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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20003602-56.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1
ha ha !! Now another honcho wants the pie.. why cant they just enjoy android instead of bugging around crying for patents
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Microsoft declined to comment on the specific areas where it sees infringement by Android.
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LOL!
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lol u would think microsoft would be tired of being in court these days
android is whooping apple and winmo as an OS so those punks want in, not gonna happen............I think google should drop HTC and let microsoft have them to make their silly winmo phones and google should start manufacturing their own devices. why not its not like their not multi billion dollar entity.
they're not a true hardware MFG....
In the end many of the components would probably end up coming from HTC a/w.
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android is whooping apple and winmo as an OS so those punks want in, not gonna happen............I think google should drop HTC and let microsoft have them to make their silly winmo phones and google should start manufacturing their own devices. why not its not like their not multi billion dollar entity.
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Google has said many times, especially with the N1, they are not at all interested in being a hardware manufacturer. If you look at their business model hardware doesn't fit in any where. Google's primary revenue is Ads and Searching.
Not to mention that but Google would have to provide an support phone number...I am under the impression there are no out/in bound phone lines at the Googleplex.
imo HTC makes a great device.....sure they skimped a bit on the hero but it was early. I would speculate this as smart marketing, make sure the thing is going to sell... i believe the Evo will prove what they can do as well as the HD2
Welcome to lawsuit central....i aint gunna change!
off topic... but what the ****?
During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina
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off topic... but what the ****?
During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina
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mountain dew...alll over...my keyboard......LOL!
Microsoft has been trying to make money off of linux since it was first perceived as a threat. Now that WM is losing market share and android is a linux kernel they trying to make money that way as well. You would think if they really were concerned about patents they would have went after Google instead. Their WM 6.x is a dead OS and I don't seem them selling the Windows 7 Phone cheap enough to gain ground.
As someone else said, imagine what would happen if the iPhone's GPS didnt work, so why is Android held to a lower standard? Why are we supposed to accept whatever we are given, regardless of what we are promised? The SGS and iPhone 4 cost about the same amount, but we, as Android owners are supposed to just be grateful for anything that we get even when its less than promised?Samsung is already "rumored" to be planning our phone's successor. Thats bull****, we dont deserve to be treated like this. I love the Class Action Suit, but does anyone have any other creative ideas to not only help out current SGS owners but also ruin possible SGS 4G prospects? Samsung needs to be taught that we wont just be grateful for whatever we get, we demand what we are promised, we demand what we pay for; this is only reasonable.
A company should at least have some concern for their consumers, even if its barely recognizable. Samsung left us with a broken device we paid handsomely for, they have 0 concern for us. So I pray to whoever is listening up there that the SGS 4G fails miserably. If I knew how, Id make and circulate a Facebook page with just a couple of sentences outlining the case against Samsung. Even those who dont know much about Android would pay attention to a facebook page saying Samsung has ripped off SGS consumers, so avoid any Samsung phone at all costs, there are plenty of great alternatives. Maybe there is a more effective avenue, maybe we could even pursue multiple avenues. The goal is to bring attention to the shortcomings of the SGS we currently have, it deserves Samsung's attention. And now is the time, while the class action is getting attention, lets pile it on. Im happy to do what I can, im just not sure what to do. Any ideas?
kinda like the facebook page idea. I hate that Samsung doent give a **** about selling us a broken phone, even if they said they were really sorry itd be ok if they didnt fix it. Not only are they pricks, they're dicks too.
Well, debut day of Vibrant 4G or Successor is coming up. There will be people showing up to buy them. They will be watching its debut day. There will also be press and reviewers about its debut. Thus, if you have a crew of buddies willing to help you out in boycotting their Vibrant 4G or any of the coming Galaxy S product with picket signs and banners for in front of the local stores with drums and horns. Have your buddies call up local news and it will make it to some news since people will wonder what is going on... Resist if they give you and your buddies Vibrant 4G to shut you guys up. Too bad we just missed the CES. With all those press there, that would have been perfect! We need to organize into big group to do this more effectively even if lawsuit takes forever.
