriving Wednesday and my OP3 is getting sold to my local second hand phone right after that.
I can't wait to get back to a stable, reliable Google device again, even if the Pixel's pricing is ridiculous.
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Valid point, I do agree that they are not very good in the software department.. I am myself getting a pixel I just don't think the pixel is priced right

egren58 said:
Valid point, I do agree that they are not very good in the software department.. I am myself getting a pixel I just don't think the pixel is priced right
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Its the same exact price as the iPhone designed to directly compete with the iPhone. Nexus phones were never meant to be a huge money maker for Google -- the Pixel is, and as such is priced and marketed as such.

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Its the same exact price as the iPhone designed to directly compete with the iPhone. Nexus phones were never meant to be a huge money maker for Google -- the Pixel is, and as such is priced and marketed as such.
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I think the pixel should of been a nexus 6p with a 5.5 inch display and updated specs keep everything else the same including the front facing speakers. Now that I would thrown my money at Google for.

egren58 said:
I think the pixel should of been a nexus 6p with a 5.5 inch display and updated specs keep everything else the same including the front facing speakers. Now that I would thrown my money at Google for.
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The Nexus 6P had a premium feel to it, but was made poorly. Watch what happens on YouTube when you try to bend one. I like the Pixel design much better... no visor/camera hump, much more study, two-tone unique back design, etc.

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The Nexus 6P had a premium feel to it, but was made poorly. Watch what happens on YouTube when you try to bend one. I like the Pixel design much better... no visor/camera hump, much more study, two-tone unique back design, etc.
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So your one of those idiot who actually attempts to bend a phone. Or wait let me guess your one of those who performs 50 ft drop test?!. ????????
Who the heck runs around attempting to bend a phone those reviews are stupid and my opinion. So stupid that prior to iPhone bend gate it dint even exist.
And the two tone is ugly af once mine arrives I will be putting a skin over the phone.

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So your one of those idiot who actually attempts to bend a phone. Or wait let me guess your one of those who performs 50 ft drop test?!. ????????
Who the heck runs around attempting to bend a phone those reviews are stupid and my opinion. So stupid that prior to iPhone bend gate it dint even exist.
And the two tone is ugly af once mine arrives I will be putting a skin over the phone.
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Watch how easy it bends ... He says "my 6 year old daughter could easily bend this phone in half".
You're the idiot for buying a phone that you think is ugly AF lpl

Long term Pixel opinion?

What's your opinion of this phone now that it's been out for more than six months?
Build quality, development, etc.
Compared to previous phones or compared to whatever your expectations might have been.
Me?
I'm sorry to say that I wish I never left my Moto X Pure with BrokenOS' MarshMallow ROM.
Pixel is great though, in many ways.

It was a much needed update from my aging Nexus 6.
Was briefly contemplating iPhone, but stuck with the Pixel.
Overall, I love the camera, the battery is a champ, and so far I feel no need or want to modify the device.
I think google did well with this one.
Let's hope LG doesn't botch the next one.
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CZ Eddie said:
What's your opinion of this phone now that it's been out for more than six months?
Build quality, development, etc.
Compared to previous phones or compared to whatever your expectations might have been.
Me?
I'm sorry to say that I wish I never left my Moto X Pure with BrokenOS' MarshMallow ROM.
Pixel is great though, in many ways.
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It's the cherry ? bomb. Like all my Google phones.
Unprecedented battery life.
Fast as Lightning (Especially w/sdcardfs)
No cracks or damage.
Best reception I have ever had.
Extremely challenging to hack. Very easy once you have the slots and Google stops playing games. Lol
Speaker sucks. But I can live with it.
Never have and never will buy anything but a Google phone.
I can go on and on.....
BTW Moto Rocks!

I came from an S5 so anything would have been an upgrade for me. So this thing is screaming fast to me

I bought the phone after I had to send my Note 7 back. I liked it, but didn't keep it long. I've been through a few different phones in the meantime, but finally came back. It's faster than any phone I've used, and still feels really solid, and good in the hand

I came from a N6 as well. I miss the stereo speakers and the bigger screen size of the N6.
The positives of Pixel are the speed, battery life and the general smoothness of the phone.
The cons are pathetic speakers (What was google thinking?), huge bezels (which I find hard to digest coming from a lesser bezel N6) and the lack of development. On my N6 I had flashed almost 10 custom ROMs at different times.
There is hardly much choice for Pixel XL other than a handful ROMs. Perhaps the high price of the phone and the slot rigmarole turns off developers here.
I'm happy with the Pixel , but it was close to $900 and I just feel that I did not get my money's worth. That said, I can't deal with non-Google phones. Was thinking about a One Plus 5, but that's about it. Hopefully Google does something nicer with Pixel XL2.

