Custom ROM to latest stock? - Moto G5 Plus Questions & Answers

I have a US XT1687 on LineageOS (2017-09-19 build), and I would like to flash the latest stock firmware (which I believe is the April NPNS25.137-93-10 update), while also continuing to receive future OTA updates
The fastboot stock firmware thread was closed.
I found these files https://mirrors.lolinet.com/firmware/moto/potter/official/RETAIL/ but I don't see the 93-10 update.
Can I flash the 93-4 update from that site via fastboot and then get the 93-10 update via OTA?
Thanks!

I believe it depends on what bootloader version you were on before. If you were on 93-4 or earlier, then theoretically you should be fine. If you were on the 93-10 version of the bootloader and attempted to flash to the 93-4 stock rom, and then take an OTA from there, you are very likely going to hard-brick your device.
There are a lot of active threads about flashing back to stock and losing IMEI and enhanced LTE, so I wouldn't risk it. Out of curiosity why would you want to flash back to stock Nougat? IMO the camera is worse and you're rolling back to an older OS.

dunderball said:
I believe it depends on what bootloader version you were on before. If you were on 93-4 or earlier, then theoretically you should be fine. If you were on the 93-10 version of the bootloader and attempted to flash to the 93-4 stock rom, and then take an OTA from there, you are very likely going to hard-brick your device.
There are a lot of active threads about flashing back to stock and losing IMEI and enhanced LTE, so I wouldn't risk it. Out of curiosity why would you want to flash back to stock Nougat? IMO the camera is worse and you're rolling back to an older OS.
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I'm actually still on Nougat. The last time I flashed a new ROM was back in September (the LineageOS build I'm using is from 2017-09-19). So my bootloader is likely whatever the latest one was around that time.
From what I read, it seemed like people were losing their IMEI and VoLTE after flashing 8.1 custom ROMs, which I haven't done, so I figured I was safe. Maybe I'm misunderstanding?

Yousie642 said:
I'm actually still on Nougat. The last time I flashed a new ROM was back in September (the LineageOS build I'm using is from 2017-09-19). So my bootloader is likely whatever the latest one was around that time.
From what I read, it seemed like people were losing their IMEI and VoLTE after flashing 8.1 custom ROMs, which I haven't done, so I figured I was safe. Maybe I'm misunderstanding?
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Ah I wasn't aware that you were on a nougat version of LOS. I would still back up all partitions just in case.

dunderball said:
Ah I wasn't aware that you were on a nougat version of LOS. I would still back up all partitions just in case.
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Is that different from doing a NAND backup in TWRP?

Yousie642 said:
Is that different from doing a NAND backup in TWRP?
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Nope it's the same.

Yousie642 said:
I have a US XT1687 on LineageOS (2017-09-19 build), and I would like to flash the latest stock firmware (which I believe is the April NPNS25.137-93-10 update), while also continuing to receive future OTA updates
The fastboot stock firmware thread was closed.
I found these files https://mirrors.lolinet.com/firmware/moto/potter/official/RETAIL/ but I don't see the 93-10 update.
Can I flash the 93-4 update from that site via fastboot and then get the 93-10 update via OTA?
Thanks!
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Here's a mirror of the 93-10 firmware, it can be found in this thread.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16Bfp3nVfvKMURAeKagOaOImX-lvJrYBF/view?usp=drivesdk
The source is the Motorola secure cloud but not everyone was able to download it from there.
If you changed to a custom rom in September 2017 you should have been on August security patch which is the firmware NPNS25.137-33-11.
But you should be good to go with 93-10.
As written above make sure to have a full nandroid, especially of EFS.
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dunderball said:
Nope it's the same.
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Wolfcity said:
Here's a mirror of the 93-10 firmware, it can be found in this thread.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16Bfp3nVfvKMURAeKagOaOImX-lvJrYBF/view?usp=drivesdk
The source is the Motorola secure cloud but not everyone was able to download it from there.
If you changed to a custom rom in September 2017 you should have been on August security patch which is the firmware NPNS25.137-33-11.
But you should be good to go with 93-10.
As written above make sure to have a full nandroid, especially of EFS.
Sent from my Moto G5 Plus using XDA Labs
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Thanks dudes! I actually found my old adb folder and saw I had the files for NPN25.137-83 extracted there, so I'm pretty sure that's what I'm on. Seems like it still won't be an issue though.
What I am worried about now is losing VoLTE if I ever decide to go back to a custom ROM. Though, from what I understand, as long as I have an EFS backup, I can fix it. Is that right?

