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Samsung services and bloat

So i have a few questions for you previous Samsung owners out there. Primarily S6 owners.
Guess we all know these handsets comes weighted down in bloat and services nobody ever use.
Got a little worried when i read this: http://www.xda-developers.com/this-is-touchwiz-lag-and-it-better-not-show-its-face-in-the-s7/
initial boot my T-Mobile Note5 is running around 100 processes. For comparisons sake, my Nexus 6P has around 40 running processes on boot.
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How far did you guys get with root and xposed? How much bloat and services are you able to remove/disable? And most importantly, does it have a positiv effect on the handsets performance?

I can't speak for most as I wasn't really Into modifying my s6 edge plus. But the reason for that was it was the most smooth galaxy I ever had. So smooth I never used the close all apps button. Would reset it maybe once a month. Before that I used to play with roms like a flashaholic. I've owned every samsung galaxy device back since the epic and they all needed tweaking til I had the edge plus. I am a very multitasking heavy user btw.
Later down the line I did root though. Simply for adblock and to block youtube video ads via xposed. No bloat removal. Since u can disable most eyesore bloat already without root. (Tmobile user btw. Hear Verizon has the bad end of the stick on bloat)

Shoulon said:
I can't speak for most as I wasn't really Into modifying my s6 edge plus. But the reason for that was it was the most smooth galaxy I ever had. So smooth I never used the close all apps button. Would reset it maybe once a month. Before that I used to play with roms like a flashaholic. I've owned every samsung galaxy device back since the epic and they all needed tweaking til I had the edge plus. I am a very multitasking heavy user btw.
Later down the line I did root though. Simply for adblock and to block youtube video ads via xposed. No bloat removal. Since u can disable most eyesore bloat already without root. (Tmobile user btw. Hear Verizon has the bad end of the stick on bloat)
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Helpful, thanks! So you never felt the services and bloat apps stole resources you could put to use elsewhere, as the phone comes with enough resources to handle anything you throw at it?
Owned a LG G2 and G3, and remember getting very annoyed by apps and services running that i never used.

Yep, 4gb of ram is a lot. Aside the powerful cpu, the 4gbs really is what makes a difference imo
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kimern said:
So i have a few questions for you previous Samsung owners out there. Primarily S6 owners.
Guess we all know these handsets comes weighted down in bloat and services nobody ever use.
Got a little worried when i read this: http://www.xda-developers.com/this-is-touchwiz-lag-and-it-better-not-show-its-face-in-the-s7/
How far did you guys get with root and xposed? How much bloat and services are you able to remove/disable? And most importantly, does it have a positiv effect on the handsets performance?
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I have the Note 5 and the Nexus 6p - from a performance basis - anecdotally - I can't tell much difference between the two - they are both super fast - tons of memory - and so on.
Benchmarks (for what they are worth) I get slightly better results on Antutu with the Nexus than I do with the Note 5 - but they both do exceptionally well -86.000 to 90,000.
I am running a heavily modded TW rom on the Note 5 and CM 13 on the nexus.
Both are rooted - both running xposed - Samsung Bloat has been removed by the Rom Createtor - TEKXodus HYBRID but there are obviously more things in the Note 5 *(Samsung things) than Google put into the Nexus 6p
I don't know if that answers your questions or not - I am not a developer so I can't give you a big technical breakdown on the comparisons - just my anecdotal experiences... hope it helps.
By the way - I CAN'T WAIT for the S7 Edge - really excited about this one - bloat and all! LOL In my view, NO ONE makes smartphones as good as Samsung!

I read somewhere that Samsung was aware of bloat and lessening bloat on the S7 lineup. Obviously we won't know until they arrive to our doors.

I have a Note 5 and will be moving the the S7 Edge. I have not rooted the Note 5 as I wanted Android Pay to work. However I did but the app Package Disabler Pro (Samsung) for $1.95 and you have full control to disable any apps without rooting the phone. I had moved from the N6 to the Note 5 when we switched to T-Mobile a few months ago and the Note 5 is the smoothest phone I have ever had. Plus after setting up I have never had to charge the battery mid-day, averaging over 18 hours with 4 hours screen time and 25% still remaining. I have jump on demand so I wanted to get the newest thing. Can't wait to see what the S7 Edge can do.

Package Disabler Pro without root ftw! It really does boost battery life and reduction of lag, big time. Just need to figure out what not to disable (when using "disable all bloatware") to be able to use Samsung Pay. *also untick mms cause that will prevent mms from sending/receiving.

Here is a link to the Note 5 where there is an XML file that can be loaded for Package Disabler Pro. I used this on my Note 5 as a starting point and removed a few of the items that I wanted to still be able to use. I am planning to use my current setting on my S7 Edge when I get it in a day or two.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/tmo...te-5-ultimate-performance-guide-root-t3246832

I'm using PDP and now when I back completely out of an app using the back button, I get a "all apps associated with this action have been turned off blocked or are not installed" message. I've read that this will happen with disabled apps. Can someone tell me what I disabled that would affect the back button? It doesn't matter what app I use, I get the message.
***EDIT*** Luckily when I started enabling one by one, I didn't have to go too far to find it is the Briefing package- flipboard.boxer.app * Just in case someone else has this issue.

Anyone that receive their Smartphone here tell us if it came with Facebook preinstalled with no option to uninstall?

desiregeek said:
Anyone that receive their Smartphone here tell us if it came with Facebook preinstalled with no option to uninstall?
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You can't uninstall, but you can disable. Would love to uninstall and buy back the space, but at least disabled, it does not use cycles or battery.

desiregeek said:
Anyone that receive their Smartphone here tell us if it came with Facebook preinstalled with no option to uninstall?
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On VZW Facebook did not come pre-installed

desiregeek said:
Anyone that receive their Smartphone here tell us if it came with Facebook preinstalled with no option to uninstall?
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ATT phone has Facebook installed as well as Facebook system app which needs to be enabled for Gear vr to work.

viking2.0 said:
ATT phone has Facebook installed as well as Facebook system app which needs to be enabled for Gear vr to work.
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Facebook makes them install app with no uninstall option. Even though it is disabled it manages to get your contacts and email accounts along with pictures. The disable part is useless.

