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As a Moto X (1st gen) owner, I really hate these big phones on sale nowadays.
Even the Nexus 5 is way too big in my opinion.
Everything I have seen/heard about the Sony Z5 Compact makes me want to get this phone.
BUT: with no speedy software updates from Sony, and lacking ROM development support in the XDA community, I will never get this phone.
Dev support on the Moto X was already lacking and I will never buy another Motorola phone because of the terrible software support from that company.
When will these manufacturers learn?
Give us unlocked bootloaders, support devs, and provide QUICK software updates to the latest version of Android.
Otherwise, you go on my sh!# list and I will not buy your phones!
As much as I hate Apple, they get that part right!
Sorry that you won't get it because you can't put a custom ROM on it. I can say though, it's better than most phones when comparing just stock. Biggest problems would be ads for me.
But you can still root, install xposed, etc. Just have to unlock the bootloader (which Sony makes it easy to do). There's also a way to get your* DRMs back so the camera doesn't suffer all that much.
*not really your DRMs. just a copy of someone else's or something.
And what was the exact reason for posting you are not buying this phone, in this phones forum?
langeveld024 said:
And what was the exact reason for posting you are not buying this phone, in this phones forum?
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its called attention whoring because nobody gets better from thing like this.
Development will most likely pick up after someone figures out a way to backup the DRM keys.
Phone with "updates and ROM support" vs Small Size
Pick one.
But development isn't that bad at all.
You only have the Z5C at the moment...
In my opinion,
Pros: the only Compact flagship (2015/2016). Excellent battery life (with 720p resolution) specially when gaming.
Contras: the camera photo quality (compared to non-sony phones), slow updates (compared to aosp phones like Nexus/Motorola), DRM is lost when unlocked which is ridiculous.
If I were you I would try to update your X to a custom rom with Marshmallow (I did this with my GF's Moto G 1st gen). She's enjoying Marshmallow while I'm stuck in Laglipop with a Sony auto brightness bug that wash all the colors after unlocking the display (will be fixed by Sony in Android 6)
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thesebastian said:
DRM is lost when unlocked which is ridiculous.
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DRM patch has been out for a week
in my opinion, even with the recent solution available for DRM keys, ROM development will be small.
I don't think the Z5 line has sold that much (snapdragon 810 might be a cause), and probably it will never gain the interest that the Z3 line has. In addition, only in February Sony would start selling the Z5 line (unlocked ) in the US: without fingerprint sensor(!!), too late, too pricey to be sold in volumes that would bring american developers' contribution on xda.
Altough,this is just my personal thoughts.
(apart from that z5c is a good phone)
Samesame.
First and last device im buying from Sony, and not only becaue of their inability to put their horrendous DRM on a separate chip instead of in the regular storage.
It reboots frequently with a flashing red LED, their own software comes with ads, yes, ads in a device that you paid for, the volume rocker is getting sloppy after 3 months and Sony claiming it to be "normal usage" and wont replace it etc.
Nope, not again. Anyone who wants to buy it?
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DRM patch has been out for a week
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Yes but that patch is nothing guaranteed in a future....
Sony should leave the users unlock/lock the bootloader without affecting any phone usage. (Like Motorola do).
I don't care too much about unlocking the bootloader, because AOSP roms that Sony release, have a more (or totally) useless camera firmware and many others things. So Stock ROM is the most stable ROM in the Z5...
If Sony released an official AOSP (extra) firmware 100% stable with quality but without Sony features (like Smartapps, Xperia themes, Camera from lockscreen set to Sony camera, and Jap apps like "Everyday" "Film" "pain", yes the phone is still full of hidden bull****, etc) all would be better.
But for the people who want to root and modify system apps, free unlock of the BL without affecting the phone is a complete deal breaker.
lack of updates? i think sony is one of the rare companies that release so many patches to fix all sorts of things. Since i own the z5c i had like 3-4 updates already and soon marshmallow.
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Yes but that patch is nothing guaranteed in a future....
Sony should leave the users unlock/lock the bootloader without affecting any phone usage. (Like Motorola do).
I don't care too much about unlocking the bootloader, because AOSP roms that Sony release, have a more (or totally) useless camera firmware and many others things. So Stock ROM is the most stable ROM in the Z5...
If Sony released an official AOSP (extra) firmware 100% stable with quality but without Sony features (like Smartapps, Xperia themes, Camera from lockscreen set to Sony camera, and Jap apps like "Everyday" "Film" "pain", yes the phone is still full of hidden bull****, etc) all would be better.
But for the people who want to root and modify system apps, free unlock of the BL without affecting the phone is a complete deal breaker.
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You can disable bloatware in settings>apps
Also, I didn't have any Japanese apps installed on mine so I think it has to do with your region customization.
Feel free to install any other region customization using flashtool
langeveld024 said:
You can disable bloatware in settings>apps
Also, I didn't have any Japanese apps installed on mine so I think it has to do with your region customization.
Feel free to install any other region customization using flashtool
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Not all apps can be disabled though, "Whats new" for example, which is constantly bugging me about updating other bloatware.
And yes, Im aware that you can disable notifications, but should we really have to..?
And (as I said in another topic recently), it's not all about apps in /system. Sometimes you just need aosp stuff like be able to define "default" camera for the lock screen shortcut. etc.
BTW, I hate that "smart apps" app that can't be disabled, only hidden.