This will get them to know how angry we are about this "Froyogate"
Also, maybe somebody needs to make a boycott app for ALL Galaxy S product.
Report our problems on site like RipOffReport.com, scam.com, ScamBusters.org
Give the bad review that you think the product deserve on sites like amazon epinion, pricegrabber, cnet, etc.
http://www.examiner.com/technology-in-national/samsung-responds-to-froyogate-accusations
Corporations want to maximize their profits, both for themselves and their shareholders. Thus, this shouldn't come as a surprise.
A tipster has come forward and said that Samsung is holding back the Android 2.2 (Froyo) update from the T-Mobile Vibrant (Samsung Galaxy S variant) because they are afraid that such an update will impact sales of their upcoming Samsung Vibrant 4G Plus.
Reportedly, the new device is little different than the original Vibrant. In addition to the original Vibrant, the Vibrant 4G Plus has a front-facing camera, Android 2.2, and HSDPA+ 21 support.
Here's what the tipster said:
Some disturbing things have happened the last week or so concerning our “Vibrant”. Samsung has NOT allowed us to push the update OTA for 2.2 because they feel it will decrease the value of the upcoming Vibrant4G +. While from a marketing aspect i totally understand, as the Vibrant 4G is what the original Vibrant should have been in the 1st place. But to shun off and bold face lie to customers is NOT what T-Mobile is about.
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Furthermore, if Froyo works in "Vibrant 4G" - another product of Vibrant, this means it should be already for distribution for the Vibrant 3G version with minor changes.
I like the sound of all of this. I can't stand the idea that samsung suffers no repercussions for selling so many broken phones. Froyo or no froyo, the phones gps is broken, samsung shouldn't have the option to not fix it, it's INSANE
I thought that if you demonstrate to T-Mobile that the official Samsung GPS Tool fails, they would consider it defective and send for a replacement. Don't crucify me if I'm wrong, I haven't dealt with either companies.
My Samsung Vibrant came hardware locked, with faulty GPS. Samsung told me it wasn't there problem (no warranty because I brought it into Canada without an "international warranty"). Have I thought about a class action suit? Nope. I dunno, maybe it's because I'm Canadian or something, but I've just tried to fix my own problems. It's not the first product that's let me down, and I don't expect some lawyer to make it all better. Eventually the awesome people on this forum came up with a fix for the hardware lock. Then they brewed up roms based on the 2.2 leaks. Then a hardware GPS fix, combined with new software updates and now my GPS locks on in under 15s.
So what have I learned from all of this? I won't be purchasing a Samsung phone again. They've lost a customer. I vote with my wallet, not by signing some e-petition, or joining a Facebook group.
Do you really think a class action would change anything? Even if you are successful, you'll probably just get a credit towards your next Samsung purchase, or a refund on the cost of the GPS chip.
Let them know how you feel, and that you won't purchase any of their products in the future, and will be advising friends/family to do the same. kobesabi has outlined some great ways to let them know.
OP, check out the hashtag thread. If everyone screams the same thing our voice is louder.
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I thought that if you demonstrate to T-Mobile that the official Samsung GPS Tool fails, they would consider it defective and send for a replacement. Don't crucify me if I'm wrong, I haven't dealt with either companies.
My Samsung Vibrant came hardware locked, with faulty GPS. Samsung told me it wasn't there problem (no warranty because I brought it into Canada without an "international warranty"). Have I thought about a class action suit? Nope. I dunno, maybe it's because I'm Canadian or something, but I've just tried to fix my own problems. It's not the first product that's let me down, and I don't expect some lawyer to make it all better. Eventually the awesome people on this forum came up with a fix for the hardware lock. Then they brewed up roms based on the 2.2 leaks. Then a hardware GPS fix, combined with new software updates and now my GPS locks on in under 15s.
So what have I learned from all of this? I won't be purchasing a Samsung phone again. They've lost a customer. I vote with my wallet, not by signing some e-petition, or joining a Facebook group.
