so after long searching it finally clear to me that
- treble partition and recovery are available
- Can flash GSI/Treble rom but with quirks, e.g. bluetooth, hotspot not working
- Missing shims? Updated vendor partition?
so we need a great dev to work on it??
if great dev starts the project and start a pool for collecting $$$ as support i'll gladly donate $10us I'm sure more people will join too....
especially now that MIUI has finally released the final version https://www.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-redmi-note-3-final-miui-10-stable-update/
optionalmgrr.la said:
if great dev starts the project and start a pool for collecting $$$ as support i'll gladly donate $10us I'm sure more people will join too....
especially now that MIUI has finally released the final version https://www.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-redmi-note-3-final-miui-10-stable-update/
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Who gonna rewrite vendor code? Its not devs work. It comes from vendor and silicon manufacturer. They knows their hardware. So they work closely with google to write vendor blobs.
Why u want treble rom? Flashing gsi doesnt give u more performance and stabilty. They are more buggy than non treble rom. Non treble rom are device specific so have less bugs.
Kenzo will get android 10 and thats enough. After that 5g phones will hit the market and all will rush for it. So dont assume kenzo will survive till 2050 if we make it treble :laugh:
5G is going to be a flop like 3D TV.
If there is official LineageOS 16.0 then it's ok, but all other ROMs are too flicky they don't even support SELinux.
All those 1000s of different ROMs are basically the same base just add on top different customizations. That's why all 9.0 ROM are SELinux permissive.
In short, too many fancy half-working stuffs without any substance. We need a substantiated deve to help us out of this mess......
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5G is going to be a flop like 3D TV.
If there is official LineageOS 16.0 then it's ok, but all other ROMs are too flicky they don't even support SELinux.
All those 1000s of different ROMs are basically the same base just add on top different customizations. That's why all 9.0 ROM are SELinux permissive.
In short, too many fancy half-working stuffs without any substance. We need a substantiated deve to help us out of this mess......
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Do u even know how selinux works.
What do u mean they dont even support selinux.? Every rom has selinux support since kitkat.
Why dont u write ur perfect selinux policy and help to this devs so that it can be enforced on pie.
And whats there in lineage official rom which other roms dont have. Lineage official has its rules which cant be met for older phones which has old vendor blobs. Difficult to get official status.
And Who really give damn about lineage official.
Other roms are more customizable and have far more better and miles ahead in features then los rom.
And what u mean by mess? Xiaomi gave mm blobs coz official miui on android 6. Then from where we will get latest code if qualcomm is not updating code for sd650.
Only stuff is broken on pie is Vilte. If u have selinux priority then use Citrus.
ok thx
Forget about project trouble for our kenzo
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Hello guys,
My query might seem totally obvious to some, but believe me it's genuine. And yes I've spent multiple hours on the internet searching about this but didn't find any satisfactory answer.
Now to the actual query, I wanna know what lineage os really is and how it is different from aosp. And I'm not talking about some fancy customisation tricks and additional features like button remapping or live display. I wanna know what is the difference at system level.
As most of the noticable features can be cherry picked and a ton on aosp roms also have those. How they are different at their very core, or are they not? What lineage os based offers over aosp roms?
Like most of the professional tech reviewers are so hyped about aosp roms but isn't lineage better ( except for some bugs) ?
PS- I first posted this on a lineage os rom thread, but then i realised it belongs more here.
AOSP is pure android, directly from google, without any modifications.
If you're talking about lineage as a mere software, it is just AOSP + some basic extra features added on top of it.
If you're talking about what all lineage is all about and why it's so famous and respected, read on.
AOSP or pure android needs hardware specific code patches [eg from CAF for snapdragon devices] for working on any device, so it's difficult to build it . While lineage has all these patches already present [Thanks to the hard working developers at lineage], so all you've to do is compile and enjoy . The work lineage guys do is massively used by almost ALL custom ROMs, yes you heard that right, without which those ROMs won't be possible.
I hope it clears your doubts
impulsar said:
AOSP is pure android, directly from google, without any modifications.
If you're talking about lineage as a mere software, it is just AOSP + some basic extra features added on top of it.
If you're talking about what all lineage is all about and why it's so famous and respected, read on.
AOSP needs hardware specific code patches [eg from CAF for snapdragon devices] for working on any device, while lineage has all these patches already present [Thanks to the hard working developers at lineage], so all you've to is compile and enjoy . The work lineage guys do is massively used by almost ALL custom ROMs, yes you heard that right, without which those ROMs won't be possible.