Not being able to unintall Facebook is pretty bad. It should not come preinstalled to begin with. I do my Facebooking with a browser on the phone. No way I'll let the app lose.

A Month Without Root - My Story

Approximately one month ago, I sent my phone in to Sony for repair service. The top speaker was not functioning properly. They fixed the speaker, but also updated my phone to Lollipop which caused me to lose root access. I've been rooting my phones since I first discovered it in 2010. I originally planned to immediately re-root my phone, but remembered that I can finally have access to Android Pay by keeping the device as-is. So, I decided to keep the phone without root and here's what I've discovered a month later:
The first week was the hardest - I forgot just how many of the tweaks I use required root access. This week was a rude awakening for me as I searched endlessly for alternative non-root methods to tweak my device. But almost every search resulted in either no results, or methods that simply didn't work. The toughest part was being re-introduced to that annoying Mobile Radio Active bug the still plagues Lollipop builds and not being able to fix it using the well-known root method.
After going through the 5 stages of grief, I finally accepted that there was only so much I could do with my device without root access and became at piece with my new root-less lifestyle. I noticed that my device felt just a bit more responsive without 30 Xposed modules installed. It was also somewhat freeing to know that I didn't have to keep trolling the xda forums every day to see if there was a new mod that someone developed that I could try. I've also been introduced to a number of apps in the Play Store that I otherwise would have overlooked. Since I can't tweak any of the system files of my phone, I have compensated by downloading new launchers, icon packs, and widgets to help satisfy my cravings to tweak.
Now that a month has passed, I think I'm willing to continue without root a little while longer. I do miss my xloud speaker mod, my camera mod, my system UI mods, and my brighter flashlight mod. But I've managed to survive just fine without them so far. Unfortunately though, the main reason for not rooting my device this time around (Android Pay) is the one feature I haven't used once since I got my phone repaired! The only times I really spend money is either at the local grocery store (they only accept physical cards), or at the gas pump (same thing). I don't frequent places such as walgreens, mcdonalds, or Panera Bread enough to take advantage of Android Pay as much as I originally hoped. It kinda sucks to finally have access to such an easy way to pay (chip cards SUCK) and not actually use it. lol
So there you have it, my story of being without root. Could you do it? Have you tried it?

PuffDaddy_d said:
Approximately one month ago, I sent my phone in to Sony for repair service. The top speaker was not functioning properly. They fixed the speaker, but also updated my phone to Lollipop which caused me to lose root access. I've been rooting my phones since I first discovered it in 2010. I originally planned to immediately re-root my phone, but remembered that I can finally have access to Android Pay by keeping the device as-is. So, I decided to keep the phone without root and here's what I've discovered a month later:
The first week was the hardest - I forgot just how many of the tweaks I use required root access. This week was a rude awakening for me as I searched endlessly for alternative non-root methods to tweak my device. But almost every search resulted in either no results, or methods that simply didn't work. The toughest part was being re-introduced to that annoying Mobile Radio Active bug the still plagues Lollipop builds and not being able to fix it using the well-known root method.
After going through the 5 stages of grief, I finally accepted that there was only so much I could do with my device without root access and became at piece with my new root-less lifestyle. I noticed that my device felt just a bit more responsive without 30 Xposed modules installed. It was also somewhat freeing to know that I didn't have to keep trolling the xda forums every day to see if there was a new mod that someone developed that I could try. I've also been introduced to a number of apps in the Play Store that I otherwise would have overlooked. Since I can't tweak any of the system files of my phone, I have compensated by downloading new launchers, icon packs, and widgets to help satisfy my cravings to tweak.
Now that a month has passed, I think I'm willing to continue without root a little while longer. I do miss my xloud speaker mod, my camera mod, my system UI mods, and my brighter flashlight mod. But I've managed to survive just fine without them so far. Unfortunately though, the main reason for not rooting my device this time around (Android Pay) is the one feature I haven't used once since I got my phone repaired! The only times I really spend money is either at the local grocery store (they only accept physical cards), or at the gas pump (same thing). I don't frequent places such as walgreens, mcdonalds, or Panera Bread enough to take advantage of Android Pay as much as I originally hoped. It kinda sucks to finally have access to such an easy way to pay (chip cards SUCK) and not actually use it. lol
So there you have it, my story of being without root. Could you do it? Have you tried it?
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Did you allready sign up with the AR?
I for myself could not life without root, cause all the bloating stuff would made me crazy. I want my rom as small as possible. Once I've found a very good and stable Rom I just went cold turkey from XDA, and coming only back when there's a major update. Then the whole process of finding the best rom (install, reflash, bootloops, flashing, bootloops, flashing etc begins again. But when there is the final small rom working like a charm I dissapear again...
I love Sony's design, but thinking of getting me a Nexus when I'm upgrading for a new phone next year. Allways first new updates, little bloatweare and easy to root etc.

I can't imagine my Z3C without root, stock UI and everything is so simple without the Xposed mods and all the other tweaks

Been running without root since I joined the original concept and the only thing I miss is the ability to add reboot and use titanium backup
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this is my first smarthphone that I dont root. Before I had a Xperia S and a Xperia T2 Ultra. My Z3C has been running really good, so I dont feel the need to root it

Juampo-CHILE said:
this is my first smarthphone that I dont root. Before I had a Xperia S and a Xperia T2 Ultra. My Z3C has been running really good, so I dont feel the need to root it
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Same here, I had Galaxy S II and Nexus 4 before Z3c. I had to root both phones and play with custom kernels to get better battery life and fix problems that manufacturers didn't. Z3c just works.

I can't use my phones without root because of one reason: skip music tracks with volume buttons. This is the most important module functionality for me.

Adaway is the only reason I root

The Transporter said:
Adaway is the only reason I root
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In app adds don't bother me that much. They're usually just a small, unobtrusive banner at the bottom of the screen. However, browser based add (especially on mobile sites) are the worst! They make the webpage take 2-3 times as long to load and sometimes, the adds consume the entire screen. Fortunately, AdBlock browser has been a great non-root solution for me.

Guys, try NoChromo browser, it removes all ads from the web pages. You can get it here on XDA: http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-nochromo-wild-browser-appears-t3130776
It is just like normal Chrome browser but without annoying ads.

