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I've had the HTC Hero since launch in October and I've loved it. But three things have really bothered me about it. One is the fact that they are constantly delaying the new firmware and the second is that my battery life has gotten worse and I've tried all that I can to fix it. The third thing is the lag that can happen, especially when I want to make calls, can be frustrating. So I've heard about the use of custom ROMS and I feel like finally transitioning over to them. What I want to know is what exactly I have to do in order to be able to load up a custom ROM? This might be a noobish question but the last thing I wanna do is brick my phone by making a stupid mistake.
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I've had the HTC Hero since launch in October and I've loved it. But three things have really bothered me about it. One is the fact that they are constantly delaying the new firmware and the second is that my battery life has gotten worse and I've tried all that I can to fix it. The third thing is the lag that can happen, especially when I want to make calls, can be frustrating. So I've heard about the use of custom ROMS and I feel like finally transitioning over to them. What I want to know is what exactly I have to do in order to be able to load up a custom ROM? This might be a noobish question but the last thing I wanna do is brick my phone by making a stupid mistake.
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Read the FAQ's and wikis posted at the top of the forum. Once you get passed those you should be able to ask the 'right' questions
Basic steps are:
Root phone
Install recovery image
Flash rom
The wiki has steps for those...and I seriously recommend reading through the thread of whatever ROM you choose.
And before you ask: The choice of ROM is up to you. They all have good points and bad points, so don't create a thread asking which is the best...it's pretty subjective.
Damageless' great set of instructions.
Here is an excerpt from his instructions:
I have compiled this guide from the other one posted on this forum, the discussion therein, and my own knowledge. If you have any suggestions on making it better or to correct any mistakes I may have made please let me know.
This guide is intended for Windows and includes detailed instructions. It will cover the steps necessary to root, flash the new recovery image, create a full backup. This will work with software versions 1.29.651.1 and 1.56.651.2. I am not responsible for any damage done to your phone using this guide. Root at your own risk.
I have put to together a video on YouTube for you to follow along as well.
Links are attached in the .txt file.
I have used the Fresh and Damage ROM's and they are very good. Everything does seem snappier, but I still get the phone keypad lag which is very, very troublesome and not noticeably different from the stock. Others have claim no lag, and so YMMD.
There are many neat things about the modded ROM's, but there doesn't seem to be much to be done about the phone lag. Not good, since first and foremost I expect the Hero to be a *phone*.
smw6180 said:
Read the FAQ's and wikis posted at the top of the forum. Once you get passed those you should be able to ask the 'right' questions
Basic steps are:
Root phone
Install recovery image
Flash rom
The wiki has steps for those...and I seriously recommend reading through the thread of whatever ROM you choose.
And before you ask: The choice of ROM is up to you. They all have good points and bad points, so don't create a thread asking which is the best...it's pretty subjective.
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Thanks everyone. Dont worry, I wanted to do my own research on the ROM's anyways.
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Here is an excerpt from his instructions:
I have compiled this guide from the other one posted on this forum, the discussion therein, and my own knowledge. If you have any suggestions on making it better or to correct any mistakes I may have made please let me know.
This guide is intended for Windows and includes detailed instructions. It will cover the steps necessary to root, flash the new recovery image, create a full backup. This will work with software versions 1.29.651.1 and 1.56.651.2. I am not responsible for any damage done to your phone using this guide. Root at your own risk.
I have put to together a video on YouTube for you to follow along as well.
Links are attached in the .txt file.
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Didnt mean to double post but doesnt the first link already cover the second link because I found a nandroid file after rooting
Hi, my phone now is working and all ( the is it bricked post) Thanks guys
Here is the new problem...I would like to go to 2.2.1 ( the passimg.zip is 2.2) is there a way to update without unlocking bootloader.
I tried Androot and superoneclick....Androot gives me the Fugu message and SuperOneClick says its Rooted...but when I go to rom manager or other apps that need superuser...
I get this message : An error occured while attemting to run privileged commands!
So basically Root isn't working.
Also, when trying to install Cyan cm6...Rom manager reboots...but I get the Triangle with the exclamation point with the green man next to it...
Is it still possible to have my cake and eat it? ( locked phone, with root access so I can install modded roms)
Again...can someone help me with this
Thanks!
You didn't have to make a duplicate post. I already answered one of your questions in the other thread.
Dont make another post next time...
I rooted FRG83D with superoneclick root, But if its not working for ya you will have to unlock the bootloader via fastboot. Then push a custom recovery. With the recovery you can install the su binaries.
Manual root:
http://www.nexusoneforum.net/forum/...mple-sdk-setup-manual-root-guide-windows.html
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App
Ok i'll only answer here now for this question:
I don't want to loose my warranty. Hence the softroot way.
I thought of something dunno if its possible:
is there a stock FRG83 image like the FRG33 I just installed....maybe 2.2.1 will be compatible with androot or superoneclick
Thanks
You need to do a few things before you go any further. There are key steps you are leaving out that are just a recipe for disaster. I'll detail them below, in the specific order you should follow them. There shall be no deviation from this list.
1 - Put your phone down. Seriously, stop messing with it. Just quit.
2 - Read the Wiki that you've been linked to, in both threads, several times.
2a - Now that you've read the Wiki, really read the Wiki. Yeah, you skimmed it the first time, I know you did.
2b - Now go read it again. I'm sure you'll notice something new this time.
2c - Now go read the links in the Wiki. Explore those threads.
2d - Those threads that the Wiki links to? They have links in them. Go read those.
3 - Rinse and repeat all steps from 2a to 2d for, oh, about 4 days. During this time you are allowed:
To post general chit chat on the forum. No technical stuff, no help threads, no questions. Just read. If you have questions, you need to read some more.
No more than 3 app installs per day, from the market. Thou shalt not download and install any APKs from any source that is not the Android Market.
To tweak settings on your phone, provided those settings are all done via the touchscreen on your phone. You shall forget the acronym "ADB".
Once you've done that, you'll root your phone in no time, and you won't be worried that you've bricked it. Then, and only then, can you start asking questions.
