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[Q] Is this the best phone for 400€?

As the topic title says, i'm looking for a new phone to replace my boring xperia s (bootloader loocked...) and the maximum i wanna spend is 400€. So,for this money the oppo find 5 is the best option? The feature that i most apreciate is taking photos, and my xperia s do it very well...
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The camera is OK but nothing amazing in my experience which is fine for me and Faux kernel has done wonders my battery life (+30-40%). Not sure the camera can compare to the Xperia.
Despite those niggles, I'd recommend the F5 above others to friends if asked but it depends on your needs. I certainly prefer it over the Note 2 and Nexus 4. For me is the sweet spot between size, screen, performance and design.
What else is on your short list?
-- From my Find 5

Exactly the switch I made XS->Find5. I thought about getting the HTC One or the S4, but since I planned on running a custom ROM, I didn't want to pay for features I wouldn't use anyway.
Regrets? No. The Find5 has a Sony Sensor as camera, AFAIK the same as in the XZ. On stock ROM, the cam is pretty good, not so much on custom ROMs, though, usual closed source binary blob problems.

vitorugo-8 said:
As the topic title says, i'm looking for a new phone to replace my boring xperia s (bootloader loocked...) and the maximum i wanna spend is 400€. So,for this money the oppo find 5 is the best option? The feature that i most apreciate is taking photos, and my xperia s do it very well...
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Hi!
If you are looking a brand new one, maybe this is the one with best camera for this price (I dont know anything about Nokia and WP) you can buy for that amount.
If you dont mind, maybe you can take a Xperia Z (same sensor, but better app) in the second market.
P.S: Yes, this is my first post in about 3 years LOL! (I prefer reading)
Regards from sPAIN

kinghu said:
The camera is OK but nothing amazing in my experience which is fine for me and Faux kernel has done wonders my battery life (+30-40%). Not sure the camera can compare to the Xperia.
Despite those niggles, I'd recommend the F5 above others to friends if asked but it depends on your needs. I certainly prefer it over the Note 2 and Nexus 4. For me is the sweet spot between size, screen, performance and design.
What else is on your short list?
-- From my Find 5
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at the beggining i was thinking about xperia z (i'm a huge fan of the xperia line) or htc one (i don't like the samsung plastic), but i reconsidered that ... 550€ or more for a phone? i think it´s to much, so i stablished the 400€ limit, and for that money, and new phones (not used) i'm in between nexus 4 or the oppo find 5 ( i believe they are the only with superb specs and not so expensive phones ). But the nexus 4 is 4.7 inch screen, and an 8mp camera ( but i guess the 8mp i just a number).
3 things that i consider in a phone : camera; battery; development.
So, what you guys say?

If camera is a priority then you may be better looking elsewhere.
The Find 5 camera is OK in good light but struggles otherwise. My wife has a Nexus 4 and I don't rate that camera either.
-- From my Find 5

I agree the Oppo is nothing to get mad excited about. The camera is very noisy. Actually in HDR mode my pictures on the Nexus 4 turned out way better!

CodeX86 said:
I agree the Oppo is nothing to get mad excited about. The camera is very noisy. Actually in HDR mode my pictures on the Nexus 4 turned out way better!
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so the camera is worst than an xperia s?

vitorugo-8 said:
so the camera is worst than an xperia s?
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Never had the chance to compare to a Xperia S.
But for the claims made by their commercial it doesn't live up to the promise.
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kinghu said:
The camera is OK but nothing amazing in my experience which is fine for me and Faux kernel has done wonders my battery life (+30-40%). Not sure the camera can compare to the Xperia.
Despite those niggles, I'd recommend the F5 above others to friends if asked but it depends on your needs. I certainly prefer it over the Note 2 and Nexus 4. For me is the sweet spot between size, screen, performance and design.
What else is on your short list?
-- From my Find 5
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I too am interested in this phone, one of my main concerns is battery life.
When you say you have about 30-40% more battery life, how many screen on time are you talking about? 5-6 hours?
Thank you.

