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Shall we compare Athena with HTC Universal? The hardware features, quality, built in software, speed, everything?
Let's try:
- Athena is absolutely uncomfortable as a phone
- Athena is a little bit larger and heavier
- Athena is more expensive
+ Athena's screen is much bigger
+ Athena nave embedded GPS
+ Athena have HDD
+ Athena have VGA-out
+ Athena have VueFLO (but is't really useless feature)
+ Athena have 3 mpix AF camera
more?
When people have the Advantage/Ameo etc, it will be more appropriate to make comparisons that one can agree or disagree with.
Just FYI - some live photos of Athena
http://foto.ixbt.com/?id=album:4006
Great photos Bader, Cheers!
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Just FYI - some live photos of Athena
http://foto.ixbt.com/?id=album:4006
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Thanks a million for those brilliant high res photos Bader!
It's nice to get a real world perspective of size on the X7500 against other devices and equipment. If you don't mind, I'm going to post a link to the site you listed here, everyone who doesn't have one yet and is interested will appreciate these pics. Thanks again.
BTW I will be posting here:
http://www.4winmobile.com/next-vt4467.html?postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=80
and here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=286884&page=13
Here you are!
Gallery updated
PS You've put mistake in my nick on 4winmobile
Nice photos..Thanks
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Here you are!
Gallery updated
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Thanks Bader.
Any chance of a first impressions review? Or feedback on performance with 3rd party apps compared to other devices...like Universal? I know, I know...you were probably going to do that before I opened my big mouth last week.
Anyway thanks again for your contributions, they are appreciated.
Actually Bader...there is one very important question I would love to be answered...if your willing of course.
Can/have you tested the USB host capabilities of the X7500? I mean can you hook up a full sized keyboard and or mouse, or even a external hard-drive?
This would be huge plus for me personally, but I think others would like to know too. Cheers.
Unfortunately, I don't have Universal now, but in any case I'll put here are some feedbacks:
Performance is good enougt, f.e. "windows" folder is to be opened in one second
700 Mb movie is loaded in 3 minutes via USB (2.0?)
Original DivX movies can be watching wo recoding with at least 80% efficiency (parhabs depends on embedded ATI Imageon chip, now I'm tryin' to tune it )
GPS works worse than in Artemis - probably cause of metall body
Battery is really good - about two days while books reading, movies watching, push-mail recieving etc.
Camera - ghm... SonyEricsson's one is better
No vibracall!
What else? Please ask
About USB-host - unfortunately, I don't have the the cable to try this function (I've got the device in test package). VGA-out works well.
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About USB-host - unfortunately, I don't have the the cable to try this function (I've got the device in test package). VGA-out works well.
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The normal htc USB cable should do. Connect the mini to your Athena, and the regular usb end to your drive eg. pocket drive, card reader etc.
gps athena
gps worse than the one of p3300? 1º slower to take satellite? 2º fixes less satellite?
Great stuff Bader!
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Unfortunately, I don't have Universal now, but in any case I'll put here are some feedbacks:
Performance is good enougt, f.e. "windows" folder is to be opened in one second
700 Mb movie is loaded in 3 minutes via USB (2.0?)
Original DivX movies can be watching wo recoding with at least 80% efficiency (parhabs depends on embedded ATI Imageon chip, now I'm tryin' to tune it )
GPS works worse than in Artemis - probably cause of metall body
Battery is really good - about two days while books reading, movies watching, push-mail recieving etc.
Camera - ghm... SonyEricsson's one is better
No vibracall!
What else? Please ask
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Great stuff Bader, thanks for the feedback. So GPS is worse than Artemis? Is it acceptable though? Or do you experience weak signal and drop outs, in comparison?
You say Divx plays at about 80% without the need for recoding? That's not bad depending on bitrate. (I'll PM you about this). Are we talking like torrent movie encoding quality here? DVD rips? I hope so, because then there is a lot of room for improvement.
Didn't expect much from the camera anyway.
No Vibra call? Glad I ordered me a vibrating Bluetooth Plantronics 640 now.
"700 Mb movie is loaded in 3 minutes via USB (2.0?)". Is this via active sync straight to the device? If so, that's not bad.
I like the windows folder opening time. But is that on a fresh machine or with loads of 3rd party apps?
How about surfing in high res mode? Is this supported in the ROM version you have? And if so, how is the speed of page rendering compared to your experience of other PPC devices?
Thanks again for taking the time and effort to answer these questions Bader. Pls check your PM.
What is your model? Advantage, ameo or U1000?
How is the building quality?
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I're wrong - USBhost is based on another slot than sync/charge USB. It is good seen on this picture - http://foto.ixbt.com/?id=photo:57887
Left one is VGAout/USBhost with proprietary connector.