Why? Because all of your questions right now are answered. You're jumping the gun, and it's obvious you haven't done much research at all. Seriously, go read.
I hate to be mean, but if you want to understand stuff, you need to try and understand it on your own first. You're here looking for solutions (that are already spelled out) to problems that you created (because you didn't read anything). Quit looking for the easy way out. If you want to enjoy your phone and the features of what you're trying to accomplish...put some work in yourself, and stop expecting everyone else to fix everything and spell it out. People here are more than happy to help, but you gotta start helping yourself.
@Soberguy: Thumbs up to you. Couldn't have said it any better.
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@Soberguy: Thumbs up to you. Couldn't have said it any better.
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Thanks, mate. Didn't mean to quote the guy above me, just noticed I did that. Fixed it.
I'm amazed at the patience some folks have. Maybe it was my rough 3 day weekend that's left me a bit short... Appreciate the thanks, all the same.
Ok, I do go a bit fast.
I'll read...it just that I tried the cm7 mod ( i know its experimental) and the phone
would'nt boot.
With the help of the great people on the board, I got my phone working again but on FRG33 (2.2)
My last question was if it was possible ( or someone knows of because Ive checked the net) to root without unlocking ( androot and superoneclick that i know of) if I have FRG33 ( Because Ive been getting permission errors)
Finally, I wanted to know if a FRG83 stock image was available so that I could recover to it without unlocking bootloader. (or any other stock that lets me root without unlock)
I'll unlock the phone as a last option...I'm sorry...And if anyone is pissed at my posts ...well sorry I just taught some of you experts could help.
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Ok, I do go a bit fast.
I'll unlock the phone as a last option...I'm sorry...And if anyone is pissed at my posts ...well sorry I just taught some of you experts could help.
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See? Looking for the easy way out again.
It's not about anyone being pissed or short on patience. Look at how frustrated you are with the situation. You're frustrated. Why? Cause you did it wrong. Why? Cause you didn't read enough first. Even after several suggestions, you still want it done, with help, right now, or you'll sulk about someone pissed and how no one held your hand through it.
Is it possible to do what you want? Absolutely! Pretty easy, too. But if you read and help yourself, you'll better understand how to update in the future, as well as how to root the future update. Or, you'll learn how to root what you have, and flash a pre-rooted stock ROM (yes, those are here as well).
So call me an ass, cool. You did in your mind, that's fine. But really, I'm trying to let you know what will help you the most, and that's having a better understanding of how to prevent a boot loop in the future, or at least how to fix it if it happens. Best of luck, man.
Sent from my Sexy Nexy, courtesy of the fine developers of Tapatalk
Here's the deal.
I did a one click root without unlocking the bootloader. Then I installed rom manager and flashed clockwork recovery. Then I did a backup ( both done in rom manager) then I went back into rom manager and installed cyanogenmod 7 and my nexus is now haxored gingerbread. Make sure you do a full wipe before flashing new roms and it'll always work.
I didn't update my radio, my hboot or anything like that. And it all just works and is dead simple. I would suggest trying z4root or universal androot and then downloading rom manager from the market.
How you managed to **** up something so simple is pretty funny dude.
I'm using an at&t band n1 with an smiled. Not the one with super LCD. I heard a rumor that the super LCD n1s have problems with certain mods. You might want to figure out what type of screen you have too.
The cyanogenmod wiki at cyanogenmod.com might help you too.
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OP, you have to learn the hard way. Stop using "newbie" as an excuse.
I was also a "newbie" when I first got my Nexus One in February. Everything about android was new and alien to me. It actually took me a couple of months of lurking in xda and reading up on tutorials before I took the plunge to rooting my phone. And I did not bother anyone on that. I made sure I understood the steps and triple checked every move I made in following instructions even though I did not understand them.
I also was worried about warranty and actually did the manual way of rooting my phone without unlocking the bootloader using some method that involved cutting a piece of plastic from my battery. That was nerve wrecking and no where as simple as the superoneclick thingy you have now. Yet I survived and I did it on my own.
I must admit that you have to be a little bit confident in using computers and have some basic knowledge of typing commands in cmd. But everyone has to start from somewhere.
Seriously if it's too much trouble or too complicated, maybe staying stock or going Iphone is a more comfortable alternative.
I'm actually pretty good with computers...
Also, I have bricked 4 phones (the provider took them back) fooling around...
I could brought this one back ( they didnt check). But I want to learn...I'm pretty impulsif...Anyway so far
With FRG33 z4root works (read thanks)
Now I trying to flash clockwork...( when I download cyan 6 +google apps) it reboots but I get the triangle thingy...I click power volume up ( read that thanks) I get a blue menu...I kinda scared to click an option so I rebooted...I'm trying to use rom manager for updates because its really simple ...anyway
Thats it for tonight All of you guys are nice dudes and I'll learn and will try to help im my own way...I know I'm a newbie that likes short cuts (hell I read all day at my day job...lol) This is fun ( playing with male toys)
Thanks guys!
hi,
I want to root my Desire Z as I would like to use Titanium Back Up Pro. I have checked thru the threads here. And, well, I am totally confused.
On TheRomMistress's great sticky there are 27 guides with at least 11 dealing with rooting the phone. Some of these guides refer you to other guides and these refer you to yet more guides for various reasons (updates etc).
I know a lot of the guides were initially worked out before the whole NAND lock was cleared up.
So my question is which guide should a noob follow to get root?
I love the whole android experience, love Sense and think my phone is all shiny, sparkly etc. I may want at a later stage to try out some of the other ROMs but so far I really love stock (heck, my previous phone was a windows 2003 Magician with BigStorage courtesy of XDA!!). I just want to be able to back it up.
Thanks for your help guys.
personally i used this guide:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=843014
worked well once i had reset my phone and made sure my sd card was clean. Read up on adb before you attempt though so you know what is happening at each stage, it makes the whole process easier. And if things don't work as expected you'll be able to sort it.
The method listed in the official Wiki is the one recommended by most people nowadays: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#OTA_Updates.
