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Is anybody else noticing how dull the colours on the Milestone 2 is? ive looked around and havnt been able to find anybody else talking about it.
I took a few shots of it beside a ZTE Blade and a Zune HD (Zune on medium brightness, both phones on 30% brightness) and strangely enough the Blade's TFT screen looks identical to the Zunes OLED... and the Milestone looks awful!
im confused because the Blade cost 100 and the Milestone cost me 450!???
photos and a video here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/savagecabage/Milestone2TFTErrible#
is there some settings that im missing? im hoping there is. i feel like ive been screwed my motorola lol but i suppose its my own fault, i didnt really do that much research on the screen, i just presumed that a phone that cost 4 times as much as my last phone would have a decent screen
i got this info from pdadb.net, does this make sense to anybody?
ZTE Blade color transflective TFT , 262144 scales
Milestone 2 color transflective TFT , 16777216 scales
also there only seems to be about a 5-10 degree viewing angle on it, once the phone is tilted out side that the colour drops again, oh well
Do you have any screen protector or something on the MS? Are you sure screen brightnes is @30%? I have Droid2 Global and a Milestone (1) which both essentially have the same screen as on MS2 and it is not looking half that dull! True, colors aren't AMOLED like, but I would call it above average for TFT screen
Edit: just looked at the rest of the pics you provided and honestly the ZTE screen looks worse than the MS2 when it comes to color representation - everything feels redish/pinkinsh on it. The AMOLED is not comparable under this conditions. Take some photos at daylight to see "the other side of the coin"
leobg said:
Do you have any screen protector or something on the MS? Are you sure screen brightnes is @30%? I have Droid2 Global and a Milestone (1) which both essentially have the same screen as on MS2 and it is not looking half that dull! True, colors aren't AMOLED like, but I would call it above average for TFT screen
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no screen protector on and im using widgetsoid power widget and have both of them set to 30% using that. yea maybe its that the ZTE Blade colours are over saturated and im just used to look at them that way, but there is definitely some colours wrong and dull in places, like the red in the youtube icon is more of a washed out red than thier logo usually is
ah not to worry i suppose, i probably wont even notice it in a few weeks, ill be selling of the blade then so i wont have anything to compare it to anymore
awesome phone apart from that though
if i find some better examples ill post them,
thanks
I also noticed this the night I took my Milestone 2 home... I was a little concerned at first, but the soft colors eventually grew on me and I dont mind it so much now
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I also noticed this the night I took my Milestone 2 home... I was a little concerned at first, but the soft colors eventually grew on me and I dont mind it so much now
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Its not just me so! thats nice to know im not going mad. im sure ill get used to it soon as well, its not the biggest deal breaker anyway, im just into a bit of photography in my spare time so i like being able to look at photos on my phone in the correct colour
this guy says the screen is vibrant? i must go ask him how he gets it so vibrant, maybe theres a setting somewhere to turn the colour back on
http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/5213/motorola-milestone-2-android-review
"It is vibrant and displays colours well"
According to DisplayMate (which is an authority on displays) the Milestone Droid has the most accurate colors of ANY mobile screen. SAMOLED has awfully inaccrate and fake colors due to the poor pentile matrix arrangement. I dont know if the OLED screen on the Zune is full RGB or also pentile, but its colors are also "gaudy" and no realistic. Compared to my LG's IPS panel, the Milestone is pretty close. I suggest that your eyes are just accustomed to fake and bleeding colors, or your LCD might be a lemon.
The Milestone's display is IPS with full color gamut and true 24 bit color, not a cheap TN panel like almost every other phone. However, Android 2.1 and 2.2 have galleries that are only 16 bit, so pictures look compressed, not the screen's fault. Blame Google.
Www.displaymate.com.
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This picture indicates just how bad the ZTE screen is. That background on the right isn't even remotely close to being white like it is supposed to be.
It appears to me that your Droid brightness settings are too low (or is on auto dimming) because the Droid's screen should be much brighter--something like 550 nits for the Droid to 300-350 nits.
Also, your eyes are clearly accustomed to "gaudy" and inaccurate colors from OLED, whereas the Droid's display is very accurate.
Have a look at this DisplayMate article that breaks down why the Droid is accurate, Galaxy S' SAMOLED (similar to the Zune's OLED) inaccurate: http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BZtTwn-keT4/TSb4DpoadvI/AAAAAAAAAc0/0pqLgfd_Uik/s640/IMG_2833.JPG
I recommend manually setting the brightness on your Droid. Personally, I prefer the screen very bright. Let your eyes adjust to the Droid, and if you still want overly saturated/fake/inaccurate OLED colors, then please sell your Droid 2 to me
ive had my milestone 2 a month and when i look at it i still think how awesome the screen is, really sharp and clear, colours are vibrant, and ive had to turn the brightness down to almost the lowest it will go because its so bright! lol.
but as with most things peoples perception varies, what looks or sounds great to one person might look or sound horrible to another..
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This picture indicates just how bad the ZTE screen is. That background on the right isn't even remotely close to being white like it is supposed to be.
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dont mind thoses pictures actually, using that camera wasnt the best idea, it white when looking at it, no red/pink in it
i think your talking about a different phone anyway, i had a quick look around display mate and couldnt find anything about the droid 2. they have stuff on the droid 1 but nothing on the droid 2. prolly a similar screen but might not be the same
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Also, your eyes are clearly accustomed to "gaudy" and inaccurate colors from OLED, whereas the Droid's display is very accurate.
