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I was playing a game last night when I have noticed that where my baterry icon and clock is, the screen is a bit grey. Now I have been reading on this forum a lot about amiled burn in but how is it posible to have it that fast?
I mean I have this phone for like 7 months and I allredy see this burn in effect.
Is it normal to have it that fast?
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7 moths is more than enough for burn-in...
it begins in 3 months.
should consider yourself lucky if you got it in 7 months.
a word of advice, just ignore it.
don't take it as a big deal or you will just be annoyed all the time lol
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7 moths is more than enough for burn-in...
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Well even though its understandable that the pixels there will wear out eventually being always shinning
I believe its more susceptible for having the screen ON with a static image which includes browsing, google reader, etc meaning all apps that have the status bar ( not fullscreen mode) for few hours (not minutes)
Also OP there is a slight memory effect in my opinion on these screens, means that when you switch from status bar to non status bar screen you can notice it there (grey background mostly).
To be honest, it is very very hard to notice that there. The only problem is I have been planing to use this phone for at least 3 years.(I realy like this phone), but if the burn in goes so fast I won't think it is possible.
I wonder how much a screen cost. Doea eny of you know?
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One way to reduce the chance of burn-in is to reduce brightness, and avoid static images on screen. In Launcher Pro I disable the status bar for this reason.
I've had my Galaxy S for about ten months now, and still no sign of the screen burn.
I haave put my brightnes on automatic.
I won't disable that bar because it is to practical. If there could be a way to auto hide it somehow.
Btw: thnx all for the tips and for the fast answers.
Also sorry for the writeing mistakes to.
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My SGS is 5 months old now and i never put brightness to automatic but 35-50% and still there is no such sign...
I have it since 2 months after purchasing, Display ist always auto-dimmed.
On the picture u can see the clock and some of the battery indicator.
I have pretty heavy notification bar burn out on my Galaxy S after 5 months of use. I'm now using the Launcher Pro hide notification bar on the home screen settings, however the damage has already been done.
I also don't think that the damage arises from the home screens since we spend more time in apps and browsing then in the actual home screens.
Google prohibits hiding the notification bar while your in an app for some reason. They claim that the notification bar is integral and essential to the android OS that's why devs can't simply hide it or remove it from their apps. It's a shame and there was a thread started on google code about AMOLED screens and the Android Notification bar causing burn out.
Check it out here:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9063
The request to hide the notification bar was denied by Google.
I just checked it again by *#0*# and then click blue and i can see "AM" visible @ upper right corner & some shades where there is battery icon. It is not prominent and only showing over blue background but still it is annoying....
Is there a way to fix it?
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Is there a way to fix it?
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AM would suggest you use your phone in the morning more then the evening right? I mean if I would get a burn in it would be a combination of PM and AM (oh I use 24h but just hypothetically)
So either you really use your phone more in the morning OR you left your phone on for a longer period when it was AM time OR what you see is not a burn in, just a "slight" memory effect that could wear off (doubt that). However I would go for that second option, that means leaving the screen on while AM :/
There is no way to fix it. Fixing it would mean to let the other pixels wear out whilst the AM space would be saved. On a plasma/lcd (PC/TV) screen you could do that and I bet the first one who does some APP like this for android will make money from it. But to actually decrease life of the other pixels just to have it even would make your screen loose color etc etc etc. And imagine to wear out the WHOLE screen just to hide the AM
Dont know if there is a way to "infuse" life into the aging pixels. Would be awesome.
The thread about hiding the bar. I think google should give in and let us make it hide able. However I think a better approach would be to acknowledge this a manufacturing defect of amoled screens and for Samsung make way of prolong the life. Something like they have on plasma via pixel shift/double pixels (but no all active like on the next gen of Amoleds) etc (wont help the burn in in long time, but will for sure prolong the life )
It is not just samsung. Nexus one has the same problm with the screen from what i know.