Do you really think a class action would change anything? Even if you are successful, you'll probably just get a credit towards your next Samsung purchase, or a refund on the cost of the GPS chip.
Let them know how you feel, and that you won't purchase any of their products in the future, and will be advising friends/family to do the same. kobesabi has outlined some great ways to let them know.
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I understand your feelings. And I think most people in here is of the mindset that we can fix our phones better than Samsung. What is going on here is a movement towards holding Samsung to their promises. They are in the OHA and therefor are legally bound to release the Source Code for the Vibrant. The second thing is that they promised multiple times throughout the last year that they would release Froyo to the US Galaxy S phones, and they didn't. If you vote by your wallet that is OK. How much do you spend on buying a new phone? With the current pricing around $500 without contract. If one person doesn't give Samsung their $500, Samsung doesn't care. If all the people on XDA doesn't give them $500, Samsung still won't care. However if we can get enough people to realize that Samsung is not a good company to buy from as they have TERRIBLE software support for their phones, if we could get 100,000 people at first, that is $50 million, which is still just a drop in the bucket for them, but that is surely more painful than $500. This is to try to make Samsung take responsibility for their products.
Agreed, Samsung should be held to the agreements made regarding their source code. I also agree that people should be informed Samsung as a company, and their poor customer relation choices.
I just think a Class Action is the wrong way to do it
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Well, debut day of Vibrant 4G or Successor is coming up. ... Resist if they give you and your buddies Vibrant 4G to shut you guys up.
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Riiiiiight...I promise I will do that!
AndroidPerson said:
As someone else said, imagine what would happen if the iPhone's GPS didnt work, so why is Android held to a lower standard? Why are we supposed to accept whatever we are given, regardless of what we are promised? The SGS and iPhone 4 cost about the same amount, but we, as Android owners are supposed to just be grateful for anything that we get even when its less than promised?Samsung is already "rumored" to be planning our phone's successor. Thats bull****, we dont deserve to be treated like this. I love the Class Action Suit, but does anyone have any other creative ideas to not only help out current SGS owners but also ruin possible SGS 4G prospects? Samsung needs to be taught that we wont just be grateful for whatever we get, we demand what we are promised, we demand what we pay for; this is only reasonable.
A company should at least have some concern for their consumers, even if its barely recognizable. Samsung left us with a broken device we paid handsomely for, they have 0 concern for us. So I pray to whoever is listening up there that the SGS 4G fails miserably. If I knew how, Id make and circulate a Facebook page with just a couple of sentences outlining the case against Samsung. Even those who dont know much about Android would pay attention to a facebook page saying Samsung has ripped off SGS consumers, so avoid any Samsung phone at all costs, there are plenty of great alternatives. Maybe there is a more effective avenue, maybe we could even pursue multiple avenues. The goal is to bring attention to the shortcomings of the SGS we currently have, it deserves Samsung's attention. And now is the time, while the class action is getting attention, lets pile it on. Im happy to do what I can, im just not sure what to do. Any ideas?
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Send me all your grievances
[email protected]
Copy and paste them on RipoffReport
Samsung Forums
Facebook
Twitter #NeverAgain
Everywhere!!!!!!
Thanks for all the Support
BOYCOTT THE SAMSUNG 4G
I made a theme song
http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_6815946
(To be honest I would have made this song at least a month ago before all of this but I was real busy all through December)
Here's one more thing we can do:
Post bad reviews of Samsung Galaxy phones on all online retailer web sites that sell them. Got an Amazon account? Post feedback there and drive this phone's rating down it gets Samsung's attention and warns potential buyers about buying a product that they will most likely be dissatisfied with once they realize that GPS is marginally functional and that it's running now outdated version of Android with no update in sight. Do the same on Tiger Direct, NewEgg and whoever else sells this phone.
Collectively we can definitely make Samsung take notice.
Lol the iphones attenna doesn't work.... no one sued over that
Although im all for the law suit
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Lol the iphones attenna doesn't work.... no one sued over that
Although im all for the law suit
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Let me google that for you..what do you know...multiple lawsuits filed regarding antenna gate.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...on-suits-filed-over-iphone-4-antenna-flaw.ars
Also, people can also get creative on Youtube. Or something like MicBeast...the more sabateurs try to oppose him, the more view counts it gets and the more people pay attention to it.