Yep you should be fine. I didn't have issues when going from stock to custom. Still -- I'd try out an Oreo rom before jumping back to stock.

dunderball said:
Yep you should be fine. I didn't have issues when going from stock to custom. Still -- I'd try out an Oreo rom before jumping back to stock.
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Y'know, it didn't actually occur to me, and this may be a silly question, but now I'm wondering if there's actually any need to run a stock firmware update before going to newer custom ROMs? The reason I ask is because this was a thing with my Nexus 5x. Newer LineageOS builds sometimes needed a bootloader and radio update.

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WARNING: Android 5.0 Bootloader and KitKat Compatibility

Android 5.0 (Lollipop) Bootloader and KitKat Compatibility​
Everyone wants Lollipop, however it is worth considering some of the possible consequences of upgrading via OTA update.​
Flashable zip of Android 5.0.2 'Soak Test' now available and boots with KitKat Bootloader: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g/development/rom-retail-brazil-lollipop-soak-test-t2998793
Downgrading to KitKat also possible even with Lollipop Bootloader.
Bootloader:
A new Bootloader (BL) will almost certainly be is included in the OTA update. It is also very likely no KitKat Kernel, stock or custom will be able to boot properly with the 5.0 BL. Perhaps the Kernel DEVs can find a workaround.
Root: (DONE)
It may take some time to gain root access on Lollipop as on other devices this has required a custom Kernel. A custom kernel itself may require kernel sources to be released - something that has taken weeks / months in the past.
Chainfire releases Android 5.0 Root for Moto G (2013) (All Models)
In addition; apps that use root access in KitKat, require further development to have functional root access in Lollipop.
Xposed Framework:
Developer has said he will wait for CyanogenMod based on Lollipop before properly starting development of an ART version of Xposed. CM12 may take a few weeks to release. Expect to do without Xposed for at least a month, probably longer since root is also required (see above.) Related: Alternatives to popular Xposed Modules
Custom Recovery:
This has not been an issue before, but it is always possible a new Bootloader could break compatibility with existing Custom Recoveries. Obviously, you would not be able to restore a CWM / TWRP backup without a functional custom recovery; but even then, it is unlikely you will [not] be able to boot your KitKat backup. CWM unaffected, TWRP not fully supported yet.
Custom ROMs:
This is another area that could be affected by a new Bootloader. It is unknown if existing custom ROMs will require new Kernels / system changes in order to work with the new BL - something that could take days, weeks or months. CyanogenMod 12 (Lollipop) for Moto G (Falcon) now available and does not appear to require a new BL.
Performance:
Currently the performance difference between KitKat and Lollipop is unknown. If the first release of Lollipop for Moto G has performance issues, you may be unable to revert back to stock KitKat.​Possible solution:
Wait for a flashable zip [NOT OTA Update zip] of Stock Moto G Lollipop ROM - this would mean your Bootloader remains at it's current version and potentially allowing you to change 'back and forth' between Stock KitKat and Stock Lollipop. However, it is currently unknown if the newer BL is a requirement for Android 5.0 Kernels. Flashable zip of Android 5.0.2 'Soak Test' now available and boots with KitKat Bootloader.
That is what I thought, since something like that happened because of the upgrade from JB to KK. Taking all of this into account, I'm not sure to upgrade immediately when the OTA comes out, maybe I'll try to still alive waiting for reviews from someone who dares to OTA right then.
You can be pretty sure it'll bring a bootloader update too because of all the fundamental changes lollipop brings in almost all areas of the OS. Major relase, as was gingerbread -> ICS.
It's pretty safe to say that once you upgrade, it won't be easy to downgrade, if at all possible... Many changes are in the security area and everything is getting tightened up a lot... Loads of tempting things we'll get in this upgrade, yes, but we'll have to give up much of what we're used to (in terms of rooting/etc), at least for a little while. I'll also wait until the dust settles a bit and it's clearer on where we stand with the upgrade once it gets released.
nice info
lost101 said:
Android 5.0 Bootloader and KitKat Compatibility​
Everyone wants Lollipop, however it is worth considering some of the possible consequences of upgrading via OTA update.
Bootloader:
A new Bootloader (BL) will almost certainly be included in the OTA update. It is also very likely no KitKat Kernel, stock or custom will be able to boot properly with the 5.0 BL. Perhaps the kernel DEVs can find a workaround.
Root:
It may take some time to gain root access on Lolipop as on other devices this has required a custom Kernel. A custom kernel itself may require kernel sources to be released - something that has taken weeks / months in the past.
Custom Recovery:
This has not been an issue before, but it is always possible a new Bootloader could break compatibility with existing Custom Recoveries.
Performance:
Currently the performance difference between KitKat and Lollipop is unknown. If the first release of Lollipop has performance issues on Moto G, you may be unable to revert back to stock KitKat.
Alternative solution:
Wait for a flashable zip of Stock Moto G Lollipop ROM - this would mean your Bootloader remains at it's current version and potentially allowing you to change between Stock KitKat and Stock Lollipop. However, it is currently unknown if the newer BL is a requirement for Android 5.0 Kernels.
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UUUUUUHHHHHHHH iam afraight. a little. who needs bootloaders. i dont.
juanchotazo99 said:
You can be pretty sure it'll bring a bootloader update too because of all the fundamental changes lollipop brings in almost all areas of the OS. Major relase, as was gingerbread -> ICS.
It's pretty safe to say that once you upgrade, it won't be easy to downgrade, if at all possible... Many changes are in the security area and everything is getting tightened up a lot... Loads of tempting things we'll get in this upgrade, yes, but we'll have to give up much of what we're used to (in terms of rooting/etc), at least for a little while. I'll also wait until the dust settles a bit and it's clearer on where we stand with the upgrade once it gets released.
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Will you be able to wait when you see that little notification saying there's a new system update awaiting you?? I'll eat my nails until then!
Can i still get the OTA update even though my bootloader is unlocked and rooted? (Kitkat 4.4.4.)
Drift0r said:
