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Let me start be saying would to thank this forum for existing but some **** is just stupid.
Schapps has been the closest to making VOIP work and stay up
I believe the code just released the client just released is open I don’t believe he's done yet
I can make the broken client work but that’s easy if you take the client set up screen and place it in front you next to the installation directions of a third party vendor(I am assuming my friend Mr Bullin know s what hat means)
On a thread below I left few parts out, due to the fact that their is a US based company offering free software that they copyrighted. I don’t understand how one can assume the power of free open sourced client.
Here’s my answer on only gates would close a forum he would pay then lie.
Copyrighting a client that I believe I said works. Ok tell me how genius how dopes it work I am confused what makes it work what are the main factors should not be hard to find
Current Released Version 2.0.1 feedback
can not hear does not work well and say reg on when off very confusing explain
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299950&page=76
part 2
I did how ever fix or should I just used it as a starting point to connect.
The first 6 ROM I used was from Mfrazz very nice rom
XDA Mobile 6
It had the sip protocol tool that is now copyright worthy
I would be lying if I said it was not a ****y tool, but very simple.
So it was easy to cross reference the fields when I held it up next to a soft phone that’s is licensed ( another piece of paper that has the year and a federal stamp on it)
So the whole point is no one has actually presented a client that works like a normal piece of software and is plug_and_play per say.
Out of respect for his ability and determination I have been watching the intense process that schapps has put in and I’m sure he has a full blown solution behind it.
Now here is for the jerk offs you know guys who are quick to open that mouth. Not that my typing doesn’t piss you off apologize, but for the real idiots the talented the individuals that make one move and they know everything.
VOIP is fun the idea of free telecom fills a hacks cup and a businessman cup.
But the term it is not your friend means that there are so many variables in a conection that from a programmers stand point the equation seems to drive them deep down the rabbit whole.
Well never read manual but I do know one thing it wouldn’t be put on the front of the TODAY screen if it was rocket sience.
The fact is it its quite simple all the phone needs is an IP address then it can be a voip phone.
Well last I checked one big telco company called cellular one and another company called Panasonic teamed up with this other company Motorola and Nextel( a phone company) as we know it was formed. Well Nextel is based off of Static IP’s the concept is not new.
I was up all night working on my client and now its done here
Mind v.l1
http://support.t-mobile.com/knowbase/root/public/tm51424.htm?
Please by al means do what you do best and somebody and bring that client back to the board cause I probably will not be attending anymore of the open board sessions. Its bad enough to type but to have to here a *****es opinion about me and not flex is not easy.
part 3
I was taught one thing don't ever have an ego and be able to do it your self. That’s I got nothing crazy to say to any the confused individuals that seem to have a very passionate deep opinions.
Being able to make things is talent and 1000 revolutionary features on a state of the art phone system that no will ever use, because the beautiful minds that made it decided they would use their ideas for the end user environment is worthless.
100% of a broken client is worthless.
Helmi said something very important, taking credit for another mans work is weak, I fell the same way just like certain countries are weak.
Gates never shows his face i understand i wouldn’t either.
Logic is cool but until you make million clean or can answer this question how much cash can you fit in a standard carry on briefcase? Don’t be so quick to fire that virgin mouth cause in the real world guess they don’t give **** so appreciate my feed back I can tolerate personality
voip
What the client on the phone is for the INTRANET
( Again this the network ( a group of computers connected to work as one) inside of a infrastructure and behind a router fire wall t1) MR BULLIN
I was saying that I was surprised that it was not pre exposed but then I remember the fact that it always misfires and a telecoms nightmare cause no body physically put it into play.
(referring to a live call center with 30-100 tsr’s on the phone generating $15-$30k a day)
Can you imagine the importance of redundancy and the fact that big companies can’t afford to ever be down. So voip came and went some companies got desperate and are still trying to push a switches and charge $40k. The main Problem is support companies want the easy way out that’s why we are here.
Why doesn’t the iphone doesn’t have voip, but yet mac’s client is one of the best on the market. Cause jobs will not release anything half which means No body could see voip is very efficient very easy to use and the best way to go if you are building some thing from scratch. JUst like Americas cellular data service is free
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=288844
We all have bring something to the table and just cause I cant type doesn’t mean that I cant kick a door down or 20 but this not my forum as matter fact I keep getting demoted. But I can’t complain cause its still my home and I there is one thing about the mind. If you want an answer ask. When I see some one make a wrong move I never knock it he tried or he is trying that makes 3% which is what controls the worlds wealth.