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Also, people can also get creative on Youtube. Or something like MicBeast...the more sabateurs try to oppose him, the more view counts it gets and the more people pay attention to it.
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http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_6834100
I will be working on a YouTube video
exactly what kobesabi said
don't be fooled by the saboteurs
they had my thread closed
and I will not respond to any more of their BS
I am still going through with this class action
My original thread regarding the CA had nothing to do with this song
This came out of me complaining to people
about the constant issues I've had with my Vibrant
They would say "just shut up and make a song about it"
So I finally did
Agent Jones is one of those users that joined this forum for the sole intent and purpose of having my thread closed, and possibly having me banned from this forum. These are his posts see for yourself
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=56507152
please join me in having saboteurs like him banned from this forum
people like him
whose sole purpose is to silence anyone who opposes their best interest
have no place in any public forum
Acknowledgment & Fax Cover sheet to submit additional information.
Filling for: ***** has been received by the FCC. Thanks for your information. When inquiring about your complaint, be sure to reference this number: 11-C00273373 and, be sure to mention that you filed this complaint over the internet.
I have just joined the Facebook group NeverAgainSamsung: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_119358658137499
C'mon!
AndroidPerson said:
As someone else said, imagine what would happen if the iPhone's GPS didnt work, so why is Android held to a lower standard? Why are we supposed to accept whatever we are given, regardless of what we are promised? The SGS and iPhone 4 cost about the same amount, but we, as Android owners are supposed to just be grateful for anything that we get even when its less than promised?Samsung is already "rumored" to be planning our phone's successor. Thats bull****, we dont deserve to be treated like this. I love the Class Action Suit, but does anyone have any other creative ideas to not only help out current SGS owners but also ruin possible SGS 4G prospects? Samsung needs to be taught that we wont just be grateful for whatever we get, we demand what we are promised, we demand what we pay for; this is only reasonable.
A company should at least have some concern for their consumers, even if its barely recognizable. Samsung left us with a broken device we paid handsomely for, they have 0 concern for us. So I pray to whoever is listening up there that the SGS 4G fails miserably. If I knew how, Id make and circulate a Facebook page with just a couple of sentences outlining the case against Samsung. Even those who dont know much about Android would pay attention to a facebook page saying Samsung has ripped off SGS consumers, so avoid any Samsung phone at all costs, there are plenty of great alternatives. Maybe there is a more effective avenue, maybe we could even pursue multiple avenues. The goal is to bring attention to the shortcomings of the SGS we currently have, it deserves Samsung's attention. And now is the time, while the class action is getting attention, lets pile it on. Im happy to do what I can, im just not sure what to do. Any ideas?
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I love the facebook idea, we can have a vote "buy from samsung again, yes/no"...set that up and lets start a movement and make other consumers aware of what samsung had done.
Lot of good ideas here, maybe op can update with an organized list. I registered at scam and tipoff report so I'll start or add to samsung complaints, and th facebook thing sounds great. Let's keep it up
We egg sammys ceo house all day long )
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this post aint about "where is froyo" but instead im wondering if anyone have filed claims against samsung/verizon for false advertising.
Now despite how good the phone is, it is still fact that they falsely advertised the product stating that it will be updated to 2.2 "shortly" after release.
I am interested in the process and result of the claims if anyone have done it.
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this post aint about "where is froyo" but instead im wondering if anyone have filed claims against samsung/verizon for false advertising.
Now despite how good the phone is, it is still fact that they falsely advertised the product stating that it will be updated to 2.2 "shortly" after release.
I am interested in the process and result of the claims if anyone have done it.
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Don't know. Try it yourself and let us know.
good luck with that.
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this post aint about "where is froyo" but instead im wondering if anyone have filed claims against samsung/verizon for false advertising.
Now despite how good the phone is, it is still fact that they falsely advertised the product stating that it will be updated to 2.2 "shortly" after release.
