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Xiaomi M1 details announced

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/16/xiaomi-m1-with-miui-os-a-310-phone-with-1-5ghz-dual-core-soc-a/
Jesus this phone. Dual core 1.5ghz, 1gb of ram, adreno 220 gpu, 4gb of ROM storage, 1930mAh, 8mp camera, 4in 480x854 display, and runs on MIUI all for only 310USD. Only minor problem with the phone is its resolution. But damn, is that cheap for a top of the line phone. Too bad this phone will never see the light of day in the US.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4243/...ormance-1-5-ghz-msm8660-adreno-220-benchmarks
for a benchmark of the adreno 220 gpu. It destroys the competition in all but 1 test.

Hahahahaha holy ****, 13 megapixel camera??? Good lord

how is this related to the atrix? this should be Android general, not here...
sorry don't mean to be an ass...
Edit: but i must admit, it does look like an amazing phone. and looking at it's GSM frequencies it should be compatible with AT&T here in the US...

thats exactly what i was thinking..and for that price..ill take it lol. Def wont need to worry about bumping into someone that has my same phone...ever..lol

2 problems with this phone and tests.
1. The camera. When you cram that many MP's into such a small CCD chip your image quality is complete and utter garbage because the image noise is insane. Id rather have a Moto razor camera in it.
2. Why is the LG olympus x2 in only 2 tests? They test it vs a bunch of phones with 600mhz cpu phones....what's the point? Then in the last 2 tests it loses to the olympus x2 and barely beats it in the second....not really impressive for a cpu running at 50% faster clock.
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You get what you pay for.
That's my 2 cents.
Nothing in the world is free.

Clienterror said:
2 problems with this phone and tests.
1. The camera. When you cram that many MP's into such a small CCD chip your image quality is complete and utter garbage because the image noise is insane. Id rather have a Moto razor camera in it.
2. Why is the LG olympus x2 in only 2 tests? They test it vs a bunch of phones with 600mhz cpu phones....what's the point? Then in the last 2 tests it loses to the olympus x2 and barely beats it in the second....not really impressive for a cpu running at 50% faster clock.
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8mp isn't a lot for a phone.
lg olympus is only MISSING from 2 tests. It's present in all but the 3d mark mobile tests.

edgeicator said:
8mp isn't a lot for a phone.
lg olympus is only MISSING from 2 tests. It's present in all but the 3d mark mobile tests.
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You're totally right about the benches, I looked again and I'm not sure how I missed it thanks!
The 2nd article says: 13 MP Rear Facing with Autofocus and LED Flash. Is the 2nd article wrong? I hope it is.

Clienterror said:
You're totally right about the benches, I looked again and I'm not sure how I missed it thanks!
The 2nd article says: 13 MP Rear Facing with Autofocus and LED Flash. Is the 2nd article wrong? I hope it is.
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The 2nd article is a different phone (a Qualcomm prototype), but with the same specs as the Xiaomi in the 1st article, so the benchmarks should be relevant.

I when I put the vercion 4.1?

Xiaomi Redmi Note 2 - Real PDAF ? What is the camera sensor used ?

Hi,
I own a Xiaomi Redmi Note 2 Prime, recently, there was a review of this smartphone at DPReview, mainly due to the camera being 13Mpx with Phase Detection Auto Focus, on such a cheap smartphone.
And I was wondering, how can I identify the Camera Sensors on this phone?
There has been a teardown of the phone, and below is the picture of the sensors found:
myfixguide dot com/manual/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Xiaomi-Redmi-Note-2-Teardown-16.jpg
The thing is, this references don't lead to anywhere... I've searched the net for them and found nothing... On Xiaomi's publicity, sometimes the sensor is publicized as being from Samsung or OV (Omnivision), this is never good, as we never know really what is the sensor we have on our phone...
And I've seen my share of Chinese Smartphone manufacturers that say they put sensors from Sony, and then it's Omnivision or Samsung (if your lucky), or else it's "Sunny" or some other small time chinese sensor brand...
What called my attention was, that for a smartphone so "cheap" (base model costs aprox. $125 in China), they put a 13Mpx PDAF sensor on it...
But I'm not sure both Omnivision and Samsung produce sensors with the same specs, also, from the picture below, it looks like the sensor might in fact be from "O-Film", another relatively lesser known sensor brand (check: o-film dot com)
Both sensors seem to have similar codes:
OMI BA 08
OMI 5F 05
So it looks like they might be sourced from the same manufacturer, but looking at the references, I'm afraid if they aren't really a 8Mpx sensor, interpolated to 13Mpx... Because of the "08" in the reference of the back sensor, while the front one has "05" which corresponds to the frontal camera spec of 5Mpx.
Can anyone help me identify the real sensor inside my phone? Thanks for the help !