I've used my phone without root since Marshmallow Concept, then updated to official Marshmallow and the only thing I missed from rooting was Adaway and Xposed with GravityBox (to modify the timeout of annoying heads up notifications).
I was only waiting for a custom MM rom to appear for Z3C, that's why I remained totally stock, now I'm happy with SliMM

This is extremely subjective. I can't live without root, it would consume me little by little from the inside. Not being fully satisfied by the experience provided by my phone would definitely sadden me day by day until the point I would get a different one. It's very known that most human minds do have a tendency to accept the unacceptable after a while though. Personally Android Pay is not a feature I would exchange for 30 other features/customizations offered by root access.
bottomline: I'm not a tiny bit eager to go back to an experience without root access simply because it is too good to be taken away from me.

The Transporter said:
Adaway is the only reason I root
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Couldn't have said it better myself. Using the hosts file to block ads is so effective and clean.

I think xposed doesnt ruin battery life at all. Btw, the reason i root is Titanium and adaway.. i often change my phone, so Titanium is a lifesaver!

I was on the Concept program and lived without root for some months, the first time in many years I had done so.
However now that official MM is out and is rootable, I've ditched concept and made my own pre-rooted version of MM. The ability to tweak system processes and remove bloatware/unwanted system apps is a must for me!

I was without root during Marshmallow Concept (4 months about), with benefit to get monthly updates...
Since I came back to beta I decided to root again for the following reasons:
- Adaway application first !!!!
- Never lose data with full backups of applications
- Viper4Android sound mod

***Update***
Well, it's been approximately 3 months since I've opted NOT to root my device and I must say that I'm starting to crave that rooted goodness once again. Here's what I miss most:
- Increased speaker volume
- Increased flashlight brightness
- Hardware shortcut to turn on flashlight
- General system UI tweaks
But, I'm trying to stay strong and stay stock as long as possible. Despite the rare usage of Android Pay, I do enjoy how much safer it is vs swiping a physical card, and its a heck of a lot faster than inserting those stupid chip cards. WIsh me luck.

I buy z3c yesterday i came from Nexus 5 . My z3c 5803 has mm official . A guide update to all in One root recovery ?
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You can increase the flash brightness? Is that even possible? How?

Lazer72 said:
You can increase the flash brightness? Is that even possible? How?
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The device has to be rooted and you simply edit the build.prop files. There is a thread in the cross-device development section that walks you through it.

why would I want to root this phone? and I am no noob!

Honestly guys
Give me one good reason for wanting to do this hey I cannot think of one
I have owned a lot of phones previously first of all
The souled best I have owned a Samsung Galaxy S2
Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and the only reason I had to do root those phojes
Not enough ram for multitasking purposes
Had to root so that more apps can stay in memory.
With an is as light as this....
Dont really have a need to debloat
Dont use titanium backup much
Only one reason i can think of adblocking
Thinking about it now
The reason why we had to root phones was to squeeze more performance out of them..
And my general experience is rooting though helps
It doesn't lead to an idea phone state where everything works.
Some small bugs around the edges are left which can be as annoying as you want then to be...
So anyone here who can give me better reasons for wanting to root this device

No reason IMO. I think people do it for different ROMs, Adblocker, Titanium Backup.

You don't need root if you have to ask why.

I never rooted for extra performance, I root for total control over the device I just spend a lot of money on. And I like to theme stuff deep into the system.

invinciblecc said:
Honestly guys
Give me one good reason for wanting to do this hey I cannot think of one
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Nandroid backup and titanium backup for the apps.
Privacy issues: firewalls Afwall, xprivacy, etc.
Customization: Gravitybox, etc.
Ad control: minminguard, and others.
I could go on.
Otherwise, why not just get an iPhone?
But, if you are happy, no need to root.

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No reason IMO. I think people do it for different ROMs, Adblocker, Titanium Backup.
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Seconded, I rooted to have TB and Ad block. Maybe in the future I'll mess around with a custom ROM but for now stock gives me everything I need.

invinciblecc said:
Honestly guys
Give me one good reason for wanting to do this hey I cannot think of one
I have owned a lot of phones previously first of all
The souled best I have owned a Samsung Galaxy S2
Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and the only reason I had to do root those phojes
Not enough ram for multitasking purposes
Had to root so that more apps can stay in memory.
With an is as light as this....
Dont really have a need to debloat
Dont use titanium backup much
Only one reason i can think of adblocking
Thinking about it now
The reason why we had to root phones was to squeeze more performance out of them..
And my general experience is rooting though helps
It doesn't lead to an idea phone state where everything works.
Some small bugs around the edges are left which can be as annoying as you want then to be...
So anyone here who can give me better reasons for wanting to root this device
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There are hundreds, maybe thousands of reasons to root a device. I have quite a few apps which I like, plus customizable options which only exist on custom ROMs.
However all that is meaningless, the only question you need to ask is why would you root? What Is it you need which you can't have unrooted?
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I use it for
Adaway
BetterBatteryStats
CF.lumen as I find it works way better than the built in night mode
Kernel Manager
Force Doze
Greenify
Pairs to backup and restore WiFi and Bluetooth settings
Tasker
And most significantly, TitaniumBackup!

There are plenty of reasons.
Custom kernels can bring awesome features, even better stability and amazing battery life.
Custom roms bring you all the customization you ever wanted
Custom apps like Viper4A bring awesome sound to your ears, titanium backup backups everything you ever want, Greenify gives you better battery life than you can imagine.
Truth is, you decide why you want to root.
I will admit though, I didn't think I was going to need to root the OP5, it is really good stock, but I'm glad I did root. I am able to pull >48 hours on one battery with >9 hours SOT thanks to some root apps and features.

Battery life is excellent for me as of now. M.
Maybe I will root it... But after sometime
The only reason need titanium backup is if I switch roms.. And without root I won't switch roms so no need for titanium backup...
Need to block ads though...
Maybe I'll just let a rooted stock do wonders for me...
I have seen once I change stock...switching from one rom to another becomes a temptation and then the phone rarely remains a phone.... I start feeling like a developer and keep on flashing roms...
Not on this device... I don't want to set up this device again and again with every new rom... Lets see.. Till how long can I resist!
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Depends on the user. Im not rooted but would do it to:
Use Viper4Android
Try out custom ROMs
Use mods like enableing front speaker playback for stereo sound
etc...
There are reasons, the question is do you need it.