But having a “I am the **** website poll” and a fan club now that’s cute.
If you want to talk data networking and voip or how to disassemble a mda in less then 15 minutes. I am available and over qualified.
I fear if I speak anymore I might start say bullin and the moderator will demote me to a symbol like prince.
When in doubt and all else fails just look at it and the answer is usually right in front of you.
If I don’t get back to another special request it is due to the fact that I have quite a few employees to worry about.
XDA ROCKS and your better go hands than going mind trust me you want none.
I can translate aboutthemind:
He's stating that the WM6 VoIP client is full of bugs but the allure of "free" calling over VoIP has appeal to both hackers and businesses alike so we keep banging away at it. So far, he feels that Schaps is the closest to having a "functioning" native WM6 client (mine works better IMHO ).
He also stated that M$ "supposedly" released this but the WM6 platform has seen no "official" Internet calling application since none of the Operators have decided to pick up on it (due to apparent revenue issues). m$ (Gates) has been silent on the availability since the initial betas. So his point is this:
Is Internet calling even a release level feature of the WM6 ROM? Perhaps not. Perhaps we should instead be devoting our energies to other more proven technologies and building them in to our ROMs.
aboutthemind is far from an idiot; he merely communicates differently.
edit (I have to read posts many times to extract all intellectual content):
abouthtemind also states that the Internet calling app was designed for INTRANET only and believes its IP address/NAT related that causes the issues we experience trying to use it over 3G.
I personally disagree with this because my TyTN works fine with my asterisk server over 3G. What's different about my connection? Very high speed (Business class RoadRunner) server access along with very high speed phone access (AT&T pda connect plan). I use DHCP at my 3G connection and my asterisk server is configured for NAT at both ends. Using G.711, I experience millisecond drops (audio is occasionally choppy) but have both-way audio. I'm also not getting ring-back (can't hear ringing tone on my TyTN while the remote end is ringing) but I believe this is an asterisk configuration problem.
I therefore believe Internet Calling audio issues are codec related and that the one way issue is caused by congestion at our phone's virtual network card. G.711 is all that is support out of the box and, as such, does no compression. This is one of the reasons why INTRANET connections work: more bandwidth at the phone. G.729 is held out as the "holy grail" solution here, but my research indicates that current phone processors my not have enough power to use G.729. I could be wrong here in that a native processor version could exist, but I'm concentrating on GSM610 instead because there is a good compression ratio, and the codec is already optimized for the ARM V4I instruction set (which itself is pseudo-code of course).
@aboutthemind: I remain committed to solving the codec issue for the reasons above. I too want to produce an out-of-the-box solution & will release a new ROM with my fixes if I do. I say "if" not "when" because understanding codec code itself is rocket science... in the examples they actually invoke assembler to do some math processes because the C compiler optimizations aren't quite fast enough . Besides this, I'm not fully convinced that the WM6 RTC layer is fully ACM codec compliant. There may be an issue at compress/decompress time which only works with G.711 because G.711 does no compression.
Finally, why spend all this energy on WM6 Internet Calling instead of simply cooking in a more proven solution? Here:
Solution must have tight phone integration: press the green button and call or receive call
Solution must have tight contact integration
Solution must use phone earpiece not speaker and have good volume
Solution must transfer over bluetooth to car handsfree
Right now, Internet Calling, while not there for sure, actually comes closest and therefore holds the promise of working with all of the above. I believe that fixing the codec will solve points one and two. Hardware itself causes issue 3 and may only be solvable by changing phone hardware. IMO, a quick tweak should solve issue 4 and I will start working on that when I get a reliable GSM610 codec working.
Hi Sleuth,
I have to admit that I never had enough patients to read posts of aboutthemind.
However I agree with most of conclusions you have drown here. Both from aboutthemind posts and your own.
1. Idea to have VoIP client inbuilt and closely integrated with the device system is very appreciated.
2. The client, however should work with the system as you have described. It means that it should actually take over the control of the system and use the peripherals of the device together with the native phone application.
It would be great if we could make the RTC client work properly, but I am afraid, it is very difficult if possible at this stage of the RTC development.
That is way maybe starting a new project could be better solution.