Elwood_It said:
I too am interested in this phone, one of my main concerns is battery life.
When you say you have about 30-40% more battery life, how many screen on time are you talking about? 5-6 hours?
Thank you.
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Well you can forget the Stock firmware even with fauxes Kernel it will suck you dry. The best experience as far as battery life i had so far was with Cyanogenmod. Even so it is not running an optimized Kernel it seems to handle power mangement way better!
5-6 hours screen on is way over what you will be able to achieve with normal day 2 day use. For sure you will max out at the moment at 4 hours screen on time.
If you are looking for a new phone with lot's of battery life i would hold of another 1-2 month and see what others have to offer because Oppo didn't even release 4.2 yet but they are planning on in early August. Until then don't bother!

so, in conclusion, despite the problems with the camera ( which i think it's a software problem, not hardware ) for 400€, and with a custom rom, the oppo it's the best phone on the market?

CodeX86 said:
Well you can forget the Stock firmware even with fauxes Kernel it will suck you dry. The best experience as far as battery life i had so far was with Cyanogenmod. Even so it is not running an optimized Kernel it seems to handle power mangement way better!
5-6 hours screen on is way over what you will be able to achieve with normal day 2 day use. For sure you will max out at the moment at 4 hours screen on time.
If you are looking for a new phone with lot's of battery life i would hold of another 1-2 month and see what others have to offer because Oppo didn't even release 4.2 yet but they are planning on in early August. Until then don't bother!
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Thank you very much for the answer!

camera is far from bad.. not the best in low light and yes noise can be a problem but i walked out in garden snapped some pics
nothing wrong with it IMO, i actually think its quite good! a lot better than my s2 was.

grudas said:
camera is far from bad.. not the best in low light and yes noise can be a problem but i walked out in garden snapped some pics
nothing wrong with it IMO, i actually think its quite good! a lot better than my s2 was.
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uou those pictures are amazing ... i'm not any expert, but i think the picture quality are far from bad ... are you using any tweak or something? or it's the stock camera app?

vitorugo-8 said:
uou those pictures are amazing ... i'm not any expert, but i think the picture quality are far from bad ... are you using any tweak or something? or it's the stock camera app?
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stock camera and stock rom only thing i've done is root and kill the stock launcher, thats it no editing on those either straight out of the phone in full res.

Elwood_It said:
I too am interested in this phone, one of my main concerns is battery life.
When you say you have about 30-40% more battery life, how many screen on time are you talking about? 5-6 hours?
Thank you.
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Sorry just saw this... I've tried most of the stock/beta ROMs and as a light to moderate user, it lasts me about 24-36 hours. Without faux kernel I would get around 3 to 3.5 hours screen on (email, twitter, browser, Tapatalk, watching a TV show, taking pics/video and a few calls).
With faux setup for battery life, I can get 4.5 to 5 hours doing the same stuff and there isn't really a performance hit as I'm not doing much needing the phone to run at full speed for long.
It was really the idle drain that was killing it at around ~1.5%-2% per hour rather than ~0.8% with faux. Usually, I'm on wifi and have GPS on and leave them on when sleeping so it was overnight that saw a big improvement.

grudas said:
stock camera and stock rom only thing i've done is root and kill the stock launcher, thats it no editing on those either straight out of the phone in full res.
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Yeah I used Stock to for a while and when you do close ups the camera makes some pretty nice pictures. But as soon as contrasts aren't really there anymore it gets potentially noisy.
I mean how much can you really expect from a smartphone camera sensor without any optics to adjust depth.
Your pictures are nice. I made some nice ones myself but they don't measure up to HTC One's Ultrapixel contrast and light condition abilities.
Funny part about all of this is probably that drivers neither on Stock or Custom are really optimized.
I do though still think the state the phone is in right now it is not worth it. Neither Stock Software nor Custom give you a really great experience with the device right now.