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I'ts only my opinion, based on expirience - it seem to me, that Artemis finds sattelites faster, and sesitivity is a little bit better. Unfortunately, i cannot compare and measure, cause Artemis was sold 4 month ago
I any case - Athena's GPS wokrs much better than any 12channel device.
mackaby007
About movies - yes, sure, i mean DVD-rips on maximum quality settings. If set low details - so performance comes to 200%
About loading speed - yes, 3 minutes via AS or WM5torage - no any difference
"Windows" opening time - it on real used device with about 20 thirdparty apps installed.
RealVGA is not supported in current ROM :-(
But there are Opera installed (in ExtROM), and it's posible to scale up and down - looks like real VGA. Rendering speed is about 2 times faster than on my Herald.
PS I'll answer PM in few minutes.
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HTC X-7500
Looks very durable, can be used as selfdefence weapon
Seriosly - building quality is perfect.
please photos made by the athena
how long in minutes to take satellite?
http://foto.ixbt.com/?id=camera:703
Warm start - about 2 minutes
I just got the T-Mobile Ameo today, the branded version of the HTC X7500.
With the exception of the silver casing (instead of black as on the X7500), the Ameo is the same.
Here are the first impressions:
1. build quality excellent, display quality very good (but not at par with the Sony Vaio UX "micro"-laptop for example), speed is very good too, the programs just "fly".
2. GSM/GPRS reception is pretty good, I didn't have the chance to try out UMTS/HSDPA yet since I'm living outside the city and we get only Vodafone UMTS over here
3. you can't use the unit like a normal cell phone, you need to use a headset or the built-in speaker phone. This is pretty annoying, making the Ameo actually more a kind of a internet working machine, not a cell phone. If you're planning to use this baby for everything, including "classic" cell phone operation, forget about it
4. if you think that the new magnetic keypad is interesting, wait until you actually see the WHOLE "system" working incl. the leather protection casing.
You can't actually use the magnetic keypad without the leather casing since the Ameo itself may "fall down" sooner or later, causing a lot of damage to the unit if it falls down from a higher height. Use the leather casing, it provides the necessary "grip", so the Ameo doesn't move at all to the back.
It is a pretty interesting and well thought through combo, you have to see it for yourself to understand how it works. The pictures you may have seen on the internet, showing a woman holding the Ameo in her hand, attached to the magnetic keypad are actually CRAP. The Ameo has no support in the back and if this woman would move her hand a bit, the Ameo would fall down. I don't understand why T-Mobile doesn't advertise in pictures the whole "system" with the leather casing, so people understand how it is working and how WELL it is working.
5. inserting the SIM card was kind of a pain in the a.., it wasn't too easy and you can't swap SIM cards on a regular basis, this would be too annoying.
6. the new Opera browser is a treat, it works great compared to the also supplied Internet Explorer. The Opera 8.6x browser was a good choice for the Ameo.
7. the built-in 3 MP camera is easy too use, it uses an autofokus which works pretty well and it even has a flash. Picture quality is pretty good when there is enough light but the object has to stay steady if you want to get a good picture. Video quality pretty much sucks, if the object moves, you just get a blurr, nothing else. That said, the specs of the camera are more impressive on paper than in reality but it is pretty "usable".
8. since the keypad system uses a strong magnet, you have to be careful where you transport/keep your unit in the leather casing. If your credits cards, etc. are close to it, you may have them corrupted.
9. after installing my "usual" programs (Worldmate, AgendaOne, WiFi Companion, Subsembly Wallet and GPS Meter), the Ameo started to be kept in an incontinouus booting cycle (like a soft reset). I had to hard reset the unit and start all over again installing my programs, pretty annoying. So the firmware DEFINETELY isn't bug-free yet.
more photo by athena please
Brilliant!
Bader said:
mackaby007
About movies - yes, sure, i mean DVD-rips on maximum quality settings. If set low details - so performance comes to 200%
About loading speed - yes, 3 minutes via AS or WM5torage - no any difference
"Windows" opening time - it on real used device with about 20 thirdparty apps installed.
RealVGA is not supported in current ROM :-(
But there are Opera installed (in ExtROM), and it's posible to scale up and down - looks like real VGA. Rendering speed is about 2 times faster than on my Herald.
PS I'll answer PM in few minutes.
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Thanks Bader!! That's really good news, just what I was hoping to hear so far. C PM.
Just wanted to say how pleased I am with the Ameo after the first few days of use, and identify some of the small issues with it. I'm impressed with the speed more or less, coming from a Dell Axim x50v with the WM5 'upgrade' applied.
So, good points first..
Fantastic Screen - 5" plenty big enough for me
Keyboard - its great that it just clicks on and goes, and it holds the PDA in the correct position.