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Not all apps can be disabled though, "Whats new" for example, which is constantly bugging me about updating other bloatware.
And yes, Im aware that you can disable notifications, but should we really have to..?
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Well, I don't consider what's new as bloatware since it gives updates for some (to me) important system apps. Though, I disabled notifications too.
I just think it would be better if android phones all had the CM superuser toggle in dev settings by default. So the ones who need root (us) could turn on root when needed and users who are not aware of it (like my grandmother) can't turn it on accidentally.
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Well, I don't consider what's new as bloatware since it gives updates for some (to me) important system apps. Though, I disabled notifications too.
I just think it would be better if android phones all had the CM superuser toggle in dev settings by default. So the ones who need root (us) could turn on root when needed and users who are not aware of it (like my grandmother) can't turn it on accidentally.
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Thing is, we already have a perfectly fine app for updating other apps, Play Store. Sony are even using it for certain apps, so I really dont get why they would need a second app.
Unless theyre bundling malware which is automatically discovered via play store *tinfoilhat on*
After a few months, the Z5 is a BIG dissapointment for me too. Coming from a Note 3 and a OnePlus One, both running a custom ROM based on CM (Temasek's builds), I'm used to see the most annoyings bugs and issues get squashed very rapidly (thanks to nightlies).
With the Z5, running stock firmware, I've learned that bugs and issues will persist for months (since October in certain cases) without a proper fix. Since I got the Z5, the phone received I think 3 or 4 updates. In all cases, all these updates did: more bloat and Sony apps I don't want and need, and had to uninstall.
Bluetooth issues? Still there. Auto-brightness? Still broken. Battery life? Still sub-par and very poor compared to my OnePlus One. UI lag and stuttering? Still exist.
No doubt the Z5 is a great phone (hardware), but the software (firmware) is so plagued with bugs and issues that Sony doesn't seem to judge important enough to fix that, honestly, I'm now considering selling that phone to get something better that actually receives REAL updates and bugfixes. As a first time Xperia owner, the impression it leaves me is that Sony seems very amateurish when it comes to providing a solid firmware that does justice to the very good phones, hardware-wise, they produce... And I've learned yesterday that Samsung (yeah that Samsung that is known for taking forever to update its phones...) is now faster than Sony to update their flagships! Shame
All I hope now it that Marshmallow (if they release it someday...) will be a more decent firmware than Lollipop is, so I can keep that phone one more year without having to replace it. My next phone WON'T be an Xperia though. I never do the same mistake twice
Good for you guys if you're happy with your Z5 (I'm sincerely glad for you), but I'm not. Mine is plagued with problems I've never encountered with any other Android phones I've owned before, even those running nightlies CM12 ROMs. And I still can't figure out why my much slower OnePlus One (Snapdragon 801 Vs 810) felt more snappy and gave me a better Android experience in general (more stable, better UI fluidity, better battery life, less bugs and annoyances, etc.)
By the way, another BIG dissapointement for me: That DRM bull**** that causes the phone to lose functionalities if you ever decide to unlock/root it. Seriously Sony? Why would you prevent me from enjoying better camera processing algorythms, X-Reality and stuff like that just because I need to unlock my bootloader to get root? That's moronic and an ass move.
Think twice guys before getting a Z5, Z5C or Z5P... I thought it looked great too on paper, but in the end that phone is FAR from perfect. It feels more like a "work in progress" to me than a phone I can rely on in my day to day usage, and I'm not blaming the hardware. Sony has A LOT of work to do with its software though. That phone deserves a better firmware.
Same reason why Apple and Samsung do not update their software and/or make it so it slows down previous generation phones... To sell the next big thing. Only difference is Sony is catching up with Apple as far as locking stuff up so people cant fix the bugs. This is the problem with nexus sales, nexus 5 is still amazing because it gives developers the ability to do whatever they want to improve it, but on the other hand it hurt the sales of nexus 6, because most people didn't have the reason to pay that much. Now they have 5x and people don't have the reason to buy 6p unless they are a fan and got the means.
Its all about the mainstream sales, no one gives a **** about high end users like you and I OP, we are a mere 10% of the market and that I think is a generous assumption. All about that paper. Best way you can give the finger to Sony is not buy the phone, yapping about it here only causes devs to steer clear from it and kind of makes you, the OP a part of the problem.
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I might have been a little harsh with my language, so let me also mention that I don't disagree with OP and was merely providing the reason, which is the sales of future product.. I am actually currently looking on amazon to see if I can return mine, though I love the phone, ads and bloatware and the lack of root to be able to remove them without a proper DRM solution (nah I aint risking it for marshmallow) sucks balls, aside that I like Xperia UI and camera stuff very much. I would buy it again in a heartbeat when I see development, but I cant risk the return window.
Phazonclash said:
After a few months, the Z5 is a BIG dissapointment for me too. Coming from a Note 3 and a OnePlus One, both running a custom ROM based on CM (Temasek's builds), I'm used to see the most annoyings bugs and issues get squashed very rapidly (thanks to nightlies).
With the Z5, running stock firmware, I've learned that bugs and issues will persist for months (since October in certain cases) without a proper fix. Since I got the Z5, the phone received I think 3 or 4 updates. In all cases, all these updates did: more bloat and Sony apps I don't want and need, and had to uninstall.
Bluetooth issues? Still there. Auto-brightness? Still broken. Battery life? Still sub-par and very poor compared to my OnePlus One. UI lag and stuttering? Still exist.