I haven't rooted yet but I am going to.
- adblocker
- Titanium backup
- Viper4Android
- custom ROMs for customization
I had a Samsung device till recently and was using custom ROMs cause I hated how TouchWiz looks.
Now, stock OP5 might look similar to what I had but I still feel crippled.
I have to say though that the advantages of root don't make it a must have. I am using it stock cause I'm on holiday right now and could use it like this. It's definitely better than stock Samsung

I've never rooted for performance. I always root for extra customization options.
The root apps and options I'm using now are:
Substratum/ozone for middle clock and am/pm and a few other small ui tweaks.
Button backlight controller so the backlight on the buttons stay on while the screen is on. I mean by default, the LEDs are useless because they come on only after you press them. The point of the LED is to help you find them. So wtf.
Adblock, because a lot of sites can't even be viewed on mobile that have full screen ads or ads that cover content.
Stereo Speaker mod is pretty sweet. That's the main thing I miss from my Nexus 6p.
And I will definitely be switching to a rom as soon as they are stable enough. Things that OOS did right, they only kinda did right. Sure, they have a circle battery, great job. But you can't put the percent inside of it? No hold back button to kill a misbehaving app? Really?

I have to root. Don't know why, but i have to.
Actually I do it for adblocking, viper, and custom ROMs. So far, with the crazy battery life I am getting.... I am sticking with rooted, stock ROM and kernel.
And for those who don't root and still want adblocking: try fdroid with DNS66

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As been said before: my main reason for rooting is backup (TiBu) ! Its actually the only reason left that I could not replace by other means.
Other reasons are: ad blocking (but there are rootless solutions that do ok), customization (but could live without if need be) and debloating (also with TiBu plus MyAndroidTools) for improved battery life.

invinciblecc said:
Honestly guys
Give me one good reason for wanting to do this hey I cannot think of one
I have owned a lot of phones previously first of all
The souled best I have owned a Samsung Galaxy S2
Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and the only reason I had to do root those phojes
Not enough ram for multitasking purposes
Had to root so that more apps can stay in memory.
With an is as light as this....
Dont really have a need to debloat
Dont use titanium backup much
Only one reason i can think of adblocking
Thinking about it now
The reason why we had to root phones was to squeeze more performance out of them..
And my general experience is rooting though helps
It doesn't lead to an idea phone state where everything works.
Some small bugs around the edges are left which can be as annoying as you want then to be...
So anyone here who can give me better reasons for wanting to root this device
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For me, the main reason is Titanium. Just because you don't care, doesn't mean that no one does. Root can do a lot. I use greenify, have that battery monitor app, etc. All use root.

I've rooted every android device I've ever owned prior to the OP5 first and foremost because I'm a bit of a tech nerd so naturally I like tinkering with electronics. I was able to add a bunch of useful features and enhancements through exploring root. But with the OP5, only thing I see that I would need root for is a proper ad blocking solution.
Bottom line is that most devices now a days work fine for daily use out of the box but everyone has individual reasons why they root. Same justification as to why some of us modify our cars. They drive fine in stock trim, but some of us want to make it our own.

invinciblecc said:
Honestly guys
Give me one good reason for wanting to do this hey I cannot think of one
I have owned a lot of phones previously first of all
The souled best I have owned a Samsung Galaxy S2
Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and the only reason I had to do root those phojes
Not enough ram for multitasking purposes
Had to root so that more apps can stay in memory.
With an is as light as this....
Dont really have a need to debloat
Dont use titanium backup much
Only one reason i can think of adblocking
Thinking about it now
The reason why we had to root phones was to squeeze more performance out of them..
And my general experience is rooting though helps
It doesn't lead to an idea phone state where everything works.
Some small bugs around the edges are left which can be as annoying as you want then to be...
So anyone here who can give me better reasons for wanting to root this device
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Totally agreeing with you. There isn't much of a need to root the phone, but I still root mine for the hell of it. Haven't done anything yet that requires root though. Still, it's nice having the option there.

invinciblecc said:
Maybe I'll just let a rooted stock do wonders for me...
I have seen once I change stock...switching from one rom to another becomes a temptation and then the phone rarely remains a phone.... I start feeling like a developer and keep on flashing roms...
Not on this device... I don't want to set up this device again and again with every new rom... Lets see.. Till how long can I resist!
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Actually a really good point, I too often end up rooting, checking out some roms, want more customisation and all of a sudden I've flashed my device 17 times over and spent more time setting the same stuff up over and over. It's that elusive "I just need this one more tweak sh*t to make my phone perfect"....when there's no such thing as a perfect device

Root on Pixel XL - Why?

Hello fellow Pixel users!
Just wanted to take a minute and start a small discussion with you about stuff that only works with root. Maybe you feel the same.
As an Android user from day 1, I always enjoyed the general "openness" of Android compared to other mobile OSs and used to frequently try out new custom ROMs, play with all the system UI tuner options and obviously got used to having a decent adblocker.
But ever since I got a Pixel XL, I was honestly surprised by the relatively small amount of ROMs and general lack of development on XDA regarding the Pixel phones. At least compared to previous phones I owned, with the exception of the Blackberry Classic maybe...
(Obviously I don't want to discredit the folks that ARE working on these devices. You're awesome and your work is very appreciated!)
Right now, I only use root for AdAway, Nova Launcher (for turning off the screen and locking it with a double tap) and Ex Kernel Manager (even though I never used it or changed any of the settings).
So what I really want to talk about is, what do you use root for? Or why did you unlock your bootloader? Is there something I'm missing?
TL,DR: Did you root your phone or unlock the bootloader? Why?

Yes and yes.
I will always run an unlocked bootloader. It's a security safety net. If my phone bricks, I have the option to flash factory images. I can always return to stock if something goes wrong.
Root, yes, of course. Because Android.