This was about generals, now to back to RTC.
I am not exactly sure if the g711 codec is not capable to work properly both in WiFi and 3G/HSDPA environment. Also I believe, G729 implementation in our mobiles can be done.
I am plaing with VoIP for long time already. Talking about mobile devices, I used to have old HP with PCMCIA WiFi card installed and SJPhone working on it. It was pretty good solution for that time. Later I used Asus PDA with WiFi on board, but without phone option. I used there SJPhone and X-Pro from Counterpath. The last one was commercial product with g729 implemented. And it worked. The processor was Intel 520 MHz. This shows that it could be done. Unfortunately Counterpath has withdrawn this product from the market.
Ok. These were early implementation. There was no integration with the system, it was aimed to PPC with WiFi only and so on.
Now We have WM6 on devices with UMTS/HSDPA on board and I am sure, sooner or later VoIP will be integrated with the system.
At the moment I am usually using Ageet phone, which works perfectly, both on WiFi and 3G, specially with HSDPA. It does not have G729, but it uses GSM, G711, ILBC and Speex, I believe. The only problem with this soft is, that it is not integrated with Phone applet in the WM6. This makes impossible to place calls directly from your contact list. It can import the contact list, but then it does not recognize all does phone number formats, so you need to have them in format, which is accepted by your voip provider. There is also obvious problem with audio redirection to bluetooth headset and receiving a call using green button or headset button.
By the way, I have tested Ageet phone as well as some other commercial phones with many different VoIP providers and environments including my own commercial VoIP network based on PortaOne Switch. All those apps work perfectly with all possible networks.
This can not be said about RTC client. It works with some servers (asterix, FWD in eg.) but does not work with others (PortaOne servers in eg.).
So if we decide to work on RTC, then we should take in mind that there is not only a problem with one way audio in some configurations, but also that this client does not fully complies to SIP protocol and because of that it is cut of from servers like PortaOne, while trying to initiate the call. I have described the problem in my post in your (Shaun's) thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1241766&postcount=561.
On the other hand Age company is also marketing its SDK. It seems to me that this SDK is really very good, both for PC and PPC environment. The footprint of both versions of their applications is very small . You can see it specially in WM6 if you observe how little memory it takes. Unfortunately the SDK is a commercial product, but they can provide it with G729 included. The question is how to deal with such a project if it would be based on this SDK?
This are only my thoughts. If somebody is interested in taking those thoughts further on, I am open for cooperation.
We shouldn't condemn this guy out of hand. I am not sure whether English is his mother tongue/first language. If it is not then he should post up in his own language and then someone can translate.
From the Sleuth's post it seems that aboutthemind is making some very valid points; its just that the way he puts it is not that easy to decipher.
WB
Here's some bad news that confirms aboutthemind's suppositions:
I've been playing with a compilable GSM610 codec which I can insert into my Hermes WM6 RTC stack, and its looking more and more like a buggy rtcdll that's the core issue. The RTC has 3 built-in codecs. Two are known to work: g.711 alaw & ulaw. The other, g.722.1 (also called "Siren"), is a floating point codec which I haven't enabled.
Plugin ACM codecs such as gsm610.acm appear to be correctly supported from a registry standpoint. The RTC uses the "Dll" value to find the correct acm codec, and uses WaveForm parameters to negotiate. These all appear to work as advertised.
However, while my code is getting normal ACM calls and correctly encoding information using the GSM codec, the other end only hears garbled sounds. Likewise, I'm not getting any input to the decode logic and my earpiece is dead.
This could still be a huge pointer translation issue causing the output buffer to be incorrectly addressed but that is looking more and more unlikely.
It would appear that RTC 1.5.5374 isn't fully ready for prime time from a plugin codec perspective. I'm now looking more closely at rtcdll.dll....
ITMT, g.711 alaw appears to work best over 3G. If you are using asterisk or TrixBox, you can limit your mobile extension's codec negotiation to only use alaw as follows:
disallow=all
allow=alaw
Gentlemen, Mr Slueth, time to handle this voip issue
I do apologize i had have 2 major prodjects in play so considering voip is the most efficient and logical solution i am say live. I built 3 platforms with a russain and Ukraine programmers that why a patiently waited until we could get past the feminism not to disrespect anybody i can only trouble or comment if i too have experienced the same issues threw out my life.
