As someone else said, imagine what would happen if the iPhone's GPS didnt work, so why is Android held to a lower standard? Why are we supposed to accept whatever we are given, regardless of what we are promised? The SGS and iPhone 4 cost about the same amount, but we, as Android owners are supposed to just be grateful for anything that we get even when its less than promised?Samsung is already "rumored" to be planning our phone's successor. Thats bull****, we dont deserve to be treated like this. I love the Class Action Suit, but does anyone have any other creative ideas to not only help out current SGS owners but also ruin possible SGS 4G prospects? Samsung needs to be taught that we wont just be grateful for whatever we get, we demand what we are promised, we demand what we pay for; this is only reasonable.
A company should at least have some concern for their consumers, even if its barely recognizable. Samsung left us with a broken device we paid handsomely for, they have 0 concern for us. So I pray to whoever is listening up there that the SGS 4G fails miserably. If I knew how, Id make and circulate a Facebook page with just a couple of sentences outlining the case against Samsung. Even those who dont know much about Android would pay attention to a facebook page saying Samsung has ripped off SGS consumers, so avoid any Samsung phone at all costs, there are plenty of great alternatives. Maybe there is a more effective avenue, maybe we could even pursue multiple avenues. The goal is to bring attention to the shortcomings of the SGS we currently have, it deserves Samsung's attention. And now is the time, while the class action is getting attention, lets pile it on. Im happy to do what I can, im just not sure what to do. Any ideas?
kinda like the facebook page idea. I hate that Samsung doent give a **** about selling us a broken phone, even if they said they were really sorry itd be ok if they didnt fix it. Not only are they pricks, they're dicks too.
Well, debut day of Vibrant 4G or Successor is coming up. There will be people showing up to buy them. They will be watching its debut day. There will also be press and reviewers about its debut. Thus, if you have a crew of buddies willing to help you out in boycotting their Vibrant 4G or any of the coming Galaxy S product with picket signs and banners for in front of the local stores with drums and horns. Have your buddies call up local news and it will make it to some news since people will wonder what is going on... Resist if they give you and your buddies Vibrant 4G to shut you guys up. Too bad we just missed the CES. With all those press there, that would have been perfect! We need to organize into big group to do this more effectively even if lawsuit takes forever.
This will get them to know how angry we are about this "Froyogate"
Also, maybe somebody needs to make a boycott app for ALL Galaxy S product.
Report our problems on site like RipOffReport.com, scam.com, ScamBusters.org
Give the bad review that you think the product deserve on sites like amazon epinion, pricegrabber, cnet, etc.
http://www.examiner.com/technology-in-national/samsung-responds-to-froyogate-accusations
Corporations want to maximize their profits, both for themselves and their shareholders. Thus, this shouldn't come as a surprise.
A tipster has come forward and said that Samsung is holding back the Android 2.2 (Froyo) update from the T-Mobile Vibrant (Samsung Galaxy S variant) because they are afraid that such an update will impact sales of their upcoming Samsung Vibrant 4G Plus.
Reportedly, the new device is little different than the original Vibrant. In addition to the original Vibrant, the Vibrant 4G Plus has a front-facing camera, Android 2.2, and HSDPA+ 21 support.
Here's what the tipster said:
Some disturbing things have happened the last week or so concerning our “Vibrant”. Samsung has NOT allowed us to push the update OTA for 2.2 because they feel it will decrease the value of the upcoming Vibrant4G +. While from a marketing aspect i totally understand, as the Vibrant 4G is what the original Vibrant should have been in the 1st place. But to shun off and bold face lie to customers is NOT what T-Mobile is about.
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Furthermore, if Froyo works in "Vibrant 4G" - another product of Vibrant, this means it should be already for distribution for the Vibrant 3G version with minor changes.
I like the sound of all of this. I can't stand the idea that samsung suffers no repercussions for selling so many broken phones. Froyo or no froyo, the phones gps is broken, samsung shouldn't have the option to not fix it, it's INSANE
I thought that if you demonstrate to T-Mobile that the official Samsung GPS Tool fails, they would consider it defective and send for a replacement. Don't crucify me if I'm wrong, I haven't dealt with either companies.
My Samsung Vibrant came hardware locked, with faulty GPS. Samsung told me it wasn't there problem (no warranty because I brought it into Canada without an "international warranty"). Have I thought about a class action suit? Nope. I dunno, maybe it's because I'm Canadian or something, but I've just tried to fix my own problems. It's not the first product that's let me down, and I don't expect some lawyer to make it all better. Eventually the awesome people on this forum came up with a fix for the hardware lock. Then they brewed up roms based on the 2.2 leaks. Then a hardware GPS fix, combined with new software updates and now my GPS locks on in under 15s.
So what have I learned from all of this? I won't be purchasing a Samsung phone again. They've lost a customer. I vote with my wallet, not by signing some e-petition, or joining a Facebook group.
Do you really think a class action would change anything? Even if you are successful, you'll probably just get a credit towards your next Samsung purchase, or a refund on the cost of the GPS chip.
Let them know how you feel, and that you won't purchase any of their products in the future, and will be advising friends/family to do the same. kobesabi has outlined some great ways to let them know.
OP, check out the hashtag thread. If everyone screams the same thing our voice is louder.
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I thought that if you demonstrate to T-Mobile that the official Samsung GPS Tool fails, they would consider it defective and send for a replacement. Don't crucify me if I'm wrong, I haven't dealt with either companies.