Pain-N-Panic said:
If my phone bricks, I have the option to flash factory images. I can always return to stock if something goes wrong.
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Those are great points! You're absolutely right!
But what about apps or system tweaks? You said "Because Android" but how is your experience different from someone who didn't root?

paco8 said:
Those are great points! You're absolutely right!
But what about apps or system tweaks? You said "Because Android" but how is your experience different from someone who didn't root?
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Root privileged apps- adaway, titanium backup, modded YouTube, modded Spotify, SD Maid, Substratum and a few others.
Also, custom kernel with customized color profile for a more vibrant display.
I also enjoy themeing my own device so having root is necessary for me.
I also need to root, well, BECAUSE ANDROID

Pain-N-Panic said:
Root privileged apps- adaway, titanium backup, modded YouTube, modded Spotify, SD Maid, Substratum and a few others.
Also, custom kernel with customized color profile for a more vibrant display.
I also enjoy themeing my own device so having root is necessary for me.
I also need to root, well, BECAUSE ANDROID
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U don't need root for substratum on my 8.1 and use Andromeda add on for rootless substratum
I feel like going back to nougat and root for Xposed though...

Thanks for the suggestions!
If you ask me:
Not a fan of TB (restoring often causes problems)
or SD Maid (some cache is important and shouldn't be deleted - except for uninstalled apps),
Substratum is way too buggy for me (at least I can't seem to find a theme without bugs)
and I probably shouldn't ask about those modded apps on here, even though they sound interesting. I guess I'll have to Google that. :laugh:
After looking through Ex Kernel Manager, I can't seem to find anything that I'd want to use or fiddle with. The phone is fast enough, so no overclock. The colors are fine, so no tuning needed. And all the other stuff looks dangerous...
Where are all the awesome system UI options though? I'd love to have my clock in the center of the status bar and display battery percentage INSTEAD of the icon. I know that those are usually coded into custom ROMs but there are no 8.1 ROMs...
Oh, how I'd love to see an 8.1 DU ROM working flawlessly...
Edit: Why go back to Nougat and why use Xposed? I don't get what the big deal is about Xposed nowadays. I used it a few years ago but only because of one or two add-ons, if I recall that correctly.

I have center clock on 8.1 using a Substratum theme.
Also, you can choose to select battery percentage next to the battery icon in 8.1 battery settings.
Once source code gets released for 8.1, the SystemUI can be deodexed which will allow for 3minit battery mod to work. I believe 3minit requires root.

Reasons are getting thin aren't they. AdAway, TB, and Tasker (HBM and single tap sleep(without device admin permission thus required pin)). TB makes life easier but not a necessity. Different device wouldn't need HBM most likely. So basically it comes down to AdAway which I'm pretty sure I'd go nuts without.

TB, Tasker, lucky patcher, greenify, acr (automatic call recorder), ad away. And generally being able to mess with things.

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TB, Tasker, lucky patcher, greenify, acr (automatic call recorder), ad away. And generally being able to mess with things.
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"Generally being able to mess with things" is the most accurate response this question for those who love Android at its core.

Pain-N-Panic said:
"Generally being able to mess with things" is the most accurate response this question for those who love Android at its core.
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That's the technical term for it at least.

I'm down to one reason and I found out about it a few months back actually. Without it I probably wouldn't bother.
Assertive display - visibility outdoors in the freaking sun with sunglasses on? Heck yeah! The most annoying part is that it just takes two lines added to the build.prop file. If I could do this without root I sure as hell would.

Adaway

Thanks for all your answers!
This basically proves my point though in my opinion. Having a rooted Android device used to be such an open playground for fun stuff and now it's mostly just about adblockers and minor tweaks apart from a few apps that still take advantage of it like Tasker and TB.
At least the phones nowadays are fast as hell and have insane cameras. I just wish it would be more sci-fi-y if you know what I mean. Phones aren't just gadgets anymore, they're expensive pieces of hardware that seem to improve upon basic things that we could do for years.
Android updates used to have lots of cool new features with every new version number that was released and now they just seem to improve upon what they can already do and sometimes take features away or even lock them to specific phones (looking at the guy who thought it was a great idea to make stuff like "motion pictures" a feature only on Pixel 2 devices even though our device had the feature available for a day).
Guess I'll take this opportunity to spend less time messing around with tons of options and just be thankful for what they can do now. Like playing stupid gambling-like games with ps1-graphics on a device with a quad-core and 4GB of RAM. :laugh:
Am I the only one who gets turned off by games that have reviewers saying "addictive" and "great time-killer"? This thing could play GTA 4 and tons of people rather spend a hundred bucks on candy crush...
Whatever, it's all good. I guess I just have different expectations.

paco8 said:
Thanks for all your answers!
This basically proves my point though in my opinion. Having a rooted Android device used to be such an open playground for fun stuff and now it's mostly just about adblockers and minor tweaks apart from a few apps that still take advantage of it like Tasker and TB.
At least the phones nowadays are fast as hell and have insane cameras. I just wish it would be more sci-fi-y if you know what I mean. Phones aren't just gadgets anymore, they're expensive pieces of hardware that seem to improve upon basic things that we could do for years.
Android updates used to have lots of cool new features with every new version number that was released and now they just seem to improve upon what they can already do and sometimes take features away or even lock them to specific phones (looking at the guy who thought it was a great idea to make stuff like "motion pictures" a feature only on Pixel 2 devices even though our device had the feature available for a day).
Guess I'll take this opportunity to spend less time messing around with tons of options and just be thankful for what they can do now. Like playing stupid gambling-like games with ps1-graphics on a device with a quad-core and 4GB of RAM. :laugh:
Am I the only one who gets turned off by games that have reviewers saying "addictive" and "great time-killer"? This thing could play GTA 4 and tons of people rather spend a hundred bucks on candy crush...
Whatever, it's all good. I guess I just have different expectations.
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You are right! I was also using root just for the 3 reasons you specified! Adaway is the biggest reason. There are other solutions, but nothing that reliable. And next biggest is Ex Kernel Manager to set up double tap to wake without lockscreen.
As for the motion photos, you still can get it. You need to download that version of Google Camera APK and disable updates. I am using it and it looks good. But it works only in Google Photos App. So not that useful as well!