Type *#*#6484#*#* into Phone, click on Software Version and scroll down. It does say OFilm under both Camera values. At least in my case.
Edit:
the sensors are http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/products/cmos-image-sensor/mobile-cis/S5K3M2?ia=217 and http://www.ovt.com/products/sensor.php?id=150
Sent from my Redmi Note 2

sunbriel said:
Type *#*#6484#*#* into Phone, click on Software Version and scroll down. It does say OFilm under both Camera values. At least in my case.
Sent from my Redmi Note 2
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Thanks for the tip !
In my case, I have:
- Back camera: the Sunny made S5K3M2_2ND (probably a clone of the Samsung ISOCELL S5K3M2, maybe this is their 2nd version clone or try...)
- Front camera: the Ofilm OV5670 (a clone of the Omnivision OV5670 probably)
I wonder if these clone brands have as good quality as the original ones...

Been looking on Chinese forums about this topic. I myself don't really care, but it slightly caught my interest. They are saying that the sensor is Samsung's and the camera module is Ofilm's or Sunny's.
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Same here. The picture quality at day rivals those of much more expensive phones and the phone focuses fast enough for me - so the question on whether it's original vs a clone, or whether the PDAF is a real or fake one is purely academical to me. As for how such a "cheap" phone can have such features, it's simple: the companies charge huge margins. Just look at Sony's M5, it's essentially the same phone with more megapixels (though, tbh, not really better image quality) and costs around 500€. You're paying about 300€ just for the brand and pixels.

It's not a clone. Here is one of the links where it is explained what it all means: www.miui.com/thread-2916880-1-1.html
Use Google translate, you'll understand the general meaning. Basically, it's like I wrote in my previous post.
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I'm not saying it is a clone, I'm saying I wouldn't care even if it is.

I was responding to the OP, though.
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I have Sunny cameras (rear & front)
Front camera shot clean pictures in good light condition.
Rear camera is a little bit noise and macros are not perfect (you must stay at least at 10 cm from the subject in order to get a good macro) but autofocus is very fast
The problem is video FPS
I noticed that it drops dramatically in low light condition, from 30 to 22 so shot video lags
And in your?

I noticed that with miui 7 we now have slow motion so somewere around 90fps. ( you have to be in hd not in full hd to get this option).

Xiaomi Mi 5S Plus - 6GB RAM, Triple Cameras

Hello! Xiaomi Mi5s Plus was launched recently and here are the features: 5.7-inch FHD Screen, Snapdragon 821 CPU, 6GB RAM, and Triple cameras with two rear cameras (source: http://www.chinaphonereview.com/xiaomi-mi5s-plus).
The dual rear cameras is a unique characteristic in which it features a 13MP colored camera and a 13MP black & white camera. I'm not sure how this would translate. But I'm certain the 6GB RAM and Snapdragon 821 processor would definitely provide an excellent performance.
Any thoughts on this smartphone?

If a decent developer community forms and this gets the ability to work on Verizon then I'm sold. But I have to hold out hopes that the Mi5 progress keeps advancing and can easily translate to this device.

toffzter said:
Hello! Xiaomi Mi5s Plus was launched recently and here are the features: 5.7-inch FHD Screen, Snapdragon 821 CPU, 6GB RAM, and Triple cameras with two rear cameras (source: http://www.chinaphonereview.com/xiaomi-mi5s-plus).
The dual rear cameras is a unique characteristic in which it features a 13MP colored camera and a 13MP black & white camera. I'm not sure how this would translate. But I'm certain the 6GB RAM and Snapdragon 821 processor would definitely provide an excellent performance.
Any thoughts on this smartphone?
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Be careful, the mi5s plus cameras are old sony imx258 and not the new imx378 on the mi5s. Also the mi5s plus lacks of ultrasonic fingerprint sensor.

jlmcr87 said:
Be careful, the mi5s plus cameras are old sony imx258 and not the new imx378 on the mi5s. Also the mi5s plus lacks of ultrasonic fingerprint sensor.
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Yah, they gimped the plus so much.. if you like larger phones, neither are good buys. If the plus had 2 x imx378 and ultrasonic, best phone in the world easily, by hardware.
The pixel phones use the imx378, I believe, and the pixel is rated best camera phone by DxO (take with grain of salt as they're apparently biased), but it still shows the prowess of the imx378.