CodeX86 said:
I do though still think the state the phone is in right now it is not worth it. Neither Stock Software nor Custom give you a really great experience with the device right now.
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After trying numerous stock and custom ROM/kernel combinations, I have to disagree. Last week's Chinese Firefly is, IMO, very usable in terms of performance, battery life, and reliability.
I posted some findings here:
http://www.oppoforums.com/threads/project-firefly-v1-0-0_3186b.2016/page-19#post-53441

kinghu said:
After trying numerous stock and custom ROM/kernel combinations, I have to disagree. Last week's Chinese Firefly is, IMO, very usable in terms of performance, battery life, and reliability.
I posted some findings here:
http://www.oppoforums.com/threads/project-firefly-v1-0-0_3186b.2016/page-19#post-53441
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Yeah and you will have to lay a little more weight on chinese open beta...

Suggestions about the phone please.....

Hi guys!!!Only two questions.....i have the galaxy s6 flat and i want to sell it and buy this phone.....what do you think about that?And also can you suggest me a good,stable and fast rom for this phone?Thanks a lot guys!!

Flamehell said:
Hi guys!!!Only two questions.....i have the galaxy s6 flat and i want to sell it and buy this phone.....what do you think about that?And also can you suggest me a good,stable and fast rom for this phone?Thanks a lot guys!!
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Hey there! Well I had an S6 last year and I sold it mainly for 2 reasons: 1) Awful battery life. And 2) Because I got used to onscreen buttons (I had an LG G3 before the S6) and I just couldn't go back to a physical home button lol.
As far as battery life, my personal opinion and experience is that the 6P is a LOT better than the S6. Even out of the box, without tweaking it that much. Now if you get a custom kernel and you tweak that then even better.
As far as custom roms go, I've only tried two, Pure Nexus and Chroma and they are both very stable, haven't had any issues with them. So that could be a good place to start and then maybe if you want get a custom kernel too.
This is my first Nexus phone and I've been having a lot of fun tweaking it, playing with root, different roms, kernels, things I never did with my previous phones but with this one I took the plunge. The people here at XDA are extremely talented and always willing to help.
Hope this helps you

Rocio19 said:
Hey there! Well I had an S6 last year and I sold it mainly for 2 reasons: 1) Awful battery life. And 2) Because I got used to onscreen buttons (I had an LG G3 before the S6) and I just couldn't go back to a physical home button lol.
As far as battery life, my personal opinion and experience is that the 6P is a LOT better than the S6. Even out of the box, without tweaking it that much. Now if you get a custom kernel and you tweak that then even better.
As far as custom roms go, I've only tried two, Pure Nexus and Chroma and they are both very stable, haven't had any issues with them. So that could be a good place to start and then maybe if you want get a custom kernel too.
This is my first Nexus phone and I've been having a lot of fun tweaking it, playing with root, different roms, kernels, things I never did with my previous phones but with this one I took the plunge. The people here at XDA are extremely talented and always willing to help.
Hope this helps you
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Tnx a lot mate!!!so i think that you are suggest me to change it for the 6p right?i m a little bit scarried about the bending problem of this phone....is that true that it s easy to bend it?
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Flamehell said:
Tnx a lot mate!!!so i think that you are suggest me to change it for the 6p right?i m a little bit scarried about the bending problem of this phone....is that true that it s easy to bend it?
I can't give you a very informed opinion on that one honestly. All I can tell you is that mine hasn't experienced any bending issues, I use it with a dbrand skin and no case.
I've seen in several places that the issue got blown out of proportion, but I can't be sure just how many people have been affected by that. So maybe search here to see people's opinions
As far as switching from the S6 to the 6P, I say hell YES, do it! Don't think you'll be disappointed. I never looked back.
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Definitely the Nexus6 P and XDA is a win!

[REFERENCE] To all those looking to purchase the Mate 8.