I love stock Android and EAS is the best thing to happen to Android but..
Just can't justify the price for what you get. I'm a big Audio guy and the speaker is worst I've heard along with 3.5mm jack just sounds awful..
have to run an External DAC to make up for the poor quality
Video recording seems a bit meh blury/grainy no matter what I can't take a clear video unless it's in direct sunlight and then have to deal with the *Lense Flare* another pain in the ass
Rest of the phone is good
Development it's pretty much none existent seems like if you want roms/kernel's either stick with a 6P or OnePlus/Other China device
But I feel like it should of been priced at same as the 6P $440 we only got minor improvements nothing "WOW" to make up for the $300 extra..
I guess we paid for that "Made By Google" bs marketing. Also was never in stock anywhere + the hardware issues drove people away lets hope HTC isn't making again so we can have a great launch and hopefully bring people back :good:

liam_davenport said:
I love stock Android and EAS is the best thing to happen to Android but..
Just can't justify the price for what you get. I'm a big Audio guy and the speaker is worst I've heard along with 3.5mm jack just sounds awful..
have to run an External DAC to make up for the poor quality
Video recording seems a bit meh blury/grainy no matter what I can't take a clear video unless it's in direct sunlight and then have to deal with the *Lense Flare* another pain in the ass
Rest of the phone is good
Development it's pretty much none existent seems like if you want roms/kernel's either stick with a 6P or OnePlus/Other China device
But I feel like it should of been priced at same as the 6P $440 we only got minor improvements nothing "WOW" to make up for the $300 extra..
I guess we paid for that "Made By Google" bs marketing. Also was never in stock anywhere + the hardware issues drove people away lets hope HTC isn't making again so we can have a great launch and hopefully bring people back :good:
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I do miss the value days of the Nexus program. Minus Shamu of course. That was expensive. When I bought those Nexus, I felt like I was getting an incredible value for a smartphone.
Here is something I truly value and want everyone to think about.
How much is it worth to us for,
Monthly security updates
Major OS upgrades for two years
Bugfixes along the way

I'll tell you by saying what I've chosen as my daily driver and where my SIM card is and what's in my pocket right now. I've had marlin since Nov '16 and iPhone 7 plus since Jan '17. The marlin is in my pocket right now. The iPhone 7 plus is a great device (iMessages, waterproof) but the reason I love android is the ability to modify (stock or ROM-root-kernel) and access to that SD Card. Otherwise the 2 are pretty much equal as to camera, battery, speed, smoothness, response to touches, etc. at least in my perception. So, obviously I'm very pleased with marlin since I prefer it to a very popular alternative. Had a Samsung Galaxy S7 in early 2016 but sold it after 2 months, Pixel much better device to me.

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I came from a N6 as well. I miss the stereo speakers and the bigger screen size of the N6.
The positives of Pixel are the speed, battery life and the general smoothness of the phone.
The cons are pathetic speakers (What was google thinking?), huge bezels (which I find hard to digest coming from a lesser bezel N6) and the lack of development. On my N6 I had flashed almost 10 custom ROMs at different times.
There is hardly much choice for Pixel XL other than a handful ROMs. Perhaps the high price of the phone and the slot rigmarole turns off developers here.
I'm happy with the Pixel , but it was close to $900 and I just feel that I did not get my money's worth. That said, I can't deal with non-Google phones. Was thinking about a One Plus 5, but that's about it. Hopefully Google does something nicer with Pixel XL2.
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Agreed 100%. Thats why i skipped this one looking forward to the next one. For the price it must have stereo speaker, better audio, water resist, better design and quality. Oh and wireless charging. Then i will jump right in.
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Six month user here. And my main complaint for the Pixel remains exactly same as it was back when I bought it. The sudden freezing problem. Just out of nowhere the screen freezes for a second or two, if I am playing a game, then its done, simply over, have to restart, and I can't express how much I hate that. Of course its most noticeable/affecting while gaming, but it happens basically everywhere too, but just less frustrating in other places.
I was advised to format the phone, not root it and blah blah but exact same happened there too, without installing any apps at all! Ridiculous problem and IMHO the most annoying issue Pixels have.
Other than this, I don't know, sometimes the low light photos come with a really weird greenish cast, completely off coloured and way too much noise (yeah with HDR+ On, that's the only one I use anyway) etc.
But other than these two, I have no complaints. Tremendous call quality, more than acceptable display (though still no Apple!), excellent GPS (though Google Maps says to calibrate compass every now and then), buttery smooth interface all around most times, at max volume the loudspeaker is excellent (though at half volume it can't be heard and equally ****e!), really low SAR value etc., I am contemplating the U11 now, just for the sound and camera, but if I don't go that route I am gonna keep this phone for at least two years, and the maximum I have ever used a mobile phone was for 15 months, the Galaxy S2 back in the days, should suffice what I think about this phone.
I also have the OnePlus 3 in office, and I know some people compare it and I can say its basically Guava vs Apples comparison.
PS: Sorry didn't comment about development, but I honestly don't care much about it at all. I bought the Pixel so that I won't be needing the optimise it, let Google optimise it for me, and they did a fairly decent job, but after using Franco kernel I can say Google could have done a much better job. So that's all I need, a custom kernel.

coming from Samsung and LG devices, this phone has been a breath of fresh air even with this new partition scheme. Phone does well, battery life holds up for two days. I just have an issue with bluetooth not consistently sending music info to my radio. Some days it works, other days it's like what music info...

It's great and definitely a worthy upgrade from my Nexus 6. The only thing I miss is the front facing speakers but I didn't use them much anyways, well that and I guess it's way more slippery than my Nexus 6 because I don't use cases at all.

