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Would the kf work in the uk

i want to order a kindle fire but i am not sure if it will work here in the uk as it is not for me but for a family member the person would just use the device as stock

Stock right now,the KF would not be a good choice for use in the UK. They would have a hard time accessing any media. Amazon app store and the Amazon cloud would not work.
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krelvinaz said:
Stock right now,the KF would not be a good choice for use in the UK. They would have a hard time accessing any media. Amazon app store and the Amazon cloud would not work.
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Right, in the UK you'd be unable to access the media stores. Too much conflict in copyright stuff between here and there.

I believe I heard the Kindle would burst into flames once it crossed US borders...
I'm quite sure the Kindle would work perfectly fine elsewhere.
I've been having a blast with it for over a week and haven't touched a single amazon based feature, which I believe would be the only place you'd have issues.

Thelgow said:
I believe I heard the Kindle would burst into flames once it crossed US borders...
I'm quite sure the Kindle would work perfectly fine elsewhere.
I've been having a blast with it for over a week and haven't touched a single amazon based feature, which I believe would be the only place you'd have issues.
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Yeah, if you had media to fill it yourself and could use your cloud account for music in the UK (don't see why you couldn't) then yeah that would work. But a lot are likely buying it due to them already buying into Amazon services. If his friend was going to hack it, that's be one thing, but stock currently I'm not sure it's the best choice outside the US as none of the Amazon features work.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure you could find uses for it, I just think that your tablet would be a bit more crippled stock without Amazon services than other possible choices, at least currently. So I'll say it honestly depends on what your friend would get out of it.

I'm using one here in Brazil, so I guess you would have the same experience I have.
All Amazon stuff are useless, except Kindle for books (the same Android app you install in any device). You even can't install other Apps because Amazon App Store blocks everything outside US (even free apps).
The only useful thing you can do to a Fire outside the US is to install third-party apps and root your device to make it like any other Android device. And I loved it for that: a cheap Android tablet, open, unblocked, and easy to hack. Everything I wanted.
The reality is that you'll be buying an Android tablet, not a Kindle as it is in America.

I got the amazon apps to work outside the us using us address and test card.I have rooted and installed aneroid market aswell.Just waiting for touch recovery and then the fun will start.

thanks for the info i will just buy the normal transformer or a ipad

it is possibile to have Kindle Fire working fully outside US using for example unblock-us.
With fully i mean, cloud, streaming content (audio, video, books, etc), amazon app store, etc.

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it is possibile to have Kindle Fire working fully outside US using for example unblock-us.
With fully i mean, cloud, streaming content (audio, video, books, etc), amazon app store, etc.
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Yes, i can confirm. Using unblock-us is the solution, i use it in Germany and it works fine.

6.2 update suspicious

Earlier I posted about bypassing the 6.2 update and future updates from Amazon------->
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19850082&postcount=85
I wanted to see if there were settings to disable automatic updates on the kindle and checked the license agreement and terms of use and that's when I noticed it said :
"In order to keep amazon silk up to at, amazon may automatically update or upgrade the software at any time and without notice to you. Further, amazon may change, suspend, or discontinue Amazon silk or any part of Amazon silk without notice or liability."
There is more in the Disclaimer, in regards to silk. Read it.
This whole update thing seems really strange to me.
I'm still looking for an alternative e-reader besides the kindle app. it does in fact ask me to register with amazon, but only when I try to access external reading material(not purchased from amazon) in my carousel . I can pretty much access the apps and sites fine without amazon registration.
I want to know what this update actually does and it seems no one knows besides suspecting it's purpose is to unroot .At first, I just wanted to make sure I could negate amazon's updates if they decided to start a war to avoid having to perpetually customize my kindle but now, I wonder what they are to.
I found this article about Amazon being sneaky and I will definitely hold off on this update. Apparently, they are being very discreet about the personal information collected from kindle users and kindle sales.
You can read the article here:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...n_Kindle_Fire_s_data_harvesting?taxonomyId=15
here's another w/ video commentary from google about silk
http://www.techi.com/2011/10/amazon-silk-is-just-another-invasion-of-privacy/

Well, in the meantime I am enjoying the heck out of my KF while all this hoopla goes down. I have modded it to my satisfaction and the update was just a minor inconvenience while it improved the function of the unit.
Since I do not use the silk browser, Dolphin instead, I wonder if the privacy issue applies to that browser too. I would think on Dolphin it is a matter of what DNS your network is using and thats that.