DaSmith87 said:
I'm down to one reason and I found out about it a few months back actually. Without it I probably wouldn't bother.
Assertive display - visibility outdoors in the freaking sun with sunglasses on? Heck yeah! The most annoying part is that it just takes two lines added to the build.prop file. If I could do this without root I sure as hell would.
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My quick reasons for bootloader unlocking and rooting mirror many of the others here:
1) Ability to flash factory images in a recovery situation.
2) Titanium Backup - although I haven't had to actually use this to recover anything other than a specific app or 2 in the past few years.
3) Adaway
4) Ability to modify build.prop to leverage native hotspot/tethering (Verizon GUDP)
I am interested in learning more about Assertive Display and the differences between it and Adaptive Brightness. My understanding is that Assertive Display works separately from Adaptive Brightness and actually adjusts the tone/color/contrast of individual display pixels to optimize viewing in bright sunlight. Theoretically, this allows you to turn down screen brightness to achieve better viewing/contrast in bright conditions. Can you provide the link to directions you used to enable Assertive Display? Also - does it play well with Adaptive Brightness - or do you need to manually tweak screen brightness to account for Assertive Display?
Thanks!

sb1893 said:
My quick reasons for bootloader unlocking and rooting mirror many of the others here:
1) Ability to flash factory images in a recovery situation.
2) Titanium Backup - although I haven't had to actually use this to recover anything other than a specific app or 2 in the past few years.
3) Adaway
4) Ability to modify build.prop to leverage native hotspot/tethering (Verizon GUDP)
I am interested in learning more about Assertive Display and the differences between it and Adaptive Brightness. My understanding is that Assertive Display works separately from Adaptive Brightness and actually adjusts the tone/color/contrast of individual display pixels to optimize viewing in bright sunlight. Theoretically, this allows you to turn down screen brightness to achieve better viewing/contrast in bright conditions. Can you provide the link to directions you used to enable Assertive Display? Also - does it play well with Adaptive Brightness - or do you need to manually tweak screen brightness to account for Assertive Display?
Thanks!
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When I first enabled this I left my brightness at the same 50% level with the auto brightness left on. It works really well in conjunction with the normal brightness level settings. Maybe turning the brightness down could yeild better battery results but I was never one to complain by the Pixel XL's battery life.
This video from Android Authority here explains it well. I actually randomly got to the video at around midnight on YouTube a few months back. Phone wasn't rooted so I did root it in the middle of the night and followed this topic from the XDA forums to change the build.prop file. Applied the changes, rebooted phone and... Realized I have no real way to test it. Went to my kitchen's aspirator and switched the lights on, brought the phone under there super close at a very steep angle and I could still see it perfectly fine.
TL;DR - this is a great addition to the already standard brightness levels, works like magic, and hey, you can always revert if you end up not liking it.

DaSmith87 said:
When I first enabled this I left my brightness at the same 50% level with the auto brightness left on. It works really well in conjunction with the normal brightness level settings. Maybe turning the brightness down could yeild better battery results but I was never one to complain by the Pixel XL's battery life.
This video from Android Authority here explains it well. I actually randomly got to the video at around midnight on YouTube a few months back. Phone wasn't rooted so I did root it in the middle of the night and followed this topic from the XDA forums to change the build.prop file. Applied the changes, rebooted phone and... Realized I have no real way to test it. Went to my kitchen's aspirator and switched the lights on, brought the phone under there super close at a very steep angle and I could still see it perfectly fine.
TL;DR - this is a great addition to the already standard brightness levels, works like magic, and hey, you can always revert if you end up not liking it.
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Thanks so much for the detail. I'm going to give it a whirl right now!

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Thanks so much for the detail. I'm going to give it a whirl right now!
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You're welcome! One thing I forgot to mention - don't bother with the flashable ZIP. It's more work than editing the build.prop file and it actually doesn't work on 8 and up. 7.1.2 was OK with it but I noticed it wasn't quite right on 8 when I tried to flash it even though it said it flashed with no errors.

sacthegreat said:
You are right! I was also using root just for the 3 reasons you specified! Adaway is the biggest reason. There are other solutions, but nothing that reliable. And next biggest is Ex Kernel Manager to set up double tap to wake without lockscreen.
As for the motion photos, you still can get it. You need to download that version of Google Camera APK and disable updates. I am using it and it looks good. But it works only in Google Photos App. So not that useful as well!
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Thanks! I actually did disable auto update once I had it and still have the APK. Don't know if it works after a fresh install of 8.1 though. I guess I'll try later. Google's Motion Stills as an alternative just feels weird to me.
I think it's a neat feature though. Sometimes it really helps bring a moment back to life, more than a still picture would. Especially when it's snowing or raining.
That new AR stickers thing is also funny but it needs better content IMO. Two of the packs are basically ads for the StarWars movies and Stranger Things.

After newly installed And 11, my phone froze

I downloaded the file on Tuesday and the phone has been working great. FYI, there is a wipe involved with the download. There's no warning before the fact it's during the setup.
Anyway, the phone has been great but last night, while charging, I noticed that the charging percentage and the time were not changing and the phone froze. My first freeze ever with any phone. The only thing I could think of was to hold the power button. After 4-5 , power button holds it recycled and came back.
One thing I noticed is that the phone, while charging, was warmer than usual and historically this phone doesn't get warm or hot.
Just a heads up, I may set up a chat with Oneplus just to see what they say

pbman1953 said:
I downloaded the file on Tuesday and the phone has been working great. FYI, there is a wipe involved with the download. There's no warning before the fact it's during the setup.
Anyway, the phone has been great but last night, while charging, I noticed that the charging percentage and the time were not changing and the phone froze. My first freeze ever with any phone. The only thing I could think of was to hold the power button. After 4-5 , power button holds it recycled and came back.
One thing I noticed is that the phone, while charging, was warmer than usual and historically this phone doesn't get warm or hot.
Just a heads up, I may set up a chat with Oneplus just to see what they say
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I guess you were on open beta. Its always like that if you "downgrade" from beta to stable there is a wipe involved.