No doubt the Z5 is a great phone (hardware), but the software (firmware) is so plagued with bugs and issues that Sony doesn't seem to judge important enough to fix that, honestly, I'm now considering selling that phone to get something better that actually receives REAL updates and bugfixes. As a first time Xperia owner, the impression it leaves me is that Sony seems very amateurish when it comes to providing a solid firmware that does justice to the very good phones, hardware-wise, they produce... And I've learned yesterday that Samsung (yeah that Samsung that is known for taking forever to update its phones...) is now faster than Sony to update their flagships! Shame
All I hope now it that Marshmallow (if they release it someday...) will be a more decent firmware than Lollipop is, so I can keep that phone one more year without having to replace it. My next phone WON'T be an Xperia though. I never do the same mistake twice
Good for you guys if you're happy with your Z5 (I'm sincerely glad for you), but I'm not. Mine is plagued with problems I've never encountered with any other Android phones I've owned before, even those running nightlies CM12 ROMs. And I still can't figure out why my much slower OnePlus One (Snapdragon 801 Vs 810) felt more snappy and gave me a better Android experience in general (more stable, better UI fluidity, better battery life, less bugs and annoyances, etc.)
By the way, another BIG dissapointement for me: That DRM bull**** that causes the phone to lose functionalities if you ever decide to unlock/root it. Seriously Sony? Why would you prevent me from enjoying better camera processing algorythms, X-Reality and stuff like that just because I need to unlock my bootloader to get root? That's moronic and an ass move.
Think twice guys before getting a Z5, Z5C or Z5P... I thought it looked great too on paper, but in the end that phone is FAR from perfect. It feels more like a "work in progress" to me than a phone I can rely on in my day to day usage, and I'm not blaming the hardware. Sony has A LOT of work to do with its software though. That phone deserves a better firmware.
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I totally agree with almost all your points. The battery is the one I don't agree. I'm really happy with the battery life. Specially when playing Hearthstone at 720p.
But. Add to your list the fact that I don't like the Sony camera (firmware or whatever). I used to get much better photo quality with my Nexus 5 with HDR+.
I used that phone as a main camera for a lot of trips and a lot of closeups. Now I'll have a trip in 1 month and if Marshmallow firmware doesn't improve the camera photo quality (seriously 2MP capture more details than 8MP and this one more than 20MP on this phone) I think I'll have to get an alternative camera.
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I'm sure a lot of people will disagree with me, especially if they are on one of the very few custom Roms available for this phone and it has some feature not included in stock that the user can't live without. But after going through all the trouble of rooting and installing a custom kernel and Rom and getting the Pixel XL to pass Safety Net I came to the conclusion that the benefits didn't outweigh the inconvenience and after about a week I went back to full stock.
The thing that really disappointed me after I rooted was that even on a custom kernel I still had to use the Google stock governor sched. The other governors are still there but they really shouldn't be since they don't actually work on the Pixel XL--using anything other than sched as the governor results in serious battery drain, overheating and performance issues. Not being able to change the governor to customize the performance of the phone took away one of my favorite reasons for rooting in the first place.
Then there's the fact that there will probably never be an official version of Magisk for the Pixel XL and that almost no modules work on the unofficial Pixel XL version. Or that TWRP will likely never work as well on the Pixel XL as it does on other phones. Or the fact that there is virtually no development for the Pixel XL compared with other popular flagship or mid priced phones. Or that Google seems to be using its monthly security updates to break root or cause flashing issues for people who didn't stay on stock.
I just came to the conclusion that the main benefit of a custom Rom for me on this phone was the ability to apply a dark theme with Substratum but that it wasn't ultimately worth the headaches and limitations involved with custom flashing and maintaining root on this phone. But like I said. I'm sure a lot of people disagree with me and would like to hear other opinions on the matter.
At this point I think it's very safe to say that a vibrant developer community is never going to develop for this phone. My favorite custom Rom (DU) is available for the Pixel XL and after they update to Android O maybe I will give flashing a custom Rom another go. Right now I'm just going to stay on stock.
Anyone else have any thoughts on this matter?
I don't think Google is doing anything in spite of users that like to root. They're doing their best to create a secure OS and with the exception of the effect on rooting/romming, their new dual partition update process is brilliant.
As far as the trouble to root, rom, etc, I generally agree that it's not worth the hassle, mostly because the Pixel functions so we'll out of the box and the frivolous customizations available with custom ROMs aren't worth the bugs and clunky updating process that goes with using unofficial firmware.
To me, absolutely.
1. Custom kernel settings including display color control.
2. High brightness mode for outdoor viewing.
3. Modifying system sounds, emojis, adblock
4. Viper4Android
The XL is the first Android of the many I have owned that I did not root. For quite some time I have had freezing and reboot issues with my XL. I decided to jump on the O beta release, and these issues have gone away completely. I am back to being a happy camper.
Nitemare3219 said:
To me, absolutely.
1. Custom kernel settings including display color control.
2. High brightness mode for outdoor viewing.
3. Modifying system sounds, emojis, adblock
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None of those things actually matter to me. I've also read that the functionality of Adaway o.n a rooted Pixel XL is pretty spotty, but I don't have and personal experience there. What would matter to me is being able to choose a less aggressive kernal governor to keep the phone running cooler but because of the lack of development for this phone that seems to be impossible. Even in kernels made for the Pixel none of the governors have been rewritten so they will actually function properly on the Pixel. If someone knows of a custom kernel where this isn't the case I would like to know about it. I tried L Speed and that offered no noticeable improvement in the way the kernel settings were implemented or in the CPU or battery temperatures the Pixel operates at.