I don't like this, although I'm not surprised...
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Dont like silk? Turn it off, problem solved.
The update had nothing to do with root, otherwise people wouldn't have been able to reroot so easily.
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Amazon could care less about me being rooted, and if they did, they would probably would have done more than inconvenience me for the one minute it took to re-root. The nook tablets boot loader is locked because of some deal with Netflix streaming in HD on the nook tablet. Very doubtable that they would start caring now about a few people rooting their devices, seeing as how it doesn't really hurt their business.
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Has anyone else emailed Amazon about root?

I don't think they notice the full potential their device has because people aren't speaking up about it. I think if enough people here email them, asking for them to open the device up for us, they'll see the benefits of us having root access.
I just wrote those one to them.
I sincerely hope this message is read with an open mind by those in charge of the Amazon Fire TV device. Please, PLEASE make sure this gets to the right people who can make a change.
First off, I'm a die hard fan of Amazon, especially ever since I first got my Prime account. I've had issues with orders in the past, as well as products and the Amazon team has always, ALWAYS had my back, which is why I generally do all my shopping strictly with Amazon, even if I can find it cheaper elsewhere, because I know if issue arise, Amazon has my back.
To the point!
The Amazon Fire TV is probably one of the most nifty devices for steaming that has ever come out. It dominates the Roku which I was a huge fan of. The hardware in this little thing is just downright impressive for what it is, especially with it running Android. The possibilities were endless!
So the issue? I'm speaking for hundreds of people, who all should speak up but don't have the time or will to do so.
The biggest benefit of the Fire TV is the fact stated above, it runs Android. We can do so much amazing things with an operating system as open as Android. The problem we have though, as a large community who love to tinker, such as those of us who are part of the XDA community, is you're not allowing us the full potential of the hardware.
The main reason I bought the device wasn't just because it was Amazon backed, and it ran Android, but because it had root access. With that I was able to run my emulators and play NES games and so forth from the comfort of my couch without having to lug out a computer and have the inconvenience of needing a keyboard and mouse to start it all up.
I had the convenience to put a web browser on it so I could run a wireless keyboard to it if I needed to search for something quickly online instead of going into the other room to turn my computer on or find my tablet.
The device ships with a very limited built in storage which is not very good for installing apps. Just installing Bard's Tale eats up almost the entire storage. With root access we could run external pen drives to allow extra storage.
I want you to really think about the potential your device has. You will lose NOTHING by allowing us to root. You will lose NOTHING by allowing us access to the bootloader for custom roming.
Look at Android phones right now, those that are unlocked, like the Nexus devices are among the most popular because of what we're able to do with it. People buy them SOLEY because they know they can Rom it, customize it and so forth.
People see right now that we can't get root access working again and we're losing a lot of options we once had and it's turning people off.
If people see that Amazon took it's community into mind and let us have our root access....people will respect that and buy more of your devices! It's a Win - Win!
I mean really think about it, what are you going to lose? Some people possibly bricking the device? That's their problem, not yours. Warranty is void when tinkering, plain and simple.
Right now, without root access, we're not much better off than owners of the Roku. No enthusiasts bought the Roku because all it is, is a steaming device. Us tech junkies such as myself, bought the Fire TV soley because it allowed more freedom to do more with my device.
So please, I speak for many, open up the flood gates for the community and give us an unlocked bootloader, or at least just make root access easier to acquire!
Sincerely,
An Amazon Junkie
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Spykez0129 said:
I don't think they notice the full potential their device has because people aren't speaking up about it. I think if enough people here email them, asking for them to open the device up for us, they'll see the benefits of us having root access.
I just wrote those one to them.
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Amazon is notorious for locking down their devices extremely hard. I doubt the Fire TV will be any different. And then you have the fact that the content providers don't really want it. Piracy and all that nonsense they like to say.

The added bonus for a rooted Fire TV is Play Store access complete with a fully functional compatibility filter.
Since I actually (re-)gained access to the Play Store,I was able to use my existing acount from my GS7 to install a paid app on my Fire TV that I once had on the GS7 without needing to buy it again.
I want an unlocked bootloader so I can get the multitasking GUI of a modern Linux Distro.
Maybe if the ARM Linux build of Dolphin with OpenGL 2.0 is found,anyone could use Freedreno to actually get it running on a Fire TV!