But i am bit off a tough guy and i was raised to not say a fcking thing in a multiple lister environment unless you took into consideration recourse and ones interpretation. Translation don't talk and don't ever disrespect nobody or you would catch a beating.
Well times have changed and now doing time is like a course offered in college so you can not even smoke on earth anymore!
I must say the first time i spoke was to protect the integrity of an individual inhere from a ungrateful member. Moist important i was able to use his solution to secure my ability to resurrect any type of wizard. So i thanked him but i was more bothered by the disrespect for ones efforts by another.
Can you believe THE MUTHAFRkr actually turned on me, i couldn't understand.. I get plenty of thanks in the real world via the new times, let alone from here daily and tell u truth i have never gone public. I have given quite a few Domestic companies a whole new way to think an they actually took some **** i had for me.
Its not my looks or my level of intelligence's that gets you the label one of the best in the game today.
For me it is me, meaning i only do things one way with no ego. I beciome the end user and think like they do. That means that i have to assume that i have been misunderstood when some insults me and take full responsibility for both parties. Move on. But being that i am a communication specialist and most important a fix my company specialist. I was ia bit confused my self until i realized where this forom is out of and the fact that i never looked at all the flags that people throw so now i get.
Just like free data doesn't appeal to most of the moderators and senior members why would it like this it doesn't apply.
So don't expect to much from people that are abroad simply because its old news or doesn't excite them.
Only work people that have respect i don't need to suit here and chicken peck the keys. My language is free spoken cause im at home so the least i can do is swear. I am a bit of a phycological warrior with a few gifts. But try to mind **** over the computer after this run was proven and deemed a failure.
If i needed validation i would not be in a studio loft and drive a rental. YOu are only as good as your teachers. And the best of the best dont wear it on their chest.
But lets face it i to am in the lab on a whole other level.
I bang this out with guys if you want.
And MR sleuth with much respect to you sir. The ability to see probably not the first time being i only guess what the vendors and clients look like. My coments to schapps was for the visuals and hinted not drop code its as bad as my typing to a non programmer and a turn off. I am a true fan and have true passion let alone credential in voip. Again not into knocking some determination or work that would be my ultimate mistake if ever making any in life.
So with that i need some answers so i can go get you what you need if you see my previous posts i threw up a flag so i could solve this but i have read all the posts so and again have not wanted to disrupt the determination but saw it was gonna drive down a very long hard maybe a little road.
1 why do you need to use the gprs client on an acm environment.
2. Can we nail one type down?
We only need one to work then the idea would be to expose the path
it then be a true team effort from the various camps here and all over
3.Do you see what i see in the us regarding the fact that hot spots are also gprs and the idea is a free cell phone that is free cause of this effort not cause its the internet.
I don't know about you but i would never want to speak over the internet abut anything none business related meaning my day to day.
5. Nothing is secure fear is the best security system one can have
Finish our discussion on sip Please do mot use the vendors names i have a major personal issue with people selling free open source software and have other people produce clients for free. The whole thing keeps out of that environment. Just personal thing
But i threw together 2 asterisk systems they shuttles and i will join you i you bring me to speed meaning the clients to test or the ability.
I also had a Hermes delivered today for this fix, the phone is in 4 pieces and looks like a standard owner had buyers remorse and after he bricked it he killed it but looks like this Hermes is going to live by tomorrow.
I am a visual type of person so for instance sip was seek and destroy that was the pitch.
Voip was {Phone--------Switch(homeofiice firewallsrouters,NAT)---- -----------------------(Switch)home/offiicefirewallsrouters,NAT)---phone
SIP was assuming you did not have any thing but home configured. It was suposed to find its way home in business pitch.
I understand networking and the concepts but dont dig in with logic.
I was thinking more if i understand why you need multiple codecs and why we cant just split open the t mobile client which by the way is from blue tooth sig. A bluetoothe company with all the stk's from every vendor available. that is going broadband for those who don't know and yes you can surf the net on blue tooth.
This what i bring way out side box and i think we can do this faster if i can implement the way come up with this stuff.
the sdk is a valid concern so i would be more than happy to split apart any piece that causes a mental block my boy z in the Ukraine still are waiting for the yahoo and google checks. I will also pardon anyone who has remorse.
Most important is the connections and the resources to use for all my in house work is the usually the mother ship and she doesn't speak English and has no copy right.
