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moving on

First off I would like to thank the developers for all of your hard work. Thank you guys or gals for sticking around when the big companies abandoned us. I just can't deal with a phone with no support from the companies who released it and give us the runaround when we ask them where's our support. Maybe its Samsung maybe its Verizon idk. But what I do know is that we've been ripped of and lied to. As soon as I'm able I'm trading in my phone for a company who doesn't lock their bootloaders and support their products. Like I said once before if it wasn't for you devs I would have left a long time ago, but I've reached my frustration point and its not worth the frustration

I agree. I only wish I had the money to trade it now haha! But seriously, big ups to the devs!

In the same boat
I am with you on that one, brother. Most likely (baring gingerbread miraculously making a showing on this turd before then), as soon as my one year comes up, I will pay the 20 bucks to drop the contract and renew for a better phone. Probably HTC or Moto. I made sure my girlfriend avoided the Charge like the plague when she got her new phone last weekend. If her LG seems to be a good phone, I might keep an eye on that company since I have loved most everything LG that I have owned, including my last 2 dumbphones. Also her Revo is an easy hack since LG left everything wide open...

For anyone intent on breaking ties with Verizon here's a way to avoid the ETF.... Should work for the next 60 days...
http://www.vzbuzz.com/2011/06/how-to-break-your-contract-without-paying-an-early-termination-fee/

Returning G4 (810)

The LG G4 is one of the best phones I have owned. I truly appreciate it, however it has some nagging issues with carrier restrictions and as much as I hate to do it, my AT&T 810 G4 is going back. I am not happy about it, and may pick up an international (815) one soon, but I decided this one was going back.
Why Send it back?
No Root, No Bootloader Unlock
AT&T Bloatware
AT&T Disabled FM Radio
AT&T OTA pushes
Leather back felt cheap, and I could not find a good case to fit it
Nexus 5 2015
This is a great phone, and I have nothing against functionality or performance.
Whats Next?
Returning to my trusty HTC One M7 (For Now)
See what happens with the Nexus 5 2015
Might pickup an LG G4 815 International
Wait and see where developers go with unlocking the G4

WLMiller54 said:
The LG G4 is one of the best phones I have owned. I truly appreciate it, however it has some nagging issues with carrier restrictions and as much as I hate to do it, my AT&T 810 G4 is going back. I am not happy about it, and may pick up an international (815) one soon, but I decided this one was going back.
Why Send it back?
No Root, No Bootloader Unlock
AT&T Bloatware
AT&T Disabled FM Radio
AT&T OTA pushes
Leather back felt cheap, and I could not find a good case to fit it
Nexus 5 2015
This is a great phone, and I have nothing against functionality or performance.
Whats Next?
Returning to my trusty HTC One M7 (For Now)
See what happens with the Nexus 5 2015
Might pickup an LG G4 815 International
Wait and see where developers go with unlocking the G4
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Root and unlock will happen, the leather back I have feels high class (t-mo brown) you can freeze bloat with de-bloater tool (all mine is) I dont use the radio (too many apps to use it, plus some of them have local radio) ota-cant help that... I'll most likely get the Nexus 5 as. Well....while keeping this phone.....you did admit its a great phone!

OP has all fair points. Not mad.. but sorry to see you go.

Laters.

WLMiller54 said:
Why Send it back?
No Root, No Bootloader Unlock
AT&T Bloatware
AT&T Disabled FM Radio
AT&T OTA pushes
Leather back felt cheap, and I could not find a good case to fit it
Nexus 5 2015
This is a great phone, and I have nothing against functionality or performance.
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Looks like you need to buy a phone full price, no carrier BS.
Sorry to see you go, but I completely understand. I have seen things in this forum that US carriers do to that phone and I have no idea WTF they are thinking.
As for root, I have faith.:good:

Sadly, mine's going back as well. As much as I like the phone, there are currently too many things that annoy me. I'm with Verizon, so the missing apps started me out on the wrong foot. Then throw in LG and/or Verizon not honoring the $100 GB of Google Drive storage as promised, and the touchscreen issues. Finally, I got a notice from Verizon and my bill went up $23 instead of dropping a couple bucks which two Best Buy reps assured me it would. I spoke to a Best Buy manager, and they agreed to return the phone a month after I purchased it (as well as cancel the Edge plan).
All in all, it's a great phone but it's not significantly better than my trusty G3 (slightly better CPU, camera, battery etc...) enough to offset the additional expense. I have a bunch of accessories for the G4 that I'm holding onto, so I'll probably pick one up further down the road. I'd opt for the international version for obvious reasons. I assume that the unlocked version will work fine on a CDMA network with the proper set-up.
UPDATE: Nope... I guess I'm keeping it. After two Verizon reps assured me that I could cancel my Edge agreement, when the time came to do so the rep I got said in no uncertain terms that it wasn't going to happen. So even though Best Buy admitted that they screwed up and offered to return the phone AND twice Verizon said otherwise, I'm now told that I would have to buy out the remainder of the contract. I can't complain too much, since I got the $100 Best Buy gift card and Verizon kicked in a $145 bill credit for the mistake.

Unlocked International won't be a good idea..... As long as Verizon doesn't transition to full LTE and still uses CDMA till 2017, this won't work as voice won't go over GSM...

Actually holding back from the G4 because of those as well. Let's see what this year's Nexus have to offer and probably the OnePlus Two as well.

I did the same. Unless there is a viable unlock + root option no LG G4 for me!

SCPadgeebar said:
Actually holding back from the G4 because of those as well. Let's see what this year's Nexus have to offer and probably the OnePlus Two as well.
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I agree, I am watching Nexus 5 2015 and the OnePlus Two as well .... If I can get a OP2 invite.
fpsq said:
I did the same. Unless there is a viable unlock + root option no LG G4 for me!
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Yep, I am waiting to. I may head back to LG4 if there is an unlock and root option.

I can certainly respect your decision, even if I would not do the same thing. Sorry that you did not get as much out of your G4 as you were expecting that you would, I just hope you can find a phone that fits your needs and you can have more fun with.
BTW - That Nexus 5 2015 does sound pretty promising, if you pick one up be sure to let me know how it is.

im in the same boat, Att H810 have the least number of bands out of all G4 variants, so I can't get data even when I unlock the phone to use in Asia.
But I am already past my 14 days period so fml.

ED2O9 said:
UPDATE: Nope... I guess I'm keeping it. After two Verizon reps assured me that I could cancel my Edge agreement, when the time came to do so the rep I got said in no uncertain terms that it wasn't going to happen. So even though Best Buy admitted that they screwed up and offered to return the phone AND twice Verizon said otherwise, I'm now told that I would have to buy out the remainder of the contract. I can't complain too much, since I got the $100 Best Buy gift card and Verizon kicked in a $145 bill credit for the mistake.
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Call recorder. This is a must have app for everyone who interacts with any business at all. They're always going to record your call for 'quality assurance', which automatically gives you the right to record it as well (at least in California) without informing them. Always good for CYA situations like this.

Next Phone for us on the 2 year upgrade cycle

Well, it's coming up on that time to think about our next phone. It seems that Samsung and Verizon is hell bent to keep us from flashing our phones. I've been looking around here and it seems that most of the developers have gone to Nexus and LG devices. From what I've seen so far I might go to the LG G4+ I recently heard rumor about.
What phones do you think is going to be popular among developers?

For sure, it isn't going to be the note 5, we all know why. The note 4 will still be with developers I'm guessing. The lg g4+ (lg g4 pro) is probably being announced at Berlin IFA and will be supported, look at the lg g4 devs.
The new nexus device will obviously be a powerhouse for a lot of people looking for an unlocked bootloader and stock vanilla android .
Anyways more devices might have support like the moto x series and sony's Xperia lines are good devices too compared to Samsung's insane pricing on their devices.

Definitely the new Nexus devices will be on the top of that list. I'm also looking @, for my use come Feb '16, a GSM G4 as well as the M9.
I'm interested in seeing what others have to say. This is what I want - removable battery, SD card slot, IR blaster, easy root and unlocked bootloader.
This is what I need - all of the above (or, if not a replaceable battery, then a battery case that allows on the fly recharging...)
I'm looking forward to Christmas and seeing what comes of it - that's the season (well, just prior to it) for all the new goodies...
What are others looking @?
I know I'm done with Samsung (iron fisted, whore mongers... No offense!) - they and Verizon have made it apparent who they believe owns my phone. Top it off with the lobotomized phones they now offer and they've gone from "smart" phone to "not-so-smart" phone...