Couldn't be happier. Presently have a 7 Plus and the XL that I swap my sim between. IPhone is great in many ways but I just keep coming back to the Pixel XL....something about the experience I get using it that I really enjoy.
As for the other characteristics of the device others have already commented. I purchased mine at launch and received it later October.

I currently have the Nexus 6P. Damn that is a nice phone! I'm seriously doubting anything will "crush" this phones performance. But I decided I wanted to move up to the Pixel XL. I'm a decent Android gamer, so the updated GPU was nice. Plus, the camera is supposedly just that much better. Among other things, like 4GB RAM instead of the 6P's 3GB.
I don't receive the Pixel XL until Monday, so I'm wearing a path through my foyer, pacing back and forth, waiting for it to arrive.
I've spent at LEAST 30 hours this week doing research on the Pixel, its partition layout, how to get root to work, TWRP limitations, etc. This is certainly more complicated than the 6P.
Part of the reason I decided to plop down for the Pixel, was because I didn't see a lot of development going for it, as there is for the 6P. And since people seem to like my ROMs, I figured I'd toss something out there that I made, and see what kind of life it can breathe into the Pixel.
I think I'll like it. Tried it out in-hand at BestBuy yesterday. Solid device, great screen, color accuracy is actually better than the 6P, and for the first time, I kind of like the phone WITHOUT a case! Never though I'd say that.

I've used iPhones since the 3GS up until the 6S Plus (all jailbroken). I decided to try out the Nexus 6P (first ever Android phone) and fell in love with it! Custom ROMs, kernels, tweaks, Xposed, etc. were all new to me and I loved every bit of it!
However, for some reason, I decided to sell it and pick up an iPhone 7 Plus when it released. As iOS matured, security got tighter, and jailbreaking became more difficult. I got tired of waiting for a jailbreak to release and realized how locked down the OS is (when not jailbroken) compared to Android.
I sold my 7 Plus and bought this Pixel XL. I wasn't a huge fan at first, just because of the confusion with the slots and the lack of development​ compared to the 6P.
Now that there is more development and that I understand the slots better, I'm really enjoying this phone!
Overall, if I had the choice, I would still probably pick the 6P over this; that thing was just a beauty in basically every aspect, and it was the phone that first introduced me into the Android world.
Not a huge fan of the single downfiring speaker or the bottom chin, but otherwise it's a great phone, especially the camera!
I'm going to see what the OnePlus 5 has to offer, and may switch to that - but I'll definitely keep this XL around until the 2nd gen Pixels release. I'll be purchasing the second gen Pixels only if Google allows them to be development friendly like how the Nexus line was. If not, I may make a permanent switch over to the OnePlus line.

CZ Eddie said:
What's your opinion of this phone now that it's been out for more than six months?
Build quality, development, etc.
Compared to previous phones or compared to whatever your expectations might have been.
Me?
I'm sorry to say that I wish I never left my Moto X Pure with BrokenOS' MarshMallow ROM.
Pixel is great though, in many ways.
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Well I had the LG G6, S8+, and I sent the G6 back and sold the S8+. The pixel was snappier than both, better camera than both which is a great feature having and outstanding camera, and more reliable than both. I like stock Android, clean, fast, stable. I like being able to unlock and do what I want with my phone when I want and still have the same snappiness, camera quality, and reliability on custom ROMs. Most times you sacrifice things to go custom. Not with Google devices, Nexus, Pixel, etc. I still have it since released and can't see getting rid of it any time soon. Ya, maybe people thinking of OnePlus 5, but I also had the 3 and 3T and one thing I hated about that is when using anything custom, the camera was horrible, BT for me had issues, and other little nags. All in all, this is definitely my go to device and I've had many.

I give it a C+
After having the Pixel XL since I returned the Note 7 (Best phone I've ever owned IMO), There are issues with it that really bug me.
- For one, Youtube stutters and desyncs the audio from the video almost every video I watch, and I watch a lot of YT.
- Second, the bluetooth does not sync right in my Audi, and every 15 minutes it sounds like a modem for like 20 seconds and reconnects. It also doesn't know what to do on voice calls and frequently bounce back and forth between car speakers, and phone speaker mode, so I just turn it off for voice or Hangouts/Meet calls in the car.
- Third, the battery life has been dwindling over time, so I charge twice a day now. Yes, I'm a power user and need at least 6-8 hours of screen on time per day. That being said the phone charging speed is ridiculously fast. I can charge at least 50% in 30 minutes.
- The speakers are crap, and the audio jack doesn't give me enough volume. The setting between say 60-65% volume is way too loud, so the volume curve is not good.
-As a pro, the Camera is excellent, even in low light if you know what you're doing. The video, if you use the auto stability is crap so just don't use it.
The phone does stutter, and take a while sometimes. I am using the stock ROM, and have made no modifications to the file system or home screen at all. As is, this phone is average, so for the price, not worth it. I do have the Verizon version, and not sure if that makes a difference. Can't wait for the Note 8 to come out.

I've had mine since November and still love it. I came from the G7 edge which I was quite fond of as well. The following are the good things that keep me on the Pixel.
- Camera, for stills easily the best available. Wish the EIS didn't cause the jello effect when panning while video recording, but nonetheless I've been quite pleased with the camcorder as well.
- Software, clean, simple, fluid and robust. I am on stock unrooted. I reboot my phone once a month for updates and the phone never lags, gets janky or develops issues requiring a reboot. Additionally, the speed of updates means I'm always up to date with the most secure version​ of Android available.