Web (and Walk) Button - that it launches Opera rather than pie.
Camera - pretty good quality for a phone cam.
Internet - I dig the 3G!!
GPS - The chip seems great and good at picking up the satellites with relative ease. On a trip seems to hold at least 5 bars in tomom 97% of the time - my old one only averages 3-4.
Microdrive - So good to not have to worry about space.
Weight - yes its heavy, but not as heavy as expected, given the kit inside the case!
Connectivity - Plenty of cables to get started with, the charger, usb AND the VGA cable!
Battery power - surprising good and reasonably long lasting
Bad Points
Doesn't seem to resume all that well - sometimes need a reset button pressed to get it to come back to life.
The screen rotation can be a bit inconsistent - especially after poweroff/ons.
Tomtom V6 screen refresh seems a little slow, even with all poi's turned off. Maybe the latest build will help - also, not got voices working yet.
The USB doesn't seem to charge up, just hold the existing charge.
MiniSD (this is only because I've just recently bought a couple of SD cards!).
Headphones - haven't got the headphones working with Mediaplayer yet - the sound just comes out of the speakers.
That large file transfer problem - although the Removable storage fix sorts that and is far quicker than craptivsync. Although then the Microdrive isn't visible at the same time within the PDA.
No IrDA port. Not necessary, but would be nice to use it as an all in one remote!
Not much else to report at the moment, I've rigged up a holster in the car, pending a proper version, and I'll get the 4 in 1 cable fairly soon.
What a cracking device though, that really promotes the wow-factor!
Digital.Diablo said:
Just wanted to say how pleased I am with the Ameo after the first few days of use, and identify some of the small issues with it. I'm impressed with the speed more or less, coming from a Dell Axim x50v with the WM5 'upgrade' applied.
So, good points first..
Fantastic Screen - 5" plenty big enough for me
Keyboard - its great that it just clicks on and goes, and it holds the PDA in the correct position.
Web (and Walk) Button - that it launches Opera rather than pie.
Camera - pretty good quality for a phone cam.
Internet - I dig the 3G!!
GPS - The chip seems great and good at picking up the satellites with relative ease. On a trip seems to hold at least 5 bars in tomom 97% of the time - my old one only averages 3-4.
Microdrive - So good to not have to worry about space.
Weight - yes its heavy, but not as heavy as expected, given the kit inside the case!
Connectivity - Plenty of cables to get started with, the charger, usb AND the VGA cable!
Battery power - surprising good and reasonably long lasting
Bad Points
Doesn't seem to resume all that well - sometimes need a reset button pressed to get it to come back to life.
The screen rotation can be a bit inconsistent - especially after poweroff/ons.
Tomtom V6 screen refresh seems a little slow, even with all poi's turned off. Maybe the latest build will help - also, not got voices working yet.
The USB doesn't seem to charge up, just hold the existing charge.
MiniSD (this is only because I've just recently bought a couple of SD cards!).
Headphones - haven't got the headphones working with Mediaplayer yet - the sound just comes out of the speakers.
That large file transfer problem - although the Removable storage fix sorts that and is far quicker than craptivsync. Although then the Microdrive isn't visible at the same time within the PDA.
No IrDA port. Not necessary, but would be nice to use it as an all in one remote!
Not much else to report at the moment, I've rigged up a holster in the car, pending a proper version, and I'll get the 4 in 1 cable fairly soon.
What a cracking device though, that really promotes the wow-factor!
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MY dopod u1000 don't have any large file transfer problem at all
and my headphone works straight away
Digital.Diablo said:
Just wanted to say how pleased I am with the Ameo after the first few days of use, and identify some of the small issues with it. I'm impressed with the speed more or less, coming from a Dell Axim x50v with the WM5 'upgrade' applied.
So, good points first..
Fantastic Screen - 5" plenty big enough for me
Keyboard - its great that it just clicks on and goes, and it holds the PDA in the correct position.
Web (and Walk) Button - that it launches Opera rather than pie.
Camera - pretty good quality for a phone cam.
Internet - I dig the 3G!!
GPS - The chip seems great and good at picking up the satellites with relative ease. On a trip seems to hold at least 5 bars in tomom 97% of the time - my old one only averages 3-4.
Microdrive - So good to not have to worry about space.
Weight - yes its heavy, but not as heavy as expected, given the kit inside the case!
Connectivity - Plenty of cables to get started with, the charger, usb AND the VGA cable!
Battery power - surprising good and reasonably long lasting
Bad Points
Doesn't seem to resume all that well - sometimes need a reset button pressed to get it to come back to life.
The screen rotation can be a bit inconsistent - especially after poweroff/ons.
Tomtom V6 screen refresh seems a little slow, even with all poi's turned off. Maybe the latest build will help - also, not got voices working yet.