Can i still get the OTA update even though my bootloader is unlocked and rooted? (Kitkat 4.4.4.)
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I don't think so....
Drift0r said:
Can i still get the OTA update even though my bootloader is unlocked and rooted? (Kitkat 4.4.4.)
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Bootloader doesn't matter. Root doesn't matter. What does matter is the software on your phone that checks for OTA updates. As long as that is functioning; you will get the notification.
You can ignore the update notification and will not be forced to install it.
Drift0r said:
Can i still get the OTA update even though my bootloader is unlocked and rooted? (Kitkat 4.4.4.)
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The only real thing you need to install the OTA is stock recovery, doesnt matter bootloader or root, only stock recovery to install the OTA! :good:
As always, very informative thread @lost101.
lost101 said:
Bootloader doesn't matter. Root doesn't matter. What does matter is the software on your phone that checks for OTA updates. As long as that is functioning; you will get the notification.
You can ignore the update notification and will not be forced to install it.
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MarckozZ said:
The only real thing you need to install the OTA is stock recovery, doesnt matter bootloader or root, only stock recovery to install the OTA! :good:
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How do I know what recovery I am on? I entered recovery and it is like this http://i.gyazo.com/1c3fa4923e85db7042ad6e36b97a31cc.png then when I click recovery on that screen I am on CWM, does that mean I can't or can do it?
Also I am not using any roms or anything, just rooted it for Xposed.
Drift0r said:
How do I know what recovery I am on? I entered recovery and it is like this http://i.gyazo.com/1c3fa4923e85db7042ad6e36b97a31cc.png then when I click recovery on that screen I am on CWM, does that mean I can't or can do it?
Also I am not using any roms or anything, just rooted it for Xposed.
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You need stock recovery and rid of xposedand any modules
MarckozZ said:
The only real thing you need to install the OTA is stock recovery, doesnt matter bootloader or root, only stock recovery to install the OTA! :good:
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And another real thing is pure/stock system. Which means no system apps were deleted or frizzed no mods were installed through custom recovery no custom kernels no luckyputcher stuff. And I think you have to delete xposed framework (manually via xposed installer).
And a lot of users think that it's enough just to flash back stock recovery and install ota. But then they are just wondering why is it can not install. So, untouched system block is mandatory for applying ota as well as stock recovery.
Root, unlocked bootloader and custom boot logo are things you could keep.
Is stock recovery and stock firmware same? If not how do i get stock recovery back?
S0bes said:
And another real thing is pure/stock system. Which means no system apps were deleted or frizzed no mods were installed through custom recovery no custom kernels no luckyputcher stuff. And I think you have to delete xposed framework (manually via xposed installer).
And a lot of users think that it's enough just to flash back stock recovery and install ota. But then they are just wondering why is it can not install. So, untouched system block is mandatory for applying ota as well as stock recovery.
Root, unlocked bootloader and custom boot logo are things you could keep.
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How about if you are using Adaway?
I know this will change something to the file hosts.
Do you need to get this original hosts file as well?
Drift0r said:
How do I know what recovery I am on? I entered recovery and it is like this http://i.gyazo.com/1c3fa4923e85db7042ad6e36b97a31cc.png then when I click recovery on that screen I am on CWM, does that mean I can't or can do it?
Also I am not using any roms or anything, just rooted it for Xposed.
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I'd reccomend to you this: when the OTA comes up, restore stock 4.4.2 firmware, then OTA to 4.4.4 and then to 5.0... Or if you find a 4.4.4 firmware just flash it and then OTA to 5.0... But the best you could do is to install the Lollipop OTA in a fresh new installed system.
S0bes said:
And another real thing is pure/stock system. Which means no system apps were deleted or frizzed no mods were installed through custom recovery no custom kernels no luckyputcher stuff. And I think you have to delete xposed framework (manually via xposed installer).
And a lot of users think that it's enough just to flash back stock recovery and install ota. But then they are just wondering why is it can not install. So, untouched system block is mandatory for applying ota as well as stock recovery.
Root, unlocked bootloader and custom boot logo are things you could keep.
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Yes, maybe the best thing is to backup everything and restore all things to stock... then OTA to Lollipop... :good:
MarckozZ said:
I'd reccomend to you this: when the OTA comes up, restore stock 4.4.2 firmware, then OTA to 4.4.4 and then to 5.0... Or if you find a 4.4.4 firmware just flash it and then OTA to 5.0... But the best you could do is to install the Lollipop OTA in a fresh new installed system.
Yes, maybe the best thing is to backup everything and restore all things to stock... then OTA to Lollipop... :good:
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Almost always it is enough to flash only system img files without erasing userdara. It should rewrite system block so it becames stock
MarckozZ said:
I'd reccomend to you this: when the OTA comes up, restore stock 4.4.2 firmware, then OTA to 4.4.4 and then to 5.0... Or if you find a 4.4.4 firmware just flash it and then OTA to 5.0... But the best you could do is to install the Lollipop OTA in a fresh new installed system.
Yes, maybe the best thing is to backup everything and restore all things to stock... then OTA to Lollipop... :good:
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How do I restore it to 4.4.3? Im currently downloading this file to flash via mfastboot RET-EU-SS_4.4.3_KXB21.14-L1.31_cid7_CFC_1FF.xml.zip from this guide. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2542219 would this work?
my phone moto g 4g lte - xt1039
Drift0r said:
How do I restore it to 4.4.3? Im currently downloading this file to flash via mfastboot RET-EU-SS_4.4.3_KXB21.14-L1.31_cid7_CFC_1FF.xml.zip from this guide. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2542219 would this work?
my phone moto g 4g lte - xt1039
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You can try the guide I've done with some help from other users here at XDA...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g/general/guide-restore-moto-firmware-gpe-t2914884

