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Hey,
So I'm on the fence about perma rooting and over clocking my G2, but i have a few questions:
1) Will my battery life suffer greatly due to over clocking say to 1Ghz or 1.4Ghz?
2) Are there any real world noticeable real world performance gains besides benchmark scores?
3) Will perma-Rooting it decrease performance? (Back when i had the mytouch 3g, the phone never felt as snappy after i rooted and installed custom roms, as compared to stock).
Thanks
1) battery life is the same if not better when overclocked with setcpu in ondemand mode at 245/1100mhz
2) there is a definite performance increase
3) custom roms can decrease performance depending on the rom and ui (sense is a bit heavy). Just simply rooting will not decrease performance. Also, CM6.1 is super snappy, especially using Launcher42
DO IT!
Sent from my T-Mobile G2
thedarkpassenger said:
1) battery life is the same if not better when overclocked with setcpu in ondemand mode at 245/1100mhz
2) there is a definite performance increase
3) custom roms can decrease performance depending on the rom and ui (sense is a bit heavy). Just simply rooting will not decrease performance. Also, CM6.1 is super snappy, especially using Launcher42
DO IT!
Sent from my T-Mobile G2
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Launcher42? that's a heck lot of upgrade from Launcher2 I'd like to check it out
but he's right overclocking is not going to eat up your battery much. Heavy graphic ROMs do however suck up battery and performance. I personally like to stick to rooted stock roms and tune up here and there to fit my personal needs.
You should however read carefully and make sure to understand every steps you're doing if you want to root your phone.
androidtoy09 said:
Launcher42? that's a heck lot of upgrade from Launcher2 I'd like to check it out
but he's right overclocking is not going to eat up your battery much. Heavy graphic ROMs do however suck up battery and performance. I personally like to stick to rooted stock roms and tune up here and there to fit my personal needs.
You should however read carefully and make sure to understand every steps you're doing if you want to root your phone.
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thedarkpassenger said:
1) battery life is the same if not better when overclocked with setcpu in ondemand mode at 245/1100mhz
2) there is a definite performance increase
3) custom roms can decrease performance depending on the rom and ui (sense is a bit heavy). Just simply rooting will not decrease performance. Also, CM6.1 is super snappy, especially using Launcher42
DO IT!
Sent from my T-Mobile G2
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Alright I'm going to give it a shot later tonight probably, i forgot about the SETCPU profiles where you can have the phone under clocked while the screen is off. That should definitely give me better battery life. Ill be back to post results
kcm117 said:
Alright I'm going to give it a shot later tonight probably, i forgot about the SETCPU profiles where you can have the phone under clocked while the screen is off. That should definitely give me better battery life. Ill be back to post results
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Good luck and I'm sure you will enjoy your G2.
Oh, and don't forget to show it off to your friends. Let them see how this thing "Fly"
I oc to 1.4+ with setcpu and a few profiles set up i get much better bat life then stock. Im also running a sense rom which feels sluggish until you oc. At 1.4 it runs smooth as can be with live wallpapers plus all the pretty sense animations. The only problem i have is i hate the sense dialer and msg system also i want to change the "personalise" tab....do people really change theyre settings everyday that they need a dedicated button for it? Anyway i digress
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Excuse me, since when does increasing the clockspeed of your CPU INCREASE battery life?!
convolution said:
Excuse me, since when does increasing the clockspeed of your CPU INCREASE battery life?!
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No, that's not entirely true BUT with SetCPU you can profile it with different mode which can benefit the battery life.
kcm117 said:
Hey,
So I'm on the fence about perma rooting and over clocking my G2, but i have a few questions:
1) Will my battery life suffer greatly due to over clocking say to 1Ghz or 1.4Ghz?
2) Are there any real world noticeable real world performance gains besides benchmark scores?
3) Will perma-Rooting it decrease performance? (Back when i had the mytouch 3g, the phone never felt as snappy after i rooted and installed custom roms, as compared to stock).
Thanks
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I don't notice any difference in battery and I have the 1.9ghz kernel. I normally keep it at 1ghz though. I enjoy it overclocked. My games run incredibly smooth, when navigating my phone it literally almost feels like it knows what i'm pressing a split second before i do and benchmarks rape the face off anyone else I know with an android phone. It's just sooo smooth. It really boils down to being the kind of person who likes to hold a powerhouse of a phone in the palm of their hand. (Literally) with even just the 1.4ghz OC you'll never have to ask yourself "can my phone run this without being sluggish?" because the answer is yes, it can probably even run two or three instances of whatever made you question yourself in the first place without being sluggish. Any if you're worried about custom roms from the past, just remember how outdated your old android is compared to this one. No offense because I can relate, I used to have a G1 that is now a hand-me-down to my brother and whenever he asks me to mod something on it, I'm just amazed at how slow it is and really don't know how I tolerated it for the last 2 years. I mean I'd score a 150 quadrant on the G1 (on a good day) but with my full OC on, the G2 scores 3000~3100. That's roughly 20 times faster...