A good program to try and fix the problem is the jscreenfix that is in the market( that is if it is a 'memory' problem). and also ffor others to check if they have wear out problems see: "dead pixel test'
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AM would suggest you use your phone in the morning more then the evening right? I mean if I would get a burn in it would be a combination of PM and AM (oh I use 24h but just hypothetically)
So either you really use your phone more in the morning OR you left your phone on for a longer period when it was AM time OR what you see is not a burn in, just a "slight" memory effect that could wear off (doubt that). However I would go for that second option, that means leaving the screen on while AM :/
There is no way to fix it. Fixing it would mean to let the other pixels wear out whilst the AM space would be saved. On a plasma/lcd (PC/TV) screen you could do that and I bet the first one who does some APP like this for android will make money from it. But to actually decrease life of the other pixels just to have it even would make your screen loose color etc etc etc. And imagine to wear out the WHOLE screen just to hide the AM
Dont know if there is a way to "infuse" life into the aging pixels. Would be awesome.
The thread about hiding the bar. I think google should give in and let us make it hide able. However I think a better approach would be to acknowledge this a manufacturing defect of amoled screens and for Samsung make way of prolong the life. Something like they have on plasma via pixel shift/double pixels (but no all active like on the next gen of Amoleds) etc (wont help the burn in in long time, but will for sure prolong the life )
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I wouldn't call this a defect really.
OLED is a new generation technology and thus, it has many disadvantages as well as advantages.
I'm sure it will get improved in no time.
People who bought the phone should have really researched before making up their mind
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So either you really use your phone more in the morning OR you left your phone on for a longer period when it was AM time OR what you see is not a burn in, just a "slight" memory effect that could wear off (doubt that). However I would go for that second option, that means leaving the screen on while AM :/
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There must be some sort of memory effect adding to this, since on mine, when I notice the problem, I can virtually read the current time! The hours are clearest, and the minutes more blurred as you would expect... but this and the even clearer AM / PM part suggests that part of what is seen is the memory of what has been show recently. Note, I'm not saying there isn't permanent damage too, as I'm certain there is, but I haven't figured out how long the memory effect lasts for, and therefore a suitable means of removing that from the equation to see what is permanent damage.
If you could leave the screen off for (say 12 hours? or maybe longer?), and then get the device to wake-up straight into a full screen coloured graphic (without showing the status bar even briefly), you could be more sure what you were seeing was the permanent state of burn-in. Does such a testing app exist, or could one be created?
Mike
I think it is PM, not sure as P or A is not clear but M is easily visible... And what is this Memory effect? Any solution for memory effect?
Burn-in would be permanent damage to the screen. It would be caused by those pixels being used more and "wearing out" quicker, and would be visible as those pixels being degraded by always displaying less intensely than those around them. Hence being visible as a ghost image of the signal strength, battery meter, time, AM / PM etc.
Memory effect (assuming it really does exist - as I suspect) would appear to be the same thing, but only on a temporary basis. i.e when the time and signal strength meter etc. has been displayed for a while at the top of the screen, and you shift to full page of a suitable colour, you would still faintly see the time still in that corner. However how visible it was would depend on how long you'd recently had the screen on for, how brightly, and how recently ago those screen pixels had been used.
The main difference between this and burn-in would be that leaving the device/screen off for while would reduce how visible the ghosting was.
So:
If what we were seeing was only memory effect and no burn-in, then leaving the device off for a while would cure it completely.
If what we were seeing was only burn-in, then there would be no difference based on recent usage... the ghosting would remain at least the same, and in fact slowly get worse each week or month.
If, as I suspect, both have an effect, then there is slowly increasing permanent damage occurring, but also, it will look even worse when the screen has just been used brightly. Leaving the screen off, would reduce a proportion of the damage.
Since I personally mostly use the screen at minimum brightness (and even have it extra dim at night using "screen filter" app set to 10-15%!), mine does definitely have some permanent damage, but might have a lower proportion compared to someone who uses the screen on full brightness all the time. So using the time as an example, I can see the current hour clearest, and if the screen has been off a while, my ghosting is quite dim and blurred (but still visible).
Someone who has more major damage, might not be able to see the difference between memory effect, and burn-in, as their burn-in would be too prominent.
First time a new phone is used, it shouldn't have ANY burn-in (unless factory testing left some), but would still display some memory effect.