Would the dual rear cameras make any difference in terms of picture quality? How can the additional black & white camera help?

Just got this phone today.
It is amazing fast, super high performance.
With default setup, it can have 4G RAM free
However, it only have chinese stock rom at this moment.

hkd said:
Just got this phone today.
It is amazing fast, super high performance.
With default setup, it can have 4G RAM free
However, it only have chinese stock rom at this moment.
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No way to tune camera shots focus after the take like on the Redmi Pro?
I so much want this feature!

strifej said:
Yah, they gimped the plus so much.. if you like larger phones, neither are good buys. If the plus had 2 x imx378 and ultrasonic, best phone in the world easily, by hardware.
The pixel phones use the imx378, I believe, and the pixel is rated best camera phone by DxO (take with grain of salt as they're apparently biased), but it still shows the prowess of the imx378.
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Well, sadly enough that the imx378's sensor is large and I assumed that is why the dual camera setup with that sensor is not achievable.
Same goes to OIS, most probably due to sensor size issues. (Pixel phones have no OIS thou)
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hkd said:
Just got this phone today.
It is amazing fast, super high performance.
With default setup, it can have 4G RAM free
However, it only have chinese stock rom at this moment.
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Where did you ordered from?
Well, just wait for developers to get their hands on the device~
Device is just too new

hkd said:
Just got this phone today.
It is amazing fast, super high performance.
With default setup, it can have 4G RAM free
However, it only have chinese stock rom at this moment.
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So how is your experience with Xiaomi Mi5s?

toffzter said:
Would the dual rear cameras make any difference in terms of picture quality? How can the additional black & white camera help?
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From what I've read, but I'm not an expert, the B&W camera should be capable of capturing more light.
So combining images from both cameras it should capture better pictures on low light conditions.

gnazio said:
From what I've read, but I'm not an expert, the B&W camera should be capable of capturing more light.
So combining images from both cameras it should capture better pictures on low light conditions.
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So I guess it will result to much clearer pictures and lesser noise compared to the single color camera. That's nice. :good:

EMJI79 said:
No way to tune camera shots focus after the take like on the Redmi Pro?
I so much want this feature!
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Now it can do like Redmi Pro with global dev rom 6.12.8 and FreeDcam application can turn on EIS

Xziting said:
Now it can do like Redmi Pro with global dev rom 6.12.8 and FreeDcam application can turn on EIS
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You mean it can do bokeh effect? [emoji3]

EMJI79 said:
You mean it can do bokeh effect? [emoji3]
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Yep it can do bokeh effect

Wow great! [emoji1]
I saw a screenshot on eu.miui.
Would have bought it if it were sold with that when it came out. Now I have bought a Sony. Probably will wait for the Mi Note Pro 2.

Maybe some would want to post photo samples​ with the latest ROM?

EMJI79 said:
Maybe some would want to post photo samples​ with the latest ROM?
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I have it and for me there's 2 things that I don't like. MIUI 8 , I'm a stock Android guy I hope somebody bring cm or something like this to this mobile and the other thing it's the camera, it's a camera for me from the beginning of 2015, that perform well in optimal light conditions and in low light even with the stereo option it's not very well.
Conclusion, I'm not a photo guy so there's no problem but I can't support miui even that it runs fast in this mobile. So until we have some development to this mobile I'm going to stay whit my axon 7.
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Maybe some would want to post photo samples​ with the latest ROM?
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Optimal light conditions interior and low light outside
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Don't you like taking photos during daylight?

Yes I do , but almost every 2105/2016 phone does nice or ok photos in daylight.
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Redmi note 7 Vs 7 pro? Real camera advantages?