I am player in this but i don't program so you will be amused by the remedial questions and nuclear answers.
But lets do this fast with no ego and i was not implying anything directly to your present work or anyone above this specific page. If you weren't all genius i would be any way. And my goal is to let that even t-mobile is not my carrier they let me see a way out and all the holes in service so this is not about the codes it about stepping back finding the manufacture that makes the phone pulling the client customizing and then giving it up for free to those that are willing to give up the sunlight for the red eyes and constant domestic issues.
I have some things that you might be able to use li really dont know cause i good but even i stopped following when you flipped ways in one session. I'm sure once you fill me in i will pick it up instantly. Hardware and risk of destruction, well that would be my pleasure.
PS i did not proof read this so ii hope it has impact
Agreed. The built in G.711 codec works well over WiFi. I'm having no issues other than battery life related which can't be solved easily... The WM6 RTC isn't really designed to run over 3G anyway. My AdapterTypes registry hack was what made it do this and that flushed out a few "undocumented features" for sure. Case in point: it doesn't detect changes in GPRS/3G availability such as when you USB connect to ActiveSync. So you have to physically stop Internet calling by choosing "never" in the Internet tab of the Phone Settings dialog, then restart it by choosing "Whenever Available" to make it connect again. It also doesn't automatically start the data connection if it is off and will instead again say "Not Available" until you manually start the data connection then perform the above stop/start routine.
This being said, having a GSM610 codec functioning would lower the bandwidth requirements considerably. I have a few more tests to make today with this codec; it may be that the algorithm itself isn't properly spec'ed to GSM610. Some quick tests will determine this. I'm a developer and I want to understand this you see
At any rate, I'd like to get my hands on a newer version of rtcdll.dll than the one that's in my Hermes ROM.
edit:
First test completed: I disabled the final encoded buffer transfer to the RTC. The rationale here being that if the same garbled sound was heard then the Wm6 RTC itself was the culprit. Instead, I heard what would be expected if the RTC was truly acting on the encoded buffer: silence. Now I have to dig more into the codec itself. The sample GSM code does a double frame encoding (each input PCM buffer is treated as two GSM610 encoded frames). I'm not sure if the WM RTC is prepared for this or not..... Heck, there may even be a transport layer issue causing the garbled sound. More research is required.
Anybody interested in playing along can do so with their own asterisk server. There's actually a Virtual appliance containing Trixbox, FreePBX and other goodies that make startup a snap. Just load the free VMWare player, point it to the fully configured virtual machine and you're up and running.
A link to this free appliance along with the vmware player itself can be found here.
The 3CX softphone that can receive direct ip calls (dial it's address using the form nn*nn*nn*nn on your Internet calling equipped HTC phone when both devices are WiFi connected to the same network) can be found here
I'm playing with my Asterisk server... But fun ends pretty fast when you realise you can't really go anywhere. I'm no genius to come out with a hack which recompiles a TRUE softphone into a dll which wraps the MS one and bypasses the ridiculous limitation of the earpiece vs speaker problem and then goes to Mars etc, etc... So I learned that I might just get another phone if I really want to enjoy VOIP on my mobile. I like my S710, would have been one of the best mobiles to enjoy VOIP (I think) but:
1) No, no, smartphones can't have the VOIP stack
2) You can try to hack it in but earpiece is only available to "modem"
3) etc.
I'm a bit disappointed must say.
Ka.
It is possible to redirect audio from multimedia speaker to earpiece for any HTC phone with Syren audio chip.
namely:
HTC Tornado
HTC Excalibur
HTC Vox
HTC StarTrek
.......
Also, we have positive resultes with many HTC Pocket PC Phones. namely:
HTC Hermes
HTC Trinity
.......
I do not understand why HTC has disabled audio redirection. HTC audio driver is capable of audio redirection from multimedia speaker to earpiece for any multimedia stream..
Sorry, I wouldn't be able to tell more regarding this issue. But the bottom line is: IT CAN BE DONE.
I guess, HTC decided to leave this option out for reason or...
kast said:
......
2) You can try to hack it in but earpiece is only available to "modem"
......
Ka.
Click to expand...
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By reading forums around I learned that on some phones it could be possible.
I'm not sayint it's a hardware issue (as I got no clue about hardware), on the other hand we're limited by the drivers they provide us, limited by the API we can use.