There are many people who come to xda to read reviews and tests about a device before purchasing it, some even check for custom ROMs to see if one has been released but always think more will come in the future. As it is now Custom ROMs based off CM or AOSP is NOT possible. It may NOT be possible in the future either so please buy accordingly.

Indeed.
Single most reason (along with camera) this device is not in my greedy hands already. Shame, really! :crying:

Pfeffernuss said:
Indeed.
Single most reason (along with camera) this device is not in my greedy hands already. Shame, really! :crying:
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Camera is great best I've seen in a while. Better than Note 4 about up to par with V10 in my opinion

Yeah thats true....Glad I am not super big fan of CM. This is just a perfect phone for me specially with the battery life. Camera is pretty good too specially the day shots.

I use layers. Works for enough for me

Ephemera said:
Camera is great best I've seen in a while. Better than Note 4 about up to par with V10 in my opinion
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In that case I do not quite understand why most of the photos I've seen (also on XDA) are "adequate", at best :rolleyes"

Pfeffernuss said:
In that case I do not quite understand why most of the photos I've seen (also on XDA) are "adequate", at best :rolleyes"
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Most have been taken before updates to address the issue. Low lighting is what kills the camera but it kills every camera on nearly every phone.
http://imgur.com/a/8hmSB

Ephemera said:
Most have been taken before updates to address the issue. Low lighting is what kills the camera but it kills every camera on nearly every phone.
http://imgur.com/a/8hmSB
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The camera actually is not that bad in low lighting. I used Zenfone 2 previously, much worst.

Is the 6P a disappointment?

So as a real android enthusiast I bought a 6P 2 weeks back and I had really high hopes since everybody seems so stoked about this device.
After unboxing I was really impressed about the buildqualitiy and the quality of the components used to make this device, but since the first boot I'm really let down by the software experience.
I come from a OnePlus X which runs a custom rom (Resurrection Remix), the CPU governor is set to performance and all animations are speeded up by a factor of 0.75x. And I must say I have the feeling the OPX feels much smoother. At first I thought is was because of the animation speed, but I notice a lot of framedrops when animating, the RAM management seems of center (sometimes when I reopen the third app in the recents he has to reload the entire app!) and batterylife isn't that well either.
At first I thought the bad batterylife was the fault of an app I had written which wasn't optimized but nothing changed after uninstalling it.
I've done a reset of the device and have doubted to flash a custom kernel and set the governor to performance but I don't think you should need to change the software of a $600 phone for decent performance in 2016...
Am I the only one noticing this? I have the feeling that the software isn't optimized and it bugs me... If anyone can give me some tips that should help me, please do.
FYI: my device has about 3hours max of screen-on, the wifi, data and GPS are always turned on, same for bluetooth since it's connected with my watch and I have a mixed use throughout the day (facebook, chat, browsing, gaming,...)

https://youtu.be/RtXtOuxBuvQ

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How does this help him at all?
To the OP, it's ok to put custom software on your OPX to improve performance but not your 6P? Why?

I dunno mate, i think its just you. For me 6p is snappiest and fastest device i have ever owned. Before snapdragon 820devices started coming it was regarded as smoothest and fastest device by all review sites also. Even now, its still up there with the best. And battery life on oneplus x is mediocre, 6p is waay better, go look at gsmarena.com battery ratings. 3 hours of sot time with wifi, data, gps, bt turned on all the time and heavy usage is really not that bad. Im getting about 5h of sot, but my usage is not so heavy.

Because I have not noticed any of what OP has experienced. So my answer to his question was an unqualified NO!

And besides, he doesn't need help. He needs to stop posting useless posts.