It is generally considered the "safe" way to attempt root at this point. There were reports of semi-bricks caused by the permroot function in Visionary so general consensus is not to use it. For other guides (such as the one linked to earlier), if you have a typo while flashing the engineering HBOOT, you could cause a semi-brick as well (though if you follow the instructions carefully, it shouldn't be a problem).
A typo with the Wiki method shouldn't lead to a semi-brick though. It also has the added benefits of not only giving you root, but also true radio S-OFF, SuperCID, and subsidy unlock (if your phone was originally locked to a specific carrier).
That being said, as long as you read carefully and follow instructions, you should be fine following most any of the guides.
thanks guys for the answers and sorry for my delay in replying. The wife came home with a new netbook that she "needs". I do get the joy of setting up something I'll never get to use. Yay!! hmmmm
I'll read thru all this and hope to try this out over the weekend.
Again thanks guys.
Just use gfree method, its painless
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App
Sorry for responding so late, just wanted to say thanks again. Took me ages to get around to doing this. Work just went crazy busy Again thanks for your help guys.
Hi everyone, first time posting, but I usually look around the forums every now and again. I was planning to root my s4 from Fido. I never rooted or had experience with it but I'd like to do it. I have a few questions about it first though. Since I already downloaded the Mf3 update, is the newest root method safe? I also got the protection plan from future shop which I'd like to keep since my old phone did break and i used it to get my s4. I doubt it covers a rooted phone, so is there any way to reset it back to original factory settings or make it look like it, if i need to bring it back to them. (my last phone stopped recognizing micro sd cards) And are custom roms better than the stock? I read about how they are like a complete new OS for the phone and completely changes how the device feels. Thanks for any help.
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Hi everyone, first time posting, but I usually look around the forums every now and again. I was planning to root my s4 from Fido. I never rooted or had experience with it but I'd like to do it. I have a few questions about it first though. Since I already downloaded the Mf3 update, is the newest root method safe? I also got the protection plan from future shop which I'd like to keep since my old phone did break and i used it to get my s4. I doubt it covers a rooted phone, so is there any way to reset it back to original factory settings or make it look like it, if i need to bring it back to them. (my last phone stopped recognizing micro sd cards) And are custom roms better than the stock? I read about how they are like a complete new OS for the phone and completely changes how the device feels. Thanks for any help.
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I'm not sure about the MF3 update. I think it probably is still rootable as the Canadian devices don't have a locked bootloader, but somebody else should confirm this. I never updated my Bell S4, because i know on the MDL it atleast works for sure, and when installing custom ROMS, you can atleast be always updated to the build of the custom ROM regardless.
I think you are fine though, i would look for the motochopper thread, and i think it would have a warning if there was any incompatibility with a certain build.
And for removing root, its simple. Use triangle away to reset your flash counter, and you can just unroot (if on stock) or odin flash to go back to stock.
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I'm not sure about the MF3 update. I think it probably is still rootable as the Canadian devices don't have a locked bootloader, but somebody else should confirm this. I never updated my Bell S4, because i know on the MDL it atleast works for sure, and when installing custom ROMS, you can atleast be always updated to the build of the custom ROM regardless.
I think you are fine though, i would look for the motochopper thread, and i think it would have a warning if there was any incompatibility with a certain build.
And for removing root, its simple. Use triangle away to reset your flash counter, and you can just unroot (if on stock) or odin flash to go back to stock.
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Yes there is a new method that came out about 2 weeks ago. Can any issues arise with it being such a new method? Sorry I'm more familiar with pc software and new sometimes has bugs, problems, etc. Motochopper doesn't work, I tried it but it just says root successful and when i try to use a rooted app it says my phone isn't rooted. As for flashing roms with odin do you know any good websites that have have a list of them and reviews, etc. Also what happens if i accept an ota update when rooted?
Questions go in Q&A. Check out this guide. Read up. Cheers.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2314494
Rooting ATT Galaxy S4 But Why Bother?
michael9441 said:
Hi everyone, first time posting, but I usually look around the forums every now and again. I was planning to root my s4 from Fido. I never rooted or had experience with it but I'd like to do it. I have a few questions about it first though. Since I already downloaded the Mf3 update, is the newest root method safe? I also got the protection plan from future shop which I'd like to keep since my old phone did break and i used it to get my s4. I doubt it covers a rooted phone, so is there any way to reset it back to original factory settings or make it look like it, if i need to bring it back to them. (my last phone stopped recognizing micro sd cards) And are custom roms better than the stock? I read about how they are like a complete new OS for the phone and completely changes how the device feels. Thanks for any help.
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Apparently ATT has locked the bootloader which means essentially that you can root all you want BUT you can't flash anything to the phone without bricking the phone. At this point, there is no way to flash this phone how you want it for the average Joe. But I ran across an article that describes how ATT has programmed this to prevent the average Joe meaning probably 98% of us from messing with the firmware. Apparently someone has succeeded in cracking this. Why can't our illustrious developers do the same? No disrespect intended here because we have some of the best such as Chainfire and Mark Skippen and others. Anyway here is the link to the article I ran across. Hope this info helps someone.:good:
http://threatpost.com/researcher-unlocks-samsung-galaxy-s4-bootloader-for-att-verizon-android-phones
Developers please take note! :good:
AHLASSICH said:
Apparently ATT has locked the bootloader which means essentially that you can root all you want BUT you can't flash anything to the phone without bricking the phone. At this point, there is no way to flash this phone how you want it for the average Joe. But I ran across an article that describes how ATT has programmed this to prevent the average Joe meaning probably 98% of us from messing with the firmware. Apparently someone has succeeded in cracking this. Why can't our illustrious developers do the same? No disrespect intended here because we have some of the best such as Chainfire and Mark Skippen and others. Anyway here is the link to the article I ran across. Hope this info helps someone.:good:
http://threatpost.com/researcher-unlocks-samsung-galaxy-s4-bootloader-for-att-verizon-android-phones
Developers please take note! :good:
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"Why can't our illustrious developers do the same"
Developers please take note!