I hope it clears your doubts
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Okay, so if I understood it right, lineage is basically just a less broken version of newly released aosp distros with some features and all. They basically share the main software core.
Do correct me if i misinterpreted this.
The main reason I had this query was that roms like miui mess with aosp core too much. So I just wanted to know why lineage os is different from aosp?
And also thank you for the detailed explanation.
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Okay, so if I understood it right, lineage is basically just a less broken version of newly released aosp distros with some features and all. They basically share the main software core.
Do correct me if i misinterpreted this.
The main reason I had this query was that roms like miui mess with aosp core too much. So I just wanted to know why lineage os is different from aosp?
And also thank you for the detailed explanation.
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Yes you got it right
It would be very nice if someone could bring compatibility to proyect treble for our device, we have the required things for bring it
https://github.com/dianlujitao/android_kernel_xiaomi_sdm660/tree/lineage-15.1 (8.1.0 KERNEL BOOTING)
https://github.com/phhusson?tab=repositories (LOT OF DOCUMENTATION OF TREBLE)
I would try myself but I don't know how to do that so if any developer know how to do it and can do it please work on it. With this we could boot generic aosp img and the development and rom choose would be bigher
Thanks a lot and let's start the discussion
that would be very nice.. or get lineageos 15.1 fully working..
LOS 15 will be available after O based Miui, so calm for a bit
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LOS 15 will be available after O based Miui, so calm for a bit
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This Mi Note 3 has very good potential. Camera and harware with this kind pricepoint. So hope development goes forward lot!
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LOS 15 will be available after O based Miui, so calm for a bit
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With this speed Xiaomi got for Note 3 this'll take an eternity.
omercicek43 said:
With this speed Xiaomi got for Note 3 this'll take an eternity.
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Actually he already got it working, just waiting for O blobs to fix cam
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Actually he already got it working, just waiting for O blobs to fix cam
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I'll try, too, if needed.
omercicek43 said:
I'll try, too, if needed.
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he wont share it, we have to wait
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he wont share it, we have to wait
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What exactly is this btw?
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What exactly is this btw?
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LOS 15.1
What do you think are the chances of this device getting support for Project Treble in the future, either from an official implementation with the MIUI 9.5 update or unofficial community port? I'm on the verge of purchasing this device but the lack of Treble is the only thing holding me back at the moment. Treble will be revolutionary for custom ROM support in 2018 and so it wouldn't make sense for a flashaholic like myself to purchase a device without it.
I already bought the device, but I would really like treble support for this phone
we have to get O first, so calm down for a bit
have a nice day
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we have to get O first, so calm down for a bit
have a nice day
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Fair enough. I'm just unsure what to do at the moment because I want to buy this phone but don't want to invest in something that won't receive Treble support in a few months time. Maybe I should just wait and see what the Mi7 has to offer, as that will come with Oreo pre-installed like the Mi MIX 2S. Hopefully it won't come with a notch.
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Fair enough. I'm just unsure what to do at the moment because I want to buy this phone but don't want to invest in something that won't receive Treble support in a few months time. Maybe I should just wait and see what the Mi7 has to offer, as that will come with Oreo pre-installed like the Mi MIX 2S. Hopefully it won't come with a notch.
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Why do you care about treble so much for a device that already has AOSP support ?, N Based ROMs are fully stable-ish at this point, O based ROMs will follow after Miui O update, so treble wont do that much for us
but if you end up getting Mix 2S or any other device with treble support, you dont have to wait for devs to support to your phone, just unlock & flash GSI builds, Treble is still a hit or miss follow Honor/Huawei devices forums for more info's
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Why do you care about treble so much for a device that already has AOSP support ?, N Based ROMs are fully stable-ish at this point, O based ROMs will follow after Miui O update, so treble wont do that much for us
but if you end up getting Mix 2S or any other device with treble support, you dont have to wait for devs to support to your phone, just unlock & flash GSI builds, Treble is still a hit or miss follow Honor/Huawei devices forums for more info's
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Thanks. I was interested in Treble mainly because it would allow flashing Treble-based ROMs that could be installed on any device. When Android P comes around it would mean getting it a lot quicker than if the phone did not have support for Project Treble. Still, it's good to know that all the currently available ROMs for the Mi Note 3 are stable and Oreo ROMs will be coming shortly. It looks like Oreo is scheduled for mid-April so there isn't too much longer to wait.