I've had my Pixel XL 128gb since launch. I came from a Note 7, so was very challenging to get used to having a very lean software base which didn't offer many features in comparison to the Samsung series. I missed many software features from the Note 7.
The thing that gets me the most, is that I was already bored of the device 6 months in. I usually hold onto a phone for 12-24 months. The Note 4 I held onto for the longest time (24months). I enjoyed it as there were both android OS updates, and touchwiz updates, so it constantly got a new lease to life looking fresh or having new features. 8 months on and the Pixel looks exactly the same, with no updates.
I also feel that the design looked dated when I bought it, but it now is really showing it's age with the HUGE bezels. I have also struggled to find any good screen protectors (I've tried them all) as they don't sit properly. The phone is huge with a smaller screen than most phones this price/size.
It's got the worst bluetooth of any phone I have every owned, partly down to Android but also to the Pixel.
Had a lot more ROM options for Samsung, being that you can go Note 4 roms, Note 5 roms, Note 7 roms, AOSP builds, CM, MIUI. I feel like the Pixel has AOSP, stock. That's it really. They are all the same with very minor changes.
Otherwise it's mostly buttery smooth - although i'm constantly keeping my eye out for a new phone, so could be the shortest period I have owned a phone for.

Essential Phone vs Oneplus 5

Hi everyone,
I just wanted to get an idea of what you all though about the essential phone vs the oneplus 5. Why you bought/or thinking of buying one over the other...

LOL, don't waste your time... OnePlus 5!
I have a OnePlus 5 (8/128) and i don't want this ugly Essential Phone

Pho3nX said:
LOL, don't waste your time... OnePlus 5!
I have a OnePlus 5 (8/128) and i don't want this ugly Essential Phone
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The essential is beautiful

If there is a decent amount of development for it, I'll most likely consider getting one

For me, oneplus 5 is the most essential phone so far!

The biggest selling point for me would be custom software development. OnePlus was always well supported. OnePlus 5 had working recoveries and root within a week from its launch.
Essential is pretty new to the game, so let's see what it can do.
Being created by Andy Rubin I assume it should be pretty developer-friendly.

What really makes the Essential phone better than the OnePlus 5? I really don't see anything outside of a bezel-less screen
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Essential has no headphone jack. A pointless device that just blindly follows the latest trends. And the kernel sources aren't released for it yet, that should give you an idea how dev friendly it is.

Caitlin550 said:
That's your opinion really. In a few years OnePlus will make a move to Meizu style, so watch your words. OnePlus 5 and older OnePlus devices are open for vulnerablities.
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Any sources to vulnerablities present in 1+ phones?

Caitlin550 said:
Headphone jack will soon be removed on other phones after 2018 or 2019
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Well I'll just be removed from the list of their potential customers.

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Do your research and then you will find out.
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No way. You are the one who brought it up so it's up to you to defend your position. Both the OnePlus 5 and Essential run Android, and there's nothing about one device being cheaper that means it's more open to vulnerabilities.
If you're referring to the ability for App Locker to be bypassed, that's going to be resolved with a system update, and any device could have had a similar flaw
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Removing the headphone jack is kinda stupid in my opinion. Other than saving space and making it possible for the phone to be even thinner, there's no real benefit to removing it.
What's next to be removed? The charging port and force us to use wireless charging? If the phone has to sit on a stupid pad, it's not truly wireless. Unless I can walk around the house with it, while it's charging, it's not truly "wireless". Wireless means no wires, but it also implies mobility/freedom.

That has nothing to do with the OnePlus being a "cheaper" device. It's part of the compromises made for a very developer-friendly phone. I'm sure if the Essential's bootloader is easily unlocked, people will find some vulnerabilities with it as well.
Samsung and BlackBerry have focused on security for their phones, which often means locked bootloaders and limited access to modding abilities (not that it isn't possible, but once you do, you completely break their security layer (Samsung Knox, for instance).
There is absolutely nothing to suggest Essential has a security barrier like Knox, so your point is pretty much meaningless in a thread comparing OnePlus to Essential.
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I'm on the fence between the OnePlus 5 and the Essential phone, myself.
After owning a long line of Nexus devices, a OnePlus 3, then a Google Pixel XL, I made the switch to the Galaxy S8. Overall, the S8 has actually been great. But it does come with its annoyances, namely Samsung CONSTANTLY trying to push their proprietary apps through random weekly notifications and the Bixby interface. I've disabled a lot of the Samsung bloatware apps but the phone still lags/hangs more often than my OnePlus 3 or Pixel XL ever did, which is just sad. So I'm ready to get back into the more "pure Android" experience.
I was initially planning on holding out until the Pixel 2/Pixel XL 2 were announced but reputable rumors are consistently showing that the regular pixel will just have a 5" screen with huge bezels again and the XL 2 will be a monster of a phone with a 6" screen that matches the size of the S8+ but with even larger bezels. It will be pushing 6.4" tall, which is simply too big for me. So I've decided to look at other options. The reviews of the OnePlus 5 have been excellent and I was extremely close to pulling the trigger on one until news of the Essential phone really started to break recently.
These days I don't really root/mod my phones so that isn't much of a concern. And after experiencing the bezel-less life of the S8, it would be tough for me to go back to something with 2015/2016 size bezels. This is why the Essential phone really has my attention, at the moment. Plus the design of the Essential phone is very original and I love just about everything about it. However, I will admit that at least OnePlus makes good use of the large bottom bezel with the capacitive keys and finger print scanner. Not to mention that it costs over $150 less than the Essential Phone.
Personally, I'm having a really tough time deciding between the two. At least I've ruled out all other options, at this point.