Kollachi said:
I guess you were on open beta. Its always like that if you "downgrade" from beta to stable there is a wipe involved.
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I was on beta but now I'm on the final, which I downloaded Tuesday. From my chat with OP ,minutes ago, they told me to clear the cache from the power menu and report back to them if this happens again.

pbman1953 said:
I was on beta but now I'm on the final, which I downloaded Tuesday. From my chat with OP ,minutes ago, they told me to clear the cache from the power menu and report back to them if this happens again.
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Recovery then wipe system..you'll need to reset up your phone but your storage will remain intact..
May be another way but not sure.
We're you rooted? Did you disable magisk mods before hand?

dladz said:
Recovery then wipe system..you'll need to reset up your phone but your storage will remain intact..
May be another way but not sure.
We're you rooted? Did you disable magisk mods before hand?
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I'm actully not rooted. After reading the pros and cons I don't know if I need it at this point. After you leave a Verizon Samsung phone then go to a Pixel and now the 8 pro, it's pretty stripped compared.
After chatting with OP , the cache clearing so far has helped.
Thanks!

pbman1953 said:
I'm actully not rooted. After reading the pros and cons I don't know if I need it at this point. After you leave a Verizon Samsung phone then go to a Pixel and now the 8 pro, it's pretty stripped compared.
After chatting with OP , the cache clearing so far has helped.
Thanks!
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Definitely a tonne of benefits to rooting.
To name a few:
Backing up and restoring apps and their data as they are.
Proper ad blocking system wide.
Modifying the phone: centre clock, removing zram.
Magisk mods
Root apps like WiFi kill, Kali, system UI tuner
Kernels
Magisk ROMs
Full ROMs
I couldn't have an android phone without rooting. I've lived with a Huawei so I know how dull it gets.

dladz said:
Definitely a tonne of benefits to rooting.
To name a few:
Backing up and restoring apps and their data as they are.
Proper ad blocking system wide.
Modifying the phone: centre clock, removing zram.
Magisk mods
Root apps like WiFi kill, Kali, system UI tuner
Kernels
Magisk ROMs
Full ROMs
I couldn't have an android phone without rooting. I've lived with a Huawei so I know how dull it gets.
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On the routing your making me curious-
Backing up and restoring apps and their data as they are.- not sure what this does
Proper ad blocking system wide.- add blocking where, Google, Facebook etc?
Modifying the phone: centre clock, removing zram.- I'm ok with the clock, what is zram?
Magisk mods- have never used them, but back in the day when I had my Note 4 there was a cool prgram for rooting that had all kinds of mods and tools
Root apps like WiFi kill, Kali, system UI tuner- not sure how that benefits me
Kernels- not sure what they do
Magisk ROMs- I see them here talked about alot
Full ROMs- When I had my Note 4 I tried roms all the time. They were cool but there was always some kind of bugginess about them
Since my Note 4, I've been out of the rooting game.

pbman1953 said:
On the routing your making me curious-
Backing up and restoring apps and their data as they are.- not sure what this does
Proper ad blocking system wide.- add blocking where, Google, Facebook etc?
Modifying the phone: centre clock, removing zram.- I'm ok with the clock, what is zram?
Magisk mods- have never used them, but back in the day when I had my Note 4 there was a cool prgram for rooting that had all kinds of mods and tools
Root apps like WiFi kill, Kali, system UI tuner- not sure how that benefits me
Kernels- not sure what they do
Magisk ROMs- I see them here talked about alot
Full ROMs- When I had my Note 4 I tried roms all the time. They were cool but there was always some kind of bugginess about them
Since my Note 4, I've been out of the rooting game.
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Titanium can back up or remove any app as it is. If you remove let's say a game you'll lose all progress unless you have a sync feature.
The only add blocking you can have without root is using a fake VPN, it's overkill and not as efficient at removing ads. And yes ads from the whole device and all apps.
Zram ? Google it.
Magisk - yes the mod is magisk.
Not sure how they benefit you? I'm losing the will to live here, they were examples, you find what you need.
Kernels - Google it
Note 4 I had it myself, some of the absolute worst examples of ROMs on XDA.
You crack on at stock you seem happier there.
It was just a suggestion. Nvm

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Titanium can back up or remove any app as it is. If you remove let's say a game you'll lose all progress unless you have a sync feature.
The only add blocking you can have without root is using a fake VPN, it's overkill and not as efficient at removing ads. And yes ads from the whole device and all apps.
Zram ? Google it.
Magisk - yes the mod is magisk.
Not sure how they benefit you? I'm losing the will to live here, they were examples, you find what you need.
Kernels - Google it
Note 4 I had it myself, some of the absolute worst examples of ROMs on XDA.
You crack on at stock you seem happier there.
It was just a suggestion. Nvm
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Thanks for writing back. For me I'm a performance junky. I'm not a gamer just a surfer that wants a high octane machine, if possible. Does rooting do that? I remember Titanium from the past , good tool and you have to be careful is what I remember.

pbman1953 said:
Thanks for writing back. For me I'm a performance junky. I'm not a gamer just a surfer that wants a high octane machine, if possible. Does rooting do that? I remember Titanium from the past , good tool and you have to be careful is what I remember.
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Nah titanium is safe.
Does rooting help with speed, I would say so yes, I've made a phone run an emulator it had no business running..
Mainly through zram being disabled and having a kernel that allows a higher clock speed, plus the ROM I was running being as light and efficient as possible..
Stock simply cannot compare with that.
Everyone on here wants the fastest phone, the 865 in the 8 pro is the fastest processor there is..it's quicker than the Nvidia shield pro which I have, it can run things that the shield can't..
Performance isn't an issue with way, but yes being rooted opens doors that just don't exist for stock.

