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Hi guys,
I've just brought this fantastic device, and I'm very happy about it. He is really snappy whit Nova launcher However I would like to receive some suggestions from you on how to get the best from our N10.
For example, I was thinking to install a custom rom and a custom kernel, but I rly don't know which and I don't know if they rly can give some advantages.
I was thinking something like purity rom (because of tweaked bionic and dalvik libraries) + KT Kernel (because it has been recently updated). Or maybe KT kernel + stock rom + ART
What do you think? Have you got any suggestion? Tell me
PS: sry for my bad English
Hi,
I've been using CyanogenMod 11 with its own kernel for some long time now, it never ceased to disappoint me! However, it's not recommendable creating threads asking for the "best kernel/ROM", the best thing to be done is downloading and trying yourself until you find something that suits well your needs . CM11 with NOVA Launcher was good enough for me hehe.
~Lord
XxLordxX said:
Hi,
I've been using CyanogenMod 11 with its own kernel for some long time now, it never ceased to disappoint me! However, it's not recommendable creating threads asking for the "best kernel/ROM", the best thing to be done is downloading and trying yourself until you find something that suits well your needs . CM11 with NOVA Launcher was good enough for me hehe.
~Lord
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Eheh I know that, but I'm not a flash maniac, and rly I have fear to brick my device flashing and re-flashing roms on roms... That's why I'm asking your opinion. I would like to find immediately the best solution, flash it and then don't touch the device more.
However the for your opinion. I will keep it in mind
OmniSlyfer said:
Hi guys,
I've just brought this fantastic device, and I'm very happy about it. He is really snappy whit Nova launcher However I would like to receive some suggestions from you on how to get the best from our N10.
For example, I was thinking to install a custom rom and a custom kernel, but I rly don't know which and I don't know if they rly can give some advantages.
I was thinking something like purity rom (because of tweaked bionic and dalvik libraries) + KT Kernel (because it has been recently updated). Or maybe KT kernel + stock rom + ART
What do you think? Have you got any suggestion? Tell me
PS: sry for my bad English
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I think that the first thing you need to ask yourself is what are your priorities with this device? For instance gaming performance, media consumption, is stability paramount... Etc?
You may want to start off with rooted stock and add the XPosed framework plus modules that give you custom ROM features particularly Gravity Box. If you need more then change your kernel (Franco, KTManta ... Etc). No matter which way you go take nandroid backups and save them off your device before making a significant change (kernel, custom ROM, moving away from stock). Your recovery of choice will provide you with the nandroid backup/recovery functions.
Also read, read... Knowing the focus of a specific kernel or ROM will help in making your choices balanced by the issues other users are having.
Good luck.
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3DSammy said:
I think that the first thing you need to ask yourself is what are your priorities with this device? For instance gaming performance, media consumption, is stability paramount... Etc?
You may want to start off with rooted stock and add the XPosed framework plus modules that give you custom ROM features particularly Gravity Box. If you need more then change your kernel (Franco, KTManta ... Etc). No matter which way you go take nandroid backups and save them off your device before making a significant change (kernel, custom ROM, moving away from stock). Your recovery of choice will provide you with the nandroid backup/recovery functions.
Also read, read... Knowing the focus of a specific kernel or ROM will help in making your choices balanced by the issues other users are having.
Good luck.
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Thank for the answer.
Yeah I always read all the feature of roms... But they never speak about optimization or performance. They always add features and options on Android but... Nothing I can't get with gravitybox.
What I need is smoothness. Not necessarily game performance, but speed while moving from app to app without microlag.
However, let me ask here other questions without opening another thread:
1)Is it normal that, when trying to access the recovery (my device is locked and not rooted) it display "no commands"? Do I need to unlock the device to get into recovery?
2) Can you suggest me a program make backups of my games saves and apps without root? Because I need to backups my data before unlocking the device...
OmniSlyfer said:
Thank for the answer.
Yeah I always read all the feature of roms... But they never speak about optimization or performance. They always add features and options on Android but... Nothing I can't get with gravitybox.
What I need is smoothness. Not necessarily game performance, but speed while moving from app to app without microlag.