Why are you posting an old topic. You should take note... LOKI was the method used to side step the locked bootloader on MDB and MDL firmware. This was well known in this forum and there is information about it all over. Loki still works with MDB and MDL firmware, however, the MF3 OTA (AT&T) patched the exploit that was used with LOKI. There are entire threads dedicated to the subject in the AT&T S4 forums. Trying to help people is a good thing but spreading completely out of date information can do nothing but cause confusion and harm.
I can only suggest that you start in the "General" and "Q & A" sections and read the "pinned" threads so you can update yourself on information before you make any other posts. You can find links to important posts in those "pinned" threads that will help bring you up to speed.
To the OP, only AT&T and Verizon S4s have a locked bootloader, you said you are on 'FIDO", so are you sure you are on MF3?
My Sincere Apologies!
scott14719 said:
"Why can't our illustrious developers do the same"
Developers please take note!
Why are you posting an old topic. You should take note... LOKI was the method used to side step the locked bootloader on MDB and MDL firmware. This was well known in this forum and there is information about it all over. Loki still works with MDB and MDL firmware, however, the MF3 OTA (AT&T) patched the exploit that was used with LOKI. There are entire threads dedicated to the subject in the AT&T S4 forums. Trying to help people is a good thing but spreading completely out of date information can do nothing but cause confusion and harm.
I can only suggest that you start in the "General" and "Q & A" sections and read the "pinned" threads so you can update yourself on information before you make any other posts. You can find links to important posts in those "pinned" threads that will help bring you up to speed.
To the OP, only AT&T and Verizon S4s have a locked bootloader, you said you are on 'FIDO", so are you sure you are on MF3?
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Thank you for setting me straight. I will take your advise seriously. I have read and read through the forums and I never saw this information. I suppose I will get the hang of it. I will try to be a little more diligent in my research from now on. I did not realize what a pinned thread was and I will certainly check there first from now on. I dare say it is very difficult to follow the tracks on the different posts to arrive at a correct conclusion. Very convoluted especially for a noob like me!
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Thank you for setting me straight. I will take your advise seriously. I have read and read through the forums and I never saw this information. I suppose I will get the hang of it. I will try to be a little more diligent in my research from now on. I did not realize what a pinned thread was and I will certainly check there first from now on. I dare say it is very difficult to follow the tracks on the different posts to arrive at a correct conclusion. Very convoluted especially for a noob like me!
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No problem. Part of the difficulty (as you stated) is the fact that this forum (AT&T S4) is fragmented and hard to follow. There are several different carriers with several different firmwares all being represented in one forum. That is why the pinned threads are so important. The people who maintain those threads put a lot of time into them and make sure they are constantly updated. The Q & A forum is nearly useless (besides the pinned threads in it) due to the repetitive questions clogging it up. And people not following forum rules make the other sub forums difficult to use.
Most (99%) of all of the questions people come here to ask have already been addressed (usually several times) but people don't take the time or effort to read the answers, they come here to make another post about the same stuff over and over again, which causes even more confusion.
So, if you follow the pinned threads, and a few of the threads that tend to stay towards the top of the "General" section, you will be up to date on most things dealing with the S4s covered in this forum. Good luck.
scott14719 said:
"Why can't our illustrious developers do the same"
Developers please take note!
Why are you posting an old topic. You should take note... LOKI was the method used to side step the locked bootloader on MDB and MDL firmware. This was well known in this forum and there is information about it all over. Loki still works with MDB and MDL firmware, however, the MF3 OTA (AT&T) patched the exploit that was used with LOKI. There are entire threads dedicated to the subject in the AT&T S4 forums. Trying to help people is a good thing but spreading completely out of date information can do nothing but cause confusion and harm.
I can only suggest that you start in the "General" and "Q & A" sections and read the "pinned" threads so you can update yourself on information before you make any other posts. You can find links to important posts in those "pinned" threads that will help bring you up to speed.
To the OP, only AT&T and Verizon S4s have a locked bootloader, you said you are on 'FIDO", so are you sure you are on MF3?
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I think I am on mf3 since i got the most recent update from Fido. I thought that all updates are the same for the carriers that use the spectrum.
michael9441 said:
I think I am on mf3 since i got the most recent update from Fido. I thought that all updates are the same for the carriers that use the spectrum.
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Check and see what your baseband / firmware says it is in "about phone" in the settings.
This thread is to help people figure out what root method is for them and where to go to find out how.
Please simply direct members to this thread or the individual threads for each method.....there's no need to repeat this stuff in thread after thread. A quick link and good luck message keeps XDA clean.
Please send a thanks (with that little thanks button thingy) to these dedicated members who worked hard at these guides and methods.
***A WORD of WARNING!!!*** No matter the model, dev edition....locked bootloader, unlocked bootloader.... Doesn't matter....NO MOTO X can be safely downgraded from 4.4.2 or higher. Not without GREAT risk. (4.4 can be downgraded to 4.2.2 POST camera update for SlapmyMoto root method...but NOT to 4.2.2 PRE camera update.....that will equal a guaranteed brick.) Got it? Good!
Further, due to security features of the phone, the parts which past root/disable write-protection processes exploit, will fail to downgrade, so for those with locked bootloaders you couldn't use the processes for previous versions anyway.
Unlocked Bootloaders (Any Android Version)
Note: See Post 70 for Bootloader Unlocking info.
So, you got a Dev Edition or another model that can have its bootloader unlocked.....awesome! You got it made! Doesn't matter what Android version you're on, the procedure is the same.
Too root, see this awesome GUIDE . There's a section on "How to Unlock your Bootloader.". And a section on "Rooting Unlocked Bootloader." OR after you unlock your bootloader you may root by following -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/instructions-unlocking-rooting-dev-ed-t2649738 Please be sure to use the latest TWRP fastboot IMG file and Installable ZIP of SuperSU
Easy! Done!
Don't know if your bootloader can be unlocked? See Post 70
Locked Bootloaders on 4.4 or lower ONLY (At&T, Verizon and Republic Wireless...and those who just don't want to unlock their bootloader, due to warranty or whatever.)