I'm happy with my Note3 on Jasmine, but I don't see it getting an upgrade to Marshmallow. The note 5 is out of the question, I'd like a Note4(but the Verizon retail version doesn't appear to be rootable). I've got time, the Nexus on the Verizon site seems to be a bit light in the hardware side, the LG looks nice. Of course, there's always leaving Verizon, if I can convince the wife.

I just made the jump to TMO. I was afraid they'd not have the network I need here in Georgia, but they're comparable thus far to Big Red, with a greatly reduced cost structure and a heap more data for the $$$.
I was able to set my Note 3 (CDMA) up to work on TMO's GSM network and have awesome data speeds. It's a game changer - if I don't like them, I can move to AT&T and, when the time comes, root whatever I buy outright without the runaround that Verizon offers.
I thought about the Note 4 on TMO - it's an easy root but it's just not that much of an upgrade over the 3 and certainly not a $500+ upgrade. So, I'll stay put with the N3 and move to something else when this old daily driver don't drive no more... (That'll likely be Android "Zebra cake....")

release date

So I have been searching and found nothing about the release date of the V20 in Europe I still don't get LGs decision for Europe it seems idiotic they need to rehire their marketing department the UK is a big market let alone the whole Europe and with the Note 7 getting replaced the V20 is the goto device so LG has just essentially said no to millions of sales.

Should I get the V20 (new) or wait until V30's value drops?

Was thinking to get h918 unlocked and new, but not sure, if I should go for it. Was thinking to wait until v30 gets cheaper.
All I need is a basic fast phone, and an amazing DAC for my Pinnacle P1.

G6's price is down now. V30 will get price down after release of V40. V20 is not a phone to buy in 2018. Soon it will be out of 2 years major upgrade cycle and people are waiting for their first major upgrade. I think V30 will be worth waiting for. Don't go for V20 or G6.
Mate 9 is also a great phone.

I would say go for it.. It's cheap..last flagship worth removal battery...we're getting Oreo... treble isn't on the v30...so what's the difference between the two?..besides somewhat of a camera upgrade

dksoni411 said:
G6's price is down now. V30 will get download after release of V40. V20 is not a phone to buy in 2018. Soon it will be out of 2 years major upgrade cycle and people are waiting for their first major upgrade. I think V30 will be worth waiting for. Don't go for V20 or G6.
Mate 9 is also a great phone.
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Thanks, I'll wait for v30 then.
bountyman334 said:
I would say go for it.. It's cheap..last flagship worth removal battery...we're getting Oreo... treble isn't on the v30...so what's the difference between the two?..besides somewhat of a camera upgrade
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Oreo and that's it I guess. About the battery that's not practical walking around with a battery in your pocket in my opinion.
Thanks.

DanielDEV said:
Thanks, I'll wait for v30 then.
Oreo and that's it I guess. About the battery that's not practical walking around with a battery in your pocket in my opinion.
Thanks.
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Yup. My cousin got a V20. And there is him, always with charger in pocket. 2-3 hours of usage and he has to plug it again. And man, all those lags. Just used it yesterday for 30 minutes and I'm embarrass for recommending him to buy V20. (I told him to buy it almost 3 months ago)
If you people like custom rom buy OnePlus phones. If you like quick update then go for Pixel, Essential, Huawei.
I have an S8 snapdragon and I'm regretting buying it. Oreo is still not here (for all of us, I'm using Oreo by converted my G950w to G950U with no OTA support) even after 7 months and there is no hope for Treble to arrive, no bootloader unlock which means no custom roms.
In my opinion, Huawei is amazing after Google in updating because it is giving treble to existing phones by update from Nougat to Oreo and this means a lot because Samsung isn't doing that (As of Now). This means a lot to me and all Huawei's phones are bootloader unlockable (less developer, I know). But they have courage to give you new features without keeping it for their Next Flagships (Take Note 8 portrait mode for example). A develop can port Portrait mode for most phones but Samsung can't, wow.
And here's Huawei again giving AR Stickers and Facial recognition to its midrange phones through OTA without same strategy of Samsung.