However, let me ask here other questions without opening another thread:
1)Is it normal that, when trying to access the recovery (my device is locked and not rooted) it display "no commands"? Do I need to unlock the device to get into recovery?
2) Can you suggest me a program make backups of my games saves and apps without root? Because I need to backups my data before unlocking the device...
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Well, I can't really speak on custom ROMs and kernels because I'm perfectly happy with running stock rooted with Xposed Framework on my N5, N7 (2013) and N10. But, to answer your questions:
1) Yes, it's normal. When you boot into Recovery, all you initially see is the android laying on his back with a red exclamation mark over him. In order to get the commands to show, you need to hit power + volume down (or maybe up, I always forget) at the same time. It can take a few tries with the buttons, but they'll eventually show up.
2) I believe an app called Helium is what you are looking for. I've never used it since I'm already rooted and use Titanium Backup, but I believe it kind of works the same as Titanium Backup.
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I'm perfectly happy with running stock rooted with Xposed Framework on my N5, N7 (2013) and N10.
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Do you mind providing the instructions of installing Xposed Framework on N4 and N10? Thanks a lot!
Nexus devices are very very hard to brick. Luckily. So no worries there mate. As for roms. Long story short: there is no best rom. If you want speed juat overclock the beast..
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mj56gt said:
Do you mind providing the instructions of installing Xposed Framework on N4 and N10? Thanks a lot!
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No problem. Everything you need to know can be found in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/framework-xposed-rom-modding-modifying-t1574401.
It's pretty straightforward. Just install the Xposed Installer apk, then go into the Xposed Installer app and hit "Install/Update". Reboot, and Xposed Framework should be installed. Then, just go back into the Xposed Installer app and click "Download" and choose whatever Modules you want to run. My personal favorites are Gravity Box, Unicon (purchased through the Play Store), Xuimod, and App Settings. I also have the Xposed GEL Settings (XGELS) Module, but only on my Nexus 10 since I love the Google Now Launcher, but it shrinks the icon grid considerably. So XGELS allows me to get the same number of icons on the GN Launcher as the default launcher.
Edit: Oh, and here is a collection of the Modules so you can see what each of them do: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/modules/index-collection-xposed-modules-post-t2327541
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No problem. Everything you need to know can be found in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/framework-xposed-rom-modding-modifying-t1574401.
It's pretty straightforward. Just install the Xposed Installer apk, then go into the Xposed Installer app and hit "Install/Update". Reboot, and Xposed Framework should be installed. Then, just go back into the Xposed Installer app and click "Download" and choose whatever Modules you want to run. My personal favorites are Gravity Box, Unicon (purchased through the Play Store), Xuimod, and App Settings. I also have the Xposed GEL Settings (XGELS) Module, but only on my Nexus 10 since I love the Google Now Launcher, but it shrinks the icon grid considerably. So XGELS allows me to get the same number of icons on the GN Launcher as the default launcher.
Edit: Oh, and here is a collection of the Modules so you can see what each of them do: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/modules/index-collection-xposed-modules-post-t2327541
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Thanks a lot for the detailed help!
A couple of questions:
1) Is backup necessary before the installation?
2) Does the Enable Translucent Decor module hide the navigation and notification bars?
3) Would the installation of the Xposed framework interfere with the stock ROM updates later on?
Thanks again for your kind help...
mj56gt said:
Thanks a lot for the detailed help!
A couple of questions:
1) Is backup necessary before the installation?
2) Does the Enable Translucent Decor module hide the navigation and notification bars?
3) Would the installation of the Xposed framework interfere with the stock ROM updates later on?
Thanks again for your kind help...
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No problem.
1) It's not really necessary, but before installing/flashing anything that can modify system files, I always think it's a good idea to make a backup beforehand. You never know. That being said, it's all really simple.
2) If you're talking about the solid black background in the notification and navigation bars, then yes. It doesn't completely get rid of them, it just makes the black bar transparent like it should be when using the Google Now Launcher. I don't use that specific module because I already use Gravity Box, and it already has that option to enable translucent decor. It works flawlessly. I don't know why Google said it causes issues on the Nexus 10. If you want to completely get rid of those two bars, you need to enable something like PIE controls and Expanded Desktop.
