Hi i have looked just about everywhere i can find and have been unable to find any sort of concrete information, if anyone has themselves replaced the digitizer how did you go about doing it? As of now i am unable to tell if it is possible to take the screen off from the front and snake the connector back through where the other one went and just hook it all in that way (it is my understanding that it is held in by double sided tape making this possible) thus avoiding taking it apart piece by piece, or if i will have to take the entire unit apart piece by piece to do the install(also i suppose if anyone knows a few specific screws that will release the whole insides as one unit it would be very helpful). Anyways anyone with any experience doing this your advice would be greatly appreciated and if not i suppose i will be tinkering with it and try to figure it out on my own.
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Hi i have looked just about everywhere i can find and have been unable to find any sort of concrete information, if anyone has themselves replaced the digitizer how did you go about doing it? As of now i am unable to tell if it is possible to take the screen off from the front and snake the connector back through where the other one went and just hook it all in that way (it is my understanding that it is held in by double sided tape making this possible) thus avoiding taking it apart piece by piece, or if i will have to take the entire unit apart piece by piece to do the install(also i suppose if anyone knows a few specific screws that will release the whole insides as one unit it would be very helpful). Anyways anyone with any experience doing this your advice would be greatly appreciated and if not i suppose i will be tinkering with it and try to figure it out on my own.
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Try youtube. I found one for the eepad tf101 i think http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-6dKsGJ4VY&feature=plcp its the best reference you can get...otherwise keep trying repair websites I think Ifixit would be a good place ( although I can't be 100% sure). I dont know for sure but it seems that the lcd and the digitiser are most likely adhered together, most capacitive displays are these days are; so the best option would be to use a heat gun to seperate the two or i guess a hairdryer. But thats after you remove all the frame and stuff off it lololol. So you might just have to spend at LEAST two days with nothing to do besides repair...If it happened to me and if asus voided my warranty or i ran out of warranty I would do it...considering I have experience with repairing laptop lcds and phones, so I guess I would be brave enough to try. Otherwise the cost of repair is 200+...and by comparing replacement digitisers http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Asus-EeePad-Transformer-TF300-Touch-Screen-Digitizer-Glass-Replacement-Brand-New-/280929374154?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4168b20fca#ht_4213wt_1397 this being the cheapest, you might have to look at the most viable option here. Hope this helps. Goodluck
This is the way I fixed the wifi\bluetooth error with continuous rebooting on my Atrix.
I did not come up with it, and I do not guarantee it will work in your device, I'm simply sharing this because it's information that's hard to find and understand. I fixed my device in this way, so have others. I do not take responsability for any damage you might make to your device attempting this fix, and I do not claim it will work forever - it's been two days for me and still great!
For completeness sake, if you guys want to check other proposed fixes and some reasons why they might or might not work, here is this great post by mvniekerk, a person more far more knowlegble then me when it comes to these technological issues:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1655071
I'd also like to thank John-aurelio, junior member, who initially posted about this fix here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1655071&page=4
All credit goes to him!
So, what did I do?
1) I cut out two rectagular pieces of plastic from a pill tin, glued them on top of each other with scotch tape. I think any thin piece of plastic should do.
2) Opened up my Atrix by removing screws with a T5 Torx screwdriver. If you don't know how to do this check out this teardown by ifixit: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Motorola+Atrix+4G+Teardown/4964/1
3) Slightly raised the motherboard and placed the plastic rectangle under it, with a little bit sticking out into the battery compartment.
To my amazement it worked, it is still working.
I wanted to tell you guys why, but I don't know. Perhaps one of you guys wants to experiment applying pressure to each component separately to find out the culprit?
Also, I'm curious to know if this will work for all of you, or just some of you.
Here are the pics:
This last one is the piece of tin\plastic with tape, side by side with a pencil for scale. Its not the tin I used, but its basically the same, but the one I used has white paint, I don't know if should make a difference. If you're worried about shorts just cover the whole thing in tape or cut plastic from a bottle or something.
The first two are how its supposed to look in the end.