I am interested in the process and result of the claims if anyone have done it.
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Verizon never used that point in their advertising for the phone. Also, "shortly" is an ambiguous term that has no specific time frame.
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Verizon never used that point in their advertising for the phone. Also, "shortly" is an ambiguous term that has no specific time frame.
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There are reasonable expectations of "shortly" though, and depending on when you bought the phone, 6 months isn't shortly, and in court, I'm going to say they'd agree with you on that.
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Verizon never used that point in their advertising for the phone. Also, "shortly" is an ambiguous term that has no specific time frame.
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Although Verizon is selling docks that require 2.2 for full functionality.
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Yea maybe someone with a lawyer uncle or something start up a class action and maybe all fascinate owners will end up with $10 off their $400 monthly bill in 2020.
Guys at androidcentral talked about a class action lawsuit filed against samsung in their latest podcast.
Here is the deal that they said. First if you start the suit by the time is actually get heard in front on the judge froyo will have been out. Secondly there have been no "confirmed" ETA of froyo. Granted it would be hard to prove that your lack of froyo had cost you in some form or another.
Class action lawsuit is often filed when there is a defect which causes failure to a product, not because of a lack of system upgrades.
So in all I don't believe you have a case, and even if you think you do (trust me I have a fascinate as well) you will find it hard to get into the courts. Let alone you have no proof whos fault it is, Samsung or Verizon, which leads to an even larger issue of taking on two lawsuits when you have no clue who is to blame.
So my suggestion sit back, let the developers do their work, and soon enough we will have a working gingerbread rom for our pleasure. BTW you can disagree with my understanding of class action lawsuits. I am not a lawyer, nor have any experience with lawsuits. It's simply My Opinion.
The Fascinate is an amazing phone, I just need to sync two google calendars and flash then I will be happy...
Bing search defines soon as:
soon [ soon ]
after short time: within or after a short time
quickly: quickly or without much delay
early: before a reasonable or the desired length of time has elapsed
A lawsuit will be possible only if they EOL the Fascinate with no plans to release froyo.
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Guys at androidcentral talked about a class action lawsuit filed against samsung in their latest podcast.
Here is the deal that they said. First if you start the suit by the time is actually get heard in front on the judge froyo will have been out. Secondly there have been no "confirmed" ETA of froyo. Granted it would be hard to prove that your lack of froyo had cost you in some form or another.
Class action lawsuit is often filed when there is a defect which causes failure to a product, not because of a lack of system upgrades.
So in all I don't believe you have a case, and even if you think you do (trust me I have a fascinate as well) you will find it hard to get into the courts. Let alone you have no proof whos fault it is, Samsung or Verizon, which leads to an even larger issue of taking on two lawsuits when you have no clue who is to blame.
So my suggestion sit back, let the developers do their work, and soon enough we will have a working gingerbread rom for our pleasure. BTW you can disagree with my understanding of class action lawsuits. I am not a lawyer, nor have any experience with lawsuits. It's simply My Opinion.
The Fascinate is an amazing phone, I just need to sync two google calendars and flash then I will be happy...
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Even if there is no case, the bad PR will cost people money and cause them to do something.
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A lawsuit will be possible only if they EOL the Fascinate with no plans to release froyo.
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This. The definition of "soon" becomes irrelevant at that point, and the argument is whether they led people (pre-purchase) to believe that it would be upgraded.
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This. The definition of "soon" becomes irrelevant at that point, and the argument is whether they led people (pre-purchase) to believe that it would be upgraded.
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By selling accessories that say "2.2 required", that would lead people to believe it was to be upgraded.
I'm a lawyer and a fascinate user and I would be delighted to take on the case if you'll take care of the filing fees and costs of process. To substantiate the claim, it will be necessary to subpoena documents from at least 3 vzw divisions, samsung US and samsung global. That alone is already in the range of 4 to 10 thousand dollars assuming you can convince me to work without being paid. If enough users join the class, it's not too bad but to get anything beyond an initial filing, you need to allege harm. How have you been harmed by not having the latest os version? In the legal world, harm = money lost. While not having 2.2 is frustrating, I highly doubt you can demonstrate to a judge (who likely doesn't even know what an sms is) how not being able to use flash enabled web sites has materially affected your life.