XT1052 [Retail.en.DE] OTA

Just wanted to let you guys know that the 5.1 OTA is rolling out as we speak. My girl's got a German Moto X, and received the OTA today!
She's now on 222.21.15.ghost_row.Retail.en.DE. The build number is LPA23.12-15.
And here I am waiting for it with my Dutch Retail.en.EU version..
tommert38 said:
Just wanted to let you guys know that the 5.1 OTA is rolling out as we speak. My girl's got a German Moto X, and received the OTA today!
She's now on 222.21.15.ghost_row.Retail.en.DE. The build number is LPA23.12-15.
And here I am waiting for it with my Dutch Retail.en.EU version..
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Can you look to list of languages? Has this OTA Ukrainian language (Українська)?
Unfortunately it doesn't include Ukrainian localization.
Anyone knows where to get this Ota in a rsd lite flashable form?
When we got OTA zip file, then we do RSD one )
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tommert38 said:
She's now on 222.21.15.ghost_row.Retail.en.DE. The build number is LPA23.12-15
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Any possibility to get OTA zip?
johnrangoo said:
Anyone knows where to get this Ota in a rsd lite flashable form?
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you can't flash the OTA via RSDLite.
Someone could try updating via Motorola Device Manager on their PC, and see if an FXZ/SBF comes down that can be captured.
Or if someone who is rooted can download, but not apply the OTA, they can grab the OTA ZIP file from their /cache folder... then you could follow the Side Load instructions from -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/ref-return-to-stock-recovery-rooted-t3027079
That being said.. if this is a SOAK being performed, it shouldn't be long until it starts being pushed to all users of that model. Of course it will come in waves, so once the official push to that model comes, it may take up to a week until it hits all phones.
And anyone who takes part in the MFN tests would be violating the NDA they signed to take part, if they leak the file. Moto got the links to prior leaks removed, so it stands to reason they might do the same for other leaks.
KidJoe said:
you can't flash the OTA via RSDLite.
Someone could try updating via Motorola Device Manager on their PC, and see if an FXZ/SBF comes down that can be captured.
Or if someone who is rooted can download, but not apply the OTA, they can grab the OTA ZIP file from their /cache folder... then you could follow the Side Load instructions from -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/ref-return-to-stock-recovery-rooted-t3027079
That being said.. if this is a SOAK being performed, it shouldn't be long until it starts being pushed to all users of that model. Of course it will come in waves, so once the official push to that model comes, it may take up to a week until it hits all phones.
And anyone who takes part in the MFN tests would be violating the NDA they signed to take part, if they leak the file. Moto got the links to prior leaks removed, so it stands to reason they might do the same for other leaks.
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You should flash full FW by RSD, not OTA.
md07 said:
You should flash full FW by RSD, not OTA.
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Which is what I said...
I think maybe you should have quoted @johnrangoo who asked the question...
KidJoe said:
Which is what I said...
I think maybe you should have quoted @johnrangoo who asked the question...
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I stay tuned.. because I have a German Retail Moto X.. the ota zip is flashable via stock recovery.. right?
I have a question.. there is a safe way to downgrade to stock kitkat (just in case)?
bart.found said:
I stay tuned.. because I have a German Retail Moto X.. the ota zip is flashable via stock recovery.. right?
I have a question.. there is a safe way to downgrade to stock kitkat (just in case)?
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Yes, the OTA zip must be flashed from Stock Recovery. And there are also some other conditions. See -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/faq-how-to-prepare-ota-update-carriers-t3126425
As for downgrade... It is always suggested to never downgrade. If you downgrade, you risk bricking. see -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/info-warning-risks-downgrading-impacts-t3058202
KidJoe said:
Yes, the OTA zip must be flashed from Stock Recovery. And there are also some other conditions. See -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/faq-how-to-prepare-ota-update-carriers-t3126425
As for downgrade... It is always suggested to never downgrade. If you downgrade, you risk bricking. see -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/info-warning-risks-downgrading-impacts-t3058202
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OMG it's a huge amount of informations!! If I understood, even if I have a retail version with unlockable bootloader, it is impossible to revert to a stock old version without the risk of a (hard)brick!!! :S
Does exist, at least, a stock rom flashable through custom recovery on newer bootloader versions? Or, alternatively, custom ROMs that are able to properly use the particular hardware of this device (without losing all its smart features?)
Thanks for the reply... I'll read it more carefully later
bart.found said:
...If I understood, even if I have a retail version with unlockable bootloader, it is impossible to revert to a stock old version without the risk of a (hard)brick!!! :S
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Correct.
bart.found said:
Does exist, at least, a stock rom flashable through custom recovery on newer bootloader versions? Or, alternatively, custom ROMs that are able to properly use the particular hardware of this device (without losing all its smart features?)
Thanks for the reply... I'll read it more carefully later
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As of yet, for Lollipop. No. What exists are "backups" of LEAKED test versions of Lollipop for other models and carriers. (Brazil XT1058 for example)