3) Yes. But the solution is simple. When you want to update via OTA, all you have to do is go into the Xposed Installer app, and under Framework, just click Uninstall. This replaces the modified Framework with the stock Framework so you can update via OTA without any issues. You don't even have to uncheck or uninstall your Modules or the Xposed Installer app itself. Then, after updating, you'll probably just have to re-root by flashing SuperSU in recovery (unless you have survival mode enabled). After that, simply go back into the Xposed Installer app, and under Framework again, click Install/Update. As long as you left your Modules as is, your setup should be back to how it was before you took the OTA.
Well guys, i think I'm going to install SlimKat 4.0 and KTmanta Kernel... I will tell you if I'm satisfied of my choice
Ok guys, I've done some tests and now I've decided too keep Purity rom + ART... And the results are incredible!
23000 score on Antutu benchmark
9000 with Quadrat
Incredible performances and a GREAT battery life, much better than stock rom with dalvik
I think that the tweaked ART and Kernel of Purity Rom deliver the best experience with our device. I suggest it, you will be surprised of the benefits you can get!
Thank to everyone who helped me in this thread
I have been very happy with my AOKP and Franco Kernel combination.
I've installed Purity ROM + ART and it's fast - but i still think stock 4.3 is faster. I tried KTManta and that didn't change things despite overclocking the CPU and GPU.Wish we could have ART on a 4.3 rom.
Are there any recommended 4.3 rom/kernel combos that give good performance?
Edit: First time i installed Purity I didn't install GApps. It was incredibily smooth and fast. After installing GApps, it became laggy again, similar to my experience of stock 4.4.2.
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I've installed Purity ROM + ART and it's fast - but i still think stock 4.3 is faster. I tried KTManta and that didn't change things despite overclocking the CPU and GPU.Wish we could have ART on a 4.3 rom.
Are there any recommended 4.3 rom/kernel combos that give good performance?
Edit: First time i installed Purity I didn't install GApps. It was incredibily smooth and fast. After installing GApps, it became laggy again, similar to my experience of stock 4.4.2.
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Do you really find 4.3 faster then kitkat + art? It's really strange. Well I know that the latest jelly bean firmware maybe is built better than 4.4.2 (which has got some bugs here and there, and yeah I prefer JB device options format) but ART is unbeatable, except by a very well tweaked Dalvik library.
However I think I know maybe why Purity 4.4.2 seems laggy to you. Maybe it's Google now launcher + transparent status bar & notification bar.
I've changed the launcher to Nova (but u can use Apex and similar) and immediately disabled translucent bars. It's smooth like butter now. With tra translucent bars, instead, everything was a little laggy and not fluid. In particular the Drawer scrolling was clearly laggy.
So, try to Nandroid backup, flash again Purity + Gapps. Then change Launcher (and unistall the google one if u want) and disable translucent bars. Then activate ART.
That's what I've done and I'm very happy of the performance provided by my Nexus 10
Also now I'm trying KTmanta Kernel. I didn't found increased performances, but I really like the possibility to undervolt both CPU & GPU. Undervolt = less energy request = No overheat = best battery life
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I have been very happy with my AOKP and Franco Kernel combination.
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But it doesn't support Undervolting, am I right?
OmniSlyfer said:
But it doesn't support Undervolting, am I right?
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Franco kernel supports undervolting
PHP:
SmokinCharger said:
Franco kernel supports undervolting
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This is cool
I' going to test KTmanta for another week, then I will switch to Franco kernel to see which is better
Sure I agree the general UI and multitasking is snappier with 4.4.2 with ART than 4.3.1...BUT I primarily bought the nexus 10 to consume media (e.g. video, ebooks, music) and for me buttered AOKP 4.3 is much smoother when watching video than any 4.4.2 rom/kernel combo I tried. The trade off is a bit of stutter in the UI but I can live with that. Video was just terrible on 4.4.2, including audio sync lag and plenty of dropped frames.
Can't wait to see how 4.5 behaves with video as I really like ART!