sn0warmy said:
I'm on the fence between the OnePlus 5 and the Essential phone, myself.
After owning a long line of Nexus devices, a OnePlus 3, then a Google Pixel XL, I made the switch to the Galaxy S8. Overall, the S8 has actually been great. But it does come with its annoyances, namely Samsung CONSTANTLY trying to push their proprietary apps through random weekly notifications and the Bixby interface. I've disabled a lot of the Samsung bloatware apps but the phone still lags/hangs more often than my OnePlus 3 or Pixel XL ever did, which is just sad. So I'm ready to get back into the more "pure Android" experience.
I was initially planning on holding out until the Pixel 2/Pixel XL 2 were announced but reputable rumors are consistently showing that the regular pixel will just have a 5" screen with huge bezels again and the XL 2 will be a monster of a phone with a 6" screen that matches the size of the S8+ but with even larger bezels. It will be pushing 6.4" tall, which is simply to big for me. So I've decided to look at other options. The reviews of the OnePlus 5 have been excellent and I was extremely close to pulling the trigger on one until news of the Essential phone really started to break recently.
These days I don't really root/mod my phones so that isn't much of a concern. And after experiencing the bezel-less life of the S8, it would be tough for me to go back to something with 2015/2016 size bezels. This is why the Essential phone really has my attention, at the moment. However, I will admit that at least OnePlus makes good use of the large bottom bezel with the capacitive keys and finger print scanner. Not to mention that it costs over $150 less than the Essential Phone.
Personally, I'm having a really tough time deciding between the two. At east I've ruled out all other options, at this point.
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The 8ngig of ram is nice. I have oneplus 5 8 gig ram version. I am looking g at the essential phone BC it looks so great.

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The 8ngig of ram is nice. I have oneplus 5 8 gig ram version. I am looking g at the essential phone BC it looks so great.
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While I'm not usually one to harp solely on specs, the Essential phone coming out with just 4GB of RAM is a head scratcher. Apps and OS features are taking up more and more resources these days and we are hitting a point where 4GB RAM just isn't cutting it anymore. Which is why I'm also surprised that the 2nd generation of Pixel phones are rumored to only have 4GB of RAM, as well.
I should say that the use of an LCD display on the Essential Phone is a bit baffling, also. It's 2017, OLED screens are the new standard. I'd understand if they stuck with LCD to cut costs and make the phone cheaper. But it still starts at $700, so that logic doesn't seem to hold. And to top off the negatives on the Essential Phone, all the current video reviews are very "meh" about the camera performance. All of this has me realizing that I'd only be getting the Essential Phone for the bezel-less design. Hm....

sn0warmy said:
While I'm not usually one to harp solely on specs, the Essential phone coming out with just 4GB of RAM is a head scratcher. Apps and OS features are taking up more and more resources these days and we are hitting a point where 4GB RAM just isn't cutting it anymore. Which is why I'm also surprised that the 2nd generation of Pixel phones are rumored to only have 4GB of RAM, as well.
I should say that the use of an LCD display on the Essential Phone is a bit baffling, also. It's 2017, OLED screens are the new standard. I'd understand if they stuck with LCD to cut costs and make the phone cheaper. But it still starts at $700, so that logic doesn't seem to hold. And to top off the negatives on the Essential Phone, all the current video reviews are very "meh" about the camera performance. All of this has me realizing that I'd only be getting the Essential Phone for the bezel-less design. Hm....
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I would honestly wait until the Essential is released for general public. Those "reviews" are more like previews at the moment. So, if you're not in a hurry, wait a lil bit longer.
I heard the new Nokia 8 also runs stock android and it starts at 600€ so it may also be an option.
I am honestly satisfied with the OnePlus 5. But this is very subjective since I'm coming from a Galaxy S4 and the OnePlus 5 is a huge update.

Difference is $460 phone vs $700 phone. End of discussion.

Too many gimmicks on that device. Its a 300 dollar phone at a 900 dollar price tag. I dont see the point in accepting this newcomer. Gotta figure Rubin "left" for a reason. I doubt this thing will catch on. If Huawei cant in the us i doubt this thing can worldwide

If Essential provide sources and keep it quick it could be the phone to go for regardless of the price, After owning a OP3 for a year the software and sources have been hit and miss.. closest we'll get to a Nexus atm but Essential could be the new nexus since they provide the same support as Google on the software side, OP however it could be abandoned any time.. Let's hope Essential hit it right

Regrets? Overrated?