When the OTA finally pushes, you'll need to be stock, and on stock recovery to apply it.. OR wait for someone to create something like a "backup" which you can restore in TWRP, or a custom rom version BASED on the stock rom.
Keep in mind, that unless you apply the stock OTA which is pushed by your carrier/motorola, you might miss parts that get updated. In other words, the TWRP BACKUPS of the leaked test versions only include the /System partition. It does not include the partition table file, the bootloader, the modems, etc. and the other parts that are updated by the OTA.
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Correct.
As of yet, for Lollipop. No. What exists are "backups" of LEAKED test versions of Lollipop for other models and carriers. (Brazil XT1058 for example)
When the OTA finally pushes, you'll need to be stock, and on stock recovery to apply it.. OR wait for someone to create something like a "backup" which you can restore in TWRP, or a custom rom version BASED on the stock rom.
Keep in mind, that unless you apply the stock OTA which is pushed by your carrier/motorola, you might miss parts that get updated. In other words, the TWRP BACKUPS of the leaked test versions only include the /System partition. It does not include the partition table file, the bootloader, the modems, etc. and the other parts that are updated by the OTA.
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My phone is stock unrooted with locked bootloader in this moment.. I think I'll wait for OTA or, at most, sideload the correct OTA for my model and flash it through stock recovery.
My question was if exist a stock KitKat firmware flashable through custom recovery over Lollipop bootloader!! Just in case I'd like to revert without losing any feature!
Thank you!
bart.found said:
My phone is stock unrooted with locked bootloader in this moment.. I think I'll wait for OTA or, at most, sideload the correct OTA for my model and flash it through stock recovery.
My question was if exist a stock KitKat firmware flashable through custom recovery over Lollipop bootloader!! Just in case I'd like to revert without losing any feature!
Thank you!
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Why take OTA if you can just install a TWRP-backup of Lollipop... only then u can downgrade without the risk of bricking your device.
bart.found said:
My phone is stock unrooted with locked bootloader in this moment.. I think I'll wait for OTA or, at most, sideload the correct OTA for my model and flash it through stock recovery.
My question was if exist a stock KitKat firmware flashable through custom recovery over Lollipop bootloader!! Just in case I'd like to revert without losing any feature!
Thank you!
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If you are LOCKED BOOTLOADER, you can't run a custom recovery on the 2013 X. So that question is No, you can't.
And as for downgrading, Please DO NOT!! Instead, Read that entire thread, trust me, it explains why I say that.
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If you are LOCKED BOOTLOADER, you can't run a custom recovery on the 2013 X. So that question is No, you can't.
And as for downgrading, Please DO NOT!! Instead, Read that entire thread, trust me, it explains why I say that.
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I finally read everything!!!
What I understand:
1) NEVER downgrade your bootloader or your stock firmware! If you don't want to brick immediately or later XD
What I didn't understand:
1) I have a German retail moto x xt1052.. can I unlock my bootloader, root and flash custom recovery/firmware? I suppose yes, even if my device isn't listed on motorola official page (can I use sunshine or other methods?)
2) Does any custom ROM, able to use all moto x features like touchless control or lift to wake etc, exist? Because I noticed that most custom ROMs aren't able to use that features (probably due to the lack of binaries), at least on lollipop.. I don't know if CM11 or slimkat or other AOSP based or stock based rom can properly use that damn X8 processor!
Thank you.. and sorry for bothering you so much, but I don't really want to damage my device!!!
bart.found said:
I finally read everything!!!
What I understand:
1) NEVER downgrade your bootloader or your stock firmware! If you don't want to brick immediately or later XD
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Correct.
bart.found said:
What I didn't understand:
1) I have a German retail moto x xt1052.. can I unlock my bootloader, root and flash custom recovery/firmware? I suppose yes, even if my device isn't listed on motorola official page (can I use sunshine or other methods?)
2) Does any custom ROM, able to use all moto x features like touchless control or lift to wake etc, exist? Because I noticed that most custom ROMs aren't able to use that features (probably due to the lack of binaries), at least on lollipop.. I don't know if CM11 or slimkat or other AOSP based or stock based rom can properly use that damn X8 processor!
Thank you.. and sorry for bothering you so much, but I don't really want to damage my device!!!
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1. The XT1052 could get its bootloader unlock code direct from Moto. After unlocking the bootloader you can flash customer recovery, root, and/or flash a 3rd party custom rom.
2. Any custom rom built on TOP of Moto's stock rom, could still retain those stock moto features. AOSP based roms, CM11/12 based roms, etc. will not include the stock moto features. However they may include 3rd party apps which mimic those features, but might not work as well.
Does 5.1 include hebrew language support as in 4.4.4?
amarguli said:
Does 5.1 include hebrew language support as in 4.4.4?
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If the stock Moto rom for your carrier/model X includes it, then yes, 5.1 update should include it as well.
I want to have 4.4.4 back instead of the ota given 5.1 update. Is there a nearly unmodified xt1052 stock 4.4.4 flashable with trwp?

