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My major concern is battery.
What do you think about this 1350 battery on this big, large screen... we will have the same problem of the diamond?? Will we reach to dinner??
Its a good question and one that will be difficult to answer until we get to use it, but if I had to guess I would say it will not be strong enough, but again it would depend on how you use the device. HSDPA and push email can really tax the battery add to that music and videos and of course web surfing and you would need a huge battery to last the day. I think with all these devices battery life will always be a problem.
its actually quite a easy question to answer, the HD will suck more power, it will drain a battery with "average" usage around two hours quicker than the Touch Pro, this by an large is due to the fact that the screen is around 30% larger, which obviously means that its backlight will be larger, the rest of the hardware is essentially the same, its going to suck.
Cracking phone i agree, but there is physically no way it will be better than a Pro, and will infact be significantly worse due to 30% more power usage on the screen alone.
extended battery will more than likely be a must, even if its just for emergencies
anyone know if its the SAME battery as the pro?
The PRO is Mah 1340...
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its actually quite a easy question to answer, the HD will suck more power, it will drain a battery with "average" usage around two hours quicker than the Touch Pro, this by an large is due to the fact that the screen is around 30% larger, which obviously means that its backlight will be larger, the rest of the hardware is essentially the same, its going to suck.
Cracking phone i agree, but there is physically no way it will be better than a Pro, and will infact be significantly worse due to 30% more power usage on the screen alone.
extended battery will more than likely be a must, even if its just for emergencies
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actually, noone can say that at the moment. the kind of battery used in a device doesn't say how long it will be able to operate (ofcourse, a more powerfull battery is always stronger). Software is very very importand. just look at the diamond. it has a better or equal battery than some other phones with same kind of specs. but still drains battery life like nothing.
improving the software can make a huge differents and it could even be possible that the battery life of the HD is better than that of the Touch pro.
Oh, before i forget. some german reviews allready stated, that the battery life seems to be quiet good and that they were pretty surprised when they found out that the screen light doesn't need much power.
the 1340 refers to the maximum amount of power available on one charge, in this case its the same as the touch pro, doesnt matter what type of battery it is, (although admitidly some batteries are designed for high current, some for low current high duration)
anyhow, the average current draw is specified by HTC, so yes software tweaks can helps this but its important to note that it wont be an average if you do, as features will be disabled or reduced in performance.
its also important to not that those stame tweaks that have helped the Pro would be the same tweaks used on teh HD since its essentially the same phone, but applying the tweaks to BOTH phones will still give you a significant difference against the HD, and that difference will be for the most part the increase in power consumption needed to power a 30% larger screen.
The only way the HD can be better than the Pro or equal at the very least is if it has a bigger battery
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the 1340 refers to the maximum amount of power available on one charge, in this case its the same as the touch pro, doesnt matter what type of battery it is, (although admitidly some batteries are designed for high current, some for low current high duration)
anyhow, the average current draw is specified by HTC, so yes software tweaks can helps this but its important to note that it wont be an average if you do, as features will be disabled or reduced in performance.
its also important to not that those stame tweaks that have helped the Pro would be the same tweaks used on teh HD since its essentially the same phone, but applying the tweaks to BOTH phones will still give you a significant difference against the HD, and that difference will be for the most part the increase in power consumption needed to power a 30% larger screen.
The only way the HD can be better than the Pro or equal at the very least is if it has a bigger battery
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Hmmm i'm not sure if you guys are missing the point. sure the display takes a good bit of power but its the processor thats the juicy bit. HTC have said that they have spent a fair amount of time tweaking the processor in the HD to make it more efficient. Sure its the same processor as the touch pro but different firmware software etc. Only time wil tell but its unlikely they're going to ruin a superb device by using underspec componants.
if they have changed the CPU then you maybe right, there is nothing to have stopped them i suppose, but i would still imagin that the back light is the most significant power drawing function bar some wireless connections that is.
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the 1340 refers to the maximum amount of power available on one charge, in this case its the same as the touch pro, doesnt matter what type of battery it is, (although admitidly some batteries are designed for high current, some for low current high duration)
anyhow, the average current draw is specified by HTC, so yes software tweaks can helps this but its important to note that it wont be an average if you do, as features will be disabled or reduced in performance.
its also important to not that those stame tweaks that have helped the Pro would be the same tweaks used on teh HD since its essentially the same phone, but applying the tweaks to BOTH phones will still give you a significant difference against the HD, and that difference will be for the most part the increase in power consumption needed to power a 30% larger screen.