Hello, I am really in doubt on which one to buy. My real interest is about the camera : I haven't found a single comparison between the Samsung and the Sony cameras of the two devices. Do the photos of the pro version really justify the 100+$ of difference and the missing b20 band? Right now I have a redm note 3 Pro and it's perfect for my everyday needs, so a super SoC or a lot of ram would probably be wasted as I don't play at all with my phone. Any advice? Thanks!

paraponzi said:
Hello, I am really in doubt on which one to buy. My real interest is about the camera : I haven't found a single comparison between the Samsung and the Sony cameras of the two devices. Do the photos of the pro version really justify the 100+$ of difference and the missing b20 band? Right now I have a redm note 3 Pro and it's perfect for my everyday needs, so a super SoC or a lot of ram would probably be wasted as I don't play at all with my phone. Any advice? Thanks!
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I'm also curious. I watched hundereds of comparisons and from what i understood the sony sensor offers better dynamic range and sharpness. Depth of field (background blur) is same due to same sensor size.
By not a higher margin btw.

GTRanushka said:
I'm also curious. I watched hundereds of comparisons and from what i understood the sony sensor offers better dynamic range and sharpness. Depth of field (background blur) is same due to same sensor size.
By not a higher margin btw.
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Do you have link??? I would like to see results. And also Gcam results, if it is not only in app.

Time to take picture (camera launch speed)

There! Something just happened! Did you take a picture of it? Rate this thread to express how fast the Google Pixel 5 can go from "zero to picture". A higher rating indicates that launching the camera app and taking a photo is extremely fast such that you never miss an important moment, like when your cat attacks the couch again.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lr4KUwf2e6E&t=10s
0:10 "Photo processing time without dedicated Pixel/Neural Core. I would like to see the processing time for a NightSight photo vs. Pixel 4."
According to this article, there is no need for the neural core, as the 765G has its own Computer Vision Image Signal Processor and a Hexagon-DSP: https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-5-snapdragon-765g-1163847/
"Given that the Pixel 5 doesn’t include Google’s in-house Pixel Neural Core, it’s probably safe to assume that the 765G offers all the performance Google needs to run its Night Mode, HDR+, Super Res Zoom, and various voice features." - I hope so. Maybe Google simply wanted to keep the price down?
The 4a 5G will process HDR+/NightSight as fast as the Pixel 5, if the Neural Core is no longer needed!

NightSight processing speed without dedicated Neural Core in "Pixel 5 - Quick speed test (Software & Camera)" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VOsBFNwOSuw&t=55s

SGH-i200 said:
NightSight processing speed without dedicated Neural Core in "Pixel 5 - Quick speed test (Software & Camera)" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VOsBFNwOSuw&t=55s
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I was a little worried that the camera might be slower than my 3XL, but based on this video it should be about the same.

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NightSight processing speed without dedicated Neural Core in "Pixel 5 - Quick speed test (Software & Camera)" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VOsBFNwOSuw&t=55s
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That is certainly noticeably slower than my Pixel 2 XL.

jimv1983 said:
That is certainly noticeably slower than my Pixel 2 XL.
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I don't know what you are doing on yours but my 2XL certainly takes longer for night sight pictures

Benjamin_L said:
I don't know what you are doing on yours but my 2XL certainly takes longer for night sight pictures
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My Pixel 2 XL does both night sight and just regular HDR pictures faster than what the video of the Pixel 5 shows. It's a very noticeable difference.
It makes sense considering the Snapdragon 765 is only slightly better than the Snapdragon 835 in some ways and actually worse in some ways and the Pixel 5 doesn't have the Pixel Visual Core or Pixel Neural Core like previous Pixels had that helped image processing.

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My Pixel 2 XL does both night sight and just regular HDR pictures faster than what the video of the Pixel 5 shows. It's a very noticeable difference.
It makes sense considering the Snapdragon 765 is only slightly better than the Snapdragon 835 in some ways and actually worse in some ways and the Pixel 5 doesn't have the Pixel Visual Core or Pixel Neural Core like previous Pixels had that helped image processing.
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But the 765G has AI included so you can't say the PNC make the 2XL faster, as the same calculations can now be performed in the cpu at roughly the same speed or maybe faster. Also single and multicore performance is higher so I would doubt it's slower than the 2XL. It also depends a lot on the lighting conditions and if they are not good my 2XL is certainly slower than in the video.