Over time, the permanent burn-in would increase to the point where it was ultimately FAR stronger than any memory effect. In between these two extremes, is where I suspect most of our devices sit, except for the heaviest users!
This is my experience and hunch, but I haven't been able to definitively prove it.
Oh, one final difference between memory and burn-in. Memory effect will be overall crisper and influenced by the most recent usage ("A" or "P" will show more strongly based on which was used most recently.. and hour might be crisper than minutes), whereas burn-in will always be more blurred in areas that change (i.e. all time will be very blurred) and only the most permanent features will be crisp (i.e "M" in AM/PM will be crisp).
Be good to hear from others if they can prove that they get a mix of both types of ghosting, and if we can get an idea for how long the memory effect lasts.
Ironically, one good place I can see the ghosting is on the light brown splash screen for the XDA app!
Ideas for testing:
Leave screen off for a while (longer is better - maybe overnight?). Turn on, and immediately open the XDA app, and see the level of ghosting in the top corner. Note how blurred the hours are, the minutes are, the A / P is, and the M is. etc
Then use the phone for an hour solid, and test again, and check for the same blurriness.
After that second test, if the ghosting is overall more prominent, and you see the current hour and the A or P particularly more clearly than before, then you have just proved you have a mix of memory effect and burn-in.
I expect there to be a range of answers depending on how old the unit is, and how well used it has been (most used screen brightness level etc), so when reporting back, please include than info.
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It is not just samsung. Nexus one has the same problm with the screen from what i know.
A good program to try and fix the problem is the jscreenfix that is in the market( that is if it is a 'memory' problem). and also ffor others to check if they have wear out problems see: "dead pixel test'
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I meant Samsung as a Amoled screen producer not just a smartphone one . Oh really jscreenfix is in the market cool I have bought from them the java version (for PC and TV) longer ago
[email protected] said:
I wouldn't call this a defect really.
OLED is a new generation technology and thus, it has many disadvantages as well as advantages.
I'm sure it will get improved in no time.
People who bought the phone should have really researched before making up their mind
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Sorry for use of stronger words. But this is BS the last part about my researching. I should have researched into what I am buying to? Its not a car or a flat to spend hours on forums searching for every little bug it can have. Also in the time most ppl was buying it. No one knew about this. I dont see any warning on Samsung manuals and etc. I am a consumer and not a researcher. Every plasma tv has a warning the lack of amoled warning is NOT my fault. Thus once I see it I will make my warranty claim
But yes that it will improve
Just saw this thread n wondered if some might actually benefit from this :
Its zsjpj's framework-res. It completely disables the status bar, so you won't have it anywhere in the rom.
Just push to phone as framework-res.apk and reboot.
Link
Use at own risk and only flash if ur familiar with adb. Hmm it worked once, now it doesnt.
Gonna give editing another shot 2moro. U can give it a shot but make sure u back ur framework-res to restore after.
hey
after reading this thread i want to test my samsung , which is 6 months old , too. Red and Green display was okay, i dont noticed anything. But with blue i got the same problem like all of you. i see something like 18.xx o clock... sucks but you have to look hard to see it.
But i dont give a **** ;D
hi. i am using 2 phones the nexus s and the gs2 .
and i noticed something on my gs2 and i need to ask you people about it.
the phone isnt like 3 weeks old. its brand new. however i noticed a temp screen burn in on the following places.
when i use the keyboard for txt msging. if i pull the keyboard down " by pressing back ", i can see the squares of the keyboard on the screen for like few seconds before they dissapear.
i also noticed the same thing in the status bar, battery meter. specially in the browser or an hd wallpaper app called " HD wallpaper "
when i downloaded that app. i turned the wireless and went through the app. now its trying to load . if i switch the screen to the side. the status bar will tilt as well. vertical horizintal depends on the way you move the screen. and i clearly can see the marks of the status bar for few seconds before it dissapear again on whatever verticial or horizintal/
what is the issue here ? i cant call it burn in because its not permenant.
i noticed the same thing with Miui on the nexus S. but only on the status bar. nothing on the keyboard.
any idea peeps
is it some sort of memory effect or bad refrish rate ?