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yea at first i was thinking that my eyes were just accustomed to "gaudy" colours as you said but if thats true then it means that every screen ive looked at in the last few years has been incorrect.
i just put my xperia x1 and touch pro on ebay and realised that they look "normal", i put some photos on them to look at and both of those seem to be roughly the same as the zte blade, not as saturated as the ZTE blade colours ill give you that, but similar enough, and i have two monitors on my computer here and the photos have exactly the same "normal" colours, but then looking at the same photos on the Milestone 2 they look fairly washed out, even with the brightness at 100% there is a big difference.
i change the brightness settings all the time though but in the photo they were both at the same brightness so it shouldnt matter what % it was just to comapre them
anyway im definitely not imagining it, ive been doing photography and graphic design for a good few years now so my eyes are able to tell small differences between colour at this stage (i wouldnt be much of a photographer/designer if i couldnt) and its more than a small difference, enough that id bother posting a thread here to see if anybody else is noticing it!
well, ive come to the conclusion the screen on my milestone 2 it a lemon... or maybe motorola is the lemon. one of those two, or both lol
i wont be selling it anytime soon though unfortunately sorry im enjoying this phone way to much, the issue doesnt really bother me enough to do something crazy like that..
i just thought it was strange to see it on a 450 phone thats all
mine sometimes as problems, but not that bad :/
dude i really dont think your phone or the screen is the problem, i think its your eyes, just look at the picture of that Rovio screen! the left one is white, the right one is PINK! obviously the m2 has a much more accurate screen.
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ive had my milestone 2 a month and when i look at it i still think how awesome the screen is, really sharp and clear, colours are vibrant, and ive had to turn the brightness down to almost the lowest it will go because its so bright! lol.
but as with most things peoples perception varies, what looks or sounds great to one person might look or sound horrible to another..
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i totally agree about the sharpness and the clearness and the vibrantness of the screen, great detail in it. and i just realised all the colours are really vibrant apart from light blue and red, everthing else seem to be normal. the light blue looks the palest, and then the reds arent as bad but definitely still some difference compared to my computer monitors and other phone screens ive been comparing to.
ah not to worry anyway, i was just curious whether it was a problem everybody was having or if it was just my screen, i wont lose any sleep over it
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dude i really dont think your phone or the screen is the problem, i think its your eyes, just look at the picture of that Rovio screen! the left one is white, the right one is PINK! obviously the m2 has a much more accurate screen.
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yea i didnt really notice that when i was uploading the photo, i just explained that in a post a few seconds ago. it must be just the camera im using, both of them are the same whiteness when looking at them, i was just trying to show the difference in the red colour. the zte blade was at an angle too so i dont know where the pink came from, i just looked at angry birds again on that phone,and at an angle and its still white, stupid camera lol
Savage, I think you might have a bad screen. Can you compare it to another Global or exchange it? The Droid 1, 2, R2D2, and Global all have the same IPS panel as reviewed by DisplayMate, which thinks it is the most color accurate on phones. The Droid does use dynamic contrast, so its colors are sometimes deeper than at other times. I notice this especially when changing wallpaper. Some look absolutely stunning (almost as good as my IPS hdtv), but others are washed out. This is part of the dynamic contrast kicking in and Android's limited 16 bit gallery. I despise dynamic contrast and always turn in off on all my monitors. Unfortunately, I dont know how to disable it on the Droid
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Yeah, I have the d2g, which I believe has the same screen as the m2, and I absolutely love the screen. The colors are very accurate and sharp, I used to have the captivate and I never liked how innacurate the colors were, whites never looked white, they looked grayish, and every other color had a bluish tint to them
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anothadave said:
ive had my milestone 2 a month and when i look at it i still think how awesome the screen is, really sharp and clear, colours are vibrant, and ive had to turn the brightness down to almost the lowest it will go because its so bright! lol.
but as with most things peoples perception varies, what looks or sounds great to one person might look or sound horrible to another..
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Same here, my brightness is always almost all the way down except in sunlight where I turn on auto brightness.
Great Display.
I have a lot of phones with different displays including an Xperia with the Bravia engine which I returned for my MS2 and I would have to say that this is one of the nicest displays out there.
Today I showed the screen of my galaxy s II to my iphone4 owning friend. We both loaded up bbc home page, and the white background on his phone looked much better than on my phone.
On my phone the white background looked cream in colour, where as his displayed as pure white.
Will this be able to be fixed with vodoo colour?
It can be helped with Voodoo color, but it can never look like an LCD based display since SAMOLED screens don't have the LED backlight in the back. And also, an iPhone 4's display has already been proven to be a bit blue tinted which makes whites look brighter when they're actually a slight shade of blue. I've spent a lot of time calibrating my Nexus S screen with Voodoo color and I can safely say the result is a more pleasant shade of white than my friend's iPhone 4. Also with Voodoo color I can boost the brightness higher than what the stock specifications permit so it's even a brighter white than the iPhone 4's if I want it to be, but it consumes a LOT of power.
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Today I showed the screen of my galaxy s II to my iphone4 owning friend. We both loaded up bbc home page, and the white background on his phone looked much better than on my phone.
On my phone the white background looked cream in colour, where as his displayed as pure white.
Will this be able to be fixed with vodoo colour?
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Cream? Really? http://amishlandofct.com/resources/color+cream.jpg
At any rate - yes, voodoo colour can change the colour temperature.
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Today I showed the screen of my galaxy s II to my iphone4 owning friend. We both loaded up bbc home page, and the white background on his phone looked much better than on my phone.
On my phone the white background looked cream in colour, where as his displayed as pure white.
Will this be able to be fixed with vodoo colour?
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the nature of LCD and OLED makes the colors differ here in America. It also makes the colours differ in England and most of its former colonies.
You can try setting the separate brightness setting in the browser settings to 100% (it is separate from general brightness setting in the phone settings).
I bet it would still have a different hue if you look at them side by side.
You can also try taking a friend with an iP4 that is a year old to a store that sells iP4 now, and compare how they look - you will probably see some difference there too, side by side.
He was saying to me, "oh your screen tech hasn't evolved yet, you cant display proper white", haha, "my text is so much sharper than yours".
It was true about the text, my heart sank when I compared BBC homepage in portrait mode. His text looked MUCH sharper than mines. But then he has got a much higher resolution.
I really did feel humiliated, I just want nice pure white like the iphone4 has. I know I don't have a backlight.
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Cream? Really? http://amishlandofct.com/resources/color+cream.jpg
At any rate - yes, voodoo colour can change the colour temperature.