My Samsung Vibrant came hardware locked, with faulty GPS. Samsung told me it wasn't there problem (no warranty because I brought it into Canada without an "international warranty"). Have I thought about a class action suit? Nope. I dunno, maybe it's because I'm Canadian or something, but I've just tried to fix my own problems. It's not the first product that's let me down, and I don't expect some lawyer to make it all better. Eventually the awesome people on this forum came up with a fix for the hardware lock. Then they brewed up roms based on the 2.2 leaks. Then a hardware GPS fix, combined with new software updates and now my GPS locks on in under 15s.
So what have I learned from all of this? I won't be purchasing a Samsung phone again. They've lost a customer. I vote with my wallet, not by signing some e-petition, or joining a Facebook group.
Do you really think a class action would change anything? Even if you are successful, you'll probably just get a credit towards your next Samsung purchase, or a refund on the cost of the GPS chip.
Let them know how you feel, and that you won't purchase any of their products in the future, and will be advising friends/family to do the same. kobesabi has outlined some great ways to let them know.
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I understand your feelings. And I think most people in here is of the mindset that we can fix our phones better than Samsung. What is going on here is a movement towards holding Samsung to their promises. They are in the OHA and therefor are legally bound to release the Source Code for the Vibrant. The second thing is that they promised multiple times throughout the last year that they would release Froyo to the US Galaxy S phones, and they didn't. If you vote by your wallet that is OK. How much do you spend on buying a new phone? With the current pricing around $500 without contract. If one person doesn't give Samsung their $500, Samsung doesn't care. If all the people on XDA doesn't give them $500, Samsung still won't care. However if we can get enough people to realize that Samsung is not a good company to buy from as they have TERRIBLE software support for their phones, if we could get 100,000 people at first, that is $50 million, which is still just a drop in the bucket for them, but that is surely more painful than $500. This is to try to make Samsung take responsibility for their products.
Agreed, Samsung should be held to the agreements made regarding their source code. I also agree that people should be informed Samsung as a company, and their poor customer relation choices.
I just think a Class Action is the wrong way to do it
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Well, debut day of Vibrant 4G or Successor is coming up. ... Resist if they give you and your buddies Vibrant 4G to shut you guys up.
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Riiiiiight...I promise I will do that!
AndroidPerson said:
As someone else said, imagine what would happen if the iPhone's GPS didnt work, so why is Android held to a lower standard? Why are we supposed to accept whatever we are given, regardless of what we are promised? The SGS and iPhone 4 cost about the same amount, but we, as Android owners are supposed to just be grateful for anything that we get even when its less than promised?Samsung is already "rumored" to be planning our phone's successor. Thats bull****, we dont deserve to be treated like this. I love the Class Action Suit, but does anyone have any other creative ideas to not only help out current SGS owners but also ruin possible SGS 4G prospects? Samsung needs to be taught that we wont just be grateful for whatever we get, we demand what we are promised, we demand what we pay for; this is only reasonable.
A company should at least have some concern for their consumers, even if its barely recognizable. Samsung left us with a broken device we paid handsomely for, they have 0 concern for us. So I pray to whoever is listening up there that the SGS 4G fails miserably. If I knew how, Id make and circulate a Facebook page with just a couple of sentences outlining the case against Samsung. Even those who dont know much about Android would pay attention to a facebook page saying Samsung has ripped off SGS consumers, so avoid any Samsung phone at all costs, there are plenty of great alternatives. Maybe there is a more effective avenue, maybe we could even pursue multiple avenues. The goal is to bring attention to the shortcomings of the SGS we currently have, it deserves Samsung's attention. And now is the time, while the class action is getting attention, lets pile it on. Im happy to do what I can, im just not sure what to do. Any ideas?
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Send me all your grievances
[email protected]
Copy and paste them on RipoffReport
Samsung Forums
Facebook
Twitter #NeverAgain
Everywhere!!!!!!
Thanks for all the Support
BOYCOTT THE SAMSUNG 4G
I made a theme song
http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_6815946
(To be honest I would have made this song at least a month ago before all of this but I was real busy all through December)
Here's one more thing we can do:
Post bad reviews of Samsung Galaxy phones on all online retailer web sites that sell them. Got an Amazon account? Post feedback there and drive this phone's rating down it gets Samsung's attention and warns potential buyers about buying a product that they will most likely be dissatisfied with once they realize that GPS is marginally functional and that it's running now outdated version of Android with no update in sight. Do the same on Tiger Direct, NewEgg and whoever else sells this phone.
Collectively we can definitely make Samsung take notice.
Lol the iphones attenna doesn't work.... no one sued over that
Although im all for the law suit
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bbm21 said:
Lol the iphones attenna doesn't work.... no one sued over that
Although im all for the law suit
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Let me google that for you..what do you know...multiple lawsuits filed regarding antenna gate.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...on-suits-filed-over-iphone-4-antenna-flaw.ars
Also, people can also get creative on Youtube. Or something like MicBeast...the more sabateurs try to oppose him, the more view counts it gets and the more people pay attention to it.
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Also, people can also get creative on Youtube. Or something like MicBeast...the more sabateurs try to oppose him, the more view counts it gets and the more people pay attention to it.