Bottom line is that you won't need to worry about "will this make my device sluggish?" for quite some time.
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Alright guys i got the phone perma rooted now, but i havent installed an OC kernel yet, two questions.
-Which kernal should i install if i want 1.4Ghz? there seems to be two threads with 1.4ghz kernels
-Do i need to install Bacon Bits for the kernel?
kcm117 said:
Alright guys i got the phone perma rooted now, but i havent installed an OC kernel yet, two questions.
-Which kernal should i install if i want 1.4Ghz? there seems to be two threads with 1.4ghz kernels
-Do i need to install Bacon Bits for the kernel?
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just install cm6.1 and setCPU and you will be fine, then you can tweak it up to 1.42 if you like or whatever you want it at
Any heat related issues? Let's say I get into a zone and play some graphics intensive game 6 hours straight on USB power at 1.4Ghz? Wouldn't that put out more heat then the G2 was design to handle possibly shortening its life span?
convolution said:
Excuse me, since when does increasing the clockspeed of your CPU INCREASE battery life?!
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It doesn't. However, overclocking is misnomer. What we really mean is over and UNDER clocking. For example with SetCPU is can create a profile that greatly slows down my CPU when the screen is off. This saves the battery a lot, since my screen is nearly always off.
Also, I can create profiles that slow down the CPU as the battery lowers in order to offset the fact that I overclock the CPU when the battery is fuller.
manvstech said:
Wouldn't that put out more heat then the G2 was design to handle possibly shortening its life span?
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Probably could shorten the life span. I keep phones for a year or two, though, and shortened life span for me isn't an issue. The phone becomes outdated before the CPU gives up.
cparekh said:
It doesn't. However, overclocking is misnomer. What we really mean is over and UNDER clocking. For example with SetCPU is can create a profile that greatly slows down my CPU when the screen is off. This saves the battery a lot, since my screen is nearly always off.
Also, I can create profiles that slow down the CPU as the battery lowers in order to offset the fact that I overclock the CPU when the battery is fuller.
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^This.
I've gone a full 10 hours with my battery still reporting 100%.
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my default sense rom does not feel sluggish at all.
this oc is not really required from my point of view. and it also does not increase battery. the thing what increased is the underclocking when screen is off.
and this you can do even without overclocking. and THEN it brings even more gain.
an example of "real world" for me is how well my g2 plays PSX games on the emulator. I have it overclocked at 1.5 on setcpu and it runs chrono cross pretty much flawlessly with no noticeable slow down.
i use setcpu for underclocking since i don't do enough just yet to overclock, i haven't noticed any battery increase just yet and i've been using it for a few days now. i almost questioned my self if i was losing battery life due to my system mhz always fluctuating? is this a possibility? i just added a profile for screen off 245/245 but i still had to choose on demand? what should i put there. thanks for ur help everyone
I installed the bacon bits 1.4ghz kernel and setup some setcpu profiles.....battery life is much better now.
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screen off profile doesn't work with G2
noone has any proof it does change anything.
with or without widget running
I am experiencing lag on real racing 3, on high graphics. If I overclock to say 2ghz on cpu, will the tablet be stable enough? Should I undervolt ( and does it actually make any difference on temps)? I want to overclock but not at the cost of huge battery drain, can some1 recommend me a good kernel and some stable oc steps?
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lvnatic said:
I am experiencing lag on real racing 3, on high graphics. If I overclock to say 2ghz on cpu, will the tablet be stable enough? Should I undervolt ( and does it actually make any difference on temps)? I want to overclock but not at the cost of huge battery drain, can some1 recommend me a good kernel and some stable oc steps?
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Are you running a custom ROM and kernel? I play RR3 daily and have NO lag. AOKP PUB ROM with ktmanta kernel, at 1.7mhz CPU and GPU OC to 720. Runs great.
Most OC is safe, issues are really with battery and overheating. I've run for long periods at 1900 just fine.
So there's no way the tablet will melt down because of the heat? Does warranty cover that? Assuming they don't know it was overclocked, which they couldn't because the device would be dead, right? I guess they don't bother to repair it and see if it was rooted.