So, i'm a noob to 1+ devices having got my 6T last November and it being my first 1+ device ever. Overall, I really like the device and it's definitely one of the best I've owned. I just don't feel it has lived up to all the hype. I have two lines and still use my Pixel 2XL and lately I'm finding myself liking my P2XL more than my 6T. Believe it or not I feel like my P2XL is faster and more fluid. Anyone else feel similar? I'm not trying to bash the 6T I'm just curious if anyone else feels like me.

Make sure you're on the latest firmware (9.0.11). The 6T OWNS the Pixel 3, let alone the 2, in just about every area except the camera, which gets better with every update. Give it a real chance, you wont be disappointed.

No regrets here. Absolutely love the 6T. My favorite device I've owned and I've owned plenty.

A little regret because I can benefit from its top specs at all. It doesn't support volte or vowifi in Canada.
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imucarmen said:
So, i'm a noob to 1+ devices having got my 6T last November and it being my first 1+ device ever. Overall, I really like the device and it's definitely one of the best I've owned. I just don't feel it has lived up to all the hype. I have two lines and still use my Pixel 2XL and lately I'm finding myself liking my P2XL more than my 6T. Believe it or not I feel like my P2XL is faster and more fluid. Anyone else feel similar? I'm not trying to bash the 6T I'm just curious if anyone else feels like me.
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I am kind of in similar situation.. I have Pixel 2 XL and bought OnePlus 6T.. Though 6T is faster, I feel my 2 XL is smoother and has better experience overall.. and man 6T kills my apps even after disabling all battery optimizations... I even miss voice calls and WhatsApp calls sometimes... Thinking of returning 6T

I had a P2XL previously and moved to a 6T in November. Unless things have improved lately, I found the 6T to be smoother for me. As stated by others, the only area I think the P2XL was better was in the camera, though I have been quite impressed by the pictures taken on the 6T for its price, especially with recent updates. I know we have the GCam port, but think it's still quite buggy. I would be very happy if somehow the HDR+ algorithm was integrated into the stock camera, though highly unlikely. No regrets here.

The obly regret is camera and camera app. The xamera app is so bad, no video recording options

Overrated imo, Price is too high now for what we get their is better value to be had elsewhere, Mi Mix 3 for example in UK it's the same price, Better Camera sensors/software, Better Display and wireless charging etc. OP3 was awesome for it's low price but OP6T doesn't live up to that, OnePlus hype is over for me probably my last OnePlus device.

liam_davenport said:
Overrated imo, Price is too high now for what we get their is better value to be had elsewhere, Mi Mix 3 for example in UK it's the same price, Better Camera sensors/software, Better Display and wireless charging etc. OP3 was awesome for it's low price but OP6T doesn't live up to that, OnePlus hype is over for me probably my last OnePlus device.
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Well said. The development for Xiaomi devices has been very good, I think that is what I will try next.

No regrets here either, have owned a lot of phones in the past and this one of the best if not the best. Miss wireless charging but the beast battery last forever.

Only had the 6T for a little over a month. Had the OnePlus one, but did not like it. Too many glitches.
They've improved a bunch. For the price, in my opinion, good bang for the buck!
I've owned a LOT of phones over the years. OP6T ranks right up there as far as I'm concerned.

Regrets? Most phones with this hardware are around 1000 euro. Almost every phone factory gets very greedy.

Well the fact that I got this phone for $280 bucks by trading in my s7 edge, I would say is the best deal for any phone I've ever had except for the HTC amaze which I got for free from staples 5 years ago. I would not have paid 580 as I have a brand new note 8 so it was just a back up. It's my 1st and I think it's nice, better then most at this price point.

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Regrets? Most phones with this hardware are around 1000 euro. Almost every phone factory gets very greedy.
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Don't forget OnePlus is a budget phone with flagship SoC, Storage/RAM only rest of the phone is just cut corners to keep the cost low.

Do you tend to own phones for more than two years? If not, you'll see the overall value and abilities OnePlus devices tend to offer over other devices in the fragmentation department. My OnePlus 3 was still going very strong and I only updated because I was a sucker for the 6T. But truthfully, I never had an issue with my 3 slowing down or developing faults. I can't say the same for any LG, Samsung, or Motorola devices I've owned. OnePlus failure rates are some of the lowest in the industry, and it's evident as to why if you see videos of their manufacturing process on YouTube (Linus Tech Tips and Unbox Therapy I believe).
Sure, other devices may have explosive features that OnePlus may not always include. But at what cost? For the price, stability, support and power that you get with a OnePlus is unmatched. The 3 is STILL getting updates and works great. But if you're someone who updates regularly, I can see why maybe you'd feel like you're missing out.

g_oral said:
The obly regret is camera and camera app. The xamera app is so bad, no video recording options
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You know, I thought the same thing but if you take the time to figure out the software its really not that bad at all. Coming from a Pixel 2 XL, I am content with these photos but it seriously took me some time to get used to the camera. Work on your focus, leave HDR on auto; you will be good.
No regrets here.

kidruk said:
You know, I thought the same thing but if you take the time to figure out the software its really not that bad at all. Coming from a Pixel 2 XL, I am content with these photos but it seriously took me some time to get used to the camera. Work on your focus, leave HDR on auto; you will be good.
No regrets here.
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I just cant stand those oil painting finish photos. Its app problem because on gcam photos looks much better, more details and no oil paint effect.
And i cannot use the stock camera app for movies. There are no settings or options. No focus lenght, no white ballance, no controls for manual control.