The only way the HD can be better than the Pro or equal at the very least is if it has a bigger battery
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you are right, but on the other hand we don't know what changes have been made on the software. Like Touchflow3d beeing much faster than before, even if its the same specs. You cand take a 900 battery and it cann run longer than a 1340 battery if you do it right with the software. Ofcourse, we can compare the HD to the Diamond or the touch pro, as they have got the same OS and the same Interface. But tweaks in this siystem can reduce the power consumption allot, and i am not talking about thos tweak we, as users can do. The easiest way to find out will be to compare the standby times for example. when the display is off. Or when tweaks to the chips are made which enhace the battery life when connected to UMTS or other things. (such tweaks happpend to many phones, and sometimes meant an increase of around 50-60 percent of battery life!!) Its true that a bigger screen normaly means hiigher power consumption, but most of the power drained comes from the backlight. And even here you can do much.
I hope the things reviewers and testers said so far were right. like the backlight surprisingly using just a glimps of power and the good battery life. they also stated that HTC made improvements to their chipset and thats one of the reasons why its faster and even runs longer with UMTS than with GSM
Could be that its not, but i hope for the best.
ps: on the other hand, i have got an Lg Viewty here. It is a phone, which is said to have a pretty bad battery life, lasting for less than two days with normal usage, and less with heavy one. Strangely i get a battery life of around a week on normal usage and 3 days with heavy use. (normal means: checking mails at least 2 -3 times a day with HSDPA, doing quick surfing on the net and writing around 5 sms a day and answering call and so on..)
There's a lot of comparisons between the Thrive and the Transformer because they're both big and heavy. One aspect that the Thrive often gets points for is the user replaceable battery. I guess user replaceable batteries have two advantages:
1. Cheaper to replace the battery after it wears out
2. Possibly have spare battery charged for extended runtime.
In two years time, when the current generation of tablets start needing battery replacements because of wear, I doubt you'll be willing to spend even $50 for a user replaceable battery. There would be much better tablets out by that time. It would make more sense to dock the old tablet and use the nice screen as a picture frame or weather/traffic display.
On the other hand, it might be nice to have a spare battery for extended run time, like when traveling. The 10 hour run time on a Transformer is long enough for domestic flights, but for long overseas flights, extra capacity would be useful. However, user replaceable batteries probably have to be charged inside the device, not externally. And I wonder how much more bulk/weight is added to tablet because of the hardware needed to accommodate replaceable batteries. You need to add outside contacts, battery cover. Real estate on a handheld device is such a premium.
Have you ever replaced the battery on your cell phone? That's the closest comparable device I could think of. For some reason, I would strongly prefer replaceable batteries on my cell phone, but I don't have the same strong preference for my tablet. Maybe because most tablets are too heavy to hold one handed for any amount of time, so I feel any added weight would be a bad design choice.
What are your thoughts?
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On the other hand, it might be nice to have a spare battery for extended run time, like when traveling. The 10 hour run time on a Transformer is long enough for domestic flights, but for long overseas flights, extra capacity would be useful.
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That's another good reason to have the dock.
On my recent trip from London to Shanghai, which was a 12 hour flight, I was able to use my TF whilst in the departure lounge waiting for flight to board, and then on the plane for close to the entire duration of the flight.
In use, I did have the TF undocked for the most part, but when I wasn't using it was put straight back into the dock and the battery topped up. The dock also served as a stand for when I wanted to watch videos etc and didn't want to actually hold the TF.
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For a cell phone or laptop I prefer to have a user replaceable battery. For the tablet, I have not had such need.
I Agree.
The Thrive really had me interested with the user replaceable battery, but after much thought, I realized that I have had laptops for over three years (IMO around the time to replace) and never had to change a battery, I have had cell phones for 10 years, and never had to replace a battery. So a tablet, that I will want to replace probably in 12-18 months (actually replace in 24-30 months) will still have a very useful battery. The extra weight is not necessary.
Yea I agree. If the device is some chinese knockoff then being able to access the battery is nice but for something like this I don't see a need. The only battery I've replaced was my 6 year old laptop about a year ago.
I'm sure in 6 years, the TF's battery issues will be someone else's problem.
I'm sure hobby shops and the likes can take it apart and replace the cells.
I don't usually keep devices more than a year or two, so I don't have an issue with the sealed battery.