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The XL is the first Android of the many I have owned that I did not root. For quite some time I have had freezing and reboot issues with my XL. I decided to jump on the O beta release, and these issues have gone away completely. I am back to being a happy camper.
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Liked Android O as well but when my phone overheated Pixel Support blamed O and said they couldn't help me further unless I downgraded to Nougat. Phone is still running too hot so I might go back to O. Got better battery life on it and my phone booted much faster.
I think under normal circumstances the time anyone would consider rooting and flashing a custom Rom is when Android is no longer officially updated for the device. I kept my Galaxy S3 updated to newer versions of Android long after Samsung stopped supporting the device. Unfortunately I think there is zero chance the Pixel will last as long as older smartphones like the Galaxy S3 or S6.
Two separate Nexus smartphones by two different manufacturers started failing in large numbers within two years because of the long term damage caused by heat. LG had the same issue with their flagship smartphone. I think that's the beginning of a trend that is going to become very familiar. I own a Nexus 6P which is one of the failing devices and there is nothing short of putting it in an oven that will make the internal temperature as high as what the Pixel operates at. If you read the XDA article on the One Plus 5 optimizing it's settings for specific benchmark applications you might have noticed the writer saying that while performing GPU intensive tasks the review version of the phone reached a SURFACE TEMPERATURE of 130F. All the writer seemed concerned about regarding that temperature is that it would make the phone uncomfortable to operate. What about what those high temperatures do to the electronic components inside the phone?
I think these expensive smartphones operate at high temperatures that are ultimately unsustainable and that we are going to be seeing a lot more of these phones failing much more quickly than people were accustomed to in the past. I expect the Pixel XL to eventually die just like the Nexus 6P did. Whether people will willingly accept paying a small fortune for electronic devices that will only work for a couple years before failing remains to be seen. I can't see myself ever buying another flagship phone like the Pixel XL that seems to be designed to fail so you will be forced to purchase a new device.
I waited to upgrad from 6.0.1 until 7.1.2 was released because of all the negative feedback I heard from 7.0 users. The second I upgraded I noticed not only was my system way less responsive, but people were complaining constantly about my voice going in and out; sounding like I was close and then far away. I read up on the noise cancelling mic issues where people claimed it was faulty hardware, but it cade no sense to me that it would break the second I did my upgrade. I have used countless ROMs, Kernels, and fixes to try and regain the speed, battery life, and voice quality of 6.0.1 with no acceptable result. Although, the problems weren't big enough for me to care so I got used to using my $25 wired headset when talking to people and the general lack of responsiveness and battery life that Android 6.0.1 had.
Then the early shut down issue hit me a few days ago and without acception my phone would shut down anywhere between 45-20% and would refuse to turn on until I charged it for a bit which was completely unacceptable. I called google and they said because I didn't buy the phone from them that I would have to go through Huawei for an RMA. Upon learning that I would be without a phone for roughly 3 weeks up to 2 months I decided to take matters into my own hands. I researched how to replace the battery and ordered all the necessary tools and a replacement battery. The next day I stumbled across a post claiming that it is all software and not hardware where the user fixed all their problems by downgrading back to Android 6.0.1. I decided to give it a shot and since the downgrade I have had no issues with my voice quality when speaking to people through the main mic and the noise cancelling mic is now doing its job perfectly again, the increase in overall system and app speed and responsiveness is quite pronounced, and the biggest kicker of all is that I have NO battery issues. The battery lasts longer and does not shut down until it is truly dead.
It is completely unacceptable that Google has left us N6P owners with faulty software that has taken up our time and money and it is also clear they know that it is a software issue as many people are reporting that Google is straight up refunding them the full purchase price of the device instead of offering an RMA; there is no other reason to do this other than the knowledge that these issues are not hardware based and in fact software based.
So, I am stuck with a flagship phone from Google because I bought it retail instead of from their store that can't even run the latest software which is why I have always bought Nexus devices in the first place. This is completely unacceptable and I wish I lived in the USA where the class action law suite is being put together and they are scrambling to playcate their customers while those of us outside of the USA are left completely dead in the water on this issue.
As a community what can we do to put the pressure on Google and make them understand that this is a completely unacceptable situation? Us loyal Google/Android customers have been screwed pretty hard with the N6P....
tl;dr - If you have mic or battery issues a downgrade to 6.0.1 should fix them for you instead of having to pay for it to be fixed or fix it yourself and we should let googe know the current state of affairs is unacceptable for us N6P users!
What do you all think?
A downgrade does not fix the early shutdown issues. Only a new battery will.
hi, I just got the opportunity to update my G6 software to V11g. I know that it has come earlier in other European countries. Are there any opinions about the new version of the software?
I haven't really noticed any difference.
It is good when it is not whorst than before at least they do not broke anything. How long are you using V11g version?
Just got OTA update of 11g from EE UK Security patch date 6 Nov 2017.
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I dont see any differences, but some members view a better speed shot on take pictures, and better quality.
Yeah i noticed some extra features with face recognition. And i find battery improvements aswell. On V11G for couple of days. Thanks for the hint with camera coyot, i will check that out.