In all honesty, you could do way more for your cause by complaining in ways that push samsung fascinate problems to the top of google search results. Register samsung sucks domains and write bad reviews on every web site you can find, esp retailers. Bring the amazon or cnet user ratings below 3 stars and you'll make a difference. Complaining on xda is probably the least effective way of causing samsung to care, since prospective purchasers aren't going here for info on whether to get a fascinate or droid x.
I think buying an official dock that you don't get to fully use because it REQUIRES 2.2 should count for something...
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But this is all based on the idea that we will not get updated to 2.2, which we will.
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Even if there is no case, the bad PR will cost people money and cause them to do something.
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Agreed...I have been flooding the galaxyssupport twitter page and verizonwireless twitter page, I know it is very minimal but Hootsuit has allowed me to accomplish this task very easily, and it's the least I can do. Atleast someone is working over at samsung and verizon cleaning out their twitter pages, wish they would get to the software stuff though..
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I'm a lawyer and a fascinate user and I would be delighted to take on the case if you'll take care of the filing fees and costs of process. To substantiate the claim, it will be necessary to subpoena documents from at least 3 vzw divisions, samsung US and samsung global. That alone is already in the range of 4 to 10 thousand dollars assuming you can convince me to work without being paid. If enough users join the class, it's not too bad but to get anything beyond an initial filing, you need to allege harm. How have you been harmed by not having the latest os version? In the legal world, harm = money lost. While not having 2.2 is frustrating, I highly doubt you can demonstrate to a judge (who likely doesn't even know what an sms is) how not being able to use flash enabled web sites has materially affected your life.
In all honesty, you could do way more for your cause by complaining in ways that push samsung fascinate problems to the top of google search results. Register samsung sucks domains and write bad reviews on every web site you can find, esp retailers. Bring the amazon or cnet user ratings below 3 stars and you'll make a difference. Complaining on xda is probably the least effective way of causing samsung to care, since prospective purchasers aren't going here for info on whether to get a fascinate or droid x.
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How about complaining to BBB for example?
And now I feel like lack 2.2 is not the only issue. I'm on stock and had a couple of unpleasant moments using GPS, which allegedly was "Fixed". Sometimes seeing marker of your car moving like 60 feet off road and constantly giving contradicting directions is not fun. Inability to quickly restore GPS coming out of tunnel is a bit of problem too... Especially if you have car full of people and are moving in unknown city. And It's getting on the nerves more and more!
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shawnchalfant said:
I'm in the process of filing a class action lawsuit in the state of Texas again Ouya for false sales tactics and delay of product delivery to early backers even after product being sold in retail stores. If you want to help, PM me. Let's send them a message, power in numbers friends.
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another waste of time, but another way to make money without working.
That's a brilliant idea *sarcasm*. We finally get an affordable price of hardware that is very developer friendly and you want to get a class action lawsuit that will potentially hinder further advancement of the product. Quit your whining just because you didn't get your console 2 effin days early. Had you gotten you console early you would sue because it wasn't ready to release yet.
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Think about it.
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Not seeking money.
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Look I went about that the wrong way and I apologize. I think there are better ways to get it unlocked than to file a lawsuit. Seriously 75% of the lawsuits in this country are frivilous . file a complaint with the BBB etc.
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Julie's own words, pay attention.
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A line has been drawn in the sand.
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Mediation is great in the short term. But it could also hurt their image publicly, especially with people or groups that are on the fence. It will turn into a public shaming and we could lose future development. Stop soap boxing and crying about this is or that, and please for the sake of everyone that is hoping to dev for this nice piece of hardware, stop trying to threaten a frivolous lawsuit.
I don't make threats.
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I commend that you are a person of action, but seriously what legal backing do you have? And what lawyer would take this seriously?