I don't care about the battery. I love the ports. And the possibility that one of those indicator lights will eventually be used for notifications.
It's about as important as whether a company decides to sel any.
If the TF had a replaceable battery I have no confidence they would actually sell any because as of now they can't even sell a god damn replacement AC Adapter.
For the tablet I am not as concerned because its not usually mission critical and it lasts a long ass time. I love having one for the phone though because sometimes I rape the battery and I gotta have a phone.
so what do you do on the Transformer if it hangs and you need to do a hard reboot? I know it happens every few weeks with my Fascinate, which I admittedly have been hard on with custom roms and overclocking and what not.....but at some point the thing hard locks and if you can't pull the battery what do you do?
I dont care about replacing it because it needs replacing because i will sell it long before the batteries need replacing, same with cell phones.....
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so what do you do on the Transformer if it hangs and you need to do a hard reboot? I know it happens every few weeks with my Fascinate, which I admittedly have been hard on with custom roms and overclocking and what not.....but at some point the thing hard locks and if you can't pull the battery what do you do?
I dont care about replacing it because it needs replacing because i will sell it long before the batteries need replacing, same with cell phones.....
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Hold the power button for long enough and it will reboot.
Fact: Battery technology has improved leaps and bounds in just a few short years. They'll last at least five years.
Fact: Almost no one on this forum will keep their tablets beyond 18 months. Moore's Law.
So a replaceable battery is a moot point.
Maybe it can be replaced?
Since the battery is just a piece of electronic equipment inside the tablet, which many people have already opened up, why could it not be replaced? Just not within seconds and would require tools. Anybody thought about this already?
Or am I missing something?
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Carl LaFong said:
Fact: Battery technology has improved leaps and bounds in just a few short years. They'll last at least five years.
Fact: Almost no one on this forum will keep their tablets beyond 18 months. Moore's Law.
So a replaceable battery is a moot point.
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But wouldn't a replaceable battery give the seller a better resale value? If I wanted to buy a used TF in say 3-4yrs for whatever reason I know I'm going to most likely have to deal with a battery issue. Unless you sold it low enough I would rather buy the thrive because I know all I would have to do is buy a new battery. I'm assuming this will be much cheaper than replacing a TF battery (labor cost as well, assuming the average user won't try to open it).
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But wouldn't a replaceable battery give the seller a better resale value? If I wanted to buy a used TF in say 3-4yrs for whatever reason I know I'm going to most likely have to deal with a battery issue. Unless you sold it low enough I would rather buy the thrive because I know all I would have to do is buy a new battery. I'm assuming this will be much cheaper than replacing a TF battery (labor cost as well, assuming the average user won't try to open it).
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Lol. Technology devalues so fast that resell value on things like tablets and cell phones is pretty much irrelevant after a year. Even then, no, having a removable battery wouldn't affect it in the least.
longevity quality and demand are really all that matters.
For example; iphone's are still very expensive even a year after they come out when purchased used, Android phones on the other hands (which have removable batteries while iphone doesn't) devalue much faster after a year then do apple products. In this case it's because of demand. There is a new android phone every month, there is a new iphone every year or so...
Battery life is dependent on three key factors, typical charge and operating temperature, and the typical charge cycle profile.
Ambient temperature regularly above thirty degrees centigrade can dramatically shorten Li ion cell life.
Not a usual concern for a consumer device user.
Letting the battery charge fall below fifty percent regularly will significantly shorten life.
Cells will lose capacity over time and the capacity after five years can be less than fifty percent of the original capacity.
Thermal design of the device, charge algorithm of the device, and quality of the cell itself also play a roll in battery life of course.
But for a consumer device I won't worry about replaceable batteries much.
One of the reasons Eee Pad is attractive to me is low cost with the expectation of quick obsolescence in twelve to eighteen months.
Think about how many replaced their iPads for iPad2 in less than a years time. Tablets with true Quad-core ARM Cortex A15 processors will be available late 2012.
I don't see much resale value for these early tablet devices.
If you want to use the devices for an enterprise application deployment that lasts say two years replaceable battery would be valuable as the failure rate escalates after one year .
The manufacturer decision to add complexity of a replaceable battery would depend on majority of customer use cases and profitability of replacement battery sales.
Japanese maker's have been known to over-engineer their designs adding cost without much end user value. Good strategy when margins were high to keep competitors out, poison in the current markets.