Hello, is someone experiencing lag in app switcher button? the animation gets very slow and take some seconds to execute and show the opened apps.
I'm using stock rom 4.4 + matr1x kernel with xposed (gravity toolbox + greenify + dynamic notifications).
Thank you.
jjforums said:
Hello, is someone experiencing lag in app switcher button? the animation gets very slow and take some seconds to execute and show the opened apps.
I'm using stock rom 4.4 + matr1x kernel with xposed (gravity toolbox + greenify + dynamic notifications).
Thank you.
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When was the last time you flashed a ROM?
How about ditching dalvik?
abaaaabbbb63 said:
When was the last time you flashed a ROM?
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Never flashed a ROM, just the kernel.
Flipz77 said:
How about ditching dalvik?
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I can't, because it's needed to use Xposed.
jjforums said:
Never flashed a ROM, just the kernel.
I can't, because it's needed to use Xposed.
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You should try. The stock rom isn't the smoothest one out there, and after a while system problems can occur.
You're obviously free to flash whatever you want, but I'd recommend a good custom ROM (of which we n4 owners have plenty) or even the L preview, which I've been running for months. If you're not absolutely adamant about xposed you can switch to the ART runtime (note: only option in L, finally) which has been around for roughly one year, and more or less everyone will tell you it's a great leap forward.
(How's your internal storage? Could explain the sluggishness)
Its 16gb Nexus 4. The thing about custom Roms is that, for what I have experienced, they're less stable than the stock ROM. Maybe because its tons of features.
I'm still trying to find the best way to backup everything in the phone.
So, xposed won't work in L?
Other thing is, I used to change Roms with my other phones, and I don't want to enter in this ROM loophole, like, having to try Roms, kernels, etc.
yes, Xposed Framework won't work on android l ...Read this: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/rovo89-speaks-up-regarding-art-and-android-l-support/
I HAVE ANDROID 5.1 stock, i dont wanna install a custom kernel .
Is IT possible to get dt2w on the stock kernel?I have Root acces btw.
kenstartv said:
I HAVE ANDROID 5.1 stock, i dont wanna install a custom kernel .
Is IT possible to get dt2w on the stock kernel?I have Root acces btw.
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Not possible, best thing you can do if you don't want to install a custom kernel is use a app. There used to be one called TouchControl; though it's not on the Play store anymore. There's others that uses the proximity sensor to wake your phone up without using the power button.
FMD
Sometimes, some devs make stock kernel with DT2W, but there isn't one for 5.1.
Anyway, if you also think that as custom kernel, too, then I'm sorry to say you have absoutely no luck.
DT2W enabled with third party apps always have problems. They consume battery too much or they work only 1~2 out of 10 times.
I flashed Swift Dark theme for OOS using both root and rootless method via Andromeda and using either method the overlays seemed to create a very perceptible performance hit in certain apps which is something I never noticed on pre Oreo versions of Android. I'm curious what kind of experience other people have had flashing Substratum on the OOS Oreo builds.
First, there's no talk about "flashing" here.. You don't need to flash nothing... Then, i'm using swift dark and some other themes with open beta and they're working perfectly like they work in nexus oreo... No performance lag or hit.. I'm rooted with magisk
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First, there's no talk about "flashing" here.. You don't need to flash nothing... Then, i'm using swift dark and some other themes with open beta and they're working perfectly like they work in nexus oreo... No performance lag or hit.. I'm rooted with magisk
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Ok I installed the overlays. After I did there was scrolling stutter in Play Store and Google App that wasn't there before. I didn't notice it in other themed apps. I'm using Magisk as well. Maybe the custom kernel I'm using has something to do with it. Are you using the stock kernel?
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Ok I installed the overlays. After I did there was scrolling stutter in Play Store and Google App that wasn't there before. I didn't notice it in other themed apps. I'm using Magisk as well. Maybe the custom kernel I'm using has something to do with it. Are you using the stock kernel?
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No, i'm on stock kernel, there's no custom kernel that satisfies me... Maybe you're using the wrong settings (stupid question ) are you using the swift dark for oxygen oreo? If yes have you tried to remove every layers and then re-apply it and then reboot?