[EDIT]: Here are some more pics:
This is the piece of plastic I used. It doesn't show, but it is very thin, one milimiter thick, if even.
These are of the open device. In the last one the plastic piece is a little eschewed, but you get the idea.
Cheerios
Huh. This is similar to the fix some people did with the digitizer problem. Seems like the the connectors on this phone tend to come loose, to where pressure in the right direction will fix it.
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This is the way I fixed the wifi\bluetooth error with continuous rebooting on my Atrix.
I did not come up with it, and I do not guarantee it will work in your device, I'm simply sharing this because it's information that's hard to find and understand. I fixed my device in this way, so have others. I do not take responsability for any damage you might make to your device attempting this fix, and I do not claim it will work forever - it's been two days for me and still great!
For completeness sake, if you guys want to check other proposed fixes and some reasons why they might or might not work, here is this great post by mvniekerk, a person more far more knowlegble then me when it comes to these technological issues:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1655071
I'd also like to thank John-aurelio, junior member, who initially posted about this fix here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1655071&page=4
All credit goes to him!
So, what did I do?
1) I cut out two rectagular pieces of plastic from a pill tin, glued them on top of each other with scotch tape. I think any thin piece of plastic should do.
2) Opened up my Atrix by removing screws with a T5 Torx screwdriver.
3) Slightly raised the motherboard and placed the plastic rectangle under it, with a little bit sticking out into the battery compartment.
To my amazement it worked, it is still working.
I wanted to tell you guys why, but I don't know. Perhaps one of you guys wants to experiment applying pressure to each component separately to find out the culprit?
Also, I'm curious to know if this will work for all of you, or just some of you.
Here are the pics:
This last one is the piece of tin\plastic with tape, side by side with a pencil for scale. Its not the tin I used, but its basically the same, but the one I used has white paint, I don't know if should make a difference. If you're worried about shorts just cover the whole thing in tape or cut plastic from a bottle or something.
The first two are how its supposed to look in the end.
Sorry for no open device pics, I did this yesterday and don't really feel like opening my phone, but if you guys think its needed I'll do it later.
Cheerios
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A detailed How To to show us what to do exactly, we can do much ourselves with just this pics. :/
EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYz_RiuFVRk had anyone seen this?
Will try this with my wifi broken atrix tomorrow.
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A detailed How To to show us what to do exactly, we can do much ourselves with just this pics. :/
EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYz_RiuFVRk had anyone seen this?
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It's literally as simple as opening the atrix and placing the plastic under the motherboard, I don't think it gets any easier then that. But I'll try to take more photos.
As for that video, there are reports of people killing their mobiles by breaking the piece holding the battery or killing the nearby ICs trying that. That guy is just too rough. Also, it doesn't show the battery actually being replaced. If you wanna try to replace the battery, better do it gently and stay clear of that video
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If the solution is to apply pressure to certain parts of the board then it's likely similar to the infamous nVidia issues from around 2008 where the chips were getting hot enough to expand and brake the solder connection or in some cases, rip some of the pads from the board. If that is the case, be careful, as flexing the board the wrong way could eventually lead to making it worse over time.
I can't believe this actually worked. Been using my Atrix for the whole weekend on WIFI. Also finally been able to use my Lapdock properly.
Thanks so much for such a simple fix.
If its any help to anyone, I ended up using an old debit card, as its seems the perfect height to give enough pressure on the board.
It did take a few goes, but as long as you persist with it, it works really well. Plus no more over heating too.
Thanks again
holy crap. 5 minutes and its fixed! thank you
Cause found??
Hi everybody,
I might have an idea what causes the wifi errors. As the wifi gets fixed by changing the motherboard's position, the motherboard is not fastened properly. This might be caused by the vibration function that is located on the part of the motherboard you would need to move up.(see the location of the vibrationfuction in the attachment.)
If so, should this function be less used then?
Thanks Newbleeto! I was so frustrated with this issue. I was initially trying based that youtube video link by someone else which never worked for me. I later decided to try your solution and it worked for me the very first time Appreciate your help!
Thanks, seems to work!