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http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_6834100
I will be working on a YouTube video
exactly what kobesabi said
don't be fooled by the saboteurs
they had my thread closed
and I will not respond to any more of their BS
I am still going through with this class action
My original thread regarding the CA had nothing to do with this song
This came out of me complaining to people
about the constant issues I've had with my Vibrant
They would say "just shut up and make a song about it"
So I finally did
Agent Jones is one of those users that joined this forum for the sole intent and purpose of having my thread closed, and possibly having me banned from this forum. These are his posts see for yourself
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=56507152
please join me in having saboteurs like him banned from this forum
people like him
whose sole purpose is to silence anyone who opposes their best interest
have no place in any public forum
Acknowledgment & Fax Cover sheet to submit additional information.
Filling for: ***** has been received by the FCC. Thanks for your information. When inquiring about your complaint, be sure to reference this number: 11-C00273373 and, be sure to mention that you filed this complaint over the internet.
I have just joined the Facebook group NeverAgainSamsung: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_119358658137499
C'mon!
AndroidPerson said:
As someone else said, imagine what would happen if the iPhone's GPS didnt work, so why is Android held to a lower standard? Why are we supposed to accept whatever we are given, regardless of what we are promised? The SGS and iPhone 4 cost about the same amount, but we, as Android owners are supposed to just be grateful for anything that we get even when its less than promised?Samsung is already "rumored" to be planning our phone's successor. Thats bull****, we dont deserve to be treated like this. I love the Class Action Suit, but does anyone have any other creative ideas to not only help out current SGS owners but also ruin possible SGS 4G prospects? Samsung needs to be taught that we wont just be grateful for whatever we get, we demand what we are promised, we demand what we pay for; this is only reasonable.
A company should at least have some concern for their consumers, even if its barely recognizable. Samsung left us with a broken device we paid handsomely for, they have 0 concern for us. So I pray to whoever is listening up there that the SGS 4G fails miserably. If I knew how, Id make and circulate a Facebook page with just a couple of sentences outlining the case against Samsung. Even those who dont know much about Android would pay attention to a facebook page saying Samsung has ripped off SGS consumers, so avoid any Samsung phone at all costs, there are plenty of great alternatives. Maybe there is a more effective avenue, maybe we could even pursue multiple avenues. The goal is to bring attention to the shortcomings of the SGS we currently have, it deserves Samsung's attention. And now is the time, while the class action is getting attention, lets pile it on. Im happy to do what I can, im just not sure what to do. Any ideas?
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I love the facebook idea, we can have a vote "buy from samsung again, yes/no"...set that up and lets start a movement and make other consumers aware of what samsung had done.
Lot of good ideas here, maybe op can update with an organized list. I registered at scam and tipoff report so I'll start or add to samsung complaints, and th facebook thing sounds great. Let's keep it up
We egg sammys ceo house all day long )
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Being a previous samsung owner (behold 2) I don't think that the first galaxy s line will get it. Why??? Cause samsung is already in the process of making a second galaxy s line. Just like in the armed forces how they send out the army first(vibrant, epic, captivate) then the navy, then air forces. Well that's what samsung is doing. If you think I'm just spitting out bull check out the new galaxy s phone sprint is about to get. It is keyboard less and is coming out months after the epic 4g. Why would they need 2 galaxy s phones when they already have 1 with a keyboard and an evo???
I truly think we are gonna get froyo in october but nothing after that. I'm not mad though I'm just gonna get a g2 but this is crazy how phone companies operate these days all due to android fragmentation.
Link to new galaxy s for sprint
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/30/samsung-transform-kyocera-zio-headed-to-sprint/
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Meh, the dev scene should be fully up and running by that point. Personally at that point I couldn't care less if Samsung doesn't update.
They've already proven that they don't give a **** about their appearance in the world (really, you ship a broken phone to four carriers in the US and to ~30 other countries around the world and expect anyone to take you seriously), so let them continue to shoot themselves in the foot.
Just my $.02
tjhart85 said:
Meh, the dev scene should be fully up and running by that point. Personally at that point I couldn't care less if Samsung doesn't update.
They've already proven that they don't give a **** about their appearance in the world (really, you ship a broken phone to four carriers in the US and to ~30 other countries around the world and expect anyone to take you seriously), so let them continue to shoot themselves in the foot.
Just my $.02
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yeah, I've pretty much bought my last Samsung product. With ViewSonic entering the TV market and LG having as good a picture quality as Samsung already I don't need them for that, and as for phones/tablets? Well fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on ME.
Im calling tmobile and emailing executive support to get a refund or a replacement with a g2
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Im calling tmobile and emailing executive support to get a refund or a replacement with a g2
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Good for you. And again, like everyone else, thank you so much for sharing your personal shopping preferences with us. Without well thought out, logical, factual, and rational statements such as yours the world would be a much worse place to live in. I am sure I speak for everyone here in thanking you for letting us know where you stand and that your presence will truly be missed in the Vibrant community.
We hope you will enjoy your new bug-free,super awesome, no problems at all G2 that is sure to have Honeycomb as soon as it is available as well.
Boohoo. Stop flooding this forum with stupid topics when there is already plenty others.
If you care so much about getting the newest OS on your phone, go get a N1 or N2 I am sure you will get the newest OS as soon as it came out.
Ibtl
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And a HUGE boo hoo back at the 4 crybabies above this post.
Samsung is building a reputation of not supporting their products after the sale.
This is something the community needs to be kept aware of so other people don't make the mistake of buying their hardware with its good looking specs.