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that is a freaking picture of some fabric, right??? because I got scared thinking my laptop LCD is showing banding on cream color.
Haha... I guess the only difference between boys and men are the price of their toys huh?
If you want to humiliate him, ask him to show you a black image. Then laugh at how much light leakage he has. Then play a high quality youtube clip like a movie trailer with some action scenes, then laugh at how slow his pixel response is (ghosting). Also while you're trying to play a high quality youtube clip... remind him that he needs to be on wifi in order to do it because he only gets low quality over 3G =)
Trust me I'd take the SAMOLED over an LCD display any day. Same reason I have a plasma TV and not an LCD/LED one.
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He was saying to me, "oh your screen tech hasn't evolved yet, you cant display proper white", haha, "my text is so much sharper than yours".
It was true about the text, my heart sank when I compared BBC homepage in portrait mode. His text looked MUCH sharper than mines. But then he has got a much higher resolution.
I really did feel humiliated, I just want nice pure white like the iphone4 has. I know I don't have a backlight.
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Haha... I guess the only difference between boys and men are the price of their toys huh?
If you want to humiliate him, ask him to show you a black image. Then laugh at how much light leakage he has. Then play a high quality youtube clip like a movie trailer with some action scenes, then laugh at how slow his pixel response is (ghosting). Also while you're trying to play a high quality youtube clip... remind him that he needs to be on wifi in order to do it because he only gets low quality over 3G =)
Trust me I'd take the SAMOLED over an LCD display any day. Same reason I have a plasma TV and not an LCD/LED one.
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What, because you prefer an inferior picture quality? There is a reason the big manufacturers are phasing out plasma.
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Haha... I guess the only difference between boys and men are the price of their toys huh?
If you want to humiliate him, ask him to show you a black image. Then laugh at how much light leakage he has. Then play a high quality youtube clip like a movie trailer with some action scenes, then laugh at how slow his pixel response is (ghosting). Also while you're trying to play a high quality youtube clip... remind him that he needs to be on wifi in order to do it because he only gets low quality over 3G =)
Trust me I'd take the SAMOLED over an LCD display any day. Same reason I have a plasma TV and not an LCD/LED one.
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I second this.
Why didn't you test the black on both screens too?
Iphone4 does have a higher resolution, so it's silly to go comparing that, since it's a known fact.
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Trust me I'd take the SAMOLED over an LCD display any day. Same reason I have a plasma TV and not an LCD/LED one.
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I would go one step further: comparing SGS2 screen to iP4 screen is like sitting on a coach 15 feet from TV and comparing a fine 480P 37 inch plasma TV with a "finer" 4K 32 inch LCD TV
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What, because you prefer an inferior picture quality? There is a reason the big manufacturers are phasing out plasma.
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They are phasing out plasmas because they are more expensive, eat more power , are harder to make, and can't compete with LCDs in price.
Real video buffs still prefer Plasma for its true blacks and great refresh rates.
I'm not gonna let this get into a TV debate but it's well known videophiles and avid cinema/sports watchers will always choose a plasma TV over an LCD because of the purer blacks and insanely faster pixel response (no ghosting like an LCD/LED). The mere fact that LCD/LED TVs even have to QUOTE a pixel response time indicates an inferiority.
And this also carries through to phones. If you don't believe me, try it. Pick up any HTC phone and compare it to any Galaxy phone. Go to a black menu with white text... perhaps the settings menu and scroll up and down. You'll notice MASSIVE text ghosting on the HTC LCD screens but none on the SAMOLED screen. Please, don't come back claiming things you haven't tested yourself with no facts to back it up.
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What, because you prefer an inferior picture quality? There is a reason the big manufacturers are phasing out plasma.
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They are phasing out plasmas because they are more expensive, eat more power , are harder to make, and can't compete with LCDs in price.
Real video buffs still prefer Plasma for its true blacks and great refresh rates.
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Real buffs prefer high quality LED panels, plasma simply can't compete with the definition even if fast moving imagery is sometimes better. And I know this as someone who has owned high quality sets of every type.
Plasma's days were numbered as soon as it's monopoly on extra large panels ceased to exist thanks to LCD and then LED technology allowing 42" and above panels to be financially and technically viable with no loss of quality.
Still, we can agree to differ on all that if you wish.
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And this also carries through to phones. If you don't believe me, try it. Pick up any HTC phone and compare it to any Galaxy phone. Go to a black menu with white text... perhaps the settings menu and scroll up and down. You'll notice MASSIVE text ghosting on the HTC LCD screens but none on the SAMOLED screen. Please, don't come back claiming things you haven't tested yourself with no facts to back it up.
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I fail to see where the comparison between SAMOLED and LCD is relevant to a comparison between LCD/LED and plasma.
Oh, and I have tested myself.
What do you mean with "pure white"? To me it sounds like iphone has colder color temperature, that is not better, just different. In fact that would give less natural colors.
Try to change color temperature on your pc monitor to understand what I mean, a warm temperature of 6500K is more creamish than a cold temperature of let's say 9000K.
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Real buffs prefer high quality LED panels...
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I hope you do realize LED is just another type of backlight for same LCD screen, and it not always makes that same LCD produce truer blacks, and it does not do a thing to refresh rates.
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I'm not gonna let this get into a TV debate ...
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What he said. I am done.
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I hope you do realize LED is just another type of backlight for same LCD screen, and it not always makes that same LCD produce truer blacks, and it does not do a thing to refresh rates.
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Obviously, I'm well aware of the technicalities of all current TV technology or I wouldn't be entering a debate about it.
Anyway, agree to differ and move on, as said derailing this thread is pointless.
Ask him to play a flash video from the browser And it is true the iphone's display is fairly impressive but I prefer the bright colors, larger size, and better power consumption of the SAMOLED+
Are you aware that the GS2 screen has 2 different brightness settings? It has the normal brightness, but lower down the menu it has a setting 'Auto adjust screen power' This actually dulls whites when there is a lot of white on the screen to reduce power use. If you untick it the screen is a lot more pure white.