What an interesting tweak. There some validity to this. The Atrix 4G is notorious for wifi, bluetooth, and GPS dropout. This is largely due to kernel and rom. However I have seem plenty of Atrix4Gs with loose antenna clamps. Usually I apply a little pressure in the outside of the clamp to reform it slightly so it will maintain hold on the reciever socket. Second thing I look at is the shielding around the mainboard. This acts as a heatsink and guard. If depressed in anyway will cause massive heating along with grounding. The antenna clusters are not well separated from RF interference from one another to begin with. Metal in general will restricted RF signals considerably depending on its frequency. The greater the frequency the lower it's ability to perpetrate materials.
From the looks of it your directing RF crossover and bounce back away from each antenna. This is a good thing. It also means as long as the phone is not held on its edge towards any receiving end it won't effect talk and data very much.
My experiments with the Atrix4G always had a bit of unpredictable outcome when it came to pressure on the ribbon connections. This would result in the screen blacking out, digitizer over sensitive or non responsive, failure to boot and so on. Pressure is a big deal with these phones so be careful.
Happy tinkering
IT WORKS
after nearly 4 months of this bug i finally had the guts to open up my phone and do this fix.
and it is working , my wifi is back thank you OP. :highfive::highfive::highfive::highfive::highfive::highfive::highfive::highfive::highfive::highfive::highfive::highfive::victory::victory:
This method works wonderfully. Thanks, OP!
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This method works wonderfully. Thanks, OP!
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Spoke too soon. This fix stopped working after two days.... Back to Wifi Error and boot loop. :crying:
I got my wifi to work again, there are two snap on connectors on the same side of the phone. I put 2x pieces of toilet paper cardboard between the frame of the phone and the connector, pushing the connector tighter to the other side.
I'd like to confrm that it works to me !
Thank you, I spent dozens of hours to try solve it.
Newbleeto said:
This is the way I fixed the wifi\bluetooth error with continuous rebooting on my Atrix.
I did not come up with it, and I do not guarantee it will work in your device, I'm simply sharing this because it's information that's hard to find and understand. I fixed my device in this way, so have others. I do not take responsability for any damage you might make to your device attempting this fix, and I do not claim it will work forever - it's been two days for me and still great!
For completeness sake, if you guys want to check other proposed fixes and some reasons why they might or might not work, here is this great post by mvniekerk, a person more far more knowlegble then me when it comes to these technological issues:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1655071
I'd also like to thank John-aurelio, junior member, who initially posted about this fix here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1655071&page=4
All credit goes to him!
So, what did I do?
1) I cut out two rectagular pieces of plastic from a pill tin, glued them on top of each other with scotch tape. I think any thin piece of plastic should do.
2) Opened up my Atrix by removing screws with a T5 Torx screwdriver. If you don't know how to do this check out this teardown by ifixit: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Motorola+Atrix+4G+Teardown/4964/1
3) Slightly raised the motherboard and placed the plastic rectangle under it, with a little bit sticking out into the battery compartment.
To my amazement it worked, it is still working.
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Cheerios
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I did this as well, and it's been working perfectly for over a week now. Battery life has tripled to 24h (back where it used to be, what a relief) and the wifi is back to being perfect.
In my case, I cut a small piece out of an old credit card and inserted into the section highlighted in the attached picture, inside to out (from the battery bay towards the side). There are flat cables/strips underneath and you probably don't want to insert your spacer material from the outside in. Make sure that the plastic strip fits completely underneath the board, otherwise you won't be able to properly close the back.
Thanks!
To add some data to this can all of you confirm the kernel and rom you are useing before and after this mod. Would help all of us in the future for reference. Thanks.
Cab121 said:
To add some data to this can all of you confirm the kernel and rom you are useing before and after this mod. Would help all of us in the future for reference. Thanks.
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Sure, no problem!