I'm fed up with companies releasing product (or more like the product escaping) before it is finished as well.
And as a final comment to the 4 whiners above, if you don't like this thread no one forced you to read it. Do something productive and contribute to the community, even if it is just a warning to future buyers not to buy from a given company instead of trying to tear down what someone else is doing.
I'm starting to think it was a mistake even registering an account on this forum, Lol.
There are way too many fanbois.
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Boohoo. Stop flooding this forum with stupid topics when there is already plenty others.
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Nothing wrong with wanting Gingerbread, and expecting it, if the hardware supports it.
Samsung should manage its product support better. Way better.
why don't we do the same thing like the guys wil LG Optimus did? they posted questions all over their Facebook site and Twitter.... how about a group effort to do the same?
We've done that in the past with various phones. Samsung/Sprint just don't seem to care.
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We've done that in the past with various phones. Samsung/Sprint just don't seem to care.
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Well let's do it again. These phones are Samsung's best sellers. We should be able to give them a run for their money. I didn't pay 500$ for an antiquity(YES i bought it).
apatcas said:
Well let's do it again. These phones are Samsung's best sellers. We should be able to give them a run for their money. I didn't pay 500$ for an antiquity(YES i bought it).
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Bought mine too - but it really didn't get anything solved for the 1.5 Hero kernel source - they still released it on their own schedule.
you know im just impressed that this worked for LG and when i even suggest this here everyone just gives the **** up... i mean really? do you think it will hurt our chances to get an update? people are so used to taking **** and just eating it up.
nothing in this world will just coincidently land in your lap.
here's the link... http://www.facebook.com/SamsungGalaxyS
I asked. didn't hurt me to type. then again i actually fought for a lot of stuff in life.
Its not about eating he piles of utter bs they feed us with a snow shovel, its the simple fact that they will release it on their own internal schedule and unless your giving the project manager head under his desk 9-5 then the ammount you ***** about the update matters to them about as much as one of their 8 year old production line workers complaining that they are hungry or just lost a finger in a machine. Complain all you want, they have their cash now and they can do as they please. Now wether or not what they do is a good business decision for keeping and maintaining a happy customer base is a totally different situation. In all actuality the people on this and other SGS boards are in the minority, just audible enough to cause a fuss and make them release a generic statement that all public companies would that won't effect stock prices. The other 70% of customers couldn't give two air ****s what 2.2 is or what the hell kernel or source actually mean othe than popcorn and original copy.
Now as far as it working for LG. You show m where they said "no you can't have it" and then said "ok well you *****ed and threatend law suits enough here it is" I may believe that they actually released it based on consumer pressure and demands, other wise they did the same thing every company does. Develop a product, change their mind 7 times a week, finally get something that is "ok" but in all reality is mediocre because of the politics involved internally, test it, fix it, lather, rinse, repeat as necessary, release to the customer and in the process shut the people up who are *****ing and won't be happy even when its done because someones $15 dollar sub standard blue tooth headset won't pair or an app in the market that used to work fine fcs now.
/rant
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Like I've said before: Sprint has people deliberately "leak" updates to quiet down the tech crowd by throwing them a bone now and again. We also do their beta testing for them on a large scale. Do you think that Sprint engineers don't comb these boards for good ideas?
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Top Nurse said:
Like I've said before: Sprint has people deliberately "leak" updates to quiet down the tech crowd by throwing them a bone now and again. We also do their beta testing for them on a large scale. Do you think that Sprint engineers don't comb these boards for good ideas?
Sent from hell...
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Ofcourse they do,thats buisness...And the real reason 2.2/2.2.1 didnt come out sooner,work really didnt start till about a month and a half ago,and there is still no real rush.Have you noticed how many EVO commercials are on tv now,and pretty much no more epic commercials.Its because they need to sell as many of those phones as possible for reasons unknown.But there is a big push to sell those phones.Yes they held back on 2.2 to patch some things in 2.2.1,mostly root,but that was like 3 days extra work at most.
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I stay in the Vibrant section, but was hoping others could help the cause.
I generally remain calm and try and remain upbeat and defend... but the news (rumor/leak) about Samsung holding off the froyo release to sell more phones set me over the edge.
While nothing is confirmed, I still believe Samsung needs to be aware of just how pissed they are making our community. I'm not talking stupid class action, blah blah... I simply want our voice heard, and for a Froyo release to happen ASAP... but beyond that, I want them to adhere to the Open Handset Alliance and release their source for our developers.
http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/
I believe we all now who is going to put out a better product, and right now they (our developers) are handicapped because they do not have everything they need.
That said, we need to be organized!
We need twitter to trend.
To do that, we all need to use the same #hashtag. We also need to threaten something that means something to them... the whole problem is they are not updating to help with their sales (allegedly). Well, we need to threaten to never buy Samsung again.
Please use this #Hashtag:
#NeverAgain
would work.... it is easy to use, short and to the point.
An example: (just copy/paste this if you like)
[email protected] I will never buy a Samsung product after the way you've treated your customers. #NeverAgain
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OR (thanks to @JunkDruggler):
@Samsungtweets After the BH2 fail and the Vibrant fail.. I will #NeverAgain buy #samsung..
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You need to tweet:
@SamsungMobileUS and/or @SamsungTweets
I sent a similar tweet earlier, and they are now following me. THEY ARE LISTENING... MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD!!