I read somewhere that it might be possible to redirect an audio stream to the earpiece when the "phone part" is actually being used. Even if it is a modem connection.
Meaning we might have the phone to instanciate a "fake call" and then redirect the audio stream to the earpiece. Meaning that... Yes, true, audio streams could be redirected to the earpiece but not very easily.
Now, faking a call or anything like this is not really something I can code in two seconds and try. Don't even know if it could be possible. So, I still hope in the one, as I said in a post above, genius to hack a DLL, put some sticky tape around, couple of API calls he's the only one to know of and send a Shuttle to Mars. I know there are many of these in this forum, luckily.
Ka.
Some interesting ACM plugin codec developments:
I now have the exact same garbled audio in both directions . However the reason it now works at all is a fundamental clue that I'm now looking into. The frames being sent to the decoder appear to be about half the size that it's designed to handle.
Specifically, the integer divide of input size \ GSMBLOCKSIZE was zero because size was < GSMBLOCKSIZE. If this size was zero, the encoder initially just exited. I changed the code so that if the division = zero and the original size was greater than zero then the divided size was now 1 instead of 0. Result was identical garbled audio in both directions.
It may actually be the "double frame" encoding/decoding logic that's dying. This GSM codec was designed for the audio ACM system and the RTC system may well be quite different....
Dr what have you done you mighht actually have to use a responder
RTC dll i would tell tomorrow however it will surface tonight i would expect it to. with all the network drops i have soembody better email a fake one.
Just tell you are aware of trixy and that i am not a fan of the model solution takes 15 mins but i am not a fan i am if it is for your house the key is to not spend any money i failed. trixy comes in all forms and Phonn lattttyy does not need any more advertising. Unless you say so, i don't say it to much trust me in fact the west coast best called me to tell me he was shocked about the revelations. In fact i have been asked to plan and design a company structure 50 times on astrik never it sfree. I am a businessman and don';t get out of bed for less than a nickel or if you ask for my help. I built a phone system with instructions simply the desire for the perfect ADD autistic solution. A+B=C no games in your face gorilla direct marketing ...............we can get into that later.
Please don't push trixy unless you have a reason and im ok with that but please mispel. Is the fact that i dealt with them as a customer inquiring blind ready to buy so my opinion is like business i have no friends and am not biast in any which way or form. Respect plays a great deal for me.
Non the less you just sped me up of why no need to answer. Please look at some of my bulll regarding a way out. All we need is a way out well this little basted showed up today and no i am armed but let please make this
http://www.hp.com/rnd/products/switches/switch2324-2312/overview.htm
Why is it not your friend because the day you plug a monitor and key board into a pbx it now becomes a computer and it doesn't say that in the manual.
this things need to be configured once walk never go back dont surf the mnet on your meal ticket or allow it too.
Business only.
Home eat off it.
Why would one want to play in this game well thats where i come in.
Here is why evryone gets a piece
1.XDA takes the left side (usa the glutens consumers right here right now).
2. I will get6 the data free thats my goal it will come
3. we have cellular for free it would motivate our off shore friends to stop looking straight and look up and see that with the right team the your everyday is worth all the money not me jeeves my rodeo is over, but i don't stand alone.
3. I think voip was invented off shore and i want to see the pie piper cause i did it in less than 5 minutes while i was peaking over seas on an analog line. My very good friend laughed and said why do have so much interest in tis idea like he has had one for ever.
Omega can handle the basic questions sleuth don't stop keep going i will be back later unless you reply but i am burried.
I have always believed that a true hack is someone that doesn't want to be pointed or controlled for mew it was just i need it right right now. And of course a man down or payroll. If i didn't kick the door down then i would be in the Microsoft forum across street. yet we all stay on windows what lovely world
To all the new people the m,ember in my name stands for my member and please follow
these rule if you may
Just understand if u asked most likely you will get an answer but why stop this it will be done in less than a month.
T-mobile well i think $5.99 is good enough for us to a least spend a little time on a full lock down
IF you want to say something it does not have to make sense. Only a robot talks before they think!!!!
Governor i take it you will come up with gold and the hermes in front of me just gave me a light no screen but a light so by morning
PS i will not be a part of turning a domestic company into a major player i will not have a board on this and this is for strictly the love of the game
The soft phone was brilliant like my title this simply a forum for Slueth powered by xda inspired by the mind of a gorilla.