Atrix 4G (Bell Canada)
Unlocked and rooted by yours truly (don't ask how, I'm still not sure I know what I did)
CynaogenMod 10.1 from epinter: Megathread or linuxmobile.org site, builds 2013-08-07 + hporch32 kernel (before and after mod) & 2013-08-26 + hporch32 kernel (after mod)
Radio: Telstra N_01.87.00R
Hi. This happened a while ago but I finally have the time to deal with my poor Nexus 6p. It spent a few minutes in a hot tub a few months back. Rice for more than 48 hours - nothing. Brought it to Staples where they put it in the machine that heats the gel balls (?) to remove the moisture. Charged it for a few minutes there and it actually turned on! Awesome, except the touch screen doesn't work. Battery seems to hold a charge, screen turns on and looks fine, volume and power buttons work, and I couldn't figure a way to test the fingerprint scanner or camera. Factory reset it. So now the phone is stuck to booting to the options menu with recovery mode and all that.
Is it possible to determine or guess what is wrong from this information? I've looked at the teardown, and I'd assume there is an issue with the pressure sensor, but I don't know enough about phone construction and parts to know if it's the sensor, or the part that connects the sensor to the screen, or something completely different.
I wanted to get some advice on what to do from here. Other than tossing it or leaving it forever, I have three options:
1. Repair shop: This seems like the easiest option, but potentially expensive enough that I'd be better off getting a whole new phone instead. Would a diagnosis be a separate process/transaction than the actual repair service? There are a few nearby shops for me to check out.
2. Fix it myself: The 6P seems like a pain in the ass to take apart and put back together (2/10 repairability score). I don't think it's beyond my ability, but the time and risk that it involves for me to do it myself makes me very hesitant. I also don't know exactly what I'll find inside the phone.
3. Sell it: Sell for parts and buy a new phone. If it comes to this, I need to know what I should expect to get for it. It's good hardware, and the parts that still work seem in good shape.
I wanted to consult the internet before going any further. So, how boned is my phone? Any different suggestions? Thanks for reading and I appreciate any advice.
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Hi. This happened a while ago but I finally have the time to deal with my poor Nexus 6p. It spent a few minutes in a hot tub a few months back. Rice for more than 48 hours - nothing. Brought it to Staples where they put it in the machine that heats the gel balls (?) to remove the moisture. Charged it for a few minutes there and it actually turned on! Awesome, except the touch screen doesn't work. Battery seems to hold a charge, screen turns on and looks fine, volume and power buttons work, and I couldn't figure a way to test the fingerprint scanner or camera. Factory reset it. So now the phone is stuck to booting to the options menu with recovery mode and all that.
Is it possible to determine or guess what is wrong from this information? I've looked at the teardown, and I'd assume there is an issue with the pressure sensor, but I don't know enough about phone construction and parts to know if it's the sensor, or the part that connects the sensor to the screen, or something completely different.
I wanted to get some advice on what to do from here. Other than tossing it or leaving it forever, I have three options:
1. Repair shop: This seems like the easiest option, but potentially expensive enough that I'd be better off getting a whole new phone instead. Would a diagnosis be a separate process/transaction than the actual repair service? There are a few nearby shops for me to check out.
2. Fix it myself: The 6P seems like a pain in the ass to take apart and put back together (2/10 repairability score). I don't think it's beyond my ability, but the time and risk that it involves for me to do it myself makes me very hesitant. I also don't know exactly what I'll find inside the phone.
3. Sell it: Sell for parts and buy a new phone. If it comes to this, I need to know what I should expect to get for it. It's good hardware, and the parts that still work seem in good shape.
I wanted to consult the internet before going any further. So, how boned is my phone? Any different suggestions? Thanks for reading and I appreciate any advice.
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You could flash the factory image but I guess you still wouldn't get past the setup screen without touch. I've been repairing electronics for 10+ years and if it came into my work I would disassemble it and look for obvious signs of damage/corrosion at the screen/digitizer connections, and look for track marks on the motherboard where a short could have occurred, or blown fuses/resisitors/diodes for the digitizer. Beyond that it's really a matter of swapping in a screen assembly (we have cracked glass 6p lcd assemblies that would work fine as a test unit). If that doesn't fix it, I'd order a main board. Having said that, it's not a phone I would want to own or even repair for a customer without telling them about the potential for future issues from the water damage. PM me if you want to sell it cheap for parts.