But honestly if you have the patience and resources to do this, it's your prerogative, I just doubt you'll get the support needed from here to be able to follow through.
I want to ask though, if you are so upset to a point you want to litigate, why would you call this device a "sleeping giant" just 6 days ago? Just curious is all.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=43455331#post43455331
Here's your anwer.
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Removing core functionality.
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Yes they lied to us and used that lie to get money from us but I don't thank we will get them to give us a working recovery this way.
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Say please.
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OP is just showing exactly why most other countries laugh at American lawsuits. I'm American and truly believe that people are STILL sue happy. It's not as bad as it was a few years ago, but still way too much.
Unhappy with your $99 purchase? Contact Kickstarter, they're the ones you should go through if you have problems. While I'm not 100% sure, i'm pretty sure if a person/company does not deliver on their promise, you can get your money back.
Or waste your time, whatever.
I really don't mean to be mean, but honestly I'm tired of hearing people complain. Get your money back if you're not satisfied. It's only $100!!! The stats are in and the majority of OUYA owners ARE happy, and those that are not mostly have moved on. And if you say "it's not the money", you're only hurting the future of ALL Android Consoles by suing OUYA. Possibly hurting even non-android Indie type businesses that will look at what OUYA went through and just say "forget it, I don't even want to try"
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I'd rather ouya use their resources on addressing user concerns rather than lining lawyers' pockets.
Aside from which the console is open enough to defend against frivolity.
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Reply from Ouya support.
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shawnchalfant said:
How long do you think it will be before their business model changes. Do you think their indie attitude will last with the likes of Sega as publishers on this platform. Give it time you will see a repeat in history. I'm but a fart cloud compared to the storm brewing in the distant horizon. Accountability, integrity, and forthright are things that an indie company should stand behind since the public believe and funded them. You guys who talk crap, have the balls to take a stand instead of being the stood on. Go look at all the backers who still don't have their systems they paid for months before we got ours. Go tell them they are whining and its only a hundred bucks. Its so easy until your in their shoes. We need a recovery and need it now, we want custom Roms and that is what is holding back the devs, they don't want to be liable for brick systems until they have a better means of recovery.
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They are a brand new indie startup, what seams like a mistake now can be learned from if that is fact what this is. Good luck trying to damage what otherwise looks like a great idea by messing with their "sleeping giant"
So I talked to ZTE support and if you have an issue with the phone they recommend returning the phone since they have no replacements at all.
borisb said:
So I talked to ZTE support and if you have an issue with the phone they recommend returning the phone since they have no replacements at all.
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supposedly Amazon will have them in stock on the 22nd but they probably have backorder queue as well. Not having stock on hand for RMAs is the dumbest thing ZTE could have done or it points to massive RMA rate
Thats not good news. Where did you buy it? Try replacing it through them.
This has been talked about on their official forum. Basically, Passport 2.0 is currently useless because of the lack of stock. Almost all their devices up to and probably beyond the 9/9 shipments are spoken for.
If you have any type of issue that requires and RMA, you are out of luck for at least two months.
This is a huge misstep for a brand trying to make a name in the US. First they underproduce the device leading to delays, now that underproduction is leading to those with faulty devices either accepting a full return or keeping said device.
Can anybody say One+One?
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borisb said:
So I talked to ZTE support and if you have an issue with the phone they recommend returning the phone since they have no replacements at all.
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I'm curious, were you trying to get an rma and if so, what was the problem with the phone?
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tdgillihan said:
Can anybody say One+One?
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Yeah, OnePlus had a lot of issues at first, but look at them now. Give ZTE time. Besides, why keep a bunch of phones around for RMA when people wanna buy them instead?
Adiyel said:
Yeah, OnePlus had a lot of issues at first, but look at them now. Give ZTE time. Besides, why keep a bunch of phones around for RMA when people wanna buy them instead?
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Because that's how business works and RMA. You either have to be able to recreate them in a short enough time when an RMA hits or have stock to fulfill it. Or don't offer the Passport 2.0 service.