LE: btw did you manage to safely undervolt? Even a -5 gives me reboots on most freqs.
Any time I try to use the app from the store to set the graphics mode it causes problems. Running RR3 without it works fine.
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So there's no way the tablet will melt down because of the heat? Does warranty cover that? Assuming they don't know it was overclocked, which they couldn't because the device would be dead, right? I guess they don't bother to repair it and see if it was rooted.
LE: btw did you manage to safely undervolt? Even a -5 gives me reboots on most freqs.
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Take a look at the KTmanta thread. KTmanta is a great option for what you are after, he notes and codes distinctions between clocking and thermal protection, plus unless you lock the settings, they will reset at reboot!
If you tell Google you messed it up from some sort of tinkering, no - they won't help you.
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So there's no way the tablet will melt down because of the heat? Does warranty cover that? Assuming they don't know it was overclocked, which they couldn't because the device would be dead, right? I guess they don't bother to repair it and see if it was rooted.
LE: btw did you manage to safely undervolt? Even a -5 gives me reboots on most freqs.
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I am assuming you must be using the KTmanta kernel right? I thought it was the only kernel right now that allows for user control undervolting. Trinity has a static -50mv value set on all frequencies by default. You should be able to undervolt just about everything. Getting lockups at -5mv lets me think there is something you are not doing correctly
EDIT: threw the quote in so its less confusing
EniGmA1987 said:
I am assuming you must be using the KTmanta kernel right? I thought it was the only kernel right now that allows for user control undervolting. Trinity has a static -50mv value set on all frequencies by default. You should be able to undervolt just about everything. Getting lockups at -5mv lets me think there is something you are not doing correctly
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Yes, the kernel
Edit: oops thought you were asking me, I see now I was confused.
just bought a Le Pro 3 and couldn't find any kernel or rom that could under volt. is there any rom or kernel to under volt?. Thx
To undervolt you mean to make the cpu frequencies lower? I am doing that with a program called Kernel Tuner. You can set the CPU and GPU speed and set the CPU governor from there.
The phone it has to be rooted.
motanel_pufos said:
To undervolt you mean to make the cpu frequencies lower? I am doing that with a program called Kernel Tuner. You can set the CPU and GPU speed and set the CPU governor from there.
The phone it has to be rooted.
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what i mean is to lower the CPU or GPU voltage.
I don't know how to do that. As I said, I use Kernel Tuner to set the maximum cpu/gpu speed the phone can go. It's not the same thing. But is better than nothing. The phone works really good even with lower frequencies and I don't need top speed except some greedy games. Now I can reach a sot of over 6 hours with 4-5 hours of heavy gaming.
If you can find a way do undervolt please post it.
Claire2001 said:
what i mean is to lower the CPU or GPU voltage.
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No kernels offer access to the voltage table yet. UV isn't available and I don't think it'll come.
Ace42 said:
No kernels offer access to the voltage table yet. UV isn't available and I don't think it'll come.
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thanks for confirming, time to return the pro 3 or sell it at a loss. was just hoping that out there somewhere there would be a kernel that has the feature to undervolt.
I still don't see the point of undervolting the CPU/GPU on a phone. As long as it works fine and the battery last long enough (and honestly this phone have plenty of battery, I recharge every 2 or 3 days), why?
ZeblodS said:
I still don't see the point of undervolting the CPU/GPU on a phone. As long as it works fine and the battery last long enough (and honestly this phone have plenty of battery, I recharge every 2 or 3 days), why?
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Because he used to do that on older device, and thinks this is some kind of a must function lol. I also have no clue why on earth you would need to underclock pro 3, it doesnt overheat, and it has probably best battery life of all snapdragon 821 devices. Undervolting this device would gain you absolutely nothing, nonsense.
Hay everyone!
here, i have some questions... here it goes :laugh:
Is there any possibility that we will get OC (overclock) for our p8 lite?
If we will get cpu oc will it be possible to overclock GPU?
How much is our gpu capable of and whats the current clock?
Vulkan API support one day???
Thanks!
wild_fire said:
Hay everyone!
here i have some questions... here it goes :laugh:
Is there any possibility that we will get OC (overclock) for our p8 lite?
If we will get cpu oc will it be possible to overclock GPU?
How much is our gpu capable of and whats the current clock?
Vulkan API support one day???
Thanks!
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Same question from me! But, I think we need costum kernel
RootingPro-18 said:
Same question from me! But, I think we need costum kernel
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Yeah we do... But the real question is will we get one?
wild_fire said:
Yeah we do... But the real question is will we get one?