Screen and digitizer assembly is 'only' $60 - $80 on ebay or ali. So that is worth the risk. If this is not the problem you can sell it again for the same price, so no money loss here.
Waiting a few months though, is a long time to wait to dry your electronic devices. When it happens the best is to take it apart immediately to avoid corrosion.
The 6P is not easy to take apart, but it is do-able. Hardest part is the glass on the back. But if it cracks, a replacement will cost you less then 10 bucks.
What I would do is order the screen, take the phone fully apart, if there is a lot of corrosion, wash the mainboard in a contact cleaner (or if you don't have this, wd40 could work) then wash it with alcohol (to remove the wd40) and let it dry. Assemble the phone with the new screen, and hopefully it works. This way I fixed an Oneplus One 6 months ago, and it is still running perfectly.
To add a bit of clarification - use 99% USP Isopropyl Alcohol. It shouldn't be more than five bucks at your local pharmacy (Shoppers Drug Mart in Canada sells it for $1.99 for 500mL).
While using the 75% USP won't cause any serious issues, it is diluted with water, as it's more of an antiseptic (I can explain why 75% is better for wound cleansing than 99% if anyone wishes), and you'd just be prolonging the drying/repair process.
Use a lint-free cloth to dab the components - keep it away from the battery terminals on the battery itself. It is OK to clean the connecting terminals on the motherboard though. There are sandwich clips all over the LCD/motherboard, so be extra careful dabbing the cloth in there - one bent pin in any of those clips and your phone will need to be sent away for repair by a specialist.
DO NOT POUR IT ALL OVER THE COMPONENTS OR LEAVE IT SOAKING IN ANY AMOUNT OF ALCOHOL.
Okay so I did this to my battery last night, and so far today I've had my tablet on, with the wifi running, and downloading various apps, for an hour twenty minutes thus far today, and the battery is only down to 95 percent. Before I did this last night it would more likely be in the low 80's right now.
Okay so first off I should tell you, there is a bit of risk involved here, so unless you don't have a spare battery, or are not okay with going without your tablet till you can get a new one, should the worst happy, you might want to give it a moments thought.
But then my hands are shaking constantly and I managed it so not as much risk as I just made it seem, haha.
Okay so you'll need three things to do this. A pair of pliers. preferably Slip-joint pliers, mainly as that's the kind I used. Metal tweezers of the type you would find in a mini screwdriver set. And any magnifying glass. Honestly that last one is optional.
I'll have pictures of those up later.
Okay so first off we need to remove the little plastic piece from the wires, so grip it with the pliers, not to hard, and pull. It may take a few tries, but eventually you should pull it right off.
Next you take the tweezers, and one at a time, you squeeze, using only a bit of pressure, on the wire heads where the connectors on, and it should push the two connectors closer together if you use enough pressure.
Then you get the little plastic thing again, and it takes a bit of work, honestly this is the part that annoyed me the most, but stick with it, it is possible, you slowly push each connector wire back into the holes they were previously in.
Then connect it to your tablet same as you ever would and viola, better battery strength. :3
Thanks for that info. Waiting for the photos. Good work.
I should have the pics of the tools up after christmas.
Oh, but small bit of additional warning to those that do this, you have to be gentle with those wires. While putting them back in the connecter you may tear a bit of the wire covering, but that doesn't matter, my tablets working fine.
But on the spare battery I ruined a few months ago trying to do this by a different method, I was practicing on it first, and I was really struggling to get the last wire in and it broke off. Which I had no idea could even happen. Is there a way to fix that? I don't know.
Small bit of advice to add.
Use electrical tape, and stick it over the wires on both sides before you pull the connector off. It'll help avoid breaking anything.
Pics in a few days hopefully. Including that one.
Nother update. This is honestly an ongoing process.
Just completely forget the little plastic thing, and using a magnifying glass to see better just go and connect the connectors. As long as you tightened the ends on the wires enough it shouldn't pop off. Then just put a piece of electrical tape over it just in case.