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But the 765G has AI included so you can't say the PNC make the 2XL faster, as the same calculations can now be performed in the cpu at roughly the same speed or maybe faster. Also single and multicore performance is higher so I would doubt it's slower than the 2XL. It also depends a lot on the lighting conditions and if they are not good my 2XL is certainly slower than in the video.
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That video showed several pictures being taken not just night sight. When he went to view the picture you can see the progress on processing the picture. My Pixel 2 XL does that noticably faster. A lot of it happens in the background so not a huge deal but the difference certainly is noticable.
I'm not sure what you are talking about but the Snapdragon 765G does not have the Pixel Visual Core or Pixel Neural Core type of processing built in. That was very specific Google hardware designed to be optimized for the very specific purpose of computational photography. The Pixel 5 is certainly at a disadvantage there. Also, benchmarks don't mean much for real world usage. If you really want to get a good idea of what the Pixel 5 performance will be watch some reviews of the OnePlus Nord which has the same processor and is almost stock Android. That doesn't necessarily mean the Pixel 5 will be as slow as the OnePlus Nord due to software differences but it certainly will be close.
My Pixel 2 XL battery life is getting pretty bad and it will be losing updates after December so it's time to get something new. I didn't want to lose that pure Google software experience so I decided to give the Pixel 5 a shot but if the performance is as poor as the One Plus Nord I'll be returning it. The slower photo processing is something I can live with.

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I'm not sure what you are talking about but the Snapdragon 765G does not have the Pixel Visual Core or Pixel Neural Core type of processing built in. That was very specific Google hardware designed to be optimized for the very specific purpose of computational photography. The Pixel 5 is certainly at a disadvantage there.
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The PNC is just a co-processor for machine learning/AI stuff. The 765G has similar AI TOPS as the pvc/pnc so a dedicated co-processor is not needed anymore. I don't know why people are going crazy about redundant hardware:
https://m.gsmarena.com/the_new_pixe...nt_mean_they_lack_the_features-news-45589.php

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The PNC is just a co-processor for machine learning/AI stuff. The 765G has similar AI TOPS as the pvc/pnc so a dedicated co-processor is not needed anymore. I don't know why people are going crazy about redundant hardware:
https://m.gsmarena.com/the_new_pixe...nt_mean_they_lack_the_features-news-45589.php
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The PVC and PNC were very specialized and optimized for a specific purpose. The co-processor of the 765G is more genetic. I guess that's better than nothing but it's not going to give you the same benefits as the specialized cores. If the genetic co-processor was good enough then the co-processor in the SD 855 in the Pixel 4, which is better than the co-processor in the SD 765, would have made the Pixel Neural Core in the Pixel 4 totally unnecessary.
There have already been reviews showing the camera app and the dual manual exposure controls that were in the Pixel 4 are missing which is likely due to not having the PNC.
It's unclear by the videos that have come out of the Pixel 5 has live HDR view but considering the fact that the Pixel 3 had a SD 845 (which is pretty comparable to the 765G) and the PVC but not the PNC and couldn't handle live HDR view and dual exposure controls I think it's probably likely that the Pixel 5 doesn't have either feature.
To summarize, SD 845 (which is better than the 765G) + PVC = Can't support HDR live view or dual exposure controls. That means 765G = No HDR live view or dual exposure controls.
So obviously the PNC is a big loss.

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The PVC and PNC were very specialized and optimized for a specific purpose. The co-processor of the 765G is more genetic. I guess that's better than nothing but it's not going to give you the same benefits as the specialized cores. If the genetic co-processor was good enough then the co-processor in the SD 855 in the Pixel 4, which is better than the co-processor in the SD 765, would have made the Pixel Neural Core in the Pixel 4 totally unnecessary.
There have already been reviews showing the camera app and the dual manual exposure controls that were in the Pixel 4 are missing which is likely due to not having the PNC.
It's unclear by the videos that have come out of the Pixel 5 has live HDR view but considering the fact that the Pixel 3 had a SD 845 (which is pretty comparable to the 765G) and the PVC but not the PNC and couldn't handle live HDR view and dual exposure controls I think it's probably likely that the Pixel 5 doesn't have either feature.
To summarize, SD 845 (which is better than the 765G) + PVC = Can't support HDR live view or dual exposure controls. That means 765G = No HDR live view or dual exposure controls.
So obviously the PNC is a big loss.
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What are you even talking about. Even the 4a has dual exposure and live hdr making all your points void. The PNC was used to support face unlock in the 4 as it was most likely very demanding to be quick. There are years of development between the 835 and the 765G. You just can't say as single or multi core performance is comparable they have the same features. Maybe do some research first