WizeGuyDezignz said:
How does this help him at all?
To the OP, it's ok to put custom software on your OPX to improve performance but not your 6P? Why?
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I'll surely try custom software on the Nexus 6P but the main reason I haven't yet is that everybody is positive about the experience, I wanted to feel the experience non-flashing users have (and I have the feeling something is wrong -- this is why I asked it). I know I'm more forgiving about OPX's ****ty software because it's only $250, I didn't expect any issues (although it seems I'm the only one ) with the stock software of a $600 phone to be honest.
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And besides, he doesn't need help. He needs to stop posting useless posts.
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I posted it since I hoped it might have been caused by some service (like google play services). Not everybody has the same setup so maybe there were people with the same experience. And if you see this as a useless post you shouldn't comment on it.
So if anybody can relate to my cause, please say. I'm very curious since this can be more a problem of my perception of the software than the software itself.

No one can help you. Go and return the phone.

No!. Is great
Try PureNexus
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joooe said:
No one can help you. Go and return the phone.
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What is your problem? Just because someone doesn't like your beloved phone you are just gonna razz him instead of help him or stay quiet?

My problem is people who want others to solve their problems by magic.

I do not believe in magic so I don't expect somebody to "fix" something. I just wanted to share my issue in the hope of learning more about android.
By the way, maybe it wasn't clear in my previous post but I do love this device. This is no hate post, more an educational post in which I have questions and hope to get answers from people who know about it

my 6p is great except for the mic and sound in calls, it sucks and disconnects a LOT, cant wait for the M10 !!

I'm not saying this because I'm a 6p owner, but because its the truth....anybody that says the 6p is a disappointment.... Could not possibly convince me any other phone makes them happy.
I would still take the 6p over ANY phone available at this time I'm writing this.

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My problem is people who want others to solve their problems by magic.
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You dont helping him, you should gobaway

nope
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I love mine. That being said, the throttling is a huge issue on mine. Between that and Bluetooth issues, actually thinking of RMA.

No problems with mine except for the mic issue that is taking way too long for a fix IMO, the Google thread for the issue has been active for months.

Don't take people being defensive too hard. They tend to get that way.
To be honest you maybe right. Many developers here got the 6p and returned in short return for the older nexus 6.
As for on line reviews. You can't really put much faith in those as we have seen what happens when they speak honestly. They get cut off from future devices.

Mr Patchy Patch said:
I'm not saying this because I'm a 6p owner, but because its the truth....anybody that says the 6p is a disappointment.... Could not possibly convince me any other phone makes them happy.
I would still take the 6p over ANY phone available at this time I'm writing this.
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My sentiments exactly.

I am a new 6T user, what custom ROM would you recommend me to try out first?

My 6T would arrive tomorrow, my nexus 6p died couple days ago and 6T is the way to go!! I heard that the stock ROM on 6T is really good already, since I haven't taken a look at it, I am not sure what additional feature I can get from the custom ROM? Or should I even bother flashing a custom ROM? Please don't get me wrong, I do think all custom ROM must be fantastic, I am just not sure what the difference are yet.
Another question if you don't mind, I watched some 6T review on YouTube, I see that the speed is fast, but not smooth, they did a comparison between 6T and iphone xs, xs provides much better user experience on animation. I see that we can change the animation speed on developer mode, but since I haven't gotten the phone yet, would that provide the same experience as XS did? Or is there any custom ROM out here can do it?
Any suggestion would be appreciated. Thank you very much

py930828 said:
My 6T would arrive tomorrow, my nexus 6p died couple days ago and 6T is the way to go!! I heard that the stock ROM on 6T is really good already, since I haven't taken a look at it, I am not sure what additional feature I can get from the custom ROM? Or should I even bother flashing a custom ROM? Please don't get me wrong, I do think all custom ROM must be fantastic, I am just not sure what the difference are yet.
Another question if you don't mind, I watched some 6T review on YouTube, I see that the speed is fast, but not smooth, they did a comparison between 6T and iphone xs, xs provides much better user experience on animation. I see that we can change the animation speed on developer mode, but since I haven't gotten the phone yet, would that provide the same experience as XS did? Or is there any custom ROM out here can do it?
Any suggestion would be appreciated. Thank you very much
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This is my first oneplus device as well. I was fortunate enough to be broke until the McLaren came out. I'm rooted and magisk with a custom kernel. I can't think of anything else I would want that you can't do with magisk. Try stock and see what you think. This phone is great! I walk around like Ron Jeremy wearing skinny jeans with this device. There's a confidence that comes with this phone.