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I dont see any differences, but some members view a better speed shot on take pictures, and better quality.
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+1. Camera seems faster and crisper. Worth the update.
Haven't seen the battery improvement though.
Norway here. Got it a few days ago, although I check manually as a developer. No difference noticed. Haven't tested the camera improvements, if noticeable. The software is stable and no reason to not upgrade, in fact you should of course as it's an Android security patch update.
Kind of hoping this includes some under the hood stuff that'll makes it more ready for Oreo. The fact that they've held it back at 7.0 made me think they worked on Oreo as fast as possible.
My Galaxy S II has 7.1.2 LOL... LineageOS. As a developer there are of course some news in the APIs in 7.1 and 7.1.2 I wouldn't mind being able to test on a physical device, but really nothing that the emulator doesn't do as it's just software changes for my apps.
Since LG manufactures the Pixel 2 it would be nice if just Google gave them right to use that software minus the stuff only the Pixel can do. The software on the LG G6 is very stock anyway. It's the only non-Google phone I've had where all the extra settings, which are not many and don't bloat the device, are actually useful and some very nice to have over stock AOSP. Kind of LineageOS. Some LG apps I don't use, but they can be disabled. Otherwise I actually use the stock phone/contacts app (same app), SMS/MMS app and Calendar app. They're just fine. Was kind of surprised when I found out one can change the location of the floating action button by holding and moving. It was at the center which is not standard behaviour. To the right it goes and it positions perfectly at the right place according to Material guidelines.
This is my first post here, and the first time I've bought a non-Google device, as it was affordable and got good reviews like the newer V30 IIRC the name. My Nexus 5 died although it was still under the 5 year warranty by law in Norway as long as it's not your fault and then they have to prove the failure is really your fault. A humidity sensor far away from the Wi-Fi chip going off isn't enough. Then they must prove that changing that part fixes the Wi-Fi. Anyway my Nexus 5 got the infamous Wi-Fi chip bug where the chip loses physical connections to the motherboard. Managed to fix it with various recipes here, from physicial pressure with tape to oven baking. But last oven baking killed it after it had worked several days (and I tried again). I'm living in Spain, had to go back to Norway before mid November to claim 5 year warranty, but didn't have that patience. As people today are so stupid and buys ever increasing costly phones, while prices for components of course goes down as the technology inside today really are small increments. Profit. People thinking the more expensive the more status basically. I'm sad Android OEMs have jumped on the iPhone price range but understandable from OEMs standpoint if they sell. Anyway with Nova Launcher and emulators I can test the important new stuff in Oreo (API 26 and 27).
Hope LG keeps delivering phones at a reasonable price as we had Android flagships before, and with much less bloat than Samsung for instance, we just need Oreo. AFAIK LG has promised 2 major updates for 2017 flagships, so at least Android 9. Correct me if I'm wrong. After that it'll be LineageOS, and then I assume there's a good camera substitution. I don't throw away perfectly working phones. Great camera (iPhone 6-7 friends jealous at least), water proofed, good battery life, expandable storage, headphone jack, great fast charging that surprises me still (although I still miss my wireless charging and my luxury charger is collecting dust after my Nexus 5 died), etc. Bought this autumn I'll have warranty until 2021, so if it stops working I'll just go to any store in Norway selling LG phones, and meanwhile they'll have to give you a similar good phone. If they can't repair it (for example lack of parts being old) and can't prove it's your fault, your warranty right is a new phone being just as good that year, say 2020, like the LG G6 was. Would mean an LG flagship for free that year usually, you usually get a choice though, but it must be as good, that years early flagship from some Android OEM. Like an "LG G9" or whatever. I won't try to fix this myself. Just use my backup phones meanwhile, although old, runs LineageOS pretty well, actually better than stock. Got the Samsung Galaxy Nexus and LG Nexus 4 still. My 5 got fried as said.
What I miss from my Nexus 5 is really wireless charging. Bought a luxury charger. So convenient. Where I naturally put my phone down I'm used to put it in the charger right there. The going away from wireless charging was a true surprise... But now that iPhone has it, even the standard (yeah wow, but not a fast charger in the box, that's an LOL!), it'll be in new Android flagships released in 2018 and forward for sure. So convenient it'll be when all places like airports, coffee shops etc all have charging pads at your table. Most pads are really cheap and surely will be getting cheaper, probably many non-OEMs producing a ton right now "compatible with the iPhone 8" but it'll work for everyone.
I wish all EU/EEA countries would adopt Norway's warranty ("reklamasjonsrett") with 5 years for all consumer good from sofas to phones. There's a 2 year warranty for batteries, but when the battery is built-in and you can not change the battery yourself without breaking the manufacturers warranty, the Norwegian law again trumps the manufacturer's and the 5 year warranty kicks in (just did it with my GFs Garmin Watch, didn't even have to pay for transport, which is usual, about 4 USD, because it had to be sent another country, so she got a completely new device, but everything synced to the cloud so setup back to the old one was a sync away, and it was clearly a battery failure as it worked perfectly when plugged in and died immediately when disconnected), because then it's a part of the device. The manufacturer's warranty only counts for the things they offer that are better than the Norwegian one, which usually are none. Sometimes it can be, like iPhone users buying extra warranty, but the 5 year general warranty still counts regarding general failure of the device.