Now it gets tricky!!!
For devices still on 4.4 or lower you can root AND disable write protection! Awesome!! But....to stay this way...you can never upgrade your android version past 4.4. As it stands today anyway.
Again, see this great GUIDE and read the section on "Rooting Locked Bootloader.". This is quite involved and takes some work. Read read read....and proceed carefully.
(Thanks to @jcase for creating the methods used to achieve this. ��)
If you're already on 4.4.2 or higher....sorry, this will NOT work for you. And no, you can't downgrade from 4.4.2.... Not without great risk!!! Whoever says otherwise....is just plain wrong.
If you have a LOCKED Bootloader and are on 4.4.2 or lower, You could try JCASE's SUNSHINE tool. It will check if your phone is compatible first, if it is and you want to proceed, you will be charged about $25 USD. If it works on your phone it will Unlock the bootloader without destroying data and without needing a code from Moto or the former China Middleman option. For more, please see -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/request-help-exploit-moto-x-bl-t2828471 and/or -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2792487 Once your bootloader is unlocked via Sunshine, you then root the same way developer edition or other unlocked bootloader users root (flash TWRP, boot into it, and let it root, or flash SUperSU).
Locked Bootloaders on 4.4.3 and 4.4.2 (Tho, for 4.4 or lower, the method above will give you write protection disabled....a big plus!!)
Well, you can achieve root, but unfortunately, write protection will still be enabled. Meaning...no writing to the system partition, and any changes you make, root wise, will reset after a power down or hard reboot. So some root apps will work fine....and some may not.
This app by @iKrYpToNiTe combines towelroot with pie and is very simple to use. Works up to Android 4.4.3 Check out this thread for his TowelPieRoot for the Moto X app!
Locked bootloaders on Android 4.4.4
Unfortunately, there is no root method for you guys as of today. And again....no....you can't downgrade. Not without significant risk., and even if you could downgrade, due to security features of the phone, the parts which past root/disable write-protection processes exploit, will fail to downgrade, so you can't use those old processes anyway.
Update: There is a VERY RISKY method to root for Verizon and ATT 4.4.4 users that have a LOCKED bootloader. See -> Moto X Root AT&T/VZW [KXA21.12-L1.26] You are required to be on a particular firmware level, it does NOT disable write protection, it only roots. It is risky because it intentionally soft bricks the phone back to the Qualcomm HS-USB QDLoader mode.
Locked bootloaders on Android 5.1
Again....no....you can't downgrade. Not without significant risk.
There is a VERY RISKY method to root for Verizon and ATT 5.1 users that have a LOCKED bootloader. See -> Root for Moto X ATT XT1058 5.1 [LPA23.12-21.1] You are required to be on a particular firmware level, it does NOT disable write protection, it only roots. It is risky because it intentionally soft bricks the phone back to the Qualcomm HS-USB QDLoader mode.
There is no option yet for other models with Locked bootloader, like Verizon or Republic Wireless, because as of this edit, 5.1 has not been released for for them.
I'd like to list all the threads I linked and credit the members who created these great guides.
For lots of Moto X info and help, there's this great Guide by @dray_jr
[REF]The Complete Moto X Guides/Information Thread
@iKrYpToNiTes app TowelPieRoot for the Moto X automates the towelroot/pie setup.
A great outside link here by @KidJoe , the Motorola Moto X How To page (The only outside link here......cause it's really good!)
And let's not forget my friend @Perseus71 for this great Moto X resource thread!!! [INDEX][REF][GUIDE][TUTORIAL][RESOURCE] Welcome to your Motorola Moto X - Resource
And a special thanks to our Moto X support Gurus. These guys bust their humps helping the Moto X community and can help with almost any issue!! Just post an issue anywhere in the Moto X section and they are sure to show up!
@samwathegreat and @KidJoe
If these guys tell you something....I can assure you its very solid advice!
I hope this clears up the confusion with rooting your Moto X. Follow the links based on your situation.... And read, read and read again....then do!!!
You can ask questions here if you wish and hopefully the community can assist you....but you would probably be better served asking in the links to your root method.
Happy Rooting!!
Additional option for having root with write protection enabled......
From @iKrYpToNiTe :
Okay for any user who is on 4.4 and lower they can root and disable write protection. Then they can install safestrap and flash any stock based rom to the stock slot. They then need to boot into the bootloader to flash the new stock kernel and baseband via fastboot, then reboot and enjoy
my old stock based 4.4.2 rom is here http://rootzwiki.com/topic/116025-romsafestrap-unlockedxt1060-stock-rooted-vzw-164552-kitkat-442/
Remember to thank the man if you visit his thread.
Thanks ikryptonite for the addition. ?
Reserved again
This is great. Thanks for taking the time to put this together dude.
@iKrYpToNiTe
I would love for you to write up something and pm me about your ROM method and exactly who it can apply to? Short, sweet and a link to your thread. And I'll add it to the opening post.
I've always been unlocked.... I don't know enough about your method.
Also similar roms that work the same? If you don't mind. ?
you can pm me and I'll add it in.
Thanks my friend! (You don't have to of course.... Just thought your ROM and similar are options too)
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This is great. Thanks for taking the time to put this together dude.
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I hope it gets read! Lol. The guys that made those threads put a lot of work into them. Yet new root threads pop up daily.
Let's stop repeating root steps and start pointing to the info already available guys.
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I hope it gets read! Lol. The guys that made those threads put a lot of work into them. Yet new root threads pop up daily.
Let's stop repeating root steps and start pointing to the info already available guys.
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+1 !!!!!!!!!
I might suggest a few things to clear up the 4.4.2 and Pie, and.... on LOCKED bootloaders.
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Locked Bootloaders on 4.4.2 and lower.
Well, you can achieve root, but unfortunately, write protection will still be enabled. Meaning...no writing to the system partition, and any changes you make, root wise, will reset after a power down or hard reboot. So some root a apps will work fine....and some may not.
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I would remove "and lower" as while that statement applies to 4.4.2, "lower" would then mean 4.4.0 which SlapMyMoto and MotoWpNoMo still work to root and disable write protection.