Someone else had this. I think it was related to apps or widgets they installed. It's not normal. Do a search and see if you can find the other thread. Try searching on "ghosting."
i was searching through ghosting. is this normal with everyone here ? or some people dont have it ?
i think you should be carefull with your phone, if you leave it to much on the same background it will burn in easelly, oled burn in as easelly as plasmas when it comes to leaving them on the same image over and over again, try see if you can change yours, i certainly have no such issues with none of the 2 i had nor with this one.
PS: depends on what you mean with ghosting, if you mean the pixel response time beying visible when moving an image fast then yes thats normal, even though oled have 0.01 ms response time this one is deffinitly higher as i can notice it easelly.
i have a screen burn in on my Nexus One, annoying at times when i do notice it.
Yes, I have this. Had a thread, temporarly burn in. I can see it when I type a message.
Just when the keyboard is visible and I pull down the notification bar, I can see the contoures of the keyboard letter there... Probably happens with other things but aren't that noticable on other colours than grey I guess...
i can also see some weird banding or whatever on a pure gray image, not sure how normal this is but ive noticed it with all of my 3 phones.
ghost image disappears for me within 2 seconds (very hard to see unless if you look at the screen hard), definitely not a problem, and wont be killing myself for this or even consider it a hardware issue.
i also facing a same problem as u guys, now waiting for service centre to replace my lcd.
This ghosting issue seems to happen with all phones, very visible when your using the keyboard and you drop down the notification tray, then it goes away after a couple of seconds.
Two issues here. First off, search the forum for burn in, its already been posted.
Two issues, the temporary burn in is new to the galaxy s2 and seems to go away after a few seconds. But all Samsung amoled screens suffer permanent burn in of the status bar, click time, and anything else in a static place.
My nexus one has permanent burn in right now, both status bar and keyboard. Original galaxy s and others has this also.
The temporary burn in seems to be different and only on this new amoled plus display so far.
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This ghosting issue seems to happen with all phones, very visible when your using the keyboard and you drop down the notification tray, then it goes away after a couple of seconds.
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they dont seem to hapen all the phones. only with amoled screens. i dont see anything like this on lcd screens or slcd or the ips screens like optimus 2x and iphone 4.
RogerPodacter said:
Two issues here. First off, search the forum for burn in, its already been posted.
Two issues, the temporary burn in is new to the galaxy s2 and seems to go away after a few seconds. But all Samsung amoled screens suffer permanent burn in of the status bar, click time, and anything else in a static place.
My nexus one has permanent burn in right now, both status bar and keyboard. Original galaxy s and others has this also.
The temporary burn in seems to be different and only on this new amoled plus display so far.
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i did search the forum before i post. however. as far as i know . burn in screens are permenant. and the other threads talked about that. here i am talking about something that goes off after few seconds. something like either ghosting / or something about low memory / low resposne / low refresh rate of the screen. not a real butn in.
I've recently bought a Galaxy S2 from someone and didn't see the burn in until a few days ago.
Now I can't reach the guy to get my money back... the phone seems in perfect shape except for the burn in (status bar and some digital clock widget).
I've been trying every day now to run this app called Screen Burn-in Tools for an hour or so but nothing happens.
You can find the app on the Google Play.
Should I continue using this tool or this burn-in is permanent and there's nothing I can do about it?
I can't believe such a high end phone has such a poor life display... how can this be possible!?!? They should've stayed with the regular LCD or something.
It's too bad because I'm a fan of the OLED idea and technology, but unfortunately samsung owns too many patents for this technology to spread to other manufacturers as well. This is what happens when the damn corporations get their greedy hands on something great that can benefit the mankind!
Hi all ! I recently bought a Galaxy note and was really happy with it. But recently I was reading a mail in the inbuilt mail client (not gmail) and had the background color set as grey and I see a tiny white dead pixel in the bottom half of the screen. I then performed the screen test with the RGB colors from the service menu but in all three screens its not visible. Its visible only on grey backgrounds not even visible on black background. Can any body else test this and confirm !!!.
Instructions: Configure the mail client in the phone (if not already configured) and open any mail and set the background color to grey. Zoom the mail as far as possible so as to see only the background and not any mail text. and check the whole screen for any stuck pixels from a distance of about 5-7 inches.