Oh and on the subject of TV screens plasmas are getting a boost from 3D. 3D plasmas are much better than LED/LCD because of their reaction times. Much much less ghosting and as a result deeper 3D effect. A full HD plasma is still the best screen there is right now. Much less harsh than an LCD, better blacks, more realistic colours and less intense whites.
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He was saying to me, "oh your screen tech hasn't evolved yet, you cant display proper white", haha, "my text is so much sharper than yours".
It was true about the text, my heart sank when I compared BBC homepage in portrait mode. His text looked MUCH sharper than mines. But then he has got a much higher resolution.
I really did feel humiliated, I just want nice pure white like the iphone4 has. I know I don't have a backlight.
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Who cares about which screen displaying bbc has better white. This baby has everything, 1080p, bluetooth 3.0, wireless n, hspa+, dual core, android (!), better battery and I think the samoled+ can display colours much better. Also no gay itunes and you do not need to jailbreak your iPhone (which makes the iPhone instable and ****) to just get freedom
Edit: forget about these things
4.3" screen, 9mm thick, 116g, micro sd slot and more.. seriously that phone rapes the iPhone
Dannyboyni said:
He was saying to me, "oh your screen tech hasn't evolved yet, you cant display proper white", haha, "my text is so much sharper than yours".
It was true about the text, my heart sank when I compared BBC homepage in portrait mode. His text looked MUCH sharper than mines. But then he has got a much higher resolution.
I really did feel humiliated, I just want nice pure white like the iphone4 has. I know I don't have a backlight.
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funny that you fall for that
put his iphone in the sun and say "whats white good for if you can't see anything?"
they're different techs. besides, true white is subjective. then theres like 150 other reasons why the SGS2 is technically better, and why the iphone5 will actually be very similar to the SGS2.
I can confirm this "cream" or, as I would put it, "yellow" tint to the screen and whites in particular. It's not right - I consider it a fault. My old (now current) SGS has the most perfect, even whites I've ever seen on a phone - even beating thr iPhone 4 in my opinion.
The SGSII is horribly bad quality as far as I'm concerned. I see nothing in SAMOLED+ that improved over SAMOLED. It's actually more grainy, too saturated, viewing angles - bizarrely are off, and blurs slightly when scrolling. What the hell is up with Samsung?
Hi guys!
First off I wanna say I love my Note!! I have the Korea version as well.
Anyway, I still have my Galaxy S I which I ended the contract to get a Note.
I have to say as far as the "blacks" are concerned, the Galaxy S I wins hands down and also the text/color is sharper and even brighter than the Note.
I tried to take side by side photos but this was the best I could do to show the difference. Both phones are at max. brightness
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/img0005ib.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/img0006pq.jpg/
The pics do not do justice. In person there is a real difference. Even the capacitive lights on the bottom are brighter and whiter.
Not a big deal though when my Gaalaxy S isnt being compared to the Note. Just bothers me a bit personally
Thanks!!
Its becoz of the resolution . Galaxy Has 480 x 800 and in Note 1280 x 800, their is a lot of difference in these too models. anyway Supercurio is working on color issues on Note. lets Hope for better result.
Display issue Thread by Supercurio.. here is the link .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1430847
After installing Screen Adjuster free from the market ..I just upped the red a fraction [+3] to get rid of the slightest green tinge to my screen.
Then installed Voodoo Screen from the Market and set it to Native Mode... this has fixed 90% of the banding issue on my Note.
Now the screen is beautiful and can hardly fault it.
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After installing Screen Adjuster free from the market ..I just upped the red a fraction [+3] to get rid of the slightest green tinge to my screen.
Then installed Voodoo Screen from the Market and set it to Native Mode... this has fixed 90% of the banding issue on my Note.
Now the screen is beautiful and can hardly fault it.
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Was the app called "Voodoo Screen Tuning R/D" ?
I downloaded it from market but get a message saying it doesnt support my model.
I have a Korean Note
What did u turn red upto perhaps a screen shot of your settings if u could pls
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You can turn it on and off
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Hi guys!
First off I wanna say I love my Note!! I have the Korea version as well.
Anyway, I still have my Galaxy S I which I ended the contract to get a Note.
I have to say as far as the "blacks" are concerned, the Galaxy S I wins hands down and also the text/color is sharper and even brighter than the Note.
I tried to take side by side photos but this was the best I could do to show the difference. Both phones are at max. brightness
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/img0005ib.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/img0006pq.jpg/
The pics do not do justice. In person there is a real difference. Even the capacitive lights on the bottom are brighter and whiter.
Not a big deal though when my Gaalaxy S isnt being compared to the Note. Just bothers me a bit personally
Thanks!!
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Coming from a galaxy s with a perfect screen i have to agree that the black levels on the note is not as good and yes picture quality on the first generation screen is better even if its just plain pentile and non hd resolution.
People who started with the galaxy note are easily blown away but those who started with the first gen need more to be pleased. I also started a thread about this before and got the same results on the black levels.. im hoping that hd samoled plus can redeem the samoled family.
I think it is an amazing screen!!! I love it, about it being less bright, god I think the note is too bright. I never have it on full brightness unless its really bright sunshine, and in the dark I wish it would go darker, but it won't.
And the black levels!!!(I'm sick of hearing about this in the this forum) some people are so anal about this, I mean I can only just about tell that the screen is on, on a full black screen when I'm in a pitch black room, which I did to test the blacks. So 99% of the time you can't tell, and even in a pitch black room as soon as theres a pixel of light on the screen your eyes adjust and the blacks look black again. Secondly how many of you that are bothered about this, actually sit in the cinema or watch tv or when on the computer, say oh my good the blacks aren't quiet black. I can pretty much guarantee that all the screens in your life aren't LED so why bother so much about it on your phone?
I also love the screen. No disappointment at all!
Would you rather have 480x800!?
This is brand new technology! It pushes the limits of what can be done at consumer price.