Something else I would re-consider... While I agree this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/ref-complete-moto-x-guides-information-t2603358 is great and contains a lot of useful information, it seems to me that many newbies don't understand it, or overlook the information they seek which is why they are asking questions.
For rooting with an unlocked bootloader, might I suggest telling people to get the latest TWRP, SuperSU, and mFastboot, then use -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/step-step-instructions-unlocking-t2649738
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/ref-complete-moto-x-guides-information-t2603358 does not include how to setup and configure ADB and mFastboot, put them in your path, etc. Something like this -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/ADB.htm. It is needed unless someone uses a "tool kit" to root, and many new users don't have a clue about Platform Tools, ADB, or mFastboot.
Heyo there! Looks great so far. Just needs a little formatting and this could be really helpful! I'm humbled by having my name linked in the same thread as jcase and geohot. I do believe @iKrYpToNiTe made an app which makes the Pie+Towelroot easier making my version obsolete.
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Heyo there! Looks great so far. Just needs a little formatting and this could be really helpful! I'm humbled by having my name linked in the same thread as jcase and geohot. I do believe @iKrYpToNiTe made an app which makes the Pie+Towelroot easier making my version obsolete.
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That will be coming. No way I'm attempting any of that on my mobile browser. Lol. Makes me wanna step on the phone.
As soon as I get time on my family laptop....it'll get a facelift!
You're guide is well laid out for sure....that's why its here. ?
Alternative threads may be added....but only if they have differences. (for different results or methods) Won't be adding basically the same info repeated....just choices. Just in case anyone wonders later.
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That will be coming. No way I'm attempting any of that on my mobile browser. Lol. Makes me wanna step on the phone.
As soon as I get time on my family laptop....it'll get a facelift!
You're guide is well laid out for sure....that's why its here. ?
Alternative threads may be added....but only if they have differences. (for different results or methods) Won't be adding basically the same info repeated....just choices. Just in case anyone wonders later.
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I have updated my own thread to link to @iKrYpToNiTe 's app, so users can get to it from there.
It's also interesting that you mention formatting on mobile browsers. I did most of the writing of that thread on my Moto X while testing everything. It took awhile but it was a relief switching to my PC to respond and edit.
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I might suggest a few things to clear up the 4.4.2 and Pie, and.... on LOCKED bootloaders.
I would remove "and lower" as while that statement applies to 4.4.2, "lower" would then mean 4.4.0 which SlapMyMoto and MotoWpNoMo still work to root and disable write protection.
Something else I would re-consider... While I agree this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/ref-complete-moto-x-guides-information-t2603358 is great and contains a lot of useful information, it seems to me that many newbies don't understand it, or overlook the information they seek which is why they are asking questions.
For rooting with an unlocked bootloader, might I suggest telling people to get the latest TWRP, SuperSU, and mFastboot, then use -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/step-step-instructions-unlocking-t2649738
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/ref-complete-moto-x-guides-information-t2603358 does not include how to setup and configure ADB and mFastboot, put them in your path, etc. Something like this -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/ADB.htm. It is needed unless someone uses a "tool kit" to root, and many new users don't have a clue about Platform Tools, ADB, or mFastboot.
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Hello my friend!!
I'll tackle each point you made.
You are right about it making more sense to NOT use Pie on 4.4 and lower....but....as I said in post above....it is an alternative. Some may be scared off by the slapmymoto method, it is pretty involved. Or they might not care about write protection and just want to use a few root apps, so Pie may be their choice. I'll clarify that tho for sure!! Good point. ?
I disagree about the Complete Guide thread on one part, I find its easy to find the section you're looking for. But, I think many just ignore long guides cause they are overwhelmed or simply want a quicker answer. It does cover A LOT tho. And when I use it to link, I always mention the heading they should look for.
I will find a good ADB guide as you said tho....I just realized it was not included. I haven't "used" the guide myself. Lol. But no, I can't use the links you suggested, as that's a thread by a banned member (multiple bans on multiple accounts to be clear) and I would never link to anything by a banned member. Just my preference.
And here is a challenge for you I hope you accept.......
I tend to mostly only link to XDA threads, as XDA is my home for this hobby. If I may make a suggestion....why not take some of the excellent things from your webpage (yes, I've seen it....its awesome!) And translate them into XDA guides? The things that XDA is lacking anyway. No need to write guides where guides already exist. If an existing guide is lacking anything....suggesting to the creator to edit it is a good alternative also. Also, as this is going to be the thread linked to on XDA's new Root Directory for all devices....again, I feel it should point members only to XDA information, not outside sites. Even tho your page is great. ?
If you start with the ADB guide, I'll link it here for sure! ? Otherwise I may use an N5 guide I know....and just point out any differences.... Tho there isn't many.
And for rooting unlocked bootloaders, yes....it could be done a little "slower".... So the newest member could even follow it. So there's another guide that could be made.
Again, I didn't make this thread to list procedures......I made it to point to info already created by others. The X section is extremely confusing to newcomers..... We needed a clear "map" to help those new members find what they need.
Hopefully the "how to root" threads may slow down. Also, hopefully quick links to this, or the individual threads within this, will help guys like us and a few others from repeating the info day in and day out.
Thanks for the input...I seriously appreciate it. I'll make a few of those changes/clarifications you suggested tomorrow evening. Its late here now.
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I have updated my own thread to link to @iKrYpToNiTe 's app, so users can get to it from there.
It's also interesting that you mention formatting on mobile browsers. I did most of the writing of that thread on my Moto X while testing everything. It took awhile but it was a relief switching to my PC to respond and edit.
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Lol. You have more patience than me. I hate using the mobile browsers for almost anything.....especially things like editing colors and what not.
I will get to it very soon on my laptop tho.
I felt this should be put up sooner than later, as every day I see 2 or more "how to root MY device with my situation" threads.
I don't blame them.....its been a long standing issue that the X is confusing, and I think more than anything, a lot of the confused members just want confirmation that they're on the right track.