I never have spare battery for cellphone or laptop, i dont think I will buy extra battery. The dock is good enough.
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Here is my experience:
My wife has a 2G iphone since october 2007 its battery is almost as good as day one, still last a whole day.
On the other hand I bought spare battery for my HD2 but the poor thing never had the chance to prove being useful, most probably will end its life sitting in the drawer.
I have just ordered a Transformer from the USA
and hope that its battery will be as good as my 6 years old Asus eeepc 1000H which lasts almost 5 hours same as the day it was purchased.
Hope this helps.
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Good point guys. It makes sense.
Suppose you had a choice, the Note as it is with 2500ma battery, or my imaginary 6000ma Note. (see attachement).
2500ma to get you through a day with moderate use, or 6000ma for a day of unworried heavy use. (or two or three with normal use)
Kind of difficult without knowing the thickness of your imaginary Note. In any case, one of the reasons the Note's size is so manageable is because of how thin it is.
Considering that I get a full day (~12hrs) out of even heavy use with my note and 35+ hours with normal use, I cant really think why anyone would want to make this have a larger battery...
Using juice defender ultimate and 15% screen brightness.
Also, I cant believe most people dont realize that those crap mugen and other extended batteries are ususally nowhere near their advertised mAh rating. http://batteryboss.org/
A total scam and making people use bigger phones for practically a placebo effect battery life increase.
Aside from the scams...
I would like an official larger battery, fitting in a bit thicker case, this would make it really my dream phone.
My day lasts a bit longer than 12hrs...
I also use Juice Defender, but this just helps when you are not using the phone....
Interesting, but I use an external USB battery pack. This means the phone doesn't have any extra weight. Sure, I have to carry an extra gadget, but it's only when I need it and they make them in all sorts of sizes so it's not much of a compromise.
I think, there is certainly space for a bigger battery, considering it is almost same hardware inside on the S2 it should be plenty of room for a bigger battery. Maybe they could used a bigger battery which was thinner...anyway..if you could always have two batteries an extra battery in your pocket... the battery does not cost much..
But yeah I like if you had the choose to buy a bigger battery like on your picture, and then buy a new back case..
I am happy with the thickness as is and wouldn't want to increase it. I can always use titanium to freeze any apps that I require for little extra reach anyways.
I don't need a 6000mah battery
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Interesting, but I use an external USB battery pack. This means the phone doesn't have any extra weight. Sure, I have to carry an extra gadget, but it's only when I need it and they make them in all sorts of sizes so it's not much of a compromise.
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and so far I would say the Note has better power consumption vs. battery size than my SGSII did.
SNiiPE_DoGG said:
Considering that I get a full day (~12hrs) out of even heavy use with my note and 35+ hours with normal use, I cant really think why anyone would want to make this have a larger battery...
Using juice defender ultimate and 15% screen brightness.
Also, I cant believe most people dont realize that those crap mugen and other extended batteries are ususally nowhere near their advertised mAh rating. http://batteryboss.org/
A total scam and making people use bigger phones for practically a placebo effect battery life increase.
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Is that really true? I don't get the impression from the other battery life thread that the Note can last an entire working day without dying. If that's possible then great, but I would appreciate if you can provide just a bit more details about your usage. Let's put it like this, will the Galaxy Note last from 8 AM to 8 PM with my defined usage pattern listed below.
I don't need a battery that will last 2 or more days. I need a phone that will work permit hours of web browsing, 4 push e-mail accounts, and instant messaging running in the background. My iPhone 4 will easily last the entire day thank to the battery case. If it wasn't for my Mophie case, then I wouldn't be able to do it.
Is 15% brightness adequate?
Right.
I had a mophie for my iPhones, a battery pack for my S2, and would like a longer lasting Note. Especially for the Note, since its size invites to keep my desktop turned off.
But the battery included with the Note doesn't survive a whole day of heavy use, just moderate use.
So you have to revert to Juice defenders, mophies and keep an eye on the battery, carry chargers etc.
It would be, at least for me, very convenient and relaxing to have a phone where you don't need to think about power management.
And I think I am not alone.
It would be easy for Samsung to make a longer lasting phone, and it would sell.
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Make 2 versions, 2500 and 5000 for instance....let the people decide !!!
I use my note alot during my workdays. And it last my 8 hour day easy with realy heavy use.