And people are complaining!? WTF!
edit: I owned a SGS1, but I like the Note's screen way more. Much sharper.
Although I must say I'm not experiencing the issues I read about on the forum.
DaanJordaan said:
Would you rather have 480x800!?
This is brand new technology! It pushes the limits of what can be done at consumer price.
And people are complaining!? WTF!
Although I must say I'm not experiencing the issues I read about on the forum.
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Are you joking???
I worked a few years in an industrial R&D department and designed new products, but we NEVER would have dared to release a product with such massive quality fluctuations (problems) onto a mass market! Especially when the screen is THE major unique selling argument!
Fine that YOUR screen is fine for YOU, but sorry, your arguments are pure ignorance! You do NOT have this issues, fine, then why judge about their seriousness??
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Are you joking???
I worked a few years in an industrial R&D department and designed new products, but we NEVER would have dared to release a product with such massive quality fluctuations (problems) onto a mass market! Especially when the screen is THE major unique selling argument!
Fine that YOUR screen is fine for YOU, but sorry, your arguments are pure ignorance! You do NOT have this issues, fine, then why judge about their seriousness??
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Jeez, dont buy a samsung nexus then because that thing is a mess. Signal fluctuates so badly that its kinda funny. Fake screen size (the android buttons are actually on the bottom of the screen, reducing the screen size to the razr. The sound is a joke, the battery useless. Match that with no sd card slot no hdmi and the headphone jack at the bottom of the phone and youve got a 600$ flop.
I bought it for my 12 year old and even he doesnt want it. He wants me to bring it back and get a razr....
BTW, i have a bad s pen and the trademark samsung pink hue in the middle of my camera but asude from that, i love my note. When i saw it in youtube early 2011 i knew it would become my daily phone web surfer.
I wish for the same phone with S amoled PLUS, volume and sleep buttons not across from each ither, no pink in camera, mute button (like iphone) and the sane type of notification light as on the samsung nexus, micro hdmi out and quad core
try the free wallpaper called "no wallpaper" by simplicity apps. The blacks that you see with that wallpaper are amazing and it is free. i often use my phone at night when my child is sleeping, so lights are off and dark and see pitch black screen.
have 2 htc desires at home with amoled screens and the note screen is way better than that. have seen SGS and SGS2 screens and the note is definetely much better than that.
also try the wallpaper (free and paid versions) of KF Flames or KF Flames Donation by kittehface software. the blacks on that are also awesome with equally awesome flame effects. prefer the stock setting than variations possible with paid version but bought paid version just to support developer as liked free version.
the screen on even the sgs2 is no comparison to the one on the note. is your phone stock version or is having different roms affecting the display?
ICS should sort out most issues as its 32bit colour .... (or it could be 24 bit not 100 percent) ,,,
no wallpaper works a treat ... also lowering red to 3
still some apps which are lower density look like they have lines on .. but if you take screen shot they are still there when looking on pc so its the app not the phone
this phone rocks ... never ever going back to the half eaten apple ....
TML1504 said:
Are you joking???
I worked a few years in an industrial R&D department and designed new products, but we NEVER would have dared to release a product with such massive quality fluctuations (problems) onto a mass market! Especially when the screen is THE major unique selling argument!
Fine that YOUR screen is fine for YOU, but sorry, your arguments are pure ignorance! You do NOT have this issues, fine, then why judge about their seriousness??
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Where in my post am I "judging" about "their" seriousness?
If you find the screen their "major unique selling argument", why did you buy it before doing research on the screen?
If you are so worked up about the screen, why don't you get a replacement or trade it for a different phone?
Why do you point your frustration at someone who bought a phone he likes?
Because you bought a phone that you do not like?
Really, if you are so pissed off that you have to enter a forum discussion this angry. You should return the phone.
If you worked in a research and design department you must be a smart guy. You know getting angry won't get us anywhere.
markmessier8888 said:
Hi guys!
First off I wanna say I love my Note!! I have the Korea version as well.
Anyway, I still have my Galaxy S I which I ended the contract to get a Note.
I have to say as far as the "blacks" are concerned, the Galaxy S I wins hands down and also the text/color is sharper and even brighter than the Note.
I tried to take side by side photos but this was the best I could do to show the difference. Both phones are at max. brightness
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/img0005ib.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/img0006pq.jpg/
The pics do not do justice. In person there is a real difference. Even the capacitive lights on the bottom are brighter and whiter.
Not a big deal though when my Gaalaxy S isnt being compared to the Note. Just bothers me a bit personally
Thanks!!
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The blacks on my old S2 is way deeper than the one in the Note.
Disappointing for sure.
But i'll take sharper screen over deeper blacks any day.
Well I was the proud owner of two notes this week, first one had a screen which used to tint between pink and green, so I got Amazon to send a replacement, which came today.
Alas this one isn't rendering the blacks properly and makes Black & White photos and videos look awful, pity as I'm a photographer and wanted to show client photos on the note (First note rendered Blacks great, just the white balance kept going off every odd second or so).
So two notes being returned, not taking the risk again.
Shingle said:
Well I was the proud owner of two notes this week, first one had a screen which used to tint between pink and green, so I got Amazon to send a replacement, which came today.
Alas this one isn't rendering the blacks properly and makes Black & White photos and videos look awful, pity as I'm a photographer and wanted to show client photos on the note (First note rendered Blacks great, just the white balance kept going off every odd second or so).
So two notes being returned, not taking the risk again.
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3rd times tge charm! Grab it while its the international version! The home button is brilliant.i dont at&ts stink on it.
cybermessiah said:
After installing Screen Adjuster free from the market ..I just upped the red a fraction [+3] to get rid of the slightest green tinge to my screen.
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I adjusted the red to +1 on my Note, and it's worked perfect
Much clearer now, thanks for that tip - I'd never heard of that app before.
Livewings said:
The blacks on my old S2 is way deeper than the one in the Note.
Disappointing for sure.
But i'll take sharper screen over deeper blacks any day.