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All i need is High performance PC and firmware, but i don't have good enough pc, i tried, to Modify CPU File via ADB but only what i git is Fail! So, if you can, you can try to Modify it too! Maybe you succeed
wild_fire said:
Hay everyone!
here, i have some questions... here it goes :laugh:
Is there any possibility that we will get OC (overclock) for our p8 lite?
If we will get cpu oc will it be possible to overclock GPU?
How much is our gpu capable of and whats the current clock?
Vulkan API support one day???
Thanks!
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OC - definetly kernel related
Vulkan API - pretty old gpu sadly, it can receive vulkan, but it depends on Mali
You may be able to overclock the CPU, but it isn't worth it. Already the battery life is bad to terrible(at least in my case) so overclocking a CPU-> making it more power-hungry will crush the battery life. And I'm pretty sure with overclocking we will get maximum +3K points in Antutu
XTutorials said:
You may be able to overclock the CPU, but it isn't worth it. Already the battery life is bad to terrible(at least in my case) so overclocking a CPU-> making it more power-hungry will crush the battery life. And I'm pretty sure with overclocking we will get maximum +3K points in Antutu
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Its still something...
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Its still something...
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We have a kernel but that's is incomplete so, it may have bugs! And comes with high risk of bricking device! And other thing it is impossible to get 4-8 cores out of sleep, maybe someone will put them on work but right now? Pff! Dream with eyes closed
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We have a kernel but that's is incomplete so, it may have bugs! And comes with high risk of bricking device! And other thing it is impossible to get 4-8 cores out of sleep, maybe someone will put them on work but right now? Pff! Dream with eyes closed
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Kernel is complete
4-8 cores are working correctly, but most of the apps can't see that
Never bricked this phone with a esal kernel
Audriuskins said:
Kernel is complete
4-8 cores are working correctly, but most of the apps can't see that
Never bricked this phone with a esal kernel
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I have!
XTutorials said:
You may be able to overclock the CPU, but it isn't worth it. Already the battery life is bad to terrible(at least in my case) so overclocking a CPU-> making it more power-hungry will crush the battery life. And I'm pretty sure with overclocking we will get maximum +3K points in Antutu
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1. I don't cate about battery usage, i just want max performance
2.i don't have low battery life, idk why
3. If my battery will have problem, i will just brick my phone and send back to service xd if they will nit repair it, unbrick and no problem
4.power banks
D1stRU3T0R said:
1. I don't cate about battery usage, i just want max performance
2.i don't have low battery life, idk why
3. If my battery will have problem, i will just brick my phone and send back to service xd if they will nit repair it, unbrick and no problem
4.power banks
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Tru dat
Hey guys. Just wanted to share some tweaks with which you guys can get amazing battery life on your redmi note 3. I used this setup for 3 full charge cycles, and averaged about 10Hrs SOT with a 1 year old battery, when I was getting about 5-6 hrs of SOT only on normal pie/10 roms. Do give this setup a try if you want the absolute best battery, and don't mind about performance degradation a bit... The device now behaves like it's got a 5000Mah battery now. If you guys manage a better setup than this, then do share your setup down below. And please hit the thanks button if this helped you. Cheers:fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:.
SETUP:
Havoc OS latest 8.1
Latest agni kernel 13.0
Spectrum profile to battery
In any kernel manager (I use fk kernel manager):
.Big cores disabled
.Little cores max clock at 1382Mhz. Min clock to 400Mhz.
.Undervolt to lowest stable value (It's different for everyone, so try out a stable value for you).
.GPU max freq to 432MHz. Min to 133Mhz.
.Adreno Idler to on.
**Guys who have the 2gb kenzo, try the mcaosp 8.0 ROM instead of havoc. It has better
RAM management for you guys.**
shivaay1234 said:
Hey guys. Just wanted to share some tweaks with which you guys can get amazing battery life on your redmi note 3. I used this setup for 3 full charge cycles, and averaged about 10Hrs SOT with a 1 year old battery, when I was getting about 5-6 hrs of SOT only on normal pie/10 roms. Do give this setup a try if you want the absolute best battery, and don't mind about performance degradation a bit... The device now behaves like it's got a 5000Mah battery now. If you guys manage a better setup than this, then do share your setup down below. And please hit the thanks button if this helped you. Cheers:fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:.
SETUP:
Havoc OS latest 8.1
Latest agni kernel 13.0
Spectrum profile to battery
In any kernel manager (I use fk kernel manager):
.Big cores disabled
.Little cores max clock at 1382Mhz. Min clock to 400Mhz.
.Undervolt to lowest stable value (It's different for everyone, so try out a stable value for you).