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No, i'm on stock kernel, there's no custom kernel that satisfies me... Maybe you're using the wrong settings (stupid question ) are you using the swift dark for oxygen oreo? If yes have you tried to remove every layers and then re-apply it and then reboot?
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Yes I chose Oxygen Oreo. I didn't try to remove the overlays and then reinstall them. I rebooted after applying the overlays and noticed the problem. Removing the overlays didn't fix it either--i had to dirty flash the ROM to get everything working right again. There was a popup warning when I opened Substratum suggesting that the rootless method would work better in Oreo. I bought the Andromeda app and applied the overlays the new way but I didn't notice any difference. I had the same scroll stuttering in the same apps. I guess it could be related to the fact that I'm using a custom kernel.
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Yes I chose Oxygen Oreo. I didn't try to remove the overlays and then reinstall them. I rebooted after applying the overlays and noticed the problem. Removing the overlays didn't fix it either--i had to dirty flash the ROM to get everything working right again. There was a popup warning when I opened Substratum suggesting that the rootless method would work better in Oreo. I bought the Andromeda app and applied the overlays the new way but I didn't notice any difference. I had the same scroll stuttering in the same apps. I guess it could be related to the fact that I'm using a custom kernel.
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Mmmh.. maybe when you dirty flash the ROM try with the stock kernel if you have doubt
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Mmmh.. maybe when you dirty flash the ROM try with the stock kernel if you have doubt
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I might in the future. For now I don't want to screw around with it again.
Guys please suggest me a good bugless ROM be it Oreo or Pie.
I'm in stock ROM and I want more features. My requirements are
Good battery
Good performance
Edge gestures
Good Volte
Call quality
Good speaker output
No heating while charging and using.
Liquid Remix with Darkberry Kernel...
I don't think edge gestures work in any of the pie roms
Prefer Stock
Then wait ASUS release the Pie .
Maybe a years from now. Lol
Your requirements seems to lean more on the device usage actually and those are basic features that work best on stock rom.
gusbalaa said:
Prefer Stock
Then wait ASUS release the Pie .
Maybe a years from now. Lol
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Hope official pie rom released soon :laugh:
There is no such thing as bugless! ?
As per your requirements it's best to stay on stock, root it & play around with magisk & if that seems insufficient then install Xposed Framework.
Xposed has some modules which you can check it out if you want more features.
GravityBox is the main one of course + xposed edge gestures (mindblowing)!
Disclaimer - Xposed trips safetynet, not that i care.
Performance and battery is great for me.
So, all your stuff covered expect the last one, haven't faced that issue.
All in OREO?
akshmau5 said:
There is no such thing as bugless! ?
As per your requirements it's best to stay on stock, root it & play around with magisk & if that seems insufficient then install Xposed Framework.
Xposed has some modules which you can check it out if you want more features.
GravityBox is the main one of course + xposed edge gestures (mindblowing)!
Disclaimer - Xposed trips safetynet, not that i care.
Performance and battery is great for me.
So, all your stuff covered expect the last one, haven't faced that issue.
All in OREO?
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How to install xposed
I tried with magisk but it shows install busybox
And when i install busybox
Stock rom goes into bootloop
joinsudhakarreddy said:
Guys please suggest me a good bugless ROM be it Oreo or Pie.
I'm in stock ROM and I want more features. My requirements are
Good battery
Good performance
Edge gestures
Good Volte
Call quality
Good speaker output
No hearing while charging and using.
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If u want all those features i think stock ROM would be best for u. However, if u want android pie then go for pixel experience rom or pixys os. They are the cleanest android pie roms out there.
Pixel experience thread:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/as...development/rom-pixel-experience-9-0-t3832549
Pixys os:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/asus-zenfone-max-pro-m1/development/rom-t3843477
joinsudhakarreddy said:
Guys please suggest me a good bugless ROM be it Oreo or Pie.
I'm in stock ROM and I want more features. My requirements are
Good battery
Good performance
Edge gestures
Good Volte
Call quality
Good speaker output
No hearing while charging and using.