Well, if anyone cares I can say that the 6t has been the most awful phone I have ever owned. I literally now own a $700 brick. And OnePlus the company should be ashamed of themselves. I am fighting to get this phone running. And customer support has gone 100% silent on me. My last call, I got the perpetu-hold by the agent and I hung up after about 30 minutes of waiting for her to "consult a coworker". It's been so bad that I am trying to social shame them. I have a youtube post titled "Why my OnePlus 6T sucks and OnePlus Support is awful". I would link it, but I'm too new on the forum.
It's why I'm now on this forum trying anything I can to get this phone working.

TheGorf said:
Well, if anyone cares I can say that the 6t has been the most awful phone I have ever owned. I literally now own a $700 brick. And OnePlus the company should be ashamed of themselves. I am fighting to get this phone running. And customer support has gone 100% silent on me. My last call, I got the perpetu-hold by the agent and I hung up after about 30 minutes of waiting for her to "consult a coworker". It's been so bad that I am trying to social shame them. I have a youtube post titled "Why my OnePlus 6T sucks and OnePlus Support is awful". I would link it, but I'm too new on the forum.
It's why I'm now on this forum trying anything I can to get this phone working.
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Well... Why did it stop working?

I have shifted from my iPhone 6s to Oneplus 6t. The main reason for the shift to Oneplus specifically in Andorid is the gestures it offers - switching apps, closing apps etc
After 1 month of usage, I believe Oneplus is the phone, if you want to get things done. Its fast, its battery is amazing. The reason why some people get annoyed is because its just too fast and for this reason it doesn't seem fluid. But trust me, using the iphone for years, I did enjoy the fluidic experience, however, I don't like it anymore and prefer speed, performance and battery life and Oneplus delivers on all these aspects. The teardrop notch and in screen fingerprint make the experience even better

6T vs Samsung A50

I know the 6T is a fairly premium device with great features,decent battery,great SW etc,but it has some
Down sides
right now Samsung has released a new mid ranger with added benefits over the 6T minus the CPU and build,and few other things
Ip68 rating
Micro SD
Always on Display notifications
4000 mah battery
One UI SW similar to oxygenOS
2 Android version updates
Quarterly security
Is it crazy to want to swap my 6T for one of these.
Im really attracted to the features OnePlus don't have.The One UI software looks great,don't see how I'd be losing anything in Software at least

Ip68 rating: the last time i dropped my ohone in the water was 3 years ago.
Micro SD: move on.
Always on Display notifications: magisk
4000 mah battery: not a deal breaker.
One UI SW similar to oxygenOS: 50/50
2 Android version updates: oneplus does a better job.
Quarterly security
Found no reason to put in to the comparison

Ip rating to me just words. Im not gonna take my phone in the toilet or shower. SD card, if you getting 256gb version of OnePlus you won't need a sd card lol.
3700 battery can last me at least one day, if not charging is omg fast. Before I went to shower phone was at 28 percent come out of my shower(around 20 mins) phone and s at 85 percent.
OnePlus does update pretty quickly at least faster than Samsung?
I hope you get my point by now.
Good luck for choosing one of the device you asked for.
PM: I don't work for OnePlus I just give you for what I thought.

manus31 said:
Is it crazy to want to swap my 6T for one of these.
Im really attracted to the features OnePlus don't have.The One UI software looks great,don't see how I'd be losing anything in Software at least
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In a single sentence.
Yes, you are crazy to even think of swapping a 6T for any mid level device.
You are crazy for swapping a 6T for any Samsung device.

tech_head said:
In a single sentence.
Yes, you are crazy to even think of swapping a 6T for any mid level device.
You are crazy for swapping a 6T for any Samsung device.
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Better get my head checked then ,
Thanks

tech_head said:
In a single sentence.
Yes, you are crazy to even think of swapping a 6T for any mid level device.
You are crazy for swapping a 6T for any Samsung device.
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I think that's one point of view definitely and I would agree with you 50% but you can't argue that other company's, Xiaomi,now even Samsung are offering a lot more or equal at less of a price
Having used OnePlus since the release of the 3,I'm worried OnePlus is gone off track with there ever rising prices sometimes bad decisions
The in screen fingerprint for example shouldn't of been in the 6T,why take away the LED also.
Hope the 7 is gonna have the newer faster in screen fingerprint sensor,led and a more appealing price

This is crazy.

manus31 said:
I know the 6T is a fairly premium device with great features,decent battery,great SW etc,but it has some
Down sides
right now Samsung has released a new mid ranger with added benefits over the 6T minus the CPU and build,and few other things
Ip68 rating
Micro SD
Always on Display notifications
4000 mah battery
One UI SW similar to oxygenOS
2 Android version updates
Quarterly security
Is it crazy to want to swap my 6T for one of these.
Im really attracted to the features OnePlus don't have.The One UI software looks great,don't see how I'd be losing anything in Software at least
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LOL
Seems to me like a bad April fools joke!
:silly:

manus31 said:
I think that's one point of view definitely and I would agree with you 50% but you can't argue that other company's, Xiaomi,now even Samsung are offering a lot more or equal at less of a price
Having used OnePlus since the release of the 3,I'm worried OnePlus is gone off track with there ever rising prices sometimes bad decisions
The in screen fingerprint for example shouldn't of been in the 6T,why take away the LED also.
Hope the 7 is gonna have the newer faster in screen fingerprint sensor,led and a more appealing price
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What is Samsung offering with a SD45 at equal or less?
Now would be the SD55, but you get my point.
The FP sensor under screen isn't any worse than Samsung. I've seen the complaints about the S10.
The rising prices reflect the additional cost of components and R&D. They are still offer flagship like phones for less than Google, Samsung, LG, etc.