Sleuth picture and generic links gets peoples attention a whole lot faster you just turned us into support know what i mean.
But besides the pda no pbx thier is no need for that. Anyone want in pm The dr up thier you want that stuff
Slueth those are the visuals i need now i keep on you with the acm **** dont get mad when i tell you about the stack
**** meaning reference not idea or client
ACM< if gfor the big boys all one solution I love it but i wrote it
see u later sir
i got $1000 says just like all software that t-mobile client is siop
look at the t-mobile version and apple no ego i you dont and do what i cant read.
The answer is out their like he said you should push a button. HEre look at this how i do it.l
http://client.hotspot.t-mobile.com/
http://client.hotspot.t-mobile.com/
I mean come on i don't need to tell you download the t-mobile client tell me what you say anything t-mobile is crackable they based of cracker land and they believe in sharing or taking the entire industry ewho cares the clinet you have may be dead but who knows
You need a way to talk to the pbx with your cell. So let give you facts thier are no parameters and 80
% is marketing i know i iwrite the pityches
So take a client 98 it does not matter if it works on cups and yarn it will easly transition
For instance i install cabs until my phones crash and let me tell the big boys cabs work on all mobile so i believe and again i don't know if you read the t mobile site like view the code tools page info mozzilaa the flag of who they are using is their and the client they donut know what they got it will be the full version no seciruity and wide open it the patches and upgrades r ember i didn't know that you could licenses software i just unplugged the dongle or key and went back to work. ALl businesss and they first $50,000 solutions had no security.
Anyone from overseas has a never mind sleuth its time to copy paste all the worlds carriers that how you do it. If t-mobile does not pick an aragant country and you will find someone that is exerting their dominance
All you guys reading fdeel free to drop a line on your carier i will hit them by night .
Just like abhove
they are giving you your answer. maybe not the way you want iot but a wy to go fast and efeciant.
then i always look at the bottom by law they have to show you thier kitty kat
T-Mobile HotSpot Security Statement
In providing this Security Statement and the Frequently Asked Questions ("FAQs") that follow, we want you to be better informed about the security limitations and features of the T-Mobile HotSpot service.
Our T-Mobile HotSpot network is based on wireless local area networks ("WLANs") that use evolving technology based on the IEEE 802.11b/g standards. WLANs, which enable "over-the-air" communications, may be subject to unauthorized interception and are not inherently secure. Additionally, a laptop computer, personal digital assistant ("PDA") or other device using wireless connections may be more vulnerable to unauthorized attempts to access data and software stored on the device. We therefore cannot guarantee the privacy of your data and communications while using the T-Mobile HotSpot service.
However, we have designed the T-Mobile HotSpot network and provide certain encryption technologies to better safeguard your wireless communications. We also support customer-provided security solutions, such as virtual private networks ("VPNs"), personal firewalls, and anti-virus software. For your protection, at all T-Mobile HotSpot locations your credit card or other payment card information, as well as any personal information that you send to us via our website when signing up for HotSpot service, is encrypted using secure socket layer ("SSL") technology which prevents unauthorized persons from reading that information. SSL technology is the standard for data encryption and server-side authentication for secure Web-based transactions (such as e-commerce). Additionally, we encrypt your user name and password each time that you submit them to access the T-Mobile HotSpot service.
We also offer an enhanced wireless security technology over our entire T-Mobile HotSpot network known as Wi-Fi Protected Access ("WPA") with 802.1x. Once you are authenticated onto the T-Mobile HotSpot network, WPA with 802.1x encrypts all of your data traffic when it is transmitted wirelessly from your Wi-Fi device to the T-Mobile-installed, Wi-Fi access points at each T-Mobile HotSpot location. This encryption technology helps protect against unauthorized interception of your data while it is transmitted "over the air", and it helps to mitigate against session hijacking (the ability for unauthorized individuals to access Wi-Fi service for free by using a customer's session).
You may take advantage of our WPA with 802.1x security enhancement when you install our new T-Mobile Connection Manager (version 1.5 or more current release) on your Wi-Fi device. Another advantage of the T-Mobile Connection Manager is that it automatically validates the T-Mobile HotSpot network when authenticating, thus ensuring that the customer is connected to a legitimate T-Mobile HotSpot network and not an unintended third-party Wi-Fi network.
