So are we going to be lucky enough to have a consistent handset for both US and international customers? It would be awesome for the US community if the devs were able to pool their resources worldwide instead of having to split their efforts.
The carrier branded ones maybe a little different, but the unbranded ones purchased in the US should be like international ones. But still, radios for LTE should be different
HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE:
EU: 800/1800/2600 MHz
US (AT&T): 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz
US (TMO): 700/AWS MHz
US (Sprint): 1900 MHz
Asia: 1800/2600 Mhz
g3rm3n said:
HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE:
EU: 800/1800/2600 MHz
US (AT&T): 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz
US (TMO): 700/AWS MHz
US (Sprint): 1900 MHz
Asia: 1800/2600 Mhz
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Someone said that all 32GB models will have LTE, irrespective of country
NiCk.JaY said:
The carrier branded ones maybe a little different, but the unbranded ones purchased in the US should be like international ones. But still, radios for LTE should be different
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Thanks for the reply! I knew that carriers used different slices of spectrum and it makes sense that the radios would be different because of that, but will that affect ROM development the way the different processors on the One X have? Like, will it brick your US One if you tried to load an International One custom ROM?
christophernftl said:
Thanks for the reply! I knew that carriers used different slices of spectrum and it makes sense that the radios would be different because of that, but will that affect ROM development the way the different processors on the One X have? Like, will it brick your US One if you tried to load an International One custom ROM?
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No it won't, but rooting and stuff isn't for average people. You and me and all others who take up the 'risk' and 'time' of rooting can enjoy such privileges. And for the last question, no it wont brick, but obviously you'll have to be rooted to do such stuff And the differences won't be as huge as One X and One XL have.
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No it won't, but rooting and stuff isn't for average people. You and me and all others who take up the 'risk' and 'time' of rooting can enjoy such privileges. And for the last question, no it wont brick, but obviously you'll have to be rooted to do such stuff And the differences won't be as huge as One X and One XL have.
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Thanks again, I really appreciate the information. It definitely encourages me to upgrade even more knowing that there will be an entire WORLD full of people modding the handset.
Again, no 800 MHz (b20) support for the MI5s and MI5s Plus.
What you think about that?
I will switch from Mi5 to Le Pro 3 and don't care anymore for Xiaomi smartphones.
is it important for Europe users?
Some provider only got 800 MHz and they start to switch the UMTS antenna to LTE. For example Telekom Germany
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This is 800 MHz
This is 1800 MHz
O2/Telefonica/Eplus only got 800 MHz
Vodafone 95% 800 MHz. Telekom is the best one if you looking for 1800/2600 MHz
In Croatia most of the cities are covered with higher bands,800mhz is only important if u want LTE in rural parts of country.
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In Croatia most of the cities are covered with higher bands,800mhz is only important if u want LTE in rural parts of country.
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The same in Germany, the cities are properly covered by 1800 MHz but rural areas are covered by 800 MHz.
I got T-Mobile and was thinking of getting a mi5s plus. I had a mi5 and sold it, got a Zuk z2 pro. But the software on this sucks big time. Cm is buggy and mokee is also buggy.
I will wait...
slead1 said:
The same in Germany, the cities are properly covered by 1800 MHz but rural areas are covered by 800 MHz.
I got T-Mobile and was thinking of getting a mi5s plus. I had a mi5 and sold it, got a Zuk z2 pro. But the software on this sucks big time. Cm is buggy and mokee is also buggy.
I will wait...
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yea considering Croatia has same T-mobile as Germany(DT) it makes sense it's the same lol
I'm waiting for Mi5 prime, ordered it on Monday. Second choice was Zuk Z2 regular, glad I skipped it.
Same problem in Slovenia. Si.mobil is using mainly 800Mhz. So this is main reason, why many friends did not go for Mi5.
On other hand, Telekom Slovenia had a bit better 1800Mhz.
Hi,
Same problem in France
I was waiting for the Xiaomi Mi 5S but now....
In France, for LTE we use/need B3 (1800) / B7 (2600) / B20 (800) / B28 (700)
Xiaomi ? Please, produce a phone with all these frequencies !
A taiwan version maybe ?
Is someone know if it's a hardware limitation or software ?