I give A50 a year (and I am generous) before lags will drive users crazy because your device will be slower after every single samsung update... If you want lags, locked bootloader and lack of any basic stuff you are used to while using ubl phones with a not-so-good-looking sugary coat samsung provides to amaze the users for almost the same price, go for it.
My personal problem, OneUI looks good on certain images, but I found it ridiculous on a phone in my hand. I just don't like that launcher, that icon shape, that colors, that bar on the bottom even if they made it thin, I am so into the real gesture navigation that I see all the other options just not good enough.
I am a customization freak, I tried every single customization option on the market since I use android phones, and guess what I use on Oneplus: stock launcher, stock round icons.

From my experience Sammy latts laggy after some period of time and I've had a good number of them: Note 2, 3,5; S4, 7,8. Its unknown how One UI will behave in a long run.
OnePlus provides better software experience and
can be easy unlocked and tweaked to your liking. Samsung won't give you that option.

Don't get my wrong, Samsung has definitely stepped up their game in recent years. But their failure rates are certainly higher than any other manufacturer in terms of long-term support, and OnePlus' track record stands for itself when it comes to dependability. I know not everyone thinks that, but the numbers don't lie. This isn't including the fact that OnePlus is a huge supporter of third party development vs other brands that spend millions on ensuring you can't break their software restrictions if you ever decide to pull that trigger and make your own choice (with the exception of the source of the fingerprint scanner for the 6T... But then again, no product is perfect). Like I said, Samsung has gotten better, and it probably won't be a bad purchase overall vs purchasing Samsung 2 years ago. But OnePlus is a brand that's pushing barriers that other brands have been reluctant or even outright hostile to go towards themselves.
The choice is ultimately up to you and people who get downright rude or hostile about switching need to chill. But I personally would say to consider the trade offs of the long-term functionality of your device before switching. If you're someone who doesn't use a device past a year: sure you can get a pretty good deal, I'm sure. But if you want longevity, I'd say OnePlus is your best bet, especially if you're trying to stay cost-efficient with your devices.

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Don't get my wrong, Samsung has definitely stepped up their game in recent years. But their failure rates are certainly higher than any other manufacturer in terms of long-term support, and OnePlus' track record stands for itself when it comes to dependability. I know not everyone thinks that, but the numbers don't lie. This isn't including the fact that OnePlus is a huge supporter of third party development vs other brands that spend millions on ensuring you can't break their software restrictions if you ever decide to pull that trigger and make your own choice (with the exception of the source of the fingerprint scanner for the 6T... But then again, no product is perfect). Like I said, Samsung has gotten better, and it probably won't be a bad purchase overall vs purchasing Samsung 2 years ago. But OnePlus is a brand that's pushing barriers that other brands have been reluctant or even outright hostile to go towards themselves.
The choice is ultimately up to you and people who get downright rude or hostile about switching need to chill. But I personally would say to consider the trade offs of the long-term functionality of your device before switching. If you're someone who doesn't use a device past a year: sure you can get a pretty good deal, I'm sure. But if you want longevity, I'd say OnePlus is your best bet, especially if you're trying to stay cost-efficient with your devices.
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Yes I understand what you are saying. Oneplus does have a good track record but lately they have slacked IMO.Updates now consist of meaningless OnePlus app updates with no new features.Back with the OnePlus 3 the updates would be featureful with plenty of fixes, optimisations etc.Now OnePlus is not a budget device and people generally buy the phones for software and there has been nothing to get excited about with the 6T at all in the betas offered so far
Now the a50 is half the price and addresses certain problems that the 6T has such as AOD for notifications and has additional hardware features,better display,bigger battery and I'm pretty sure Samsung will offer 2 Android versions no problem, not as Quick as Oneplus,but I still think it's an appealing alternative. And OnePlus has also slowed down with the stable releases

What was I thinking.just bordem I think. Will wait for the op7 and see if it's worth an upgrade. Might just stick with the 6T till next year wen I typically change phones every 2 years.
I now submit that the 6T is a far superior device than the a50,got a look at it and it's made of plastic or glass tic as they call it, I like the software though of One UI and OnePlus needs to add some new features to keep me happy,maybe this will happen with the 7,they will need to address the led situation though and gv us AOD in oxygen OS

Mid range vs high range? U kidding? Lol
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ivanov13 said:
From my experience Sammy latts laggy after some period of time and I've had a good number of them: Note 2, 3,5; S4, 7,8. Its unknown how One UI will behave in a long run.
OnePlus provides better software experience and
can be easy unlocked and tweaked to your liking. Samsung won't give you that option.
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And that's why I switched to the OnePlus 6T because Samsung devices are just boring. Overly priced we can't do nothing with them equals boredom.
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