How Do I Achieve Security Patches OTA and Root

I simply need to have:
1- Stock, rooted Android (I use Xposed Framework for customization)
2- Security Patches without having to flash system.img and reroot every month. (i.e. Flashable zip or even by flashing the latest version of a ROM)
The solution needs to be either automated or even involving custom ROM but it needs to be as near-stock as possible (so I can use Xposed).
Any ideas?
PS. I'm already rooted and unlocked. I just need to take the new update without redoing everything every month or so.
Can't happen. Cannot flash OTA without Stock Unrooted Image, and stock recovery.
dratsablive said:
Can't happen. Cannot flash OTA without Stock Unrooted Image, and stock recovery.
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I already know that. Hence, I post on XDA for solutions.
"The solution needs to be either automated or even involving near-stock custom ROM"
I need the expertise of XDA members to simplify the process for me, and I'm sure, thousands of others as well.
There aren't any custom ROMS available that provide their own OTAs for the Nexus 6P. Only thing similar is VipreRom for the HTC series.
dratsablive said:
There aren't any custom ROMS available that provide their own OTAs for the Nexus 6P. Only thing similar is VipreRom for the HTC series.
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It doesn't have to be OTA. I just need to be able to install the security patches in an easy way, either by flashing the latest update of a ROM, or simply by flashing a zip that contains the latest security patches. I can live with that every month, it's no biggy.
CipherSec said:
It doesn't have to be OTA. I just need to be able to install the security patches in an easy way, either by flashing the latest update of a ROM, or simply by flashing a zip that contains the latest security patches. I can live with that every month, it's no biggy.
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Cannot be accomplished without reverting to stock and no root.