Id be more or less happy without root if they'd bake in A) Sideloaded apps showing on the menu and B) External storage
Its cool to be able to do other stuff but these are the deal breaks for me. The internal storage on this thing is so ridiculously small, I have no idea how it made it through Q&A. Id have paid the extra $10 for more memory if they offered it.

retroben said:
The added bonus for a rooted Fire TV is Play Store access complete with a fully functional compatibility filter.
Since I actually (re-)gained access to the Play Store,I was able to use my existing acount from my GS7 to install a paid app on my Fire TV that I once had on the GS7 without needing to buy it again.
I want an unlocked bootloader so I can get the multitasking GUI of a modern Linux Distro.
Maybe if the ARM Linux build of Dolphin with OpenGL 2.0 is found,anyone could use Freedreno to actually get it running on a Fire TV!
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Why on earth would Amazon support the Play Store when they have their own app store? The idea is to generate revenue, not funnel it elsewhere.

rbox said:
Amazon is notorious for locking down their devices extremely hard. I doubt the Fire TV will be any different. And then you have the fact that the content providers don't really want it. Piracy and all that nonsense they like to say.
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Ya I get that but there were phone companies that said the same thing, then when people took a stand to go to phones that were unlocked, the manufacturers saw the potential. If enough people bug Amazon about it, it has the potential to make them see the benefit.

Amazon hasn't gotten as big as it is by making poor business choices (Fire phone notwithstanding). We tend to forget that the vast majority of people who buy a fireTV don't have a clue what rooting is, much less its benefits. The bottom line for Amazon is that they will make a helluva larger profit keeping their customers within their own ecosystem than any increase in FTV sales that might occur by appealing to those would prefer a box they can root.

How to Operationalize Kindle Fire HDX

I was an ambitious rooter that thought that rooting was the only way to go, regardless of device. I had a change of heart and decided NOT to root my HDX. Obviously this presents many challenges, the lack of google's presence amoung the top. So my story is how I managed to install almost everything (except play store) and how now I can do just about everything I wanted without rooting.
The trick was to find apps that simulate or sync within the web and they trick the HDX into thinking it has a google account installed. This has allowed me to access gmail, google calendar, search, tasks and more. I even got wifi text messaging working, which is a big deal for me.
Finally, I found the perfect launcher that replaces the tedious Amazon interface. I'm not kidding. You wouldn't tell the difference between a rooted HDX and mine.
Open to questions...
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can you share with us what you did? I would like to try it on my 7" if it would work.

JAG50 said:
I was an ambitious rooter that thought that rooting was the only way to go, regardless of device. I had a change of heart and decided NOT to root my HDX. Obviously this presents many challenges, the lack of google's presence amoung the top. So my story is how I managed to install almost everything (except play store) and how now I can do just about everything I wanted without rooting.
The trick was to find apps that simulate or sync within the web and they trick the HDX into thinking it has a google account installed. This has allowed me to access gmail, google calendar, search, tasks and more. I even got wifi text messaging working, which is a big deal for me.
Finally, I found the perfect launcher that replaces the tedious Amazon interface. I'm not kidding. You wouldn't tell the difference between a rooted HDX and mine.
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Yup - I ran native (unrooted) Fire OS 3.2.6 for nearly a year before moving to a different rom. It's quite possible (and often rather easy) to either sideload play store apps or find high quality equivalents that duplicate the best from google. Some I still use today even though I have full access to the play store. Toss in a few Xposed modules and life is pretty sweet. That said, there was always the challenge of dealing with new versions or accommodating the various limitations inherent with Fire OS. I think the story here is an unrooted HDX can be still be a useful/productive tool but the work effort definitely goes up once you step outside the Amazon ecosystem.

JAG50 said:
Finally, I found the perfect launcher that replaces the tedious Amazon interface. I'm not kidding. You wouldn't tell the difference between a rooted HDX and mine.
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Which launcher are you using? Inquiring minds want to know!