I cannot wait to see treble ported for our mi note 3
I'm starting to think xiaomi won't release an Oreo MIUI for Mi Note 3. If that's the case, will we be forever stuck in nougat? I thought if our device get treble supports, upgrades to later Android Versions (P, Q, and so on) will be assured. But it's like hoping for an Oreo ROM is already too much
Hey,Can anyone please guide me how to build an Oxygen OS for the Mi Note 3?It would be of great help... regards
AL_IRAQI said:
Why do you care about treble so much for a device that already has AOSP support ?, N Based ROMs are fully stable-ish at this point, O based ROMs will follow after Miui O update, so treble wont do that much for us
but if you end up getting Mix 2S or any other device with treble support, you dont have to wait for devs to support to your phone, just unlock & flash GSI builds, Treble is still a hit or miss follow Honor/Huawei devices forums for more info's
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Ppl here about project treble because with it, you can get faster android upgrades and custom ROMS on Pie or oreo
Hey everyone I just wanted to ask what this trebel label means, my lack of understanding and research tells me its kinda like OTA but for a more secure way to push updates to devices? being someone who has been using my device fine, am just a bit wonderous wondering what this Trebel means for my favorite ROM, Recovery and Kernel
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Hey everyone I just wanted to ask what this trebel label means, my lack of understanding and research tells me its kinda like OTA but for a more secure way to push updates to devices? being someone who has been using my device fine, am just a bit wonderous wondering what this Trebel means for my favorite ROM, Recovery and Kernel
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for the moment, forget about it
it's very green and brings more troubles than solutions or any gain in particular. We will see how things develop with time.
You can read more about treble in here
https://www.xda-developers.com/how-project-treble-revolutionizes-custom-roms-android-oreo/
bornlivedie said:
for the moment, forget about it
it's very green and brings more troubles than solutions or any gain in particular. We will see how things develop with time.
You can read more about treble in here
https://www.xda-developers.com/how-project-treble-revolutionizes-custom-roms-android-oreo/
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Reading the article I'm still a bit confused by what all this would mean for the end user, I really enjoy AEX since I moved from RR and it seems like this is the "latest and greatest" type of situation, yeah okay launches are tough but when everything smoothed out what would this treble allow us all to do?
dalebaxter01 said:
Reading the article I'm still a bit confused by what all this would mean for the end user, I really enjoy AEX since I moved from RR and it seems like this is the "latest and greatest" type of situation, yeah okay launches are tough but when everything smoothed out what would this treble allow us all to do?
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In reality, it means little to the end user. It could theoretically mean that ROMS require less development time, since all roms in theory are based on a single image.
You can kinda of see this with Google's OEM Partners. At Google I/O they listed a number of partner OEMs that were the first to use treble and for the most part they have released upgrades quicker and more reliably then there non-treble counter parts. This also can be extended to the modding community and in general means that porting roms and developing them on a new phone should be easier.
This is all part of a bigger push by Google to gain uniformity across devices. They started requiring security updates in there SLA's and now are pushing treble.
Trebles's All the benifits goes to vendor and stock rom users Rights. As we are Custom Rom users what are the benefits we getting from Treble Projects?
https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/05/13/project-treble-impact-android-custom-rom-community/
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Trebles's All the benifits goes to vendor and stock rom users Rights. As we are Custom Rom users what are the benefits we getting from Treble Projects?
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In the future you will be able to flash the custom treble image specific for your hardware, and then a GSI (Generic System Image) of your choice: RR, AEX, DU, Tesla, etc... that will be generic and able to be flashed in any hardware. That means that GSI development teams will be able to maintain their roms and apply the security fixes without the need to create custom rom versions for each hardware. So, finally we will have real OTA updates for custom ROMs. We all hope LineageOS 16 to have more or less this philosophy too. Well see it in September.
So, benefits for the user:
More ROMs to choose for your device (actually all of them!!!)
More frequent upgrades from custom GSI teams.
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In the future you will be able to flash the custom treble image specific for your hardware, and then a GSI (Generic System Image) of your choice: RR, AEX, DU, Tesla, etc... that will be generic and able to be flashed in any hardware. That means that GSI development teams will be able to maintain their roms and apply the security fixes without the need to create custom rom versions for each hardware. So, finally we will have real OTA updates for custom ROMs. We all hope LineageOS 16 to have more or less this philosophy too. Well see it in September.
So, benefits for the user:
More ROMs to choose for your device (actually all of them!!!)
More frequent upgrades from custom GSI teams.
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thanks you well explained ?️.
I have question, If we flashed treble once, are we able to flash any treble based rom, for example any devices treble roms
alwynjoshy said:
thanks you well explained ?️.