To h*** with planned obsolescence. We even see it here. Working at the country's IT agency we see many devices fail just after or just before 5 years (that accurate they can't always be). But a company, everything from a one man company to a big company, only gets the standard manufacturer's warranty, but as a small country the devices are the same, for consumers and companies (designed for the Norwegian market because of our warranty), except products sold only to companies. So it's weird to see printers fail JUST after 5 years, googling it and seeing people from the US have the same device fail after 1-2 years and EU like the UK users having the device fail after 2 years. We're talking thousands of devices, as I developed the inventory system for Norway's IT agency, and I see a clear pattern. It's no anecdote.
Since the recent update VoLTE seems to work for T-Mobile Germany
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I didnt notice not very big difference ...
But... One of the major things im noticed.... Its seems like lg has improved the cpu/gpu governors ... The whole phone is now aboslutely fluid ....and also its using more than before deepsleep... No battery/performance mods installed, only magisk and some minor tweaks like youtube vanced and viper + dual speaker mod... Even with around 80 apps its not laggy ... Scrolling now is also more fluid... so ... The update is in my opinion must have.... :laugh:
So scrolling is better now? Is that possible?
Phone was fluid even before the update.
Biggest thing i noticed is that the battery life is improved ?
oh the placebo effect in this thread..
For me it is not that fluid when scrolling in apps like Instagram, Facebook etc.
I have poor battery now, and nothing good
Waiting Oreo
Funny, in the Mideast region the 11g update improved battery life.
From unplugging when leaving the house , after 9 hours of light use at work usually have 80% battery left.
This is my first android phone and I am using it out of box (nothing installed to improve phone performance) I got the feeling that the battery is little bit better and phone is little bit "more fluid".
MartinIrrelevant said:
Hey...
I didnt notice not very big difference ...
But... One of the major things im noticed.... Its seems like lg has improved the cpu/gpu governors ... The whole phone is now aboslutely fluid ....and also its using more than before deepsleep... No battery/performance mods installed, only magisk and some minor tweaks like youtube vanced and viper + dual speaker mod... Even with around 80 apps its not laggy ... Scrolling now is also more fluid... so ... The update is in my opinion must have.... :laugh:
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Hello, can yoi give me a link for the "dual speaker mode" please ? Its work great ? Thanks
Sent from my LG G6 using XDA Labs
Hey ...
Yes... Im using it with viper... (Only extra loud and speaker optimization .. because im to lazy to set it up)
Hows the sound ?.... I have no device to compare, for me it sounds good, but im buying next days a bluetooth speaker because my car has no radio xD
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg...aker-mod-lg-g6-variants-t3632943/post74195106
You need root browser to install ...
Just backup the original mixer_paths_tasha.xml from system/etc and then copy and paste the new file in system/etc
Hey guys, Ive noticed that older devices like oneplus 5t and newer devices like oneplus 7 have better developer support . However, OP6T does not seem to get such love from the devs. Why is that so??
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=80538403&postcount=3533
I'll do my best to explain my understanding:
In this current month, OnePlus is pushing out two new phones (7T and 7T Pro) and working on supporting the smart TV they just released in India. The OnePlus 6T is not their primary focus by any standard. They're busy keeping the 7 and 7T series as current as possible to push their sales. I'm not a software developer, and I don't know how big OnePlus' development team is, nor do I know what they're tasked with. I was eager to experience Android 10 on the 6T myself, but the newer devices come first in terms of software support. That's part of the reason why you don't see development moving along very quickly. For the 6T, we don't have official Android 10-based firmware or proper sources to build with. What kinda development is gonna pop up when you have no sources to work with? Not much, I'll tell ya that.
I think op is asking about custom rom support and if so there is one simple answer. There is no need because oos is THAT GOOD! Put that in your survey. And as far as custom roms go the OP 6T has quite a few good choices when compared to the 7 which has almost zero.
Short answer? It's almost a year old. In the "smartphone" world...that's old
Indisplay FP was a massive hold up on top of their quick model releases hence op6 having more options
Hi, I'm just sign in to say calm down, guys, android 10 will officially come this month, check the oneplus telegram channel. Why is this late? 3 reasons here:
Oneplus 7
Oneplus 7t (yes, newer devices always come first when it is about updates)
officially claimed errors in developing the ROM and they don't want to release a piece of sh** as other manufacturers do in order to rush updates --> they want to release an update that can give us that buttery smooth user experienxe we all got used to
Maybe this is a little shortsighted, but I think the wiping the entire device and losing your data thing scares a lot of people away from switching back and forth on this phone and probably slowed the demand down for more custom ROMs. It's very time consuming and easy to screw up if you don't do it all the time. The slow data speed of the USB-c port also plays a role in how slow it is to back up stuff to your PC and then load everything back up after.
I know other OP phones have this issue too, but combine that with the fingerprint problem and the quick release of OP phones since the 6t came out, I think you have a perfect storm of people just happy enough with OOS, and maybe jumping to the beta program.
Having come from a lot of other phone brands in the past, there is a lot less clamoring for certain custom ROMs because people actually like OOS, versus whatever Samsung, LG, or HTC put out in years past. Just my opinion though.