The USB doesn't seem to charge up, just hold the existing charge.
MiniSD (this is only because I've just recently bought a couple of SD cards!).
Headphones - haven't got the headphones working with Mediaplayer yet - the sound just comes out of the speakers.
That large file transfer problem - although the Removable storage fix sorts that and is far quicker than craptivsync. Although then the Microdrive isn't visible at the same time within the PDA.
No IrDA port. Not necessary, but would be nice to use it as an all in one remote!
Not much else to report at the moment, I've rigged up a holster in the car, pending a proper version, and I'll get the 4 in 1 cable fairly soon.
What a cracking device though, that really promotes the wow-factor!
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Few comments:
After removing the battery, press and hold power button to turn on device, not soft-reset. Normal press will not power on.
The apparent rotation on screen afer resume from standby is due to "notiication panel"window returning to normal view.
TomTom6 works for may people, even cracks work well
BT stereo should work with even the most basic of headsets surprised you have problems.
Try and read more on this forum to solve all your problems, otherwise you would waste thisdevice.
Forgot to add, half the standard software isn't listed in the programs folder, i.e. Calc, Opera, Notes and well, thats about it... Just a bit strange that they've not got shortcuts, but heyho.
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Few comments:
After removing the battery, press and hold power button to turn on device, not soft-reset. Normal press will not power on.
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Yeah, its not that - sometimes it will go into standby then just wont turn on without a soft reset.
The apparent rotation on screen afer resume from standby is due to "notiication panel"window returning to normal view.
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I identified that bit, shame the firmware can't take that into account. It does it somewhat randomly going in and out of tomtom as well.
TomTom6 works for may people, even cracks work well
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Yeah, it works fine, just the refresh rate is a bit slow (maybe 1-2fps). Like I say, maybe a version newer than 6.000 will resolve the issue.
BT stereo should work with even the most basic of headsets surprised you have problems.
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Not using BT - I'm using the headphones that came in the box with the built in mic. Didn't output mediaplayer sound via them earlier when I tried it, I need to experiment a little more.
Try and read more on this forum to solve all your problems, otherwise you would waste thisdevice.
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I've been reading loads since last week when I decided to get the device. The only problem is it can sometimes be difficult to locate the info. But I found the fix for the large file problem didn't I?
Wah the problem with the device for not being able to turn on after going into stand by is a very serious problem. I wouldn't get U1000 until it's resolved since I always need to refer to my PDA instantenously. I cannot afford having to soft reset and wait for the device to turn on whenever I need the device the most. I never experienced this problem with Dopod 900.
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Yeah, its not that - sometimes it will go into standby then just wont turn on without a soft reset.
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jlingo said:
Wah the problem with the device for not being able to turn on after going into stand by is a very serious problem. I wouldn't get U1000 until it's resolved since I always need to refer to my PDA instantenously. I cannot afford having to soft reset and wait for the device to turn on whenever I need the device the most. I never experienced this problem with Dopod 900.
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Is it to do with T-mobile's ROM? because i am using the DOPOD U1000, and i don't have this issue at all, and 3 other friends of mine don't have this problem as well
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Doesn't seem to resume all that well - sometimes need a reset button pressed to get it to come back to life.
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Any third party software already installed or opened in the background? memory leak? Perhaps those could cause wake up problems?
thanks
Sounds like you have a faulty device
I would send that device back immediately for replacement!
I have abused my ameo by all sorts of tweaks and hacks but no such problems since i got it.
I sent my U1000 back for warranty claim(under 7 days) cause always prompting me my SIM is invalid, eventhough i've switch to a newly applied one. Other than that, everything is fine. MapKing works great though.
jlingo said:
Wah the problem with the device for not being able to turn on after going into stand by is a very serious problem. I wouldn't get U1000 until it's resolved since I always need to refer to my PDA instantenously. I cannot afford having to soft reset and wait for the device to turn on whenever I need the device the most. I never experienced this problem with Dopod 900.
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I do have this problem on my u1000 too..
yup, dopod 900 dont ve this problem too (til I upgrade to WM6 .. but still less than u1000 ... )
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I do have this problem on my u1000 too..
yup, dopod 900 dont ve this problem too (til I upgrade to WM6 .. but still less than u1000 ... )
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that is strange, i don't see any sign of this problem on my device, is it to do with third party software?
It hasn't done the non-resume problem for a couple of days, funnily enough. Thinking back, it may be sometime again to do with tomtom, as I have a feeling it suspended whilst TT was active. I'll monitor, do some experiements and report back.