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I'm not sure how the black levels are perceivably different from one OLED screen to another, whether it's AMOLED, SAMOLED, SAMOLED Plus, or HD SAMOLED.
I mean, think about it...
All OLED displays are actively lit, which means that each pixel is its own source of light as opposed to being, essentially, active colour filters for a backlight, like on an LCD.
Let's go ahead an use 24-bit colour for the following example:
Basically, each pixel is able to register 256 levels of intensity per colour, which is represented by 8 bits per colour. And since you have three colours (Red, Green, and Blue), that's 8 bits times 3, hence 24-bit.
In the case of an LCD, where each pixel is essentially a filter, blocking or allowing backlight through, a bit value of 0 for any particular colour would mean fully blocking light, and a bit value of 255 would mean fully allowing as much light through as possible.
However, since the backlight in an LCD is always on, regardless of the image, the front panel isn't always able to completely block all the light, even on a completely black image. That's why you're still able to see a little bit of bleed-through, even on the best LCD's.
With any kind of OLED display technology, this is not the case however. On an OLED display, each pixel is essentially a microscopic cluster of light emitting diodes, and since each pixel produces its own light, there is no backlight whatsoever. Thus, on an OLED display, a 255 bit value for a given colour means full intensity, and a bit value of 0 simply means "off."
Q.E.D. on any kind of OLED display, true black is truly black in the same sense that when a light bulb is turned off, it's completely off.
So, if you're perceiving a difference in the black levels between respective OLED devices, it could be simply that you're not viewing a truly black image. The image might contain pixel bit values close to 0, but not actually 0.
hello, 2 days ago i bought a refurbished gs5, right out of the box i felt like there's something wrong with it..
when im looking at the screen (especially on a white background) i can see its yellow-greenish. when i tilt the phone forward and backwards (taking the bottom part of the phone closer to me/further away from me)
the colors are perfect, like my brother's lg g3. what is the deal? is the screen defective? is it normal for this type of screen? the s5's screen is brighter than the lg g3, just for the record.
when i watch youtube videos, everything is greenish, when i tilt it a little bit, it looks almost as good as my dell ultrasharp monitor.
thanks in advance..
No, it is not normal. I might as well return it and get another one. I bought a SH unit and it came with minor burn-in, but that's not as bad as the yellow-greenish tint you're mentioning. Does it happen in download mode too? Or in recovery, if it's rooted with custom recovery. If yes, time to swap it for another refurbished. If not, we'll see.
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No, it is not normal. I might as well return it and get another one. I bought a SH unit and it came with minor burn-in, but that's not as bad as the yellow-greenish tint you're mentioning. Does it happen in download mode too? Or in recovery, if it's rooted with custom recovery. If yes, time to swap it for another refurbished. If not, we'll see.
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thank you for your reply!
the rom is stock. after using the phone a bit, i feel this tint is just normal. its not VERY yellow, but when im watching vids faces look a bit greenish. its not critical, but not very accurate. still, when the screen is dimmed, it has a lot more contrast and looks much better than the washed out lg g3's screen (when its dimmed).
look, it might be just the way the screen looks. compared to the lg g3, is has a lot more contrast, but when im looking at images, the lg looks identical to my dell monitor (im a photographer so its very important to me), are you sure the galaxy is supposed to be accurate? are the white supposed to look as the lg? on the g3 the whites are a bit red, on the galaxy they're a bit yellow-greenish, but when i look at photos i took, the galaxy looks too warm. when i tilt it a bit, the whites turn a bit blueish, but its still better and more accurate than the yellow it normally is. are you completely sure it isnt the general look of this particular screen?
just for the record, its still yellowish in download mode
sorry for the long comment, im just trying to figure out what to do.,
AMOLED is over-saturated because Samsung is Samsung. Check a custom kernel which will be able to let you tweak the colours. I recommend Boeffla Kernel, because it lets you modify: R G B value, saturation, Hue, Display value and Contrast. Play around with all of those settings if you want to fix it using software.
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AMOLED is over-saturated because Samsung is Samsung. Check a custom kernel which will be able to let you tweak the colours. I recommend Boeffla Kernel, because it lets you modify: R G B value, saturation, Hue, Display value and Contrast. Play around with all of those settings if you want to fix it using software.
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thank you my friend. just for clarification, when you view a white background at "cinema" mode (which is the most color accurate) are the whites yellowish? when viewing in "Standard" mode, the whites are pretty good, but colors are SO SATURATED. and again, thank you my friend!
To my eye, the colours look washed-out, but that is because I am used to the oversaturation of the AMOLED. And yes, the white is yellow-ish.
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To my eye, the colours look washed-out, but that is because I am used to the oversaturation of the AMOLED. And yes, the white is yellow-ish.
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just tell me if this is normal. the phone above is lg g3, gs5 below..
http://i.imgur.com/WdTdYWp.jpg
i cant seem to get the image to show here, i hope you dont mind. if you do, ill try in a different site.
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just tell me if this is normal. the phone above is lg g3, gs5 below..
http://i.imgur.com/WdTdYWp.jpg
i cant seem to get the image to show here, i hope you dont mind. if you do, ill try in a different site.
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How can I put it, uh, the S5 seems to be fine. The G3 is more vibrant, to be honest, but there is nothing wrong with the S5 in my opinion. Again, this is through my eyes, which are very different (and slanted), because 1/2 Jap, the colours on the AMOLED are better than on the LCD. Do you have both phones at the same brightness, and the colours are set nearly the same? Because that can sometimes make the difference. Send me that image, i'll load it on my Galaxy S5 and take a picture to show you how my screen fares.
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How can I put it, uh, the S5 seems to be fine. The G3 is more vibrant, to be honest, but there is nothing wrong with the S5 in my opinion. Again, this is through my eyes, which are very different (and slanted), because 1/2 Jap, the colours on the AMOLED are better than on the LCD. Do you have both phones at the same brightness, and the colours are set nearly the same? Because that can sometimes make the difference. Send me that image, i'll load it on my Galaxy S5 and take a picture to show you how my screen fares.