I do not use Facebook (wow), BUT, here is a LOT of their information compliments of a post from XDA user AllGamer.
AllGamer said:
List of Facebook Samsung's accounts related to our cause:
Mobile Department
Samsung Mobile
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobile#!/SamsungMobile?v=wall
Samsung Mobile Canada
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungCanada#!/samsungmobilecanada?v=wall
Samsung Mobile España
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsu...ges/Samsung-Mobile-Espana/108610811866?v=wall
Samsung Mobile Global
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileGlobal#!/SamsungMobileGlobal?v=wall
Samsung Mobile Romania
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileRomania
Samsung Mobile Singapore
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileSingapore#!/SamsungMobileSingapore?v=wall
Samsung Mobile UK
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungUKmobile#!/SamsungUKmobile?v=wall
another Samsung Mobile ?
http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=72687635881&v=wall
Country
Canada
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungCanada#!/SamsungCanada?v=wall
Korea
http://www.facebook.com/samsungkorea#!/samsungkorea?v=wall
USA
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungUSA?v=app_264732985926#!/SamsungUSA?v=wall
Models fan base pages?
Samsung Galaxy S
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsu...pages/Samsung-Galaxy-S/112079458807762?v=wall
Samsung Galaxy S Romania
http://www.facebook.com/i9000GalaxyS
Samsung Captivate
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsu...ages/Samsung-Captivate/114820871900462?v=wall
Samsung Epic ?
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungEpic#!/SamsungEpic?v=wall
Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant ?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsu...msung-Galaxy-S-Vibrant/129061660469467?v=wall
Unknowns
Engineering ?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsung-Engineering/105652329467423?v=desc
Service ?
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungService#!/SamsungService?v=wall
Samsung ?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsung/25448656869#!/pages/Samsung/25448656869?v=wall
Samsung Apps ?
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungApps?filter=2#!/SamsungApps?v=wall
If anyone can confirm which ones are official and which ones are fan based, it'll be greatly appreciated.
The ones in the Mobile Department and Country specific are definitely legit, anything else are most likely fan based sites.
- NEW full list of legit Samsung Twitter accounts -
http://twitter.com/Samsung/lists
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Haha. Did you see they just said they plan on selling 60 million handsets in 2011? I had to tweet back to them myself on that one. I said good luck since about 50% of power users won't ever buy another samsung after the failures with the Galaxy S.
Thanks for the crosspost from the vibrant forum, I wouldn't have seen it otherwise, so I hope the mods don't remove it.
I set up a twitter account just to complain to Samsung. They should be embarrassed over this. They and Sprint should fire all their devs and hire the folks here. It's ridiculous what is accomplished here by the developers working without full resources or a paycheck compared to what Samsung gets accomplished. It's amateur hour over there.
Tweeted!!! I'm with this movement all the way. Never again will I buy another Samsung phone.
Done and done. Thanks for getting this movement started, power to the people!
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Thanks for the crosspost from the vibrant forum, I wouldn't have seen it otherwise, so I hope the mods don't remove it.
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Thanks man, I felt bad because I did it and THEN thought to myself, shoot... this breaks an XDA rule. I hope that XDA will have a bit of leniency for this isolated event. That said, I certainly would understand if they did close it... sad but I did break a rule.
Our developers need their source!
I also want to add GalaxySSupport to complain to on twitter. It is the support twitter feed for all of the US Galaxy S variants.
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I tweeted them my 2 cents. Thanks for this. I hope alot of people actually jump on it. Not that it's likely to do anything. Still worth a try though!
That being said, it's pretty sad, because the epic has tons of promise. Oh well.
This will work out about as well as internet petitions.
(hint: It accomplishes nothing.. Ever)
done!.........10ch
Done!
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styckx said:
This will work out about as well as internet petitions.
(hint: It accomplishes nothing.. Ever)
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Don't be so sure of that. A smaller website maybe, but one like xda that reaches so many people, its possible to scare them enough to believe we can effect their sales. Its energy better spent than posting over and over speculating about froyo so it also serves a two fold purpose. Overall I'm behind this.
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Done as well.
Man, i hope that rumor isn't true..
Did my part. I hope Samsung listens. They make great phones but need to step away from using an open source platform to maximize how much money they coul make by leaving their existing phone users to die.
I agree with everyone that says the hardware is great, but I just can't stand the fact that Samsung is so slow to update to froyo even after all the complaints. There isn't any sort of support for this phone. Also, the fact they can't promise 2.3 (Gingerbread), as LG has done on the Optimus, even though they were able to put 2.3 on a Nexus S which basically has the same hardware is ridiculous.
You can tell me that I should just root and stop whining but that doesn't solve the problem. It's the principle. I feel like people are just sitting back and saying that the corporations will do what they want to do, which is to look only at short term profits (based on the article on AndroidSpin). If we can affect their bottom line through bad reviews of their products and petitions such as this one I'm sure they'll listen.
Also, if we just sit back and do nothing they'll just do it again and again. The reason for the "whining" is not for the sake of just whining, I just personally want to have the best android platform we can get.
In addition, isn't it just easier for everyone (rooted and not rooted) if we got the upgrade from Samsung directly? So why not try to make our lives easier.
That's why I'm all for this. Just my two cents.