Also fixed the headphone issue - looks like I wasn't 'using the force'. I tried again just and noted that the headphone jack was about 1mm shy of home - pushed even harder and its clicked in and now I have sound in my phones!
wonder said:
I do have this problem on my u1000 too..
yup, dopod 900 dont ve this problem too (til I upgrade to WM6 .. but still less than u1000 ... )
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Hi Wonder,
Any third party software you already installed? or it's still free from third party software? otherwise it's pretty bad for clean U1000 cannot wake up from standby. Incompatibilites SIM Cards perhaps?
jlingo said:
Hi Wonder,
Any third party software you already installed? or it's still free from third party software? otherwise it's pretty bad for clean U1000 cannot wake up from standby. Incompatibilites SIM Cards perhaps?
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I do think is the 3rd party problem.
Well... actually, those Today Screen stuff always hange up screen!
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I do think is the 3rd party problem.
Well... actually, those Today Screen stuff always hange up screen!
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Could you please elaborate a bit more, which today screen software are you using?
Thanks
Mine wouldn't resume this morning.
I had running:-
Opera Browser,
Internet Explorer,
Media Player.
It was also connected to the mains charger and was powered down via the button on the side.
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Forgot to add, half the standard software isn't listed in the programs folder, i.e. Calc, Opera, Notes and well, thats about it... Just a bit strange that they've not got shortcuts, but heyho.
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this confused me at first, too.
there are shortcuts, it's just that they're all hidden in sub-folders - like
"Organiser" which has Calc, Calendar, Notes and Tasks, or
"Messages" which has Email setup and Messaging or
"Contacts" which has Contacts and SIM Manager or
Can you kindly confirm if the Ameo has keyboard backlighting? A review I saw on the net says so but the base HTC Athena design seems not to have the backighting. Dopod U1000 variant is confirmed not to have it either. Does Ameo have backlighting? Thanks
k_kirk said:
Can you kindly confirm if the Ameo has keyboard backlighting? A review I saw on the net says so but the base HTC Athena design seems not to have the backighting. Dopod U1000 variant is confirmed not to have it either. Does Ameo have backlighting? Thanks
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Sorry, but there is no backlighting on the keyboard of the Ameo
Dear all,
I've performed an exhaustive search all over internet and in particular in XDA developers site and I could not find any information.
First some background just for info:
We are an amateur group that launches high altitude balloons to the stratosphere. There we take photos, videos, we measure temperatures, accelerations, pressure... (I guess it is quite known the HAB activities). Apart from other equipment’s (arduino based) and payloads, we always send an android phone as a recovery system as we can send an sms to the phone to ask its gps location. We also takes some photos during the flight with the phone camera and record GPS, the accelerometer and gyro data.
We would like to save some mass (to reach higher altitude) so we are thinking to launch only the motherboard and the battery. I have tested it with my galaxy S2: I opened it, extracted only motherboard (usb included) and battery (with no screen at all) and I could switch on, and operate it through MHL (hdmi) and a bluetooth mouse.
So we decided to buy a second hand galaxy note 3 (better camera resolution, battery, more sensors...) with a broken screen as no needed.
The note 3 works perfect with the screen attached again via mhl (even though the screen was not working). BUT when I remove the screen, the phone cannot be switched on... it enters and endless bootloop.
I guess that this is because the boot process checks somehow the presence of the screen.
Now the real question:
Do you know if there is any method to use the phone without the digitizer plugged?
Maybe replacing or reconfiguring the boot/kernel/rom to avoid the screen check? No problems at all with voiding the warranty (is a destroyed second hand device) or rooting, or flashing...
Many thanks!
Blunder
p.s. Sorry for my bad English
blunderbrain said:
Dear all,
...
Now the real question:
Do you know if there is any method to use the phone without the digitizer plugged?
Maybe replacing or reconfiguring the boot/kernel/rom to avoid the screen check? No problems at all with voiding the warranty (is a destroyed second hand device) or rooting, or flashing...
Many thanks!
Blunder
p.s. Sorry for my bad English
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I know this is not what you are asking (which is interesting in itself) but why don't you leave the digitizer plugged? It should be like just 1mm or so, and only a few grams.
Maybe this is unclean workaround: how about let the phone completely booted and remove the digitizer?
I would suggest disabling the digitizer and/or display in a custom kernel build first -- if you can get the device to still boot fully, you can try removing the hardware connections. If it doesn't boot, then you need to figure out what in the OS relies on these features.
I know this is not what you are asking (which is interesting in itself) but why don't you leave the digitizer plugged? It should be like just 1mm or so, and only a few grams.
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Thanks xclub101
Our workaround is indeed that one, to remove everything appart from the digitizer (frame, glass, wacom...). But we also thinking in volume reduction that also impacts weight. Considering that we are tipically launching 500g, 50g is 10% that in terms of balloon ceiling could be 3 or 4 km (not that much, but in any case above our actual limits).