Please Check the pic !!!
Hello,
Can you please take a picture by a camera or so, as i think it gonna be easier for people to help you and to see exactly what do you mean.
I ve added the PICTURE now !
I have the same. I was considering to return it but I see the pixel not often at all.
Only on certain background...
tried to use screen test...gray background but nothing...
can you still exchange it ? Just tell them it keeps rebooting when in the middle of calls...works fro me...
More user please comment?
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Checked... slightly hue change on right side but no stuck or dead pixel...
Checked mine and don't have any dead pixels or tint/hue problems. Screen seems perfect so far *knocks on wood*. HK white version of the phone.
Check to make sure your dead white pixel doesn't move when you scroll the gray background. I saw something that I thought looked just like yours when I opened up Pandora for the first time because it has a gray background when your entering your login info but I noticed when I scrolled up and down the tiny white pixel was moving as well and was completely gone when I scrolled it off the screen.
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Check to make sure your dead white pixel doesn't move when you scroll the gray background. I saw something that I thought looked just like yours when I opened up Pandora for the first time because it has a gray background when your entering your login info but I noticed when I scrolled up and down the tiny white pixel was moving as well and was completely gone when I scrolled it off the screen.
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Sadly mine doesnt move
alexd83 said:
I have the same. I was considering to return it but I see the pixel not often at all.
Only on certain background...
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Do you also have it on the bottom half of the screen, a little of the centre ?
return it back...this pricey phone should be perfect !!!
hi
Hi I too have this problem. *#0*# When I did the screen test; only green on the screen looks.And the gray screen appears normally please help
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Sadly mine doesnt move
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Suggest you return it. It should have at least one year's worth of Samsung warranty and depending on how you bought the phone (outright or through a carrier contract) they might be more generous as well.
And also mention that you bought this device for the screen and have a sharp eye for screen defects (because you are creative with the S-Pen? Hah!) and they may be more willing to offer an exchange or repair.
By the way it may also depend on which country you're in...
I got such a problem either.My phone had one dead pixel which is always black.And that happaned almost in 10 days after I've bought it.
I know it has 2 years of factory warranty and contacted with service.One of the technicians are a friend of mine and he told us not to give it to the service for just one dead pixel.One pixel is off the warranty until 5 and even it is 5 and the services agrees to change the panel,the phone couldn't be assembled as good as it used to be.So I decided not the see the dead pixel.
I have same issue
there is a reversed color pixel in my galaxy note display
it's visible in most background colors and just invisible in red and black back color.
this pixel is red in most times.
mines blue top right corner and you cab only see it when your screen goes in sleep mode
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Try rapidly changing colors on screen it helps the stuck pixel to come back to life if it's really a stuck pixel. Never get only your screen replaced it's real bad, most of them don't fit the screen proper, dust gets in and it'll irritate you more than the current stuck pixel. Get the phone completely replaced if you can. 1 stuck pixel is mostly ignored under warranty terms, but give it a try
Recently I just noticed that there is a small blue shining dot (pixel) on my screen when I turn GN off and it stays there for near 20 sec !
you can not see it even with the smalest light in the room but it is there in darkness !!!
it is in the right side of the screen a little lower than middle ....
any one else notice that ?
is it normal ?
how can I check what it is ?
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Had this on my GS2, the screen was replaced under waranty.
you have a stuck blue sub-pixel! this should be visible in every picture you display, but it's most noticeable when displaying a black picture (and switching the device off takes about 10-20sec - and the display is still active, but displaying nothing)!
you can test your screen with a test-tool opened with the dialer: enter *#0*#
such a defect is really hard to notice in real life conditions, due to the small subpixel size. also, samsung has no obligation to change your screen because of one dead subpixel, but you can try!
more common is a dead sub-pixel (the subpixel stays always dark), and it's also less annoying. if i would be you i would try to exchange!
Thanks for info
I just test it with *#0*# and there is no blue pixel in the green or red or white or black screens ...
So I just try to ignore it for now or may be change the screen if it gets annoying
Same here. I think is a ICS bug. If i flash a GB rom there is no blue dot. It only appear during 30 o 40 secs when you switch off the screen.