Regards,
amans
I don't think they will for now due to potential lawsuit... I could be wrong, but I think Xiaomi infringe copyrights on Apple, Samsung etc...
troublecro said:
In Croatia most of the cities are covered with higher bands,800mhz is only important if u want LTE in rural parts of country.
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Hrvatski Telekom is Deutsche Telekom, just cover with "croatian" but it's german.
After buying the real croatian telecom, they upgrade the 3G to 4G. The last 3 years they cover over 50% and use a lot 1800 MHz, which means up to 150 Mbit/s
https://www.hrvatskitelekom.hr/karta-pokrivenosti
The german site is much better
https://www.telekom.de/start/netzausbau
4G up to 50 Mbit/s means 800 MHz
4G up to 150 Mbit/s is 1800 MHz
Rest of 4G is 2600 MHz
slead1 said:
The same in Germany, the cities are properly covered by 1800 MHz but rural areas are covered by 800 MHz.
I got T-Mobile and was thinking of getting a mi5s plus. I had a mi5 and sold it, got a Zuk z2 pro. But the software on this sucks big time. Cm is buggy and mokee is also buggy.
I will wait...
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No, Eplus/Telefonica only got 800 MHz, Vodafone about 90-95% 800 MHz and Telekom 25% 1800/2600 MHz. Vodafone start to promote 4.5G but this is dual stack or 2600 MHz (marketing).
edmondt said:
I don't think they will for now due to potential lawsuit... I could be wrong, but I think Xiaomi infringe copyrights on Apple, Samsung etc...
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No, you need to pay for 800 MHz. It's about ~0,20€ per device. In China they don't use 800 MHz, because this is fast as HSDPA+ (42 Mbit/s) so they start with 1800 MHz in Asia.
1.000.000 Mi5s x 0,20€ = a lot money for nothing.
LeEco buy all bands and pay maybe 0,50€. Clever...
Usually, European Providers use the following scheme:
1800 (band 3) and 2600MHz (band 7) in bigger cities, with high demand of data; and
800MHz (band 20) in remote areas to cover a bigger area.
The choice of the frequencies is linked to two things:
- Demand: Greater frequencies (1800 and 2600MHz) support bigger data flow, but have a limited range; smaller frequency (800MHz) transmit less quantity of data, but have a higher are of service, thus being used on rural places;
- Law: which regulates which frequencies are available for commercial use, in the Country or the region.
In Portugal, in order to have LTE on some frequencies, the transition of analog TV to the digital service had to be rushed.
In Europe, due to the Laws, the frequencies above are the ones used, in general.
For me, due to the lack of Band 20 on the 800MHz, make me choose the Honor 8 over the Xiaomi Mi5 / Mi5S.
Usually, European Providers use the following scheme:
1800 (band 3) and 2600MHz (band 7) in bigger cities, with high demand of data; and
800MHz (band 20) in remote areas to cover a bigger area.
You can see a list of LTE frequencies and bands used in the World here.
The choice of the frequencies is linked to two things:
- Demand: Greater frequencies (1800 and 2600MHz) support bigger data flow, but have a limited range; smaller frequency (800MHz) transmit less quantity of data, but have a higher are of service, thus being used on rural places;
- Law: which regulates which frequencies are available for commercial use, in the Country or the region.
In Portugal, in order to have LTE on some frequencies, the transition of analog TV to the digital service had to be rushed.
These is to show the restrictions that bands have, from both Law and interference with other technologies.
In Europe, due to the Laws, the frequencies above are the ones used, in general.
The West uses FDD-LTE: different frequencies for upload and download.
In China TDD-LTE is mostly used: time difference between upload and download.
Then there is channel width, that, like the Wifi signals, can vary.
10MHz, 20MHz, 40MHz and 80MHz.
Bigger width means more data being transmitted, like in Wifi transmission.
This width is different on each LTE technology: Cat3 (150Mbps), Cat6 (300Mbps), etc...
For me, due to the lack of Band 20 on the 800MHz, I am going to buy the Honor 8 over the Xiaomi Mi5 / Mi5S.
Yes, the speed reached on the band 20, on the 800MHz frequency, is really close to HSPA speeds. But, you must not forget ping (latency): LTE has a very low latency capacity.