Also, I would suggest people write poor reviews on places like CNET where less "techy" people might read reviews on cellphones before making purchases.
dont think this is going to work because with twitter they haev the same canned response everytime its mentioned , someone needs to reach the higher ups like super management somehow. let them know how unhappy everyone is
Whuts do we need to post on Samsung site? I honestly post sumthing to them daily about dropping the ball on froyo n galaxy
They responded to me w the bull ish Re they sent to everybody about froyo due to the complexity whutever lol
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Done and done.
I wish HTC had invented the super amoled and bought intrinsity instead of samsung. After hearing about all these "new" galaxys s phones being released I can only hope that if and when the froyo source is released it will give devs the code they need for porting 2.3 and beyond. I hope people realize they shouldn't buy these phones and the new galaxy s sales plummet to hell.
I don't use twitter, so I can't post but I do hope this movement is successful in getting samsung to wake up.
I just posted a "tip" link to the Vibrant article on Engadget. The whole Galaxy S Froyo update has been a running joke there, so hopefully they will pick up on this latest news.
this post aint about "where is froyo" but instead im wondering if anyone have filed claims against samsung/verizon for false advertising.
Now despite how good the phone is, it is still fact that they falsely advertised the product stating that it will be updated to 2.2 "shortly" after release.
I am interested in the process and result of the claims if anyone have done it.
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this post aint about "where is froyo" but instead im wondering if anyone have filed claims against samsung/verizon for false advertising.
Now despite how good the phone is, it is still fact that they falsely advertised the product stating that it will be updated to 2.2 "shortly" after release.
I am interested in the process and result of the claims if anyone have done it.
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Don't know. Try it yourself and let us know.
good luck with that.
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this post aint about "where is froyo" but instead im wondering if anyone have filed claims against samsung/verizon for false advertising.
Now despite how good the phone is, it is still fact that they falsely advertised the product stating that it will be updated to 2.2 "shortly" after release.
I am interested in the process and result of the claims if anyone have done it.
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Verizon never used that point in their advertising for the phone. Also, "shortly" is an ambiguous term that has no specific time frame.
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Verizon never used that point in their advertising for the phone. Also, "shortly" is an ambiguous term that has no specific time frame.
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There are reasonable expectations of "shortly" though, and depending on when you bought the phone, 6 months isn't shortly, and in court, I'm going to say they'd agree with you on that.
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Verizon never used that point in their advertising for the phone. Also, "shortly" is an ambiguous term that has no specific time frame.
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Although Verizon is selling docks that require 2.2 for full functionality.
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Yea maybe someone with a lawyer uncle or something start up a class action and maybe all fascinate owners will end up with $10 off their $400 monthly bill in 2020.
Guys at androidcentral talked about a class action lawsuit filed against samsung in their latest podcast.
Here is the deal that they said. First if you start the suit by the time is actually get heard in front on the judge froyo will have been out. Secondly there have been no "confirmed" ETA of froyo. Granted it would be hard to prove that your lack of froyo had cost you in some form or another.
Class action lawsuit is often filed when there is a defect which causes failure to a product, not because of a lack of system upgrades.
So in all I don't believe you have a case, and even if you think you do (trust me I have a fascinate as well) you will find it hard to get into the courts. Let alone you have no proof whos fault it is, Samsung or Verizon, which leads to an even larger issue of taking on two lawsuits when you have no clue who is to blame.
So my suggestion sit back, let the developers do their work, and soon enough we will have a working gingerbread rom for our pleasure. BTW you can disagree with my understanding of class action lawsuits. I am not a lawyer, nor have any experience with lawsuits. It's simply My Opinion.
The Fascinate is an amazing phone, I just need to sync two google calendars and flash then I will be happy...
Bing search defines soon as:
soon [ soon ]
after short time: within or after a short time
quickly: quickly or without much delay
early: before a reasonable or the desired length of time has elapsed
A lawsuit will be possible only if they EOL the Fascinate with no plans to release froyo.
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Guys at androidcentral talked about a class action lawsuit filed against samsung in their latest podcast.
Here is the deal that they said. First if you start the suit by the time is actually get heard in front on the judge froyo will have been out. Secondly there have been no "confirmed" ETA of froyo. Granted it would be hard to prove that your lack of froyo had cost you in some form or another.
Class action lawsuit is often filed when there is a defect which causes failure to a product, not because of a lack of system upgrades.
So in all I don't believe you have a case, and even if you think you do (trust me I have a fascinate as well) you will find it hard to get into the courts. Let alone you have no proof whos fault it is, Samsung or Verizon, which leads to an even larger issue of taking on two lawsuits when you have no clue who is to blame.
So my suggestion sit back, let the developers do their work, and soon enough we will have a working gingerbread rom for our pleasure. BTW you can disagree with my understanding of class action lawsuits. I am not a lawyer, nor have any experience with lawsuits. It's simply My Opinion.
The Fascinate is an amazing phone, I just need to sync two google calendars and flash then I will be happy...
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Even if there is no case, the bad PR will cost people money and cause them to do something.
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A lawsuit will be possible only if they EOL the Fascinate with no plans to release froyo.
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This. The definition of "soon" becomes irrelevant at that point, and the argument is whether they led people (pre-purchase) to believe that it would be upgraded.
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This. The definition of "soon" becomes irrelevant at that point, and the argument is whether they led people (pre-purchase) to believe that it would be upgraded.
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By selling accessories that say "2.2 required", that would lead people to believe it was to be upgraded.