I have question, If we flashed treble once, are we able to flash any treble based rom, for example any devices treble roms
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Once you have the Treble framework in place and have then flashed a device specific vendor image you can from that point on flash any GSI ROM. The thing to note is that so far NFound's Treble ROMs have included vendor image files in them which makes them device specific, you need to check for and remove any vendor image files from Treble ROMs created for other devices if you wish to try the ROM on a device other than what it was made for.
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thanks you well explained ?️.
I have question, If we flashed treble once, are we able to flash any treble based rom, for example any devices treble roms
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A treble rom is hardware specific, so you cant flash a treble rom designed for a different device. Only GSIs are compatible with multiple devices, and it is this way since the hardware dependant part is only in the treble rom.
Right now there are not fully treble roms available for the Axon7. The currently available roms labeled as treble are delivered and work as a usual full rom. The treble and system parts are still mixed up in those roms. It will take some time until we could enjoy a fully wotking treble rom in the Axon7.
Hi
I'm new to Huawei Devices and have a few questions about the P Smart because I want to get it soon.
Is it fully treble supported?
How to unlock its Bootloader?
If it's fully Treble supported can I install every treble ROM that supports that CPU family?
How is EMIUI?
What Custom ROMs do you guys/girls recommend (In this forum and treble forums)
What settings should I change EMEDIANTLY after getting my Device/EMIUI
Any Xposed/Magisk Modules recommended for this Phone.
SuperSU or Magisk for EMIUI Stock?
Thanks in advance
~DeblaGaming
DeblaGaming said:
Hi
I'm new to Huawei Devices and have a few questions about the P Smart because I want to get it soon.
Is it fully treble supported?
How to unlock its Bootloader?
If it's fully Treble supported can I install every treble ROM that supports that CPU family?
How is EMIUI?
What Custom ROMs do you guys/girls recommend (In this forum and treble forums)
What settings should I change EMEDIANTLY after getting my Device/EMIUI
Any Xposed/Magisk Modules recommended for this Phone.
SuperSU or Magisk for EMIUI Stock?
Thanks in advance
~DeblaGaming
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Hi lots of response from your questions I see! Lol. Are you still on psmart? Where have you got to with it?
My experience: MOS =ministry of solutions unlocked my bootloader, I paid 9£ for them to downgrade firmware and give me unlock bl code, I've been around for sometime but I struggle with fastboot, dev terminology and new devices esp Huawei!
I got twrp+magisk mostly for viper4. Although I'd like to use quick step and xposed although I'm reading people have probs with xposed and it's not compatible I might be reading old threads but I ain't willing to risk a brick. From what I see thus far there isn't much in the way of development and it seems like those using custom ROMs are desperate to get back to stock because it's so stable.
Be good to hear what progress you have made
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Hi lots of response from your questions I see! Lol. Are you still on psmart? Where have you got to with it?
My experience: MOS =ministry of solutions unlocked my bootloader, I paid 9£ for them to downgrade firmware and give me unlock bl code, I've been around for sometime but I struggle with fastboot, dev terminology and new devices esp Huawei!
I got twrp+magisk mostly for viper4. Although I'd like to use quick step and xposed although I'm reading people have probs with xposed and it's not compatible I might be reading old threads but I ain't willing to risk a brick. From what I see thus far there isn't much in the way of development and it seems like those using custom ROMs are desperate to get back to stock because it's so stable.
Be good to hear what progress you have made
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well for the both of you xposed beta 4 test 1 that can be downloaded direcly installed from xposed gitbub works but not all the modules will work and some modules will bootloop and brick you
there are 0 P smart devs... there are devs like askuccio and hacky86 making treble GSI for our specific kirin soc hi6250 but not for P smart
the most stable custom roms are omnirom and RR and lineage 15 maintained by
https://forum.xda-developers.com/p9/development/roms-openkirin-aosp-collection-t3828806
project openkirin... they are stable.. but the camera doesnt have AR althought it is stock camera.. wifi bridge and app twin won't work and other small bugs like i cant use the camerra to scan barcodes to make payments in my banking app.. the rest of the p smart threads are dead.. global search in xda for openkirin, kirin659 , hurupdater, hi6250.. cos our only custom roms are treble GSI's
I'm currently using LOS 15.1 for my axon 7 but since it's not maintained anymore, I was wondering if there were any other ROMs that were being made or maintained for this device. Thanks in advance!
Im currently using stock A2017G B03 and move on with Huawei Mate 20x, i have been there done that with all known working GSI Roms and to be honest nothing feels as stable as stock especially when you need dolby atmos and banking apps, but if your device is not your primary device then you can try GSI Roms from Erfan or nFound.