For example, my LTE latency is ~8ms, where HSPA is ~30ms.
This is particularly noticed opening pages on the browser, accessing information at each click, and so on.
Most of these Chinese phones do not provide real worldwide LTE connectivity, even though they have the excellent hardware that supports many bands and standards. Check the Leeco Le Max 2 - even compared to latest Leeco's Le Pro3 - Le Max 2 beats all the chinese phones in terms of connectivity and pretty close to iPhone/Samsung S7 (SD-version, of course).
same as first floor, i can speak chinese so i went to their official forum to request bands unlock, the people there said mostly "not my business, i dont care, why foreigners buy xiaomi but not iphone, no one use those bands here". no official team member came out to offer help, so disappoint
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Klanac89 said:
Hrvatski Telekom is Deutsche Telekom, just cover with "croatian" but it's german.
After buying the real croatian telecom, they upgrade the 3G to 4G. The last 3 years they cover over 50% and use a lot 1800 MHz, which means up to 150 Mbit/s
https://www.hrvatskitelekom.hr/karta-pokrivenosti
The german site is much better
https://www.telekom.de/start/netzausbau
4G up to 50 Mbit/s means 800 MHz
4G up to 150 Mbit/s is 1800 MHz
Rest of 4G is 2600 MHz
No, Eplus/Telefonica only got 800 MHz, Vodafone about 90-95% 800 MHz and Telekom 25% 1800/2600 MHz. Vodafone start to promote 4.5G but this is dual stack or 2600 MHz (marketing).
No, you need to pay for 800 MHz. It's about ~0,20€ per device. In China they don't use 800 MHz, because this is fast as HSDPA+ (42 Mbit/s) so they start with 1800 MHz in Asia.
1.000.000 Mi5s x 0,20€ = a lot money for nothing.
LeEco buy all bands and pay maybe 0,50€. Clever...
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so xiaomi should at least give us an opportunity to pay the 0,20€ and unlock the brands, they want to save money not mean they can say the mi5s is a LTE phone in their ads, this is a kind of cheating.
Weidas said:
Are they selling their phones officialy in your country? Are they saying lte is supported in your country? No one cheated or lied to you, phone is what it is.
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my purpose is not blaming them, just feel this should not be so hard to unlock bands based on the support of hardware. btw, if people sell lte phone but just with half-lte function, i sill think they should notice the customers before they do the purchase. anyway, just hope to unlock the bands, even i have to pay some more money
may be this help? petition to XIAOMI for MI Phones Band 20 Unlock
if hw dosent support b20 and other xiaomi cant do unlock. if it locked by soft they can release patch or mod for unlock. not necessary officially.
Weidas said:
Thats just not how it works, you dont understand anything about bands and the tax you have to pay for it. Also this phone works perfect with lte in countries, where its officially sold, how cant you understand? Use it in china, it will work perfectly. XIAOMI DOESNT SELL THESE IN EUROPE, thats why it doesnt have to work in europe, its not their business, you bought your phone from 3rd party vendor, even tho xiaomi doesnt support your country, thats your fault, not theirs. And forget about unlocking bands, even if you are willing to pay money. Its a difficult process, and for model to have aditional bands it has to go through various tests and confirmations, it also has to recieve different model number and get more confirmations and sertifications. Its a long process you know nothing about, so i can make it clear you. IT WONT HAPPEN. Only way to unlock is by unofficial way, but it involves a lot of reverse engineering and complete guessing in the dark, so i wouldnt get my hopes up also.
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so u just keep trust in ur ways/ rules/ ideas, I don't too much care. there are always reasons the companies do this or don't do that. maybe u think it is normal that xiaomi treatcustomers in different ways in different place, some one can use 4g some one not, but "why don't u understand" I just don't think so? plz u must understand you dont understand anything that i understand, i really curious where u get this such kind of self-confidence, from bible?
Weidas said:
What are you even talking about? Do you understand english? XIAOMI CANT JUST UNLOCK BANDS WITHOUT RELEASING NEW PHONE MODEL, ITS THE LAW. Do you understand what law is? Probably not. Also XIAOMI FULLY SUPPORT LTE WHERE THIS PHONE IS OFICIALLY SOLD, how dense are you? Im done with you, keep dreaming and living in your imagination land LMAO.