I'm a lawyer and a fascinate user and I would be delighted to take on the case if you'll take care of the filing fees and costs of process. To substantiate the claim, it will be necessary to subpoena documents from at least 3 vzw divisions, samsung US and samsung global. That alone is already in the range of 4 to 10 thousand dollars assuming you can convince me to work without being paid. If enough users join the class, it's not too bad but to get anything beyond an initial filing, you need to allege harm. How have you been harmed by not having the latest os version? In the legal world, harm = money lost. While not having 2.2 is frustrating, I highly doubt you can demonstrate to a judge (who likely doesn't even know what an sms is) how not being able to use flash enabled web sites has materially affected your life.
In all honesty, you could do way more for your cause by complaining in ways that push samsung fascinate problems to the top of google search results. Register samsung sucks domains and write bad reviews on every web site you can find, esp retailers. Bring the amazon or cnet user ratings below 3 stars and you'll make a difference. Complaining on xda is probably the least effective way of causing samsung to care, since prospective purchasers aren't going here for info on whether to get a fascinate or droid x.
I think buying an official dock that you don't get to fully use because it REQUIRES 2.2 should count for something...
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But this is all based on the idea that we will not get updated to 2.2, which we will.
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Even if there is no case, the bad PR will cost people money and cause them to do something.
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Agreed...I have been flooding the galaxyssupport twitter page and verizonwireless twitter page, I know it is very minimal but Hootsuit has allowed me to accomplish this task very easily, and it's the least I can do. Atleast someone is working over at samsung and verizon cleaning out their twitter pages, wish they would get to the software stuff though..
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I'm a lawyer and a fascinate user and I would be delighted to take on the case if you'll take care of the filing fees and costs of process. To substantiate the claim, it will be necessary to subpoena documents from at least 3 vzw divisions, samsung US and samsung global. That alone is already in the range of 4 to 10 thousand dollars assuming you can convince me to work without being paid. If enough users join the class, it's not too bad but to get anything beyond an initial filing, you need to allege harm. How have you been harmed by not having the latest os version? In the legal world, harm = money lost. While not having 2.2 is frustrating, I highly doubt you can demonstrate to a judge (who likely doesn't even know what an sms is) how not being able to use flash enabled web sites has materially affected your life.
In all honesty, you could do way more for your cause by complaining in ways that push samsung fascinate problems to the top of google search results. Register samsung sucks domains and write bad reviews on every web site you can find, esp retailers. Bring the amazon or cnet user ratings below 3 stars and you'll make a difference. Complaining on xda is probably the least effective way of causing samsung to care, since prospective purchasers aren't going here for info on whether to get a fascinate or droid x.
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How about complaining to BBB for example?
And now I feel like lack 2.2 is not the only issue. I'm on stock and had a couple of unpleasant moments using GPS, which allegedly was "Fixed". Sometimes seeing marker of your car moving like 60 feet off road and constantly giving contradicting directions is not fun. Inability to quickly restore GPS coming out of tunnel is a bit of problem too... Especially if you have car full of people and are moving in unknown city. And It's getting on the nerves more and more!
SamsungMobileUS: Seeking To Defuse Tensions, Samsung Opens Dialogue With XDA-Dev Forum - http://ow.ly/3X2cL @SamsungJohn
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I'd say the rants of people saying they're never going Samsung again seems to be paying off?
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I'd say the rants of people saying they're never going Samsung again seems to be paying off?
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No pay day yet. This is Sammy's way of confessing they have been trying to do it their way instead of please the customer for too long.
It still remains to be seen what they actually DO about it.
We all know what pathway good intentions paved =]
The bottom line is until sammy gets the carriers in line, and froyo gets released before its 1st birthday! People will rant with good reason. Btw gingerbread has been out for like 3 months! We have a top of the line device running an os from 2009. Honestly I love the hardware but I can't handle this bad os support.
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Whoever even buys another Samsung flagship phone with the belief that they learned their lesson deserves what they are going to get and shouldn't complain anymore. If you haven't realized what their intent is, which is maximum profit with the least effort, while actually making it seem like they kind of care with PR rep's that promise things that they cant' actually commit to. INB4C
My friend asked me what phone he should buy, and looked at the Galaxy S2 and the Motorola Atrix. It was a no brainer which phone was the winner. Go Atrix! Pre-ordered and waiting! He was waiting for a nice dual core phone, but after the mess he has heard from me with Samsung, he said he definitely doesn't want to go through the same thing. To be honest, this crap is making me sick to my stomach just talking about anymore, cause we've all been crapped on, and it doesn't feel nice.
I'm not surprised in the least that Samsung would think that this meaningless gesture would diffuse this issue, but I'm honestly SHOCKED that "Xda leaders" would put any thought into this. I suspect they're making money off this, somehow.
This site has lost its way badly.
At least it's a start and shows Samsung at least recognizes they've pissed off some people. It's better than what they've been doing which has been a whole lot of nothing.
re: XDA profiting... maybe request some transparency on the issue??? Besides, I thought they were in bed with HTC, like Sprint...? (hehehehe )
Y'all getting played ... Pay attention.
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enlighten us on how were being played... I love a good conspiracy theory...
I HEARD... Samsung sent John to distract attention from the fact that they are currently in hostage negotiations with Sprint, the suitcase full of cash is in transit, and Noobnl has the code to unlock it, but he refuses to share it with anyone because he only cares about glory, so he is meeting John at sxsw to listen to crappy emo music and make the handoff. And THEN Sprint will begin work on adding SprintID and a new, improved, constant Nascar streaming app, which can in no way be turned off. Oh, and HTC assassins are waiting there to shoot Noob so that they can still claim that the EVO is the flagship phone, and artificially make supply of the phone backordered to give the impression to the common consumer that it is not a giant POS. Did I miss anything?