Google implementation is not always the best Devs try to do the best but sometimes things not help in this case the encryption by hardware plus partitions a/b and the massive headache for most people and devs trying to make things a lot easier for example look here OP6T Custom Roms everyone has different flashing instructions……make sense? And maybe One Plus is to pay the Google failures implementing things that in the long run need be reverted well this is my opinion in Android world
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Maybe this is a little shortsighted, but I think the wiping the entire device and losing your data thing scares a lot of people away from switching back and forth on this phone and probably slowed the demand down for more custom ROMs. It's very time consuming and easy to screw up if you don't do it all the time. The slow data speed of the USB-c port also plays a role in how slow it is to back up stuff to your PC and then load everything back up after.
I know other OP phones have this issue too, but combine that with the fingerprint problem and the quick release of OP phones since the 6t came out, I think you have a perfect storm of people just happy enough with OOS, and maybe jumping to the beta program.
Having come from a lot of other phone brands in the past, there is a lot less clamoring for certain custom ROMs because people actually like OOS, versus whatever Samsung, LG, or HTC put out in years past. Just my opinion though.
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I personally hate OOS - crappy UI and battery guzzler.
I cant change fonts , no theme support etc without root unlike many manufacturers like Huawei and Samsung.
Plus, the so called "speed" is not there on my phone - stock oos is laggy af
The only custom ROM that seems to work in a stable fashion (except fingerprints) is cr droid - other roms dont seem to work and always fail to install on my Oneplus 6T.
I regret buying this phone - i had the oneplus one earlier and it still has better rom support despite being obsolete.
I shall never buy a OnePlus again - maybe Samsung or Huawei it is for the next time..
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I personally hate OOS - crappy UI and battery guzzler.
I cant change fonts , no theme support etc without root unlike many manufacturers like Huawei and Samsung.
Plus, the so called "speed" is not there on my phone - stock oos is laggy af
The only custom ROM that seems to work in a stable fashion (except fingerprints) is cr droid - other roms dont seem to work and always fail to install on my Oneplus 6T.
I regret buying this phone - i had the oneplus one earlier and it still has better rom support despite being obsolete.
I shall never buy a OnePlus again - maybe Samsung or Huawei it is for the next time..
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I have to respectfully disagree. I know everyone's experience is their own and all have varying opinions on software.
However, OOS is highly regarded as one of the best "stock" Android operating systems on the market. It's very close to vanilla Android as what the pixel devices run. I've been a Nexus/pixel user since the Nexus 5 and left the Google line to check out this whole OnePlus hype that came with a smaller price tag.
I regret nothing about purchasing this phone. OOS is phenomenal. It's basically vanilla Android with subtle improvements in the UI that just make sense and create a more fluid experience without thinking about it. The RAM on this phone is ridiculous and has a ton of speed. My pixel use to get hot all the time with intense use....I can't remember the last time my 6t heated up on me (keep in mind I don't game on my phone).
As for third party development, I think we have it pretty good. There's at least 5 stable custom ROMs to choose from and hell I lost count on the kernels. I'm running skydragon ROM and easily push over 7hrs of SOT daily. Easily change system fonts and colors.
Not to mention edXposed is a thing now. You can run Xposed on stock OOS install gravity box (the king of themeing) and make your phone look ENTIRELY different.
All I'm trying to say is, we have it pretty damn good. I'll be running and crack flashing this phone for at least another year.
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I have to respectfully disagree. I know everyone's experience is their own and all have varying opinions on software.
However, OOS is highly regarded as one of the best "stock" Android operating systems on the market. It's very close to vanilla Android as what the pixel devices run. I've been a Nexus/pixel user since the Nexus 5 and left the Google line to check out this whole OnePlus hype that came with a smaller price tag.
I regret nothing about purchasing this phone. OOS is phenomenal. It's basically vanilla Android with subtle improvements in the UI that just make sense and create a more fluid experience without thinking about it. The RAM on this phone is ridiculous and has a ton of speed. My pixel use to get hot all the time with intense use....I can't remember the last time my 6t heated up on me (keep in mind I don't game on my phone).
As for third party development, I think we have it pretty good. There's at least 5 stable custom ROMs to choose from and hell I lost count on the kernels. I'm running skydragon ROM and easily push over 7hrs of SOT daily. Easily change system fonts and colors.
Not to mention edXposed is a thing now. You can run Xposed on stock OOS install gravity box (the king of themeing) and make your phone look ENTIRELY different.
All I'm trying to say is, we have it pretty damn good. I'll be running and crack flashing this phone for at least another year.
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Well maybe your phone won the silicon lottery- cuz my phone doesn't seem to be as fast as its competition.
I have the 8 gig ram model - just below the McLaren edition. It has had issues from the time I've bought it - constant lag , overheating while on oos.
I took.it.for diagnosis to oneplus service centre - they had no clue as to what was happening!
Then, what i decided to.do was to search for custom ROMs . I found that there were no stable ROMs and i had to bear the stock rom till i found a semi stable build of cr droid. What i feel is that ever since oneplus has released this specific phone, they have gone lax on software and have stopped actually innovating (not in terms of hardware, in terms of their initial outreach for solid budget friendly nexus esque devices that have unfortunately imo now bloated into the expensive POS gimmicks they sell now.)
Just in case you want to know what oos i had , i had oos 9.0.10. I couldn't even play any YouTube or audio, forget phonecalls.
But that might not.be the case for you - chinese phones tend to follow this trend of lottery and maybe the way people use their phones varies.
Haha, there is plenty of development. Those talking about Huawei and Samsung, buy one of their new phones and see how much development there is....
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Haha, there is plenty of development. Those talking about Huawei and Samsung, buy one of their new phones and see how much development there is....