But like today when ive been busy with my machine at work ive just had radio on the whole day and maby got around 1-2 hour of browsing, watching movie, gaming, etc. And after 8 hours my battery is on 75%.
Whats draining most of my battery is the connection with the 3g network and syncing. Using my msn app the whole day will make it drain alot more.
And the screen. If you have the screen on alot it will drain the battery realy fast with high brightness. So the lower you can have the better. The difference between 75% and 25% is huge for me.
And for those that will have more battery power i think a external batterypack is pretty good solution. Ive one for backup for times when i know im going to use my phone much during a long time without the possibility to charge.
Can have my batterypack in my pocket while i use and charge my phone.
a little too thick from the picture but would be nice if the same thickness then i'd go for the 6000ma one or just get another spare battery for the heavy use .
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Is that really true? I don't get the impression from the other battery life thread that the Note can last an entire working day without dying. If that's possible then great, but I would appreciate if you can provide just a bit more details about your usage. Let's put it like this, will the Galaxy Note last from 8 AM to 8 PM with my defined usage pattern listed below.
I don't need a battery that will last 2 or more days. I need a phone that will work permit hours of web browsing, 4 push e-mail accounts, and instant messaging running in the background. My iPhone 4 will easily last the entire day thank to the battery case. If it wasn't for my Mophie case, then I wouldn't be able to do it.
Is 15% brightness adequate?
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It's completely true, once you set the phone up right it has incredible battery life. I'm not talking setting the phone up to be crippled like I have had to do with previous android phones either, this thing just goes. After a day (9hrs) of normal use in my office (texting, surfing and using reddit is fun) My battery was at 80%
People dont set up their phones right, and/or complain about the battery life after spending all the first day with the phone downloading apps and gazing at the beautiful screen are the ones misleading saying this phone has bad battery.
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I use my note alot during my workdays. And it last my 8 hour day easy with realy heavy use.
But like today when ive been busy with my machine at work ive just had radio on the whole day and maby got around 1-2 hour of browsing, watching movie, gaming, etc. And after 8 hours my battery is on 75%.
Whats draining most of my battery is the connection with the 3g network and syncing. Using my msn app the whole day will make it drain alot more.
And the screen. If you have the screen on alot it will drain the battery realy fast with high brightness. So the lower you can have the better. The difference between 75% and 25% is huge for me.
And for those that will have more battery power i think a external batterypack is pretty good solution. Ive one for backup for times when i know im going to use my phone much during a long time without the possibility to charge.
Can have my batterypack in my pocket while i use and charge my phone.
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I agree that using 3G will drain the battery faster, but I didn't subscribe to adapts connection and then exclusively use wifi.
Is 25% screen brightness adequate for outside viewing?
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It's completely true, once you set the phone up right it has incredible battery life. I'm not talking setting the phone up to be crippled like I have had to do with previous android phones either, this thing just goes. After a day (9hrs) of normal use in my office (texting, surfing and using reddit is fun) My battery was at 80%
People dont set up their phones right, and/or complain about the battery life after spending all the first day with the phone downloading apps and gazing at the beautiful screen are the ones misleading saying this phone has bad battery.
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I totally appreciate your feedback here, but can you be specific about the settings that you're using to achieve such great battery life?
Is 15% brightness enough for outside viewing?
Also interested in what "set the phone up right" means
All of above that, you need to find a good kernel to be developed.
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The Samsung Galaxy S2 has horrible battery life. The 1650mah battery will not suffice to anyone but light users.
In my eyes, there are many unacceptable solutions:
- Disabling battery hungry features (lowering screen brightness, undervolting CPU, uninstalling certains apps, disabling real-time sync, etc.) - I find this compromise unacceptable, I bought this device to use it with all its glory.
- Using a larger extended battery - I find this solution unacceptable, since in order for a poweruser to get through the day, at least a 3000mah battery is required. Such a battery, although exist for the S2, adds significant weight and bulk. The device becomes ugly and uncomfortable to carry around.
- Upgrading to a device with much better battery life - currently there are two, the Motorola Maxx, which I find ugly, and the Samsung Note 2, which is realy big to handle...
So, after much thought and experimentation, I finally want to report my success story (yes it's an old solution, but somehow most don't understand its enourmous power): I'm using a secondary battery. I bought another original 1650mah battery (with a seperate charger). The 1650mah battery is very light and small, so it easily fits inside my very small wallet. When I need to switch (middle day), I clocked the switch at just under 60 seconds (from pressing the power off button, to being able to fully use the device again with a fresh battery including the rubber case installed).