.GPU max freq to 432MHz. Min to 133Mhz.
.Adreno Idler to on.
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Lol why u disabling cores. If u fantasize about 5000mah battery then buy redmi 8. Most of the kenzo users gone to android 10.
Black_Stark said:
Lol why u disabling cores. If u fantasize about 5000mah battery then buy redmi 8. Most of the kenzo users gone to android 10.
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You don't like it don't use it. Don't criticize him for giving his opinion. You're talking as if he's forced you to disable your phones cores.
By the way, I'll try out the setup. Thanks for posting it for all kenzo users.
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@shivaay1234, Good tutorial - thank you! Could you please share your undervolting preferences?
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@shivaay1234, Good tutorial - thank you! Could you please share your undervolting preferences?
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Glad you liked it mate. I'll tell you my undervolting values, but it's different for everyone, so, do experiment.
400 and 695 mhz with 710mv
806mhz 745mv
1017mhz 825mv
1190mhz 880mv
1305mhz 915mv
1382mhz 935mv
shivaay1234 said:
Glad you liked it mate. I'll tell you my undervolting values, but it's different for everyone, so, do experiment.
400 and 695 mhz with 710mv
806mhz 745mv
1017mhz 825mv
1190mhz 880mv
1305mhz 915mv
1382mhz 935mv
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Thanks a lot mate. You're setup is giving me close to 12hrs of sot, which is insane. I still can't believe it. Thanks man.
i will try, i dont care about android 10
rickymanx said:
i will try, i dont care about android 10
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Lol. Same here mate.
shivaay1234 said:
Hey guys. Just wanted to share some tweaks with which you guys can get amazing battery life on your redmi note 3. I used this setup for 3 full charge cycles, and averaged about 10Hrs SOT with a 1 year old battery, when I was getting about 5-6 hrs of SOT only on normal pie/10 roms. Do give this setup a try if you want the absolute best battery, and don't mind about performance degradation a bit... The device now behaves like it's got a 5000Mah battery now. If you guys manage a better setup than this, then do share your setup down below. And please hit the thanks button if this helped you. Cheers:fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:.
SETUP:
Havoc OS latest 8.1
Latest agni kernel 13.0
Spectrum profile to battery
In any kernel manager (I use fk kernel manager):
.Big cores disabled
.Little cores max clock at 1382Mhz. Min clock to 400Mhz.
.Undervolt to lowest stable value (It's different for everyone, so try out a stable value for you).
.GPU max freq to 432MHz. Min to 133Mhz.
.Adreno Idler to on.
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Where I should get that spectrum profile?
Divyeshj66 said:
Where I should get that spectrum profile?
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It's an app in the play store. Link:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.frap129.spectrum&hl=en
If anyone wondering, you can use Kernel Aduitor to disable cores and undervolting, it's free and it is quite comprehensive.
@shivaay1234 are you the guy who made that rapid os rom?
Ehsnf said:
@shivaay1234 are you the guy who made that rapid os rom?
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Yup.
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Yup.
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Oh cool. Bro, but why did you stop development of rapid os? I liked that ROM so much...
Divyeshj66 said:
Oh cool. Bro, but why did you stop development of rapid os? I liked that ROM so much...
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When Q sources become stable, I will release the Q version of the ROM.
I used to disable the big cores as well on a per-app basis. For light usage like listening to music or reading ebooks, downloading stuff in the background etc it used to yield tangible improvements in battery life. Also while charging to keep battery temp. in check. Now I have Tasker automate it all.
Funnily enough in Redmi Note 3 with only the little cores active device didn't feel much slower but in my Poco F1 whose little cores are much faster (higher IPC, 25% higher clock speeds) it would feel a little laggy with big cores disabled.
Its better to undervolt only the higher frequencies and leave alone/reduce only a little the lower ones as they are much closer to the threshold voltage and more likely to cause a forced reboot if undervolted too much.
@amn1987 Thanks for bumping this thread dude, i really needed to improve my SOT. Hopefully this will help.
PRemBh0i said:
@amn1987 Thanks for bumping this thread dude, i really needed to improve my SOT. Hopefully this will help.
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Bear in mind the performance degradation can be quite noticeable. Instead of completely disabling the big cores maybe experiment with clocking them lower at 1-1.2GHz where they are most efficient in terms of perf./W IIRC. At these low clocks they will still completely outperform the little cores due to nearly 80% higher performance per clock.
SHADOW Kernel by @energyspear17
Already have QUAD core and battery mode.
You can also UV while flashing
Which would result in better battery backup.
Anyways different peoples different choices.
Good works?