Comparing this phone to an iPhone XS is like comparing apples to mailboxes. iOS is a completely closed ecosystem, where Android is not. Of course things are going to "look better" on an iPhone because apps and the operating system itself are designed specifically for the hardware and vice versa. I can't stand iPhones, and I'll say this is easily the best Android phone I've ever had. With a few minor tweaks, you should be able to get whatever result you're after, because the hardware in the 6T is top notch.

Stock OOS now is much more stable than every custom ROM now, so i will suggest you to try stock OOS, may be with Magisk (ROOT) and see, what you can achieve with that.
At this moment no customs have working FP, but devs are working on it. If you don't mind about FP - go and try any of it.

What is fp?

Finger print scanner.

Keep it stock, it's great. Keep it at least until FP is supported in custom.

thedrizzle said:
Comparing this phone to an iPhone XS is like comparing apples to mailboxes. iOS is a completely closed ecosystem, where Android is not. Of course things are going to "look better" on an iPhone because apps and the operating system itself are designed specifically for the hardware and vice versa. I can't stand iPhones, and I'll say this is easily the best Android phone I've ever had. With a few minor tweaks, you should be able to get whatever result you're after, because the hardware in the 6T is top notch.
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I do agree with you, I am not trying to compare 6T with XS, I always use Android phone. What I do like about XS is the smoothness experience it provides to users, 6T's speed is over-killing XS, but I can definitely tell XS is smoother than 6T in the UI part from the video, which I think everyone would like to have that in their own phone.
And of course!!! This is the best Android phone we can get for this price!!! I am happy I am going to have this phone tomorrow!! Really exited.

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Keep it stock, it's great. Keep it at least until FP is supported in custom.
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Thank you for your reply, will keep it in stock!

JacKeTUs said:
Stock OOS now is much more stable than every custom ROM now, so i will suggest you to try stock OOS, may be with Magisk (ROOT) and see, what you can achieve with that.
At this moment no customs have working FP, but devs are working on it. If you don't mind about FP - go and try any of it.
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Really helpful suggestion, will definitely keep it in stock for now. Any idea we can make the UI smoother?

Speed up animation speed in developer options.
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Frankenscript said:
Speed up animation speed in developer options.
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I would guess what you actually mean is slow down the animation???

Bubba Fett said:
This is my first oneplus device as well. I was fortunate enough to be broke until the McLaren came out. I'm rooted and magisk with a custom kernel. I can't think of anything else I would want that you can't do with magisk. Try stock and see what you think. This phone is great! I walk around like Ron Jeremy wearing skinny jeans with this device. There's a confidence that comes with this phone.
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can you give me an advice about what you did after you root the phone besides custom kernel? So far I haven't seen a need to use a custom kernel, any other COOL feature you can think of?

py930828 said:
can you give me an advice about what you did after you root the phone besides custom kernel? So far I haven't seen a need to use a custom kernel, any other COOL feature you can think of?
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I did usqe a a custom kernel and I think it may have improved the battery a little bit, but other than that I disable a couple apps and I use greenify. I dont think I could drain this phone in one day if I tried. I am using an app called Magic Fluids as my live wallpaper with the graphics turned all the way and it's not even the least bit warm. Cool app for showing off. Here's a Pic of kinda what it does.

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I would guess what you actually mean is slow down the animation???
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No, I meant speed them up. They feel more snappy that way.
See attached.
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No, I meant speed them up. They feel more snappy that way.
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Sure!! After I tried all the value, I found the default value works pretty well already