There's perfectly great info on it all in the threads.....but finding it and what suits your circumstance is another story. Its all over. Lol
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Lol. You have more patience than me. I hate using the mobile browsers for almost anything.....especially things like editing colors and what not.
I will get to it very soon on my laptop tho.
I felt this should be put up sooner than later, as every day I see 2 or more "how to root MY device with my situation" threads.
I don't blame them.....its been a long standing issue that the X is confusing, and I think more than anything, a lot of the confused members just want confirmation that they're on the right track.
There's perfectly great info on it all in the threads.....but finding it and what suits your circumstance is another story. Its all over. Lol
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Phew! The sheer thought of writing up one-third of what you have on your mobile device exhausts me. I tend to take my laptop -everywhere-, and use the phone for well....phone things LOL and for a substitute when I just can't have my laptop with me. Wow! I wouldn't have thought for one second you'd be patient enough to write all of this up on your phone. KUDOS, bro. You have far more patience than I.
Thanks again for the new thread. I know it will be just awesome (aesthetically) by the time you are finished with it. :good:
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And here is a challenge for you I hope you accept.......
I tend to mostly only link to XDA threads, as XDA is my home for this hobby. If I may make a suggestion....why not take some of the excellent things from your webpage (yes, I've seen it....its awesome!) And translate them into XDA guides? The things that XDA is lacking anyway. No need to write guides where guides already exist. If an existing guide is lacking anything....suggesting to the creator to edit it is a good alternative also.
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I have tried suggesting edits to the OP on some threads. They've been ignored.
I would love to have all the stuff here, so people can stay on one site. But my finally typing the stuff on my web pages rather than the forums has been due to several reasons....
I tried writing some of this stuff either as a new thread, or as a post in a thread created by someone (i.e as a helper).. Two examples. 1. Taking an OTA and Returning to Stock started as this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/faq-kit-kat-how-to-prepare-carriers-t2536735 and Bootloader Unlock FAQ started THIS POST in this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/4-1-vzw-att-moto-maker-bootloader-t2680651 and was linked in the OP. I pasted links to it in the "China Middleman Back???" thread. And I posted links to the OTA thread when relevant. Unfortunately, they were ignored, and the same questions asked.
I'm not as well versed and comfortable with layout and formatting, in the forums. Its easier for me to do on my PC with an HTML editor. It makes doing it via web page faster and easier for me.
Doing it as web pages, posting to my site, I could work on them offline, as time permitted, easily formatting them they way I want, etc. then upload after they are ready. Its easy to include pictures if I want, bold, colors, sizes, etc. Putting them in a post is more time consuming, I have to get it right and complete immediately, format it, etc. before I save/post it. Its more difficult to go back and edit a forum post, update it, etc. Again, editing must be done online, and in its entirety. I can't start editing, save, and finish editing tomorrow, otherwise the post wont make sense.
its how I've always done it, even back in the day on HowardForums, especially when we really needed to test most of the processes FIRST before making them available to the public. I could make the page, and only those I gave the link to could see it until I was ready to go live with it.
As for an ADB guide, or rooting an unlocked bootloader X, I could make make them. I would want them to be illustrated so newer people can follow along. Sure us "more experienced members" don't need that much detail, but we aren't the ones asking the questions. :silly: Unfortunately for me, that would be easier to do via web page.
I agree that there needs to be a comprehensive repository for rooting the X, the info is scattered, has changed, etc. There is just so much, so many places to start, so many "conditions" and caveats, I wouldn't know where to start. SO I do commend you on this undertaking!
I wouldn't mind taking this discussion to PM if you have ideas or suggestions on how to quickly/easily take some of my pages and convert them to posts.. rather than clutter this thread up any more.
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I have tried suggesting edits to the OP on some threads. They've been ignored.
I would love to have all the stuff here, so people can stay on one site. But my finally typing the stuff on my web pages rather than the forums has been due to several reasons....
I tried writing some of this stuff either as a new thread, or as a post in a thread created by someone (i.e as a helper).. Two examples. 1. Taking an OTA and Returning to Stock started as this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/faq-kit-kat-how-to-prepare-carriers-t2536735 and Bootloader Unlock FAQ started THIS POST in this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/4-1-vzw-att-moto-maker-bootloader-t2680651 and was linked in the OP. I pasted links to it in the "China Middleman Back???" thread. And I posted links to the OTA thread when relevant. Unfortunately, they were ignored, and the same questions asked.
I'm not as well versed and comfortable with layout and formatting, in the forums. Its easier for me to do on my PC with an HTML editor. It makes doing it via web page faster and easier for me.
Doing it as web pages, posting to my site, I could work on them offline, as time permitted, easily formatting them they way I want, etc. then upload after they are ready. Its easy to include pictures if I want, bold, colors, sizes, etc. Putting them in a post is more time consuming, I have to get it right and complete immediately, format it, etc. before I save/post it. Its more difficult to go back and edit a forum post, update it, etc. Again, editing must be done online, and in its entirety. I can't start editing, save, and finish editing tomorrow, otherwise the post wont make sense.
its how I've always done it, even back in the day on HowardForums, especially when we really needed to test most of the processes FIRST before making them available to the public. I could make the page, and only those I gave the link to could see it until I was ready to go live with it.
As for an ADB guide, or rooting an unlocked bootloader X, I could make make them. I would want them to be illustrated so newer people can follow along. Sure us "more experienced members" don't need that much detail, but we aren't the ones asking the questions. :silly: Unfortunately for me, that would be easier to do via web page.
I agree that there needs to be a comprehensive repository for rooting the X, the info is scattered, has changed, etc. There is just so much, so many places to start, so many "conditions" and caveats, I wouldn't know where to start. SO I do commend you on this undertaking!
I wouldn't mind taking this discussion to PM if you have ideas or suggestions on how to quickly/easily take some of my pages and convert them to posts.. rather than clutter this thread up any more.
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I hear ya!!!
I don't know much about formatting any page, web or XDA. Lol. I throw in a little color and bold type and underlines...that's about all I know. Lol
I will add your page at the credits area at the end of the OP with the other links. Its definitely worth it for people needing help. . (Tonight....hate editing on my phone).