This is such a simple solution, it has practically zero drawbacks (If you don't mind losing 60 seconds of your life everyday...), it gives you the equivalent of a 3300mah battery (which is much more than any extended battery advertized as being 3300mah, even Mugen's), yet so few people use it...
wowwww you wrote all this just to tell us you have a secondary battery.
I know, it seems like an overkill but really, I spent 1.5 years trying to solve the S2 battery problem without huge compromises (and everything else apart from a secondary battery is a huge compromise), and I can only regret I didn't read a post like mine...
u wasted ur 1,5 years for just a secondary batt??? do u know how funny u're...
how about having a micro USB powerbank??
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S 2's battery actually doesn't suck. It is better than most of android phones.
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I know, it seems like an overkill but really, I spent 1.5 years trying to solve the S2 battery problem without huge compromises (and everything else apart from a secondary battery is a huge compromise), and I can only regret I didn't read a post like mine...
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samsungs 2000mah extended battery iis realy good its just pricey
Don't see how this 'sollution' is from a different category than the other ones you've stated.. It all depends on the user, and what he/she knows about saving battery without UC and stuff.
Maybe you would last longer with one battery if your stories would be shorter
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Don't see how this 'sollution' is from a different category than the other ones you've stated.. It all depends on the user, and what he/she knows about saving battery without UC and stuff.
Maybe you would last longer with one battery if your stories would be shorter
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I thought I made it clear why the extra battery is a solution of a different category
- It allows you to have all the phone's features ON.
- It allows you to enjoy its comfortable, light and slick original design.
- It allows you to enjoy the equivalent of a *true* 3300mah battery.
- Minimal fuss (60 sec battery switch).
Nothing can come close to such a solution (for a power user who needs a long lasting phone). Practically no drawbacks, only benefits (in comparison to any other solution, which always present a severe compromise).
I think it's rather a good advice, than a "solution". And indeed, this is a feature you will miss whent it's gone: The replaceable battery. I've bought the 2000 mAh battery by Samsung. So I have the greater battery plus a secondary one, if needed.
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I think it's rather a good advice, than a "solution". And indeed, this is a feature you will miss whent it's gone: The replaceable battery. I boght the 2000 mAh battery by Samsung. So I have the greater battery plus a secondary one, if needed.
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I agree, the word "advice" is more appropriate
Btw, are the 1650mah and 2000mah batteries interchangeable ? I thought they use different battery cover...
Noam23 said:
The Samsung Galaxy S2 has horrible battery life. The 1650mah battery will not suffice to anyone but light users.
In my eyes, there are many unacceptable solutions:
- Disabling battery hungry features (lowering screen brightness, undervolting CPU, uninstalling certains apps, disabling real-time sync, etc.) - I find this compromise unacceptable, I bought this device to use it with all its glory.
- Using a larger extended battery - I find this solution unacceptable, since in order for a poweruser to get through the day, at least a 3000mah battery is required. Such a battery, although exist for the S2, adds significant weight and bulk. The device becomes ugly and uncomfortable to carry around.
- Upgrading to a device with much better battery life - currently there are two, the Motorola Maxx, which I find ugly, and the Samsung Note 2, which is realy big to handle...
So, after much thought and experimentation, I finally want to report my success story (yes it's an old solution, but somehow most don't understand its enourmous power): I'm using a secondary battery. I bought another original 1650mah battery (with a seperate charger). The 1650mah battery is very light and small, so it easily fits inside my very small wallet. When I need to switch (middle day), I clocked the switch at just under 60 seconds (from pressing the power off button, to being able to fully use the device again with a fresh battery including the rubber case installed).
This is such a simple solution, it has practically zero drawbacks (If you don't mind losing 60 seconds of your life everyday...), it gives you the equivalent of a 3300mah battery (which is much more than any extended battery advertized as being 3300mah, even Mugen's), yet so few people use it...
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you still have to carry the cover everywhere too.
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you really cant notice the samsung extended battery is any bigger, especially if you have a case on your phone then it is impossible to tell. Much better than carrying and charging two batteries imo!
I dont have the extended battery and when using my phone hard over the day i can get 5 hours screen time on standard size anker battery. Have you tried using BBS to workout why your battery life is soo poor?
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you still have to carry the cover everywhere too.