To play devil's advocate on the rooting thing...
I've been doing the android thing since gingerbread (good 7+ years). Back then it was an absolute MUST. These days not so much.
Most of the reasons to root back then was to add features that weren't available in Android stock ROMs at the time.
Let me give you some CONs to rooting before you jump into it...if these don't apply then have at it and have fun. It's fairly easy to do on this phone and once you have TWRP up and running you can pretty much revert any screw up and get your phone back up and running and have fun with tinkering.
1.) Do you enjoy Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, YouTube TV (TV service not YouTube app), or any other app that requires Winevine DRM encryption? OnePlus devices drop from L1 to L3 once you unlock the bootloader (requirement for root). Those apps will now all be at 480P 30FPS instead of 720p/1080p or 60 FPS. Total deal breaker for me watching sports on the road need the 60 FPS.
2.) Do you like to use GPay? It can work but it's a cat/mouse game with Google Play Services.
3.) It's fun theming with Substratum but every time there's an app update you have to hope it doesn't bork the theme. Gotta install an OTA? Disable all your modules, uninstall your themes, flash, and then re-enable. Tedious. Maybe I"m getting older but wife, kids, family stuff I don't want to be messing around with all this?
4.) Want ad-blocking? Blokada works excellent. I have an old rooted tablet (Tab S3) and it uses AdAway. Both effectively block my ads. Also I run a personal VPN at my house with PiHole so I can block that way too by connecting to my home VPN on the road.
5.) Swift Backup will backup most of your apps without root. It'll restore them without data. I've never in the 7 years of messing with Android had a perfect 1:1 restore with TWRP and Titanium Backup.. There's always little things that act up. Not a deal breaker these days missing Titanium Backup. Especially when not root and constantly mucking with the system it's usually pretty rock solid not requiring a constant TWRP/Titanium solution.
6.) Most praise Viper4Android. Great app. Stock it sounds fine for portable use. No phone DAC is going to compete with dedicated equipment so you're basically polishing a turd. There's better equipment out there to get solid audio. Phone isn't one of them.
7.) I haven't looked into rooting this phone for months so my last point is dated and I believe there is a fix but last i checked (once again a few months back haven't been on XDA for a bit) there were some serious fingerprint loss when unlocking the bootloader and then trying to relock or use MSMTool to go back to stock.

Nosferatu. said:
To play devil's advocate on the rooting thing...
I've been doing the android thing since gingerbread (good 7+ years). Back then it was an absolute MUST. These days not so much.
Most of the reasons to root back then was to add features that weren't available in Android stock ROMs at the time.
Let me give you some CONs to rooting before you jump into it...if these don't apply then have at it and have fun. It's fairly easy to do on this phone and once you have TWRP up and running you can pretty much revert any screw up and get your phone back up and running and have fun with tinkering.
1.) Do you enjoy Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, YouTube TV (TV service not YouTube app), or any other app that requires Winevine DRM encryption? OnePlus devices drop from L1 to L3 once you unlock the bootloader (requirement for root). Those apps will now all be at 480P 30FPS instead of 720p/1080p or 60 FPS. Total deal breaker for me watching sports on the road need the 60 FPS.
2.) Do you like to use GPay? It can work but it's a cat/mouse game with Google Play Services.
3.) It's fun theming with Substratum but every time there's an app update you have to hope it doesn't bork the theme. Gotta install an OTA? Disable all your modules, uninstall your themes, flash, and then re-enable. Tedious. Maybe I"m getting older but wife, kids, family stuff I don't want to be messing around with all this?
4.) Want ad-blocking? Blokada works excellent. I have an old rooted tablet (Tab S3) and it uses AdAway. Both effectively block my ads. Also I run a personal VPN at my house with PiHole so I can block that way too by connecting to my home VPN on the road.
5.) Swift Backup will backup most of your apps without root. It'll restore them without data. I've never in the 7 years of messing with Android had a perfect 1:1 restore with TWRP and Titanium Backup.. There's always little things that act up. Not a deal breaker these days missing Titanium Backup. Especially when not root and constantly mucking with the system it's usually pretty rock solid not requiring a constant TWRP/Titanium solution.
6.) Most praise Viper4Android. Great app. Stock it sounds fine for portable use. No phone DAC is going to compete with dedicated equipment so you're basically polishing a turd. There's better equipment out there to get solid audio. Phone isn't one of them.
7.) I haven't looked into rooting this phone for months so my last point is dated and I believe there is a fix but last i checked (once again a few months back haven't been on XDA for a bit) there were some serious fingerprint loss when unlocking the bootloader and then trying to relock or use MSMTool to go back to stock.
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1- L1 remains after rooting
2- Gpay works as it should after rooting
3- Substratum theme dont break anything at least the ones I use
4- best seems Adaway - needs root
5- to save /data TWRP, fastest and easiest. Oneplus backup not bad
6- viper4android, that requires Root makes the sound much better on this phone
7- I never faced the fingerprints loss and anyway there is fix on the threads

Steve0007 said:
1- L1 remains after rooting
2- Gpay works as it should after rooting
3- Substratum theme dont break anything at least the ones I use
4- best seems Adaway - needs root
5- to save /data TWRP, fastest and easiest. Oneplus backup not bad
6- viper4android, that requires Root makes the sound much better on this phone
7- I never faced the fingerprints loss and anyway there is fix on the threads
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I was literally about to say all of this. +1111111
Spot on.
Weird thing for me these days is not needing twrp, it's always been my safety net, but it's just not needed these days, if they ever get rid of Fastboot then it's game over, I'll be buying an iPhone.
The great thing about OOS and magisk ROMs is it retains the goodness from stock and gives you the tweaks systemlessly. Which is nice and safety net passes.
I agree with all of the above.
But either way @ the OP you do you, I'll do me.
PS: I've been doing the android thing since the G1 which was doughnut I think it was it cupcake?
If something is a risk to you then you haven't looked into it enough, there is always a way back, which is where you learn the most about yourself and your device.

dladz said:
Nah titanium is safe.
Does rooting help with speed, I would say so yes, I've made a phone run an emulator it had no business running..
Mainly through zram being disabled and having a kernel that allows a higher clock speed, plus the ROM I was running being as light and efficient as possible..
Stock simply cannot compare with that.
Everyone on here wants the fastest phone, the 865 in the 8 pro is the fastest processor there is..it's quicker than the Nvidia shield pro which I have, it can run things that the shield can't..
Performance isn't an issue with way, but yes being rooted opens doors that just don't exist for stock.
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You're making a good case for me to try it. What are the ABC's to get into rooting slowly and notice a difference?
Thanks for your help!

pbman1953 said:
You're making a good case for me to try it. What are the ABC's to get into rooting slowly and notice a difference?
Thanks for your help!
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I've got a root guide in the guides section..then I'd say check out xXx no limits, allows you to add a profile with a load of changes.. ..
Mods in themes section..
Kernels in development.