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the gs5 colors arent better, they're too warm :\.. in the photo the colors arent accurate, because the screens are too bright, but the lg g3 is identical to my dell monitor, the galaxy s5 is very warm and causes images to look almost orange. i shot the image of the gs5 and the lg g3 with my dslr, so it will look different than if you shot your gs5 with a phone camera. anyway, look at the image, tell me what you see at "standard" mode, tell me if the colors of the image look warm, and if looking at a bit of an angle changes the warmth of the colors to be colder (and much more accurate). thank you mate for the help.
for the record, the lg g3 look less greenish in real life, and the gs5 looks a tiny bit less warm. the photo (of the 2 phones) isnt accurate, but its close.
http://i.imgur.com/rKso7q3.jpg
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the gs5 colors arent better, they're too warm :\.. in the photo the colors arent accurate, because the screens are too bright, but the lg g3 is identical to my dell monitor, the galaxy s5 is very warm and causes images to look almost orange. i shot the image of the gs5 and the lg g3 with my dslr, so it will look different than if you shot your gs5 with a phone camera. anyway, look at the image, tell me what you see at "standard" mode, tell me if the colors of the image look warm, and if looking at a bit of an angle changes the warmth of the colors to be colder (and much more accurate). thank you mate for the help.
for the record, the lg g3 look less greenish in real life, and the gs5 looks a tiny bit less warm. the photo (of the 2 phones) isnt accurate, but its close.
http://i.imgur.com/rKso7q3.jpg
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I see what you did there. I loaded the image on my S5 and, to sum it up, at least on my phone, with my eyes, comparing it with my 17" Samsung Syncmaster monitor, the colours on my screen look the same as in the G3 in your picture. I have my screen on Adapt Display. And in cinema mode, the colours are ~1:1 when putting my S5 next to your G3 in the picture, so yeah, your S5's screen is miscalibrated i suppose.
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I see what you did there. I loaded the image on my S5 and, to sum it up, at least on my phone, with my eyes, comparing it with my 17" Samsung Syncmaster monitor, the colours on my screen look the same as in the G3 in your picture. I have my screen on Adapt Display. And in cinema mode, the colours are ~1:1 when putting my S5 next to your G3 in the picture, so yeah, your S5's screen is miscalibrated i suppose.
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thank you so much my friend. ill go to the store and get a replacement. cheers!
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thank you so much my friend. ill go to the store and get a replacement. cheers!
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If the replacement also has these problems, just quote me back. Or just quote me back and keep me updated. When I will go to one of friends' place, where they have really professional monitors, i might as well compare the colours.
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If the replacement also has these problems, just quote me back. Or just quote me back and keep me updated. When I will go to one of friends' place, where they have really professional monitors, i might as well compare the colours.
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ok i will, and just for the record, when you tilt your phone a bit, do the colors get colder ? or is it the same as when you look straight at it?
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ok i will, and just for the record, when you tilt your phone a bit, do the colors get colder ? or is it the same as when you look straight at it?
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same as looking head-on. My particular AMOLED screen has some nice viewing angles, no colour distortion below 80 degrees of tilt. Then it starts to turn green.
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same as looking head-on. My particular AMOLED screen has some nice viewing angles, no colour distortion below 80 degrees of tilt. Then it starts to turn green.
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thank you. now i know for sure my screen is bad
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same as looking head-on. My particular AMOLED screen has some nice viewing angles, no colour distortion below 80 degrees of tilt. Then it starts to turn green.
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look at this mate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVrm73sAnUs
im experiencing the same thing. when tilting like that the screen gets colder, just like in the video. are you completely sure its not normal? i feel like its just the way the screen is. but if you're telling me it doesnt look like in the video, im returning it.
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look at this mate
im experiencing the same thing. when tilting like that the screen gets colder, just like in the video. are you completely sure its not normal? i feel like its just the way the screen is. but if you're telling me it doesnt look like in the video, im returning it.
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Now with an actual example, i can confirm to you that on the white google background the screen gets colder when you tilt it like in the video. And it also has some green tinting on the bottom. Again, our eyes are different, and this is my retina, my phone and my brain.
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Now with an actual example, i can confirm to you that on the white google background the screen gets colder when you tilt it like in the video. And it also has some green tinting on the bottom. Again, our eyes are different, and this is my retina, my phone and my brain.
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true.. one last thing, i have stock 6.0.1, when i change the display mode to "cinema" from "standard", the colors are accurate, but the whites are yellowish, when i change it to "standard", the whites are white, but the colors are over saturated and unrealistic. do you experience the same thing?
when i change to "dynamic", colors and whites on the internet, photos, video and such, look amazing and almost identical to my dell, but in games it looks just like standard mode, over saturated and too bright. im frustrated!
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true.. one last thing, i have stock 6.0.1, when i change the display mode to "cinema" from "standard", the colors are accurate, but the whites are yellowish, when i change it to "standard", the whites are white, but the colors are over saturated and unrealistic. do you experience the same thing?
when i change to "dynamic", colors and whites on the internet, photos, video and such, look amazing and almost identical to my dell, but in games it looks just like standard mode, over saturated and too bright. im frustrated!
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In dynamic, it changes according to what android thinks its on screen, or rather said, what colour profiles Samsung defined for games, internet, pictures, movies and so on. Unfortunately, with the properties of OLED, cinema mode tends to have rubbish whites. That's because the panel is OLED and your DELL is LCD, no matter if its TN, VA or IPS. The difference in technology is the base of your "issue". I keep my S5 on Adapt Display and forget about colour accuracy because AMOLEDs are natively over-saturated.
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In dynamic, it changes according to what android thinks its on screen, or rather said, what colour profiles Samsung defined for games, internet, pictures, movies and so on. Unfortunately, with the properties of OLED, cinema mode tends to have rubbish whites. That's because the panel is OLED and your DELL is LCD, no matter if its TN, VA or IPS. The difference in technology is the base of your "issue". I keep my S5 on Adapt Display and forget about colour accuracy because AMOLEDs are natively over-saturated.