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Same here. I think is a ICS bug. If i flash a GB rom there is no blue dot. It only appear during 30 o 40 secs when you switch off the screen.
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which rom you have ?
I'm on Rocket Rom v2 .
i´m on kingdroid 2.1 but have tried several and the problem is always there except with GB roms.
Try detect pixel and fix from the play store. It helped me fix a stuck pixel on one if my older phones.
I also have the blue pixel when the screen turns off after the ICS update. It doesn't show on a black image either only when the screen turns off. Detect pixel and fix hasn't worked.
BPS ( blue pixel symptom ) seems like an ICS problem or ICS on some devices problem or ...
I tried every solution you can think of but when screen goes off its there for about 20-30 sec and then it goes away.
I tried deferent rom and kernels ....
I think many others has this problem but didn't noticed yet.
For all people experiencing this issue, i would like to tell you that when i got the galaxy note initially, i too had this problem! This problem has nothing to do with software so using Gingerbread or ICS dosent matter. I had taken my galaxy note with this problem to Original Samsung Center. They took my phone to "check it in a dark area" because in daylight it wasnt visible. Then they confirmed to me that it was a screen damage and replaced my damaged screen with a new one free of charge since it was under warranty. So if ur suffering from this same problem please go to your nearest Samsung Service Center OR Outlet where you purchased the phone from and get a screen replacement or phone replacement.
Cheers!
Strange thing is my wife's note has a red pixel. I swear it wasn't there in the start. It goes off 30 secs after screen is off.
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Seem to remember having the same issue, had to be very dark though. Occurred with ICS and GB. I think its a hardware issue. I don't know what the policy is with Samsung and smart phone screens with duff pixels, might be worth checking as with computer screens there are tollerances and 'some' manufacturers have zero tollerance where they will accept a return for any pixel defect, others wont. But this occurs when powered down for 20 or 30 seconds and does not show up with screen tests. I guess the QC policy might be thus: if you power down = your not going to be looking at it = it doesnt matter.
Hello,
So my S7 edge got a replacement display due to being broken like 2 months ago. Today purple smudges started to appear, when I used the device for quite some time heavily and it got quite hot. They disappear when I change display mode or when brightness changes. But sometimes reappear. Is this a defective Display, should I get it replaced via warranty again?
Mine does the same thing, but it has never been repaired or suffered any kind of serious damage. It's not that annoying either.
Could it be some kind of factory defect?
When googling I found it clearly is a hardware display fault. As I had my display swapped by a third party mobile repair shop, they would be the ones to make accountable.
It only occurs at certain brightness settings, and not in all apps/states of display - mostly in those which are really bright like chrome browser without tab open, or dict.cc dictionary app.
I'll keep an eye on the issue and just demand warranty, as this display isn't even 2 months old now. They give 6 months of warranty on exchanged parts. So if it does not go away, I'll just get it replaced again.
It just occured today out of the blue, after flashing custom rom / flashing some stuff and constantly playing on the phone, and it became a bit hot.
It occurred exactly the same to me, after flashing a custom Rom. Now I can't remember which one, but it changed the screen's aspect ratio to simulate the S8's.
After that I flashed stock and the problem kept happening
But I don't think this can be caused by a custom rom... it's a hardware fault.
I hope so because I really wanna install a custom rom ;(
Google the issue - it happened a lot apparently and there is literally no connection to custom Roms - it's a defective Display. I did not have the issue anymore BTW.
I have to get back at this again. I recognized that I can Only see these smudges under certain conditions. I can not see them when I am inside. Only outside, and Only from specific angles - also dependant on screen brightness. When I cover the screen with my hand they disappear.
At first I thought it could also be some fault with the transparent protection skin I also applied one day before first noticing this purple screen problems. But the thing is - they move when scrolling, Only in a small portion of the screen but they go up and down.
The fact I can Only see them in daylight makes me wonder if it's got anything to do with the surrounding brightness sensor that does the automatic brightness and display mode for you.
I find it very strange that I can not provoke the issue indoors, also not if I set up brightness to max.