In any case, I do not want to diverge from the original question. That is to use the phone without the digitizer.
Maybe this is unclean workaround: how about let the phone completely booted and remove the digitizer?
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Thanks Crescendo
Yes, it could be a solution, I will try to do it. However, once integrated within the payload, it could be not so easy to remove it.
And what would happen if there is a reboot during the flight? (sometimes it happens, mainly due to failures in the battery as a consequence of the cold temperatures up there, almost reaching -50ºC). Then the phone wont boot again
I would suggest disabling the digitizer and/or display in a custom kernel build first -- if you can get the device to still boot fully, you can try removing the hardware connections. If it doesn't boot, then you need to figure out what in the OS relies on these features.
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Thanks jisoo
Sounds a good solution, but I'm not an expert in kernel customization, nor cooking... If you (or any other) could guide me in how to do it I could try.
Thanks again
Hi to everyone, i bought from internet second-hand Nexus 4 with 5.0.2 but after a couple of day i got a very strange problem:
The battery % randomly change.
I mean, i am normally (but it happen also in standby) using my N4 when it alert to me that the battery is out.
It pass from 40% (or whatever good %) to 4,5 sometimes 1 and then shut down.
Also, i noticed that sometime i can't find "battery" icon in the option menu.
So i try to rebooth the phone but the touchscreen doesn't work and i need to tap with 2,3 or 4 finger.
When i reboot again, it work but they % keep changing, sometime in a bigger number, sometime in a lower number.
I complete wipe and format my N4 and for 2 days works in the best way, the battery keep the load and so on
but then, here we are again.
I got a couple of screenshot of the battery icon missing in the option, of the % changing but it is very hard make a video of this becouse it happen randomly.
Android is 5.0.2 stock, no root, no bootloader
Ofc the guy that sell to me said the phone was perfect, no problem and all the stuff works good.
it the first time it happen to me..
Please help me if you can becouse i really don't know how to behave.
Many many many thanks, Federico.
Is there any noticeable bulge to the battery on the rear of the unit? It sounds like a hardware battery issue.
So, it can be a hardware problem?
Yesterday my battery long last For about 24h...
Maybe a problem in the socket.
I should open the phone (battery is not removibile, so i dont know if there is any bulge)
I dont nave many experience with hardware problemi so i cannot spot them.
I Also should take a look in the hidden menu and take note of the mV.
Sorry for my english..
I try to find the mini torx and open my phone asap.
Thank you!
I replaced my battery the other day while replacing the power button. I didn't have an issue with the battery but figured it couldn't hurt. Turns out the replacement brand new OEM battery built 3 months ago is lasting exactly the same as the original 2 year old battery.
The battery is a really easy job to do though. You could try removing the screw's holding the connector on. They've been known to cause problems for some people.
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Big Edit!
i finally open the device ( i missing the TR5 Torx!) and i come across in some funny surprise!
First of all, the battery was covered by paper label
Then you can see the antistatic blue tap broken
No glue is present between battery and device
The two little screw on the connector is missing <- may be the major cause?
For sure, the battery was tampered and that may be the cause of my problem.
Just one question: there is a way to understand if the battery is original ?
Special thanks to:
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Ah, it does indeed seem like it was tampered with, especially with the defects in the top right corner and such. Unfortunately I don't think there is a way to see whether it is original or not, but now I definitely recommend purchasing a new battery, as well as some of the extra components that seem to be missing.
Thank you for support.
By the way, i found in my office two screw that fit in the hole so i am ok, i can use a little drop of a glue or a particular biadhesive tap for block the battery in the status.. other stuff seems to be ok.
Alright, sounds good.
It looks identical to the original and the oem replacement I put in. Judging by the date it is probably not the original.
Hopefully mine doesn't act up because of leaving the screws out. I only did it because of the number of people claiming it was a fix.
I didn't put any paper on top of mine however. That makes me think the previous owner had an issue they were trying to fix with it.
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I searched the internet images and looks very similar to the original , in fact when don't show this defect has a great autonomy !
The label,i think it's been done by the past owner to obtain a thickness and hold down the battery in position , you can since it lacks the glue on the back .
The real problem is : may be due to the fact that the missing screws let "move" the connector and generate the defect ?
Moreover, the battery sends a lot of information on the phone , not only the + and - .
even just a little contact property can generate defects .
I Really hope.
I order a new battery and i have some screws taken from old laptops, mobile, maybe i can fit two of them (the first i found was too long)
The boy agreed only to refund the value of the battery ( claimed to know nothing , honestly , I do not believe but that's another story)
Sorry but i don't understand this phrase:
"Hopefully mine doesn't act up because of leaving the screws out. I only did it because of the number of people claiming it was a fix. "
You meant some people leaving the screws away from connector ?