OTA update when rooted

My phone is unlocked and rooted. It wants to download the OTA but I know that Motorola says on their site you will have problems with the OTA. Should I download it or Should I flash a ROM.
mongoose96 said:
My phone is unlocked and rooted. It wants to download the OTA but I know that Motorola says on their site you will have problems with the OTA. Should I download it or Should I flash a ROM.
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You must be PURE stock to take an OTA update, or it will fail and bootloop... Flash a rom if you wish.
What i did was make a back up of everything just incase and then look up the ota version on your phone and get it in the rom section and look up twrp flashable OTAs and just flash it. you might lose root but its easy to get back if you flash magisk again.
You can found the right guide here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/g5-plus/how-to/guide-complex-ota-update-magisk-rooted-t3688175
does anyone have fastboot stock rom?
siddhesh9146 said:
does anyone have fastboot stock rom?
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Of the current version? lol, no, we wish... we are averaging 3-6 months behind OTA releases for full ROM images, if we get them at all. Moto does not officially provide them, so they have to be leaked somehow, and sources are completely dried up yet, but it's getting there. :/
Hi. Can I get Oreo Ota for mi xt1670 with rooted device but locked BL? I'm on stock everything. Thanks.
mortadelax said:
Hi. Can I get Oreo Ota for mi xt1670 with rooted device but locked BL? I'm on stock everything. Thanks.
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You can't be rooted with a locked bootloader so your question is obsolete.
You can apply to OTA with an unlocked bootloader.
You can't if you're rooted or changed anything else in /system or /vendor.
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Wolfcity said:
You can't be rooted with a locked bootloader so your question is obsolete.
You can apply to OTA with an unlocked bootloader.
You can't if you're rooted or changed anything else in /system or /vendor.
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Thanks for the reply. Very clear! Please I need more help. The thing is...I don't want the oreo ota right now. This is my mother's phone so I don't want any problem. Nougat is just fine for now. So I need to stop the upgrade notification spam. I believe I must unlock BL, then root, then freeze the upgrader app. Is that correct? I can't force stop the app. That's for now.
I've read bad reviews about oreo battery drain and other stuff. That's why I'm trying to avoid it.
If someday I want it, maybe will install some rom.
Thanks bro.
EDIT. Does this make sense? Or should I stay stock everything and take the ota/ignore the spam everyday?
EDIT 2. Another question. What happen if I take the oreo ota, and i don't like it. Can I unlock BL, root, install some nougat rom, as a pseudo downgrade?
mortadelax said:
Thanks for the reply. Very clear! Please I need more help. The thing is...I don't want the oreo ota right now. This is my mother's phone so I don't want any problem. Nougat is just fine for now. So I need to stop the upgrade notification spam. I believe I must unlock BL, then root, then freeze the upgrader app. Is that correct? I can't force stop the app. That's for now.
I've read bad reviews about oreo battery drain and other stuff. That's why I'm trying to avoid it.
If someday I want it, maybe will install some rom.
Thanks bro.
EDIT. Does this make sense? Or should I stay stock everything and take the ota/ignore the spam everyday?
EDIT 2. Another question. What happen if I take the oreo ota, and i don't like it. Can I unlock BL, root, install some nougat rom, as a pseudo downgrade?
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Oreo ist absolutely fine, no problems with it.
I haven't heard of any issues like increased battery drain, for me nothing changed at all regarding battery and the rest is also working flawlessly.
It would be a lot of action to unlock and root the device just to stop the updater service.
If you don't have any other plans that need root privileges I recommend just taking the OTA (s).
If you want to run another ROM later you can always unlock the bootloader, install TWRP, root the device and install any kind of custom ROM, Nougat, Oreo or Pie. There are also TWRP flashable stock firmwares which make it easy to move between different stock versions.
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Wolfcity said:
If you want to run another ROM later you can always unlock the bootloader, install TWRP, root the device and install any kind of custom ROM, Nougat, Oreo or Pie. There are also TWRP flashable stock firmwares which make it easy to move between different stock versions.
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That's good. A pseudo downgrade is possible. Thanks man. I'll think about it. And yes, the root privileges is just for stopping the updater.
Cheers
EDIT. Man, are you sure about this? Taking the Oreo Ota, and in the future unlock BL, root and install whatever rom?
mortadelax said:
That's good. A pseudo downgrade is possible. Thanks man. I'll think about it. And yes, the root privileges is just for stopping the updater.
Cheers
EDIT. Man, are you sure about this? Taking the Oreo Ota, and in the future unlock BL, root and install whatever rom?
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Yes I am.
Just check some of the custom ROM threads, there are some that need stock Nougat as base but the most of them need Oreo. For custom ROMs there are no up/downgrading problems, that's only the case for stock firmwares.
And as said above, there are TWRP flashable stock builds that doesn't have these problems too and will bring you to whatever stock firmware you want, not just pseudo. (Here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/g5...o-twrp-flashable-stock-builds-coming-t3830482 )
So if you're on stock Oreo after unlocking the bootloader and flashing TWRP all options are open for you. Just don't forget to make a full nandroid backup incl. EFS and persist before you flash anything.
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What happens to root/TWRP when you upgrade a rooted LG H91810j to H91810k or H91810p?