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What do you mean "carry the cover everywhere" ? which cover ? I only carry the additional 1650mah battery in my wallet...
iamflamez said:
you really cant notice the samsung extended battery is any bigger, especially if you have a case on your phone then it is impossible to tell. Much better than carrying and charging two batteries imo!
I dont have the extended battery and when using my phone hard over the day i can get 5 hours screen time on standard size anker battery. Have you tried using BBS to workout why your battery life is soo poor?
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But you can't compare two 1650mah batteries to one 2000mah battery... the 3300mah solution gives you 65% more juice...
Regarding carrying an additional 1650mah battery, it's so small and light (30 grams) that after putting it in my wallet I forget about it completely. Charging two batteries is no fuss at all, if you have a seperate battery charger.
You are getting 5 hours screen time on 1650mah battery ? for me this is impossible, while every feature is ON (real time sync, auto brightness, facebook app, normal volt, constant 3G connection) I get this amount from two batteries (but the phone operates much more than 5 hours, more like 20). I do have bad reception at my work, which might drain the battery more.
2000+1650 battery is better than your solution, lol
nevelast said:
2000+1650 battery is better than your solution, lol
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And 2000 + 2000 is even better
But really, 3300mah is more than anyone would require in 1 day. It's really an overkill in itself (it's more than the Note 2 battery, and for a much smaller screen...).
you forgot the 1650 battery that came with the phone & money spent in vain?!
How do you charge both of the batteries? I mean you have one s2, or you use external charger to charge extra battery?
And My S2 lasts a day with 3hour of music, 4hour of screentime! No undervolting or compromise, Wifi n Data mostly on, I even use Google Now! Stweaks settings for best performance!
Sh4Dy said:
How do you charge both of the batteries? I mean you have one s2, or you use external charger to charge extra battery?
And My S2 lasts a day with 3hour of music, 4hour of screentime! No undervolting or compromise, Wifi n Data mostly on, I even use Google Now! Stweaks settings for best performance!
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Yes, I use external charger to charge the extra battery ($10 on ebay), and another $25 for the extra original 1650mah battery.
I think the battery life has a lot to do with the signal quality, and the signal sucks at my workplace (also, if you are using WIFI instead of 3G you'll again save a lot in battery, but I'm using 3G...).
Noam23 said:
Yes, I use external charger to charge the extra battery ($10 on ebay), and another $25 for the extra original 1650mah battery.
I think the battery life has a lot to do with the signal quality, and the signal sucks at my workplace (also, if you are using WIFI instead of 3G you'll again save a lot in battery, but I'm using 3G...).
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I use both, but mostly Wifi.
Edit: And I don't like keeping it on minimum brightness, it kinda changes colors in S Amoled. White seems yellowish, grey becomes something else, so I keep it around 35-40%
I've read that the S 4 is supposed to have good battery life, with reviews claiming that nothing you can throw at it will make it go below a day, but here's my problem: the turds doing reviews online don't actually use their phone.
I currently have an S II with a 2000mAh battery. Pebble connected, hundreds of Tasker actions/profiles/scenes going off all over the place, A2DP audio streaming, everything turned on all the time, and so on. The 2000 mAh battery in the S II is barely enough to get me through the day at this point, and so 2600mAh paired with a screen that much larger and higher res worries me. I don't buy a phone to play Tamagotchi with the battery, I buy it to use it, so I expect to be able to do whatever I want and not worry about the battery.
So, my question is simple: does anyone who actually use their phone for what it's worth have any thoughts on battery life? I've looked at extended batteries in any case, but it would be nice to hear how it does without such an upgrade.
Use BetterBatteryStats to see what's using your battery or maybe wakelocks
Get a spare if you're going to get an S4 & you use the phone that much. I was pleasantly surprised with the battery life given the things you've mentioned, and I have no problem getting through the day with the 2600mAh battery.
You could get a 3rd party extended battery from one of the more reputable manufacturers (not my thing, but might be yours), or you could even get something like a Trident Electra hard case which has an extended battery built into it (2600mAh) which pretty much doubles the available zzz's you have at your disposal. I would have thought that would be plenty even for a heavy users' daily use (charge at night).
As to whether you personally need either of these, that's going to be hard to say even if you try & give people an idea of your usage. You're really only going to know if you get the phone & set it up/use it the way you do.
Put it this way, if you like/want the phone for whatever reasons you have, get it. You have plenty of options re: battery life & I'd be very surprised if you couldn't easily find a good solution.