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Good battery - Battery idle drain & performance is based on Kernel, not on a custom rom.
Good performance - Whatever rom you use, performance is same. Bcaz it depends on the Processor speed in GHz.
Edge gestures, VoLTE - These are some of the reasons you are using a custom rom.
Call Quality - It's totally based on Cellular network & it's signal strength.
Speaker Output - By default, it's based on hardware, & speaker output from max pro m1 is satisfactory. To increase volume change RX values from 84 to somewhere 89 under mixer_paths.xml
I'm thinking of trying Aex pie rom
Is it any better than liquid remix or I'll be just wasting my data?
addy692 said:
How to install xposed
I tried with magisk but it shows install busybox
And when i install busybox
Stock rom goes into bootloop
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Busybox from magisk right? D/L the module, flash from magisk and reboot.
Also xposed from magisk rep which is systemless?
You gotta make sure now that whichever xposed framework you flashed is completely uninstalled.
For actual xposed use it's uninstaller.zip or for unity flash the module again from twrp.
Take backup, etc, and flash the systemless xposed module from twrp, wipe the cache and dalvik. Reboot.
Use the installer provided by our magisk prodigy from the repo which is for systemless xposed.
SDK V27 - 90.2 beta 3 (for framework).
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Busybox from magisk right? D/L the module, flash from magisk and reboot.
Also xposed from magisk rep which is systemless?
You gotta make sure now that whichever xposed framework you flashed is completely uninstalled.
For actual xposed use it's uninstaller.zip or for unity flash the module again from twrp.
Take backup, etc, and flash the systemless xposed module from twrp, wipe the cache and dalvik. Reboot.
Use the installer provided by our magisk prodigy from the repo which is for systemless xposed.
SDK V27 - 90.2 beta 3 (for framework).
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Ohk
What mistake i done was i installed busybox using an app from playstore
Thanks bud for the guidance ?
CrDroid with substrates Flux white theme and xposed
Deep gang kernel The raging beast
MPK99 said:
Good battery - Battery idle drain & performance is based on Kernel, not on a custom rom.
Good performance - Whatever rom you use, performance is same. Bcaz it depends on the Processor speed in GHz.
Edge gestures, VoLTE - These are some of the reasons you are using a custom rom.
Call Quality - It's totally based on Cellular network & it's signal strength.
Speaker Output - By default, it's based on hardware, & speaker output from max pro m1 is satisfactory. To increase volume change RX values from 84 to somewhere 89 under mixer_paths.xml
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I've to disagree with you on many things. First of all, all ROMs don't have same in call volume. Second, speaker output can vary in ROMs, performance can also differ
Email44841 said:
CrDroid with substrates Flux white theme and xposed
Deep gang kernel The raging beast
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SOT on daily usage?
pranavkpr said:
I'm thinking of trying Aex pie rom
Is it any better than liquid remix or I'll be just wasting my data
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Not good yet.
joinsudhakarreddy said:
I've to disagree with you on many things. First of all, all ROMs don't have same in call volume. Second, speaker output can vary in ROMs, performance can also differ
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Whatever bro, it's truth. If possible, try out all the roms starting from lineage os, liquid remix os, crdroid, havoc os, etc. You'll notice there's no difference except all roms use their own custom system image & system apps.
MPK99 said:
Whatever bro, it's truth. If possible, try out all the roms starting from lineage os, liquid remix os, crdroid, havoc os, etc. You'll notice there's no difference except all roms use their own custom system image & system apps.
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Huh??!!
We all have 2 ears, one nose, one heart, 2 kidneys and 1 d*** but I do notice a lot of difference among them.
Don't simplify something too much just because you can't comprehend it and stop professing your own version of truth, BRO! ?
I am using havic os pie with azure kernel... I get 12+ hrs of SOT easily with 4g always on. The SOT will be even better if you use wifi.
Its got a load of customisations availablei
It has edge gestures.
I play pubg on it without any noticeable lag.
I think this is a great rom.
Also i use pixys os with stock kernel before this, that was a good rom too but it lacked customisations thats why i changed to havoc.