JAG50 said:
I was an ambitious rooter that thought that rooting was the only way to go, regardless of device. I had a change of heart and decided NOT to root my HDX. Obviously this presents many challenges, the lack of google's presence amoung the top. So my story is how I managed to install almost everything (except play store) and how now I can do just about everything I wanted without rooting.
The trick was to find apps that simulate or sync within the web and they trick the HDX into thinking it has a google account installed. This has allowed me to access gmail, google calendar, search, tasks and more. I even got wifi text messaging working, which is a big deal for me.
Finally, I found the perfect launcher that replaces the tedious Amazon interface. I'm not kidding. You wouldn't tell the difference between a rooted HDX and mine.
Open to questions...
Sent from my SM-G900P using XDA Premium HD app
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Is there an "How To Do It" tutorial

Fire HD 10 2021 Questions

I'm debating on picking up the Fire HD 10 2021 edition during Prime Day sale. Are there ways to put actual android OS rom on it or just adding Play store, google services and stuff with the toolkit. Typically I'd try to do more research but time is a bit limited on the sale so any help would be appreciated. I use to flash roms on phones in the past and just curious if there is any support or ability to do that with the Fire HD tablets. Thanks in advance!

GeekyWilliam said:
I'm debating on picking up the Fire HD 10 2021 edition during Prime Day sale. Are there ways to put actual android OS rom on it or just adding Play store, google services and stuff with the toolkit. Typically I'd try to do more research but time is a bit limited on the sale so any help would be appreciated. I use to flash roms on phones in the past and just curious if there is any support or ability to do that with the Fire HD tablets. Thanks in advance!
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Here's the thing with loading custom roms on any 2019 or newer fire tablet nowadays. No one's been able to find any exploits on the tablets because Amazon has been cracking down on the MediaTek exploits that we would usually be able to use. Especially with the newer OS, I really don't think that anyone will find anything that they can do with unlocking the bootloader and flashing a new ROM since it's basically all been patched.
In terms of Google Play Services and apps, I haven't tried this on the HD 10 2021, but it is most likely possible because I use them just fine on my HD 8 Plus 2020 running the same operating system. So Google Play Store is (most likely) achievable. Hope this helps!

Are the Amazon Fire tablets rootable at all? Able to Magisk? I would like to get into rooting and was hopping we could with this device

Galaxy-Geek#1 said:
Are the Amazon Fire tablets rootable at all? Able to Magisk? I would like to get into rooting and was hopping we could with this device
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Well, yes and no. I know that sounds pretty vague, but it's because it really depends on the tablets.
So recently, people haven't been able to find any exploits that will give them root access to newer tablets, and without an unlockable bootloader, Magisk is definitley out of the question.
On some of the older tablets, as you probably have already seen, there are unlockable bootloaders, but this involves a lot of work to the tablet in terms of software and it isn't as simple as a command like "fastboot oem unlock" (unfortunately).
Basically, I don't think that root will be possible on the HD 10 2021, or at least anytime soon, because the rooting on the older tablets were done by finding exploits in the CPU and Preloader, and then using those exploits to use a hacked bootloader and recovery, and then those would patch the OS to allow you to mod those as much as possible, including giving you the ability to root. Amazon has patched these exploits and no one has been able to use one of the more popular "temporary" root solutions (mtk-su) with the newer tablets since the 2019 HD 10.
So, for now at least, you'll be out of luck.

GeekyWilliam said:
I'm debating on picking up the Fire HD 10 2021 edition during Prime Day sale. Are there ways to put actual android OS rom on it or just adding Play store, google services and stuff with the toolkit. Typically I'd try to do more research but time is a bit limited on the sale so any help would be appreciated. I use to flash roms on phones in the past and just curious if there is any support or ability to do that with the Fire HD tablets. Thanks in advance!
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Did you buy that Fire? I did. Then I immediately ran Fire Toolox (https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/windows-tool-fire-toolbox) to make it run like normal Android.

One thing you'll find is that, even though you're able to install the Play Store and do a few more things with the ToolBox, any Amazon tablet running their Fire OS 7.x.x.x versions won't be able to do much with Google apps having to do with communications, that use push notifications (such as Hangouts or Chat). Something likely to do with how Google Play Services is working or interacting with Fire OS. It just won't allow it to work.
I've got Google Chat installed on my 2019 9th gen HD 10 and it had been able to be used to read and respond to received posts, just no notifications on incoming (I relied on another straight Android device for alerts). But sometime in the past two weeks an update to either Chat or (probably) Play Services occurred that makes Chat immediately close when I attempt to open an existing conversation. Bad news since Google is finally announcing the impending shutdown of the IM portion of Hangouts. Hoping to find out more about that on this forum.

GLRioux said:
Did you buy that Fire? I did. Then I immediately ran Fire Toolox (https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/windows-tool-fire-toolbox) to make it run like normal Android.
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Did same

najim017 said:
Did same
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This is not an option anymore to disable ads on the lockscreen??