Has anyone tried upgrading a rooted LG H91810j to H91810p? Did you still have root afterward? What about TWRP? I am concerned about losing root and losing the ability to roll back because of their "anti-rollback" mechanism in 10p.
Optional back story, for the curious:
I bought a refurbished LG V20 that was running software version H91810k out of the box. I immediately tried to root it with dirtycow, but dirtycow does not work on 10k. So I downgraded to 10j from 10k using LGUP, and then successfully rooted the phone with dirtycow. I then installed TWRP and then LineageOS.
Unfortunately, I just don't feel like LineageOS is where it needs to be for me on the V20. I lost a number of features, such as (1) the second display, (2) ability to use BOTH cameras on the rear, (3) quad hi-fi DAC for superior audio, (4) automatic wake/sleep when opening and closing my phone case, (5) encryption (!!!!).
I feel like there are just to many things missing, so I think I want to go back to the stock ROM, but I would like to stay rooted so I can at least get rid of the bloatware. Is this possible or am I going to lose root and TWRP via one of LG's updates?
You can keep root on stock rom but flash one thats 10k if you flash one that's 10p and you wouldn't be able to back to anything pass
10p. Weta has a 10k version look in there thread for details and instructions
ki11aprime said:
You can keep root on stock rom but flash one thats 10k if you flash one that's 10p and you wouldn't be able to back to anything pass
10p. Weta has a 10k version look in there thread for details and instructions
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I understand not being able to rollback/downgrade after hitting 10p, but let's just say I decided to upgrade to 10p+ anyway. Would I still have root and twrp?
fronzee88 said:
I understand not being able to rollback/downgrade after hitting 10p, but let's just say I decided to upgrade to 10p+ anyway. Would I still have root and twrp?
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Yea once you're rooted and flash a custom rom I'm on alpha rom
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Yea once you're rooted and flash a custom rom I'm on alpha rom
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Right, but I'm talking about being rooted without a custom ROM, i.e. running the stock ROM while rooted and having TWRP. Can I upgrade to 10p and beyond, and at least keep root/twrp, even if I can't roll back or install anything else?
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Right, but I'm talking about being rooted without a custom ROM, i.e. running the stock ROM while rooted and having TWRP. Can I upgrade to 10p and beyond, and at least keep root/twrp, even if I can't roll back or install anything else?
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What firmware are you no right now
1)Get 10i root it install twrp
2) there's a flashable 10r somewhere don't have the link right now put download and flash via twrp 10r is the newest update I believe.
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What firmware are you no right now
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Technically I'm running LineageOS (14.1-20171226-NIGHTLY-h918) but I want to go back to stock rom WITH root/twrp, because I lost a lot of features like second display, dual-rear-camera, quad hi-fi DAC, encryption (etc). I just don't think LineageOS is ready for this particular phone, for me. I am planning to revert to stock rom H91810j (re-root if necessary) and then upgrade to the latest stock rom, if I won't lose root that is.
ki11aprime said:
What firmware are you no right now
1)Get 10i root it install twrp
2) there's a flashable 10r somewhere don't have the link right now put download and flash via twrp 10r is the newest update I believe.
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Just saw your edit. So it sounds like the best way to upgrade is to flash it via TWRP rather than install it via the OTA updates? Can you (or anyone else) confirm it stays rooted when done this way?
fronzee88 said:
Just saw your edit. So it sounds like the best way to upgrade is to flash it via TWRP rather than install it via the OTA updates? Can you (or anyone else) confirm it stays rooted when done this way?
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Yes update via twrp, you keep root
You upgrade past 10k and you lose the ability to ever root your phone again in case you screw up and have to flash a KDZ.
Your choice.....
-- Brian
I have been rocking 10k just fine. There is support for a custom stock kernel. Personally, upgrading to 10r is not worth the risk, especially since there is nothing really new besides sercurity patches.
Well, I ended up flashing H91810r as per this thread and I am happy to confirm I still have root. Just thought I would post this for anyone wondering the same thing. Now I just have to remember to only update by flashing via TWRP, moving forward.
Pretty much just like everyone else here has said, always update via twrp. Never take the ota update when you're rooted. And didnt you make a backup? Why not just flash back to your original stock rooted room?
You mean we can flash Oreo 8.0 kdz and still have root intact?
lamepsycho said:
You mean wecan flash Oreo 8.0 kdz and still have root intact?
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Read the posts, NO. Flash a zip from a thread for your variant that's labeled as twrp flashable.

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