As far as cluttering this thread...I'm not sure if its allowed, but I may ask it to be cleaned after a bit and the OP has been discussed enough and tweaked. Would take a moderator a bit of time....but would be worth it to remove all out discussion that is not directly about rooting. If its not possible....this will all disappear back in the pages eventually.
Hopefully more of the actual root related posts will go in the appropriate threads anyway. Aside from pointing out the way to anyone still unsure which applies to them. Shouldn't be actual troubleshooting here tho. ?
Thanks for your suggestions! If you've noticed I did make some adjustments based on your comments.
This thread is to help people figure out what root method is for them and where to go to find out how to root their device. It's a one stop shop for Moto X rooting, since there's many methods based on each devices condition.
I made this also so the Moto X can have ONE single root link on XDA's new root directory, created and maintained by a friend and mentor of mine, @PG101 .
So let's get straight to the current different root methods for the Moto X, as it seems there is confusion about this everyday and new threads started by confused members.
Please simply direct members to this thread or the individual threads for each method.....there's no need to repeat this stuff in thread after thread. A quick link and good luck message keeps XDA clean.
I'm not going to write out root methods....instead I'm going to explain what scenario means what and link to current threads by members who took the time to make guides, how to's and so on.
Please send a thanks (with that little thanks button thingy) to these dedicated members who worked hard at these guides and methods.
Warning!
No matter the model, dev edition....locked bootloader, unlocked bootloader.... Doesn't matter....NO MOTO X can be safely downgraded from 4.4.2 or higher. Not without GREAT risk.
Unlocked Bootloaders
You got it made! Doesn't matter what Android version you're on, the procedure is the same.
See this awesome guide. There's a section on "How to Unlock your Bootloader.". And a section on "Rooting Unlocked Bootloader."
Locked Bootloaders on 4.4 or lower ONLY
For devices still on 4.4 or lower you can root AND disable write protection! Awesome! But to stay rooted, you cannot upgrade past 4.4.
Again, see this great guide and read the section on "Rooting Locked Bootloader.". This is quite involved and takes some work. Read and proceed carefully.
This will NOT work on 4.4.2 or higher!
Locked Bootloaders on 4.4.2
Well, you can achieve root, but unfortunately, write protection will still be enabled. Meaning...no writing to the system partition, and any changes you make, root wise, will reset after a power down or hard reboot. So some root apps will work fine....and some may not.
There are two methods: PIE and Towelroot. Both of these can help you achieve root. PIE is a tethered root while Towelroot runs off an app on the device.
You can also combine these methods using TowelPIERoot made be @iKrYpToNiTe in a very easy and efficient app.
Locked bootloaders in Android 4.4.3 or higher
Unfortunately, there is no root method for you guys as of today. And again, you cannot downgrade without SIGNIFICANT risk.
Warning about using these exploits
Myself or anyone that has helped develop this are not responsible for anything that occurs to your phone by using this method.
I hope this clears up the confusion with rooting your Moto X. Follow the links based on your situation and read the guides! Multiple times!
You can ask questions here if you wish and hopefully the community can assist you....but you would probably be better served asking in the links to your root method.
Credits:
Guide by @dray_jr
>*Moto X*>*Moto X General*>*[REF]The Complete Moto X Guides/Information Thread
PIE for 4.4.2 by @jcase
>*Moto X*>*Moto X Original Android Development*>*[Root 4.4.X] Pie for Motorola devices
Towelroot by @geohot
>*Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 5*>*Verizon Galaxy S 5 General*>*I'm throwing a party and you should come **GS5 ROOT THREAD**. (It works on all devices, see website)
PIE with Towelroot for more functionality by @dier325
>*Moto X*>*Moto X General*>*Towelroot Discussion Thread (good information about the process, but pretty much replaced by @iKrYpToNiTe 's new app....mentioned next)
TowelPieRoot by @iKrYpToNiTe
>*Moto X*>*Moto X Themes and Apps*> *[Root][APP]TowelPieRoot for the Moto X
And let's not forget my friend @Perseus71 for this great Moto X resource thread!
>*Moto X*>*Moto X General*>*[INDEX][REF][GUIDE][TUTORIAL][RESOURCE] Welcome to your Motorola Moto X - Resource
And a special thanks to our Moto X support Gurus. These guys bust their butts helping the Moto X community and can help with almost any issue. Just post an issue anywhere in the Moto X section and they are sure to show up!
Be sure to keep a lookout for @samwathegreat and @KidJoe, they are both very knowledgeable and give good advice.
Hopefully this has cleared up any confusion there is in the Moto X rooting community.
Happy Rooting!
I welcome any feedback here! Please fill me in on anything I'm missing or any mistakes....or any other constructive criticism or suggestions.
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Went ahead and cleaned everything up, hope you don't mind. Just had to remove some smiley faces and clean up some grammar ^_^
I'm not sure if it's just me but I can only get exposed to work with Jcases pie root. I have tried both towel root and towel pie but it won't work for me. Not sure if it's even pertinent to this thread but thought I'd throw it out there. I'm on att 4.4.2
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I'm not sure if it's just me but I can only get exposed to work with Jcases pie root. I have tried both towel root and towel pie but it won't work for me. Not sure if it's even pertinent to this thread but thought I'd throw it out there. I'm on att 4.4.2
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I'd use @iKrYpToNiTe 's app. And look through his thread or ask there about xposed. Chances are its been brought up in the thread already, but maybe not.
Link is near end of first post!
Excellent thread, though.
For me, getting to the Motorola's Android environment was kind of tricky, specially coming from a Galaxy S3 Mini, which was my first Android device (coming from iOS and Blackberry) and rooting it was a piece of cake.
Fortunately I got a SIM-unlocked XT1053, which could and was bootloader unlocked by me. So rooting was easier than some other variants are.
I see that there are info everywhere but spread on XDA and other forums. It's nice to see that there is one root-specific thread now, where all possible options are covered.
Keep it going!