Many thanks to all, Federico.
I mean that when I replaced the battery while I was replacing the power button, I left out the screws because so many people claimed they were too tight and caused the red light of death problem. Since I didn't want that to happen to me I left them out. I did keep them in case I had a problem so o can put them back in but so far everything is working fine.
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That doesnt sound good for me
Maybe try putting some in again but not too tight.
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I just pur two screw and hold the battery.
Same behavour.. Hoping is a sort of bug in the battery
Must be. My 2 year old battery lasted just as well as the new one. Held up really well.
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I hope man next week should be to my home!
Exactly same Problem!
Facing the same problem here. phone blanks off at 40%. Could be because of 5.0.2 as problem appeared around the time I upgraded to 5.0.2. Could be a hardware issue too as I changed the battery myself.
Edit- Loose connector is not a problem as battery charges from 0% after the phone switches off. It is either a problem with the battery or with the battery status sensor.
where is locate the battery status sensor ? in the battery or on the phone ? i try to find something on internet but...
Edit:
Just noticed that my n4 is not complete clear. Files from twrp are inside. I need to totally clear my n4 before keep testing
Well, today update:
First of all, i tried to turn on a lot of "nerdy" stats using the developer menù in order to understand if something of strange happening,but nothing of strange attract my attention.
I also turn on the thing that you can see your tap on display in order to understand is just a software problem, but actually when touchscreen does not respond, doenst respond.
Then i totally wipe my N4 (following a tutorial found on XDA) flashing kernel, radio, bootloader and stock 4.4.4 and that is what i can say:
1. "Battery" in "Options - Device" isnt shown.
Very strtange imho but that make me hopefully, maybe the origin of the problems is located on battery according with what you say.
2. I am unable to boot my N4 pressing Power button! (Actually that happen also with lollipop).
I need to turn on the device passing through fastboot menù, not a big problem but a little bit annoying .
3. Touchscreen seems to work.
Nothing to say
I will test the phone today and tomorrow.
As ever, thank you for all and the support!!
Federico.
EDIT of EDIT
1A. Rotating the device and switching from landscape to portrait battery icon shown in options.
That can be an hardware problem.
It is very hard to replicate but....
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That must be an hardware issue, becouse tilting my device battery icon (and the orignal problem) shown.
Now i hope that is locate in the battery connector instead of device connector...
Has anyone obtained this apparently little-known watch?
I'm not sure it's made by UWatch, even though some places claim it is, and the model name follows their pattern.
But it has some interesting characteristics that blend the U8, U8 Pro and U10 together:
- it can act as a phone, with a SIM, but only through an additional (included) magnetic "SIM shell" that makes the watch a little thicker; without it, it's very thin, less than 9mm
- a detachable shell is also used for USB charging
- it has a compass like the U10, but maybe no barometer/altimeter like the U8 has, since a seller told me so, even though some specs listing suggest otherwise
- the screen is a whopping 320x320 resolution 1.56" IPS (the U8 is 128x128 TN and the U10 is 240x240)
- the battery is quite large, 360mAh, with a claimed life of 10 days (!)
- the CPU is a newer MTK2502C, though I'm not sure it runs Mediatek's Linkit like some other newer watches (there is no hint that you can install apps)
- of course, there are the usual stopwatch, step counter, sleep monitor, and so on
It is around €55, but it can only be obtained from China, I found no European reseller.
If anyone has it (or has found detailed reviews):
- does it run Linkit? Can Linkit apps be installed (through, for instance, the MediaTek SmartDevice app)?
- does it have motion gestures (for instance, does it turn on when you rotate your wrist towards you)?
- is the battery life up to promises?
- is the software solid or buggy?
- any other highlights?
I ordered one of these after I tried and was pleasantly surpised with an u8 clone(...).
There very basic if you compare them with say samsung gear s2 which runs Android and is over 330€ up here. I would rather use the word "robust". With sandby time of nearly 10 days! Thats standby offcours.
The u8 and u11 seem to use the same Nucleus os.
And though the u11 is better in every aspect it still lacks a animated and interactive notification system that Android smartwatches have.
Nonetheless one can do more with Nucleus devices then meets the eye. Its just not an open os where you can just install apps on the fly. Android devices seem to need more power especialy xburst which runs a fair amount higher in clock.
But Nucleus is also more capable then the current roms used on these smart watches.
I have yet to recieve the u11, but from what I have read it will suffice my needs for the moment.
Though I have to be honest that I do not like the U8's battery life at all. It's just ridiculously short when bluetooth is on all the time. The u11 does come with bt4.0 and the battery is bigger but it also has a faster cpu, uses gsm(if activated) and has a bigger(IPS)and higher res screen. Time will tell what the inpact is on battery life. Not much info is on the net right now.