Adiyel said:
Yeah, OnePlus had a lot of issues at first, but look at them now. Give ZTE time. Besides, why keep a bunch of phones around for RMA when people wanna buy them instead?
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OP is still terrible. Have you seen the bug list for OP3? They need to hire more developer and spend more time testing. Every year, they basically let the early adopter beta test their rom for the first few months. They do eventually get it fixed but do not buy a OP phone at launch.
max1001 said:
OP is still terrible. Have you seen the bug list for OP3? They need to hire more developer and spend more time testing. Every year, they basically let the early adopter beta test their rom for the first few months. They do eventually get it fixed but do not buy a OP phone at launch.
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Yeah, they got pretty well screwed by Cyanogenmod when they just broke their contract and abruptly walked away. They do seem to be doing a fair job of recovering, but you're right, needs to be better.
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I'm curious, were you trying to get an rma and if so, what was the problem with the phone?
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I was listening to sound cloud and the phone just rebooted. Ending in a boot loop.
Reset factory and wiping cache did not work.
I talked to newegg this morning. I got a refund.
borisb said:
I was listening to sound cloud and the phone just rebooted. Ending in a boot loop.
Reset factory and wiping cache did not work.
I talked to newegg this morning. I got a refund.
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That's right, I saw your other post. Sorry, I didn't connect the two.
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imp3r10 said:
Because that's how business works and RMA. You either have to be able to recreate them in a short enough time when an RMA hits or have stock to fulfill it. Or don't offer the Passport 2.0 service.
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These companies employ a lot of unconventional business practices because the model they're using is a low margin high sales number scheme. You have to produce units in batches so you don't get stuck with stock you can't move. It's the price we pay for so much phone at so little cost...
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These companies employ a lot of unconventional business practices because the model they're using is a low margin high sales number scheme. You have to produce units in batches so you don't get stuck with stock you can't move. It's the price we pay for so much phone at so little cost...
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I don't know if its worth it.
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I don't know if its worth it.
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It is for me. It's nothing but a win (overall) for the consumer. Sucks if you have a problem with your phone and want a replacement (I just got mine today, so time will tell), but it's a lot of bang for your buck. In general.
I wouldn't say it's nothing but a win. Some can't even get ahold of the device while others with faulty units can't do anything other than return it for a full refund and take their business elsewhere.
Not having enough product to satisfy consumer needs is bad, not having enough to honor your own warranty is worse. It's only bang for your buck if you can get one, and have no issues with it.
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It's only bang for your buck if you can get one, and have no issues with it.
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That's my point. I get the feeling that the demand isn't quite as strong as it seems from reading the forums and I also feel like the number of units with issues is within the realm of reasonable.
I say this without evidence either way; I just take the online portrayal with a grain of salt. I wasn't even aware of the ZTE forum until a ZTE rep referred to me to it. I never would have found it on my own because I wouldn't have looked. As for XDA, well, it's a certain type of person who hangs out here
Don't get me wrong, it doesn't help ZTE's image to not have enough stock. But the truth is that the OP3 is the only real competitor (in my mind) that is currently available around this price point if you're looking for the same features (I don't consider the Alcatel Idol 4S a real competitor because you get mid-range hardware at a mid-range price rather than flagship hardware at a mid-range price with the Axon 7 and OP3). By and large, you either want the Axon 7 and are willing to wait for it, or you go with the OP3. ZTE's inventory issues might cause them to lose customers if they can't get phones out before the 2016 Nexus phones are announced, though.
I think these are growing pains of a manufacturer taking some bold steps to get in the market with a little caution. They are not anywhere near a flagship known company. The cream of the crop Icrap is the leading smartphone maker in the world and has never ever met launch day demand. I believe it's time to lay off and exercise a little patience.
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I believe I've exercised some patience. I pre-ordered on the first day they went up. After multiple delays I'll be lucky to see my device almost two months after its release.
Pre-orders are usually used to judge interest and are a build to of sorts, and they fell way behind on this aspect. I know this happens with a few other companies as well, but I've never had to wait this long.
I know I'm speaking from a point of frustration right now due to the most recent delay hitting hours ago.