I've never owned a Samsung phone before the Epic. It is my first and MY LAST. HEAR ME SAMSUNG? YOU BLEW IT.
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enlighten us on how were being played... I love a good conspiracy theory...
I HEARD... Samsung sent John to distract attention from the fact that they are currently in hostage negotiations with Sprint, the suitcase full of cash is in transit, and Noobnl has the code to unlock it, but he refuses to share it with anyone because he only cares about glory, so he is meeting John at sxsw to listen to crappy emo music and make the handoff. And THEN Sprint will begin work on adding SprintID and a new, improved, constant Nascar streaming app, which can in no way be turned off. Oh, and HTC assassins are waiting there to shoot Noob so that they can still claim that the EVO is the flagship phone, and artificially make supply of the phone backordered to give the impression to the common consumer that it is not a giant POS. Did I miss anything?
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Careful....there's many a self-demonstrated poster in these forums that will actually, seriously, believe that too. *g*
Here's to hoping open exchange of dialogue will soon become exchange of sources and binaries!
Honestly, this was my first Samsung phone in about ten years is so far, it's my last.
It's not the lack of Froyo, this is just a simple annoyance. What killed it is GPS that works like crap, barely functioning accelorometer, retarded hardcoded GPS accuracy refusal to do anything about these two issues. I have a bad feeling that the last bug isn't a bug at all, but an attempt to cover up poorly functioning GPS on this phone. If I was Colbert, I'd wag my finger at them.
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and.... how does this help me???
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Do they sell the car docks now? I've seen them on Sammy's web page since launch, but I have been unable to find a single place where it is for sale.
And you do know that the Epic isn't "a year fukin old" yet, don't you? It was announced in June and launched at the end of August which makes it only 6 months old for consumers.
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2.2 - year old by now.
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enlighten us on how were being played... I love a good conspiracy theory...
I HEARD... Samsung sent John to distract attention from the fact that they are currently in hostage negotiations with Sprint, the suitcase full of cash is in transit, and Noobnl has the code to unlock it, but he refuses to share it with anyone because he only cares about glory, so he is meeting John at sxsw to listen to crappy emo music and make the handoff. And THEN Sprint will begin work on adding SprintID and a new, improved, constant Nascar streaming app, which can in no way be turned off. Oh, and HTC assassins are waiting there to shoot Noob so that they can still claim that the EVO is the flagship phone, and artificially make supply of the phone backordered to give the impression to the common consumer that it is not a giant POS. Did I miss anything?
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I will buy that for a dollar....LOL
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Any Twitter/FB spammers reading??? Can you confirm this yourself... another conspiracy... oh my!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=955776
would be funny if it were true... and then SJ does a little dance 'hey! look over here!' hehehe...
im just finding this all funny at this point...
Hi I'm samsungjohn, just wanted to let you guys know that I'm just using this pr to gain rank within the amsung corporation. I figured if I was able to convince everyone to stick with samsung and to keep buying samsung, that I will be soon promoted. In reality I am jus doing this for a job. I don't even own a samsung phone. I own an LG, but thank you for listening to me and allowing me to pull your strings....Public Actions speak louder than words....oh and by the way. The Truth Is What You Make It, and Who You get To Believe In It.
No worries I'm just poking fun at this all. If people have gotten offended by it then the truth lies within the offended. Lol
now if Samsung were to really/officially be changing fo the people they would skip over froyo and be the first to update every galaxy s series to gingerbread. Or at least get froyo out and gingerbread soon after.
And powers at be, feel free to delete or modify this if you like. I've already gotten past the point of anger, and this whole samsung update bs is just a joke to me now. Samsung makes great dumb phones but a smart phone is just isn't worth it.
Too late, too slow, too little.
Samsung unfortunately is still working on the feature-phone timelines. What they (and most other android phone makers, with the possible exception of HTC) seem to not quite understand is that these smartphones are true computers now, and need to be treated as such. The OS is an integral part of phone, perhaps the most important part, and people will not tolerate a company that refuses to update an OS that both has critical bugs (and yes, the GPS bug is a CRITICAL bug), and appears incapable of utilizing the hardware it's surrounded by. It's like Microsoft refusing to repair a Windows bug that kept all printers only printing in black and white. It's almost worse that the hardware is so good, and is being crippled by a poorly customized OS (like tantalus, nearby but unreachable relief is far worse than no possibility of relief at all).
It's going to take a really big step to mollify those that have been burned by this generation of samsung's smartphones. Samsung, if your listening. You've pissed off many of your most important phone buyers. These are the people who less tech-savvy people ask for advice on phones, and for every 1 XDA member offended by your apparent lack of desire to properly support your equipment, you probably lose at least 10 referral sales to companies like HTC.
My recommendation, at least open the source code for the devs to look at, and if you're having software quality problems (and that's the reason you can't get froyo out the door), invite some of the best devs to take a look at the proprietary modules that you're having problems with. Work with the community and you may maintain some degree of support for your next generation of phones. But keep trying to astroturf them, or worse yet, pull a Behold 2 on them, and watch out as your current market lead could easily change next generation.