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Atleast their phones can play youtube on stock rom ha ha
chcheetah said:
Well maybe your phone won the silicon lottery- cuz my phone doesn't seem to be as fast as its competition.
I have the 8 gig ram model - just below the McLaren edition. It has had issues from the time I've bought it - constant lag , overheating while on oos.
I took.it.for diagnosis to oneplus service centre - they had no clue as to what was happening!
Then, what i decided to.do was to search for custom ROMs . I found that there were no stable ROMs and i had to bear the stock rom till i found a semi stable build of cr droid. What i feel is that ever since oneplus has released this specific phone, they have gone lax on software and have stopped actually innovating (not in terms of hardware, in terms of their initial outreach for solid budget friendly nexus esque devices that have unfortunately imo now bloated into the expensive POS gimmicks they sell now.)
Just in case you want to know what oos i had , i had oos 9.0.10. I couldn't even play any YouTube or audio, forget phonecalls.
But that might not.be the case for you - chinese phones tend to follow this trend of lottery and maybe the way people use their phones varies.
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Hi, McLaren user here.
Before buying this device I was using Pixel 2XL, my 6T destroys it completely in performance, I know 835 vs 845 isn't a fair comparison, but the difference is too much to blame the processor, a thing as simple as taking a picture is an extremely slow process in my Pixel because when I open the camera app I have to wait 3-4 seconds to take the picture (The app opens, but the viewfinder is black and the shutter button can't be pressed) while with this device it's: open the camera and the app is ready to take the picture, and the performance in general (Transitions, apps opening, etc, etc) is much better on this device, I don't remember having lag or some kind of slowdown on this device (You should never say never, but I think that this case could be an exception), I'm not a "light" user, I use my device for work, studies and life in general.
I only remember one episode of overheating and it was my fault (Summer, the device was charging and I had the great idea of playing asfalt 8, yes you can call me dumb lol). Maybe it's a hardware problem? It seems too strange to me, I know many people with this device and the only problems in common are: The terrible memory management that OOS does, and the quality of the camera.
Regarding custom roms: for almost two months I was using AOSIP 9 + Neutrino, and I was very happy, I even had the feeling that the fingerprint sensor worked better in that rom than in OOS and the memory management great (A huge amount of apps loaded in memory without any problem, that was a pleasure), a week ago I flashed AOSIP 10 and I was quite surprised, obviously it was not as stable as 9 but I was expecting something worse sincerely, I went back to OOS because the safetynet failed and I use Google Pay quite often, but ignoring that problem I think I could use it as a daily driver without major problems.
I think my comments seem very pro-OnePlus but my experience with this device is very good, and as I said before I find the problems you have very strange, maybe you should send the device to OnePlus again, saying that you have some super strange problem or something so so weird like: hey, my device starts lagging and then shuts down randomly, I don't know, maybe you are lucky and they send you a new one.
Edit: Answering the main thread question:
The OnePlus 6 had many users, and the 6 > 6T change was not a great evolution, then the 7 and 7Pro were released, so many switched to that device.
In addition, the on-screen fingerprint sensor was something new, Android did not support it natively and each OEM opted for its own implementation, OnePlus made a somewhat strange implementation by calling it somehow, phhusson did reverse engineering of the Xiaomi HAL and made great contributions to this device, that helped a lot, but perhaps those contributions came too late, OnePlus 7 was very close to being launched and many people were waiting for it to make the swtich.
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Hi, McLaren user here.
Before buying this device I was using Pixel 2XL, my 6T destroys it completely in performance, I know 835 vs 845 isn't a fair comparison, but the difference is too much to blame the processor, a thing as simple as taking a picture is an extremely slow process in my Pixel, and the performance in general (Transitions, apps opening, etc, etc) is much better on this device, I don't remember having lag or some kind of slowdown on this device (You should never say never, but I think that this case could be an exception), I'm not a "light" user, I use my device for work, studies and life in general.
I only remember one episode of overheating and it was my fault (Summer, the device was charging and I had the great idea of playing asfalt 8, yes you can call me dumb lol). Maybe it's a hardware problem? It seems too strange to me, I know many people with this device and the only problems in common are: The terrible memory management that OOS does, and the quality of the camera.
Regarding custom roms: for almost two months I was using AOSIP 9 + Neutrino, and I was very happy, I even had the feeling that the fingerprint sensor worked better in that rom than in OOS and the memory management great (A huge amount of apps loaded in memory without any problem, that was a pleasure), a week ago I flashed AOSIP 10 and I was quite surprised, obviously it was not as stable as 9 but I was expecting something worse sincerely, I went back to OOS because the safetynet failed and I use Google Pay quite often, but ignoring that problem I think I could use it as a daily driver without major problems.
I think my comments seem very pro-OnePlus but my experience with this device is very good, and as I said before I find the problems you have very strange, maybe you should send the device to OnePlus again, saying that you have some super strange problem or something so so weird like: hey, my device starts lagging and then shuts down randomly, I don't know, maybe you are lucky and they send you a new one.
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Hmm your suggestion sounds right - lemme try contacting the OnePlus service centre again.
I honestly love the look and feel of the OnePlus 6T ( i have the mirror black- almost similar to McLaren except for the lack of orange shimmer) but the constant lag and overheating made me write such a negative view of the device.
Plus , sadly the dev scene is not so hot as their older phone ( Remember OnePlus One - how cool the modding scene was for that phone )