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What are you even talking about. Even the 4a has dual exposure and live hdr making all your points void. The PNC was used to support face unlock in the 4 as it was most likely very demanding to be quick. There are years of development between the 835 and the 765G. You just can't say as single or multi core performance is comparable they have the same features. Maybe do some research first
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I didn't compare to the 835 I compared to the 845. The 765G falls somewhere between the 835 and 845 in performance and capabilities. The Pixel 3, with the 845 with the PVC couldn't handle live HDR or the dual exposure controls. That's why the features weren't on the Pixel 3. That was in a statement from Google.
Snapdragon 845 + Pixel Visual Core > Snapdragon 765G. So to say that the Pixel 5, which has worse processors than the Pixel 3 can do things that the Pixel 3 can't do is just a lack of common sense.
If the Pixel 5 does have those features with a worse chip than the 845 and no PNC then why didn't the Pixel 3 have those features? Did Google lie?
Also, if the dual exposure controls are available on the Pixel 5 then why are the sliders used to control that feature missing from the camera app?
Here is a picture of the camera app of the Pixel 4 and Pixel 5. Notice that the Pixel 4 has the exposure controls while the Pixel 5 does not.

You cant judge the camera on the Pixel 5 initial hands on. It is clearly not final software. reviewers have mentioned not all features are present. Hence the embargo from Google. They do not want reviews based on incomplete software.

You can't seriously believe the 5 will not get a feature the 4a has. It's even mentioned on the compare pixel devices website.

pemz82 said:
You cant judge the camera on the Pixel 5 initial hands on. It is clearly not final software. reviewers have mentioned not all features are present. Hence the embargo from Google. They do not want reviews based on incomplete software.
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I don't think the embargo is because of unfinished software but let's say that's true. Do you you really think software that close to final would be that much slower than any update that might be available the first time you turn it on? The image processing in those hands on videos is so much slower than what I'm getting on my Pixel 2 XL that it's clearly obvious. Any software improvements would have to speed up image processing by close to double for the Pixel 5 to process images faster than my Pixel 2 XL does not.
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You can't seriously believe the 5 will not get a feature the 4a has. It's even mentioned on the compare pixel devices website.
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So I guess they must have moved the exposure controls somewhere else? As you can see in the screen shots I posted the Pixel 4 XL has the exposure sliders but in the other picture those sliders are clearly not there.
Also, as I already mentioned it would mean that Google wasn't being honest when it gave the reason why those features weren't added to the Pixel 3.

I guess we'll find out soon enough. It's delivery day for many UK buyers

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I don't think the embargo is because of unfinished software but let's say that's true. Do you you really think software that close to final would be that much slower than any update that might be available the first time you turn it on? The image processing in those hands on videos is so much slower than what I'm getting on my Pixel 2 XL that it's clearly obvious. Any software improvements would have to speed up image processing by close to double for the Pixel 5 to process images faster than my Pixel 2 XL does not.
So I guess they must have moved the exposure controls somewhere else? As you can see in the screen shots I posted the Pixel 4 XL has the exposure sliders but in the other picture those sliders are clearly not there.
Also, as I already mentioned it would mean that Google wasn't being honest when it gave the reason why those features weren't added to the Pixel 3.
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Just received the phone - I can confirm exposure control is present out of the box. There is an update to the camera app pending also.
Speed of processing is very similar to my Pixel 2 XL.

pemz82 said:
Just received the phone - I can confirm exposure control is present out of the box. There is an update to the camera app pending also.
Speed of processing is very similar to my Pixel 2 XL.
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Was there an update as soon as you set it up? Are the exposure controls moved somewhere else compared to the Pixel 4? Did you have to enable them in settings? I didn't see that option in videos of the camera settings but the videos didn't show the advanced settings. Maybe they just have to be enabled.
I'm just trying to figure out why all the videos I've seen of the Pixel 4/Pixel 4 XL show the sliders but all the videos of the Pixel 5 have the sliders missing.
So I guess Google was lying about why the Pixel 3 didn't get live HDR view and dual exposure controls. That's interesting.

The exposure controls are there without having to turn them on. The sliders appear when you tap on the screen to set your focus. Not sure if that is different to 4/XL.
The camera app update is available as soon as you set up the phone. This made some tweaks to the UI and I think the different stabilisation modes including cinematic pan.