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i dont know english and im living in my dream, u r so genius, no one familiar laws like u and everyone love u, u r so smart so right and so adorable, zhen tama shab yige
Weidas said:
What are you even talking about? Do you understand english? XIAOMI CANT JUST UNLOCK BANDS WITHOUT RELEASING NEW PHONE MODEL, ITS THE LAW. Do you understand what law is? Probably not. Also XIAOMI FULLY SUPPORT LTE WHERE THIS PHONE IS OFICIALLY SOLD, how dense are you? Im done with you, keep dreaming and living in your imagination land LMAO.
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Come on, it's android, with root and a good developer you can change everything in your phone
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Hi,
Anyone know the difference with the Dual Sim Huawei Models VKY-AL00 and the VKY-L29 please?
Like to know which one to purchase and why?
Where to buy?
Thanks for your help
Trickt007 said:
Hi,
Anyone know the difference with the Dual Sim Huawei Models VKY-AL00 and the VKY-L29 please?
Like to know which one to purchase and why?
Where to buy?
Thanks for your help
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I think the vky-AL00 is the Chinese model.
Huawei p10 plus
Any ideas which one to purchase, and why please?
Trickt007 said:
Any ideas which one to purchase, and why please?
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Not got a clue pal sorry, I've heard that someone on this forum had a 14 day wait to unlock the bootloader with the Chinese version.
Whats the difference with the Dual Sim Huawei Models VKY-AL00 and the VKY-L29 please? Apart from being Chinese version
i think you shouldnt go AL00 model..unless you plan to use on GSM network on your phone
L29 is international version..
The spec ..
VKY-AL00
Main SIM card:
LTE FDD: Bands 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/9/12/17/18/19/20
TD-LTE: Bands 38/39/40/41 (100M)
UMTS (WCDMA) / HSPA+ / DC-HSDPA: Bands 1/2/4/5/6/8/19
TD-SCDMA: Bands 34/39
CDMA: BC0 (800 MHz), Only for China Telecom (China Mainland + Macao, China)
GSM / EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
VKY-L29
Main SIM card:
4G TD-LTE: Bands 38/39/40/41 (100 MHz)
4G FDD LTE: Bands 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/9/12/17/18/19/20/26/28/29
3G UMTS (WCDMA) / HSPA+ / DC-HSDPA: Bands 1/2/4/5/6/8/19
2G GSM / EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
XtraArrow said:
Not got a clue pal sorry, I've heard that someone on this forum had a 14 day wait to unlock the bootloader with the Chinese version.
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I can confirm this as I have the chinese model. There's differences in the way the dual sim card works too, or so I've read.
The easiest way to check the different buddy, is to go to www.pdadb.net
Search for the P10 Plus and observe the number of models that come up AL00 and VKY-L29 (etc). Just read both of their spec sheets and you'll see the differences.
RoOSTA
So now I got a Chinese version, and I would like to flash an international version ROM, which one should I use? My model said VKY-AL00, should I download the ROM of VKY-L29 (as it said Asia pacific)..thx
huawei p10 plus supports full active?
In my zuk z2 My carrier network is showing 4g+(Jio India)..
Whats means for that
Even I'm getting it on Airtel and speed improved a lot
dknsb said:
Even I'm getting it on Airtel and speed improved a lot
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which city
rishavsoni said:
which city
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Visakhapatnam
dknsb said:
Visakhapatnam
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On which baseband r u on?????
Chinese 1.70
Everyone gets that , for me it is LTE+
I used to get 4g+ but now it is not showing and my baseband is 1.63...any solution?
got 126 Mbps download on airtel, currently only getting intra band carrier aggregation by default(band 40 10 MHz+band 40 20 MHz)
rehankumar said:
got 126 Mbps download on airtel, currently only getting intra band carrier aggregation by default(band 40 10 MHz+band 40 20 MHz)
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Phak!
I too get 4G+ symbol but highest ever is not more than 55 mbps via Jio.
Location :- Kolkata
ROM :- Regardless of stock of custom rom like PE
Baseband :- 1.76 / 1.70 (ZUI 3.5)