Anyway, its a nice watch with an original design(..) an better build then the u8. Using metal alloy opossed to plastic for the case, better strap, tweaked interface with two themes, nicer clock faces etc.. and I realy like the modular design to keep the watch slim.
Hopefully someone will tweak and customize some U11 roms here at xda
Found this review(in spanish)
Does anyone have the u11 rom ? I corrupted something on mine by installing an app. Now it's stuck on the clock. Touchscreen works... it still connects to my paired phone but I can't navigate the menus.
Can't help you. I still have to recieve it but
what do you mean with you installed an app?
Benwayqb said:
Does anyone have the u11 rom ? I corrupted something on mine by installing an app. Now it's stuck on the clock. Touchscreen works... it still connects to my paired phone but I can't navigate the menus.
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ebsbow said:
Can't help you. I still have to recieve it but
what do you mean with you installed an app?
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Long story short, many notifications did not work. Facebook, Messenger, Gmail to name a few.
I tried different apps on my Galaxy S6 and ended up with a totally incompatible app that tried to install something on the watch and corrupted something.
Thats interresting. Maybe add what app so we dont make
the same mistake again.
Did you try to reset the watch?
I mean reset not restart. There should be small hole
( the one thats not the mic) which you can use to reset the
device by puching a needle gently in there. Just make sure
its not the mic!
Mediatek Smartdevice should work.. ?
It's actually Mediatek Smart Device that messed up my watch.
I didn't find a reset button. Disconnected the battery and reconnected it with still the same result. I left the battery disconnected and I'll try gain in a few days.
I dont think removing the battery will reset the device. Flash ram isn't power dependant.
Maybe the manual can tell where or if there is an reset button?
There is no reset button. I did reset the ram via the Flashtool and I still can't access the menus. The clock did revert back to the default one.
I will need somebody to make a backup of his u11 firmware and post it !
Got mine today. Sadly I ordered Black and gotten a Gray color item. :-/ (don't buy at banggood, they will send random color when there stocks are low) Not to happy.
Anyways.
First impression is good. Metal case, in my case, Gray silver..
Battery wasn' t charged so I could not test it right away
but after a small charge it booted, silently, into clock mode.
The screen is nice at 320p. Clockface is analog which I switched
to digital for no specific reasson. Theres two faces of each, all just fine.
Two themes for menu. Menu is nicely organized with features that
matter easy to access. Much better then the U8 if I may compare.
Notification system is also much better. with a preview of the
sms or other notification that arrives. Longer notifs are clear and cripst to
read on the 320p screen. Which pops on when an notif arrives or when you lift your arm in the right direction. Very usable indeed though shaking would be better.
Every app is nicely tweaked. And the added compass works fine.
Very nice watch and very slim. Obviously adding the gsm module will add a few milimeters. Still have to test this though.
If I get around a pc I will upload the rom for those who want it or just incase. But lets see for an update first.
Misses:
A notif has an menu when swiping from the right. When a large email arrives and you want to access the menu(open, delete, block) the watch may freez.
You dont really need the menu that badly but when it locks, just press the side button for approx. 12 sec. and reboot. No biggy but unfortinute. edit; A long press on an item in the list also pop's upp the menu which works fine.
The vibrator is somewhat to loud. It makes more noice then the alarm sound(in low volume). Sadly no way of turning it down. Turn it off at the cinema or you'll get popcorned!
No Calc! This is a smartwatch, right?
Screen could be a little less bright in the dark. Although a amoled would have been great its a nice ips screen. But a lower setting would be nice.
So did you find a way to make a copy of the firmware?
Thanks
No I have not. I dont have an pc availible. I did try
it on my W10 tablet but W10 isnt beeing very likable.
Can you share the program you used, with drivers, then
I will give it an other try. Also did you use the cable that
came in the box to flash the watch?
My table did not recognize the device. Could be the OTG,
the cable or just plain old W10
I used the cable provided. But I had to use an older laptop running Windows XP. Wouldn't work on my W10 laptop.
I am currently in a moving phaze, so I dont think I can help you right now.
All my stuff is tight up.
Maybe a virtual machine with xp on a w10 tablet/pc will work...
If somebody else can jump in here? I see what I can do here. No promises though.
Benwayqb said:
I used the cable provided. But I had to use an older laptop running Windows XP. Wouldn't work on my W10 laptop.
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have you found an issue ?
Benwayqb said:
Does anyone have the u11 rom ? I corrupted something on mine by installing an app. Now it's stuck on the clock. Touchscreen works... it still connects to my paired phone but I can't navigate the menus.
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It seems i have a same issue, only clock menu. depending on chosen clock I can access to call and message fonctions.
Best regards