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I'm currently using LOS 15.1 for my axon 7 but since it's not maintained anymore, I was wondering if there were any other ROMs that were being made or maintained for this device. Thanks in advance!
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A lot of people have Treble'd their device and went with GSIs
I'm on LiquidRemix which seems to work nice with Speedy Vendor and Baddar Kernel
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A lot of people have Treble'd their device and went with GSIs
I'm on LiquidRemix which seems to work nice with Speedy Vendor and Baddar Kernel
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So I'm a bit confused, is LOS not made from a GSI? Or what's the difference between GSI's like LiquidRemix versus LOS?
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So I'm a bit confused, is LOS not made from a GSI? Or what's the difference between GSI's like LiquidRemix versus LOS?
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When you Treble your device you split some partitions of your phone, particularly the vendor partition which opens the possibility of using ROMs from other phones. LOS offers a ROM version and GSI. The ROM versions are usually made just within the threads of the particular device. Some GSIs are broken, but that's because of a hardware mismatch but an updated vendor usually takes care of any mismatches. Each GSI/ROM has it's own custom set of features.
If you like LOS, you could try out the latest LOS16
But check out Havoc or LiquidRemix if you want to test GSIs
Keep in mind that we *may* have one official ROM supported for our phone. But GSIs are usually built monthly by a group of devs and they keep the security features up to date and make small changes like the AOSP public chain from Google.
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When you Treble your device you split some partitions of your phone, particularly the vendor partition which opens the possibility of using ROMs from other phones. LOS offers a ROM version and GSI. The ROM versions are usually made just within the threads of the particular device. Some GSIs are broken, but that's because of a hardware mismatch but an updated vendor usually takes care of any mismatches. Each GSI/ROM has it's own custom set of features.
If you like LOS, you could try out the latest LOS16
But check out Havoc or LiquidRemix if you want to test GSIs
Keep in mind that we *may* have one official ROM supported for our phone. But GSIs are usually built monthly by a group of devs and they keep the security features up to date and make small changes like the AOSP public chain from Google.
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So GSI's like LiquidRemix or Havoc are supported across multiple devices while ROM's are built more to match that specific device? Would that be correct? And we have a supported ROM still?
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So GSI's like LiquidRemix or Havoc are supported across multiple devices while ROM's are built more to match that specific device? Would that be correct? And we have a supported ROM still?
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Yeah. GSIs are meant to be shared across devices with similar hardware and issues with a broken GSI are tweaked by having an updated Vendor file. ROMs are specifically made to match all the hardware in a particular model of phone. I think all the ROMs for the Axon 7 are unofficially supported at this point, which means a 3rd party dev decided to pull the source code of a popular ROM like Lineage and build it for our particular model just because they were feeling nice and appreciated by the people who use it.
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When you Treble your device you split some partitions of your phone, particularly the vendor partition which opens the possibility of using ROMs from other phones. LOS offers a ROM version and GSI. The ROM versions are usually made just within the threads of the particular device. Some GSIs are broken, but that's because of a hardware mismatch but an updated vendor usually takes care of any mismatches. Each GSI/ROM has it's own custom set of features.
If you like LOS, you could try out the latest LOS16
But check out Havoc or LiquidRemix if you want to test GSIs
Keep in mind that we *may* have one official ROM supported for our phone. But GSIs are usually built monthly by a group of devs and they keep the security features up to date and make small changes like the AOSP public chain from Google.
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Yeah. GSIs are meant to be shared across devices with similar hardware and issues with a broken GSI are tweaked by having an updated Vendor file. ROMs are specifically made to match all the hardware in a particular model of phone. I think all the ROMs for the Axon 7 are unofficially supported at this point, which means a 3rd party dev decided to pull the source code of a popular ROM like Lineage and build it for our particular model just because they were feeling nice and appreciated by the people who use it.
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Okay so one last question, is there anything that you lose from moving to a GSI compared to a ROM? Like for example, would I still be able to use the superior audio DAC of the axon 7 or would that not be possible since that's too device specific? Thanks in advance!
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Okay so one last question, is there anything that you lose from moving to a GSI compared to a ROM? Like for example, would I still be able to use the superior audio DAC of the axon 7 or would that not be possible since that's too device specific? Thanks in advance!
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Not that I know of. I'm able to use VoLTE and Viper4Android for the HD DAC and I'm on GSI.
Edit: And now that I remember, you should check out raystef66 ROMs. Those are still active for our phone and from an awesome dev.