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yeah then i think my gs5 is perfectly "normal" lol. ill just keep it at adaptive, its the most accurate for photos. by the way, my friend's gs6 looks a lot better. in cinema mode the whites are actually white, and the colors are better than the s5. i guess samsung improved it over the s5. i only paid 220$ for the phone (its considered cheap in my country, prices are horrible here) and i have a one year warranty. ill just keep it, its better than the lg g3 in sunlight, and when i dim the galaxy to 40%, its brighter and nicer to look at than the lg g3 at 60%. weird. well, thank you for the help, i guess im done here haha
The Huawei P30 Pro has a crazy crisp display. Just kidding, this is automated text so who knows if this screen is any good. So, you be the judge! A higher rating indicates that it's extremely sharp and clear, and that you cannot see pixels with your naked eye.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
They should have definitely gone with a 2k panel, as the display on this phone reminds me a lot of the S5 and S4 displays. Texts looks fuzzy, and the brighter the screen goes, the more you'll be able to notice the pixels, and you don't even need to look for them. Maybe my eyes got used to the sharper displays I had in the past few years, but even when compared to my last year's P20 P30, this doesn't look that good in terms of sharpness.
If you keep the phone really near your face for example when in bed or trying to read something, you will notice it.
You also noticed it when comparing some videos between this and a 2k screen. The images in this phone are very sharp, but in a bad way..
You will also notice the better battery life. It was the major negative in the specification and nearly stopped me buying the phone. But I checked out the display in the shop and I was happy with the OLED panel. Not blown away but I think the difference between this and some of the higher resolution phones is marginal. I cant see any pixels in text have changed the default size of text in the phones settings?
Wonder why be default Samsung set the Galaxy S10 to FHD+ the same as the P30?
No pixelation at all,and default settings for most of 2k phones is fhd+ resolution.
The 2k resolution is useful for VR content using cardboard or similar.
For normal eye,we can't notice any pixelation with FHD+ resolution. 2k resolution is selling point only for other phones or brand but not necessarily useful or noticable
They should give us the option to use 1440p or 1080p instead of just took it away while charging full flagship price.
You won't notice the difference at all unless comparing side by side.
Came from a pixel 2 xl and the downgrade in the screen is barely noticeable
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You won't notice the difference at all unless comparing side by side.
Came from a pixel 2 xl and the downgrade in the screen is barely noticeable
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Pixel 2 xl screen on white was already grainy.
You can see pixels on Black text on whites for sure sure sure. The display is so bad. Compare it with any 1080p display in market. That's the only down side of this phone and also the camera hype.
I've compared to quite a few devices. The whole pixel display hysteria was a non issue with later models.
But I have access to samsung s8 and s9 and the display is not that far behind them in terms of quality. Heck I'm straining at the text as I write this and I can't make out any pixels.
Either you have a dodgy unit or seeing things.
Also the camera is pretty damn good. Got some amazing shots that is just not possible from other devices
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They should have definitely gone with a 2k panel, as the display on this phone reminds me a lot of the S5 and S4 displays. Texts looks fuzzy, and the brighter the screen goes, the more you'll be able to notice the pixels, and you don't even need to look for them. Maybe my eyes got used to the sharper displays I had in the past few years, but even when compared to my last year's P20 P30, this doesn't look that good in terms of sharpness.
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An update on this matter after owning the phone for almost two weeks now:
I don't know if it was the tweaks I did to the screen's scaling, or the font size, or my eyes were used to 2k displays, or maybe a combination of all what I mentioned above, but I don't notice the pixels on my phone anymore, and even when I grab my wife's S10+, I don't feel like I'm looking at a much crisper screen. The S10+ still looks like the better panel imo, it feels like it's a sticker that is sitting on top of the glass, but in terms of clarity, I honestly don't see the difference as much as I did the 1st few days after I got my P30 Pro.
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Pixel 2 xl screen on white was already grainy.
You can see pixels on Black text on whites for sure sure sure. The display is so bad. Compare it with any 1080p display in market. That's the only down side of this phone and also the camera hype.
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Depends which pixel 2 xl they sent you, mine is pure white and been happy with it since release, and yes the text is awful on the p30 pro, should have been a 2k screen.
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Depends which pixel 2 xl they sent you, mine is pure white and been happy with it since release, and yes the text is awful on the p30 pro, should have been a 2k screen.
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wow i'd love to see your p30 pro panels because mine is nice and crisp.
Nothing wrong with the text
Even had comments on how good the display is from other people
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wow i'd love to see your p30 pro panels because mine is nice and crisp.
Nothing wrong with the text
Even had comments on how good the display is from other people
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Lucky you, the one i sent back was worse clarity than my pixel 2 xl, do some research and apparently they're using 2 different panels, already can't trust a company that can't be arsed using the same **** trying to fulfill orders.
i use fhd+ resolution setting and not the smart choice(default). I m pretty satisfied with the res. FHD is enough for a screen 6-10 inches. Even in 55 4k tv's most people strungle to separate real 4k from FHD(Not me), so this is more psycological feeling than visual on phone screens. Of course side by side qhd looks crispier than fhd but not by far.
Having used many 1080p devices I found the display not seem as sharp as other 1080p devices, never mind 2k. Not sure if its because of the size or the panel. Maybe it would have been better if it was a samsung panel?
Mine is also nice and crisp, you have to change the resolution to 1080p+. Its not as sharp as the s10 but after a while not noticeable. The colours are good and outdoor visibility is great.
I cant honestly tell the difference! if it saves me battery, I am all for it!
Have used it alongside note 8 display, can't seem to find any difference. Works good for me.
Screen looks just as sharp and vibrant as my Note 9. Battery life is noticeably better than that phone though. I can't fault the decision to use a 1080p screen at all.
coming from a Note 9. I definitely see the difference. P30 Pro display is not as crisp. I agree with above that you can actually see the pixels without looking hard