The new T-Mobile Connection Manager is available for download at http://client.hotspot.t-mobile.com, or, if you prefer, you may obtain it in CD format at no charge from many of our retail stores and participating HotSpot locations. You can confirm that the WPA with 802.1x software is functioning by looking for the "1X" on your Connection Manager user interface. Should you have any problem
If you choose not to use the T-Mobile Connection Manager, you may use compatible WPA with 802.1x software designed by other companies. However, proper configuration of such third-party software is necessary in order for the solution to work and to mitigate against security vulnerabilities. T-Mobile does not support and cannot guarantee the functionality of third-party WPA with 802.1x software.
Please note, however, that WPA with 802.1x does not protect your data when it is transmitted over the Internet. Once you connect to the Internet, it is your responsibility to use appropriate encryption technologies such as a VPN or to use websites that offer SSL technology. We do not provide protection for any Internet communications. You should be especially careful when transmitting user names, passwords, credit card numbers, financial data and other sensitive and confidential information across the Internet without ensuring that appropriate security precautions are in place. Depending on your situation, these communications may be transmitted without encryption and may be vulnerable to unauthorized interception in the HotSpot location or on the Internet.
T-Mobile HotSpot strongly recommends you take measures to secure your Wi-Fi devices and Internet communications. We encourage and support many customer-provided security solutions, such as VPNs, personal firewalls, anti-virus software and the use of websites that provide SSL encryption for your data. It is your responsibility, however, to take these precautions and provide security measures best suited to your situation and intended use of the service. We do not currently provide these solutions and cannot guarantee or otherwise be responsible for their effectiveness.
Please note that appropriate safeguards should be used for any type of wireless technology or Internet access via any service provider. If you are interested in learning more, a few sources of additional information are: the National Infrastructure Protection Center's website at http://www.nipc.gov/publications/nipcpub/bestpract.html and CERT's website at http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/home_networks.html.
Below are some tips that can help you protect yourself when using the
T-Mobile HotSpot service or any other public Wi-Fi service to access the Internet:
Use the T-Mobile HotSpot Connection Manager software which, when installed on a laptop, automatically validates the T-Mobile HotSpot network when authenticating and encrypts "over the air" communications
If you are using a browser, verify that it is using SSL to validate the T-Mobile HotSpot network via server-side authentication
Ensure that any website to which you are transmitting sensitive personal or financial information uses SSL technology. To confirm that a website is using SSL:
Look for the "https://..." in the URL address
Look for a closed padlock (or key) icon in the bottom right-hand corner of your Internet browser as indicators you are accessing a secure site
Do not ignore security warnings from the browser
Inspect the Web site address in your browser's URL field to ensure you are communicating with the correct, secure Web site
Use VPNs and personal firewalls
Use anti-virus software and keep the software updated
Be aware that others may be able to look "over your shoulder" to see your login, credit card, or other personal information while using the service. The use of a privacy screen on your computer screen may help prevent others from seeing what is on your computer.
Properly log out of web sites by clicking log out instead of just closing your browser, or typing in a new Internet address
Avoid using web-based email or instant messaging that uses clear (unencrypted) text to send information you deem confidential
Remove or disable your wireless card if you are working offline on your computer and you are not planning to connect to the HotSpot service
get me off this limit member mky ass your lucky here i waiting to post ****
AGlossary of WLAN security acronyms
802.11b/g Industry standards designation for wireless ethernet
SSL Secure Socket Layer
PDA Personal Digital Assistant
VPN Virtual Private Network
WEP Wireline Equivalent Privacy
Wi-Fi Industry brand designation for wireless ethernet
WLAN Wireless Local Area Network
WPA Wi-Fi Protected Access.
i m out i didn't read but oi know companies now r ember they contradict hot spots with the card that goes into the laptop hot spots are wifi but also fre gprs back door read into that i cant this takes me hours to type
hi
I live in the netherlands and everywhere i go there is at least one wifi spot but the problem is that almost all of them are secured so that outsiders cant use it.is there a way to bypass that security?
thanks in advance
theres a reason why it has security on it mate, you shouldnt attempt to access a network which you have no right to access, its illegal in nearly all countries to hack into someone elses network.
but for eductional purposes all i can tell you is that it can be done by capturing iv packets and then sniffing out the network key. it can be a long process unless you use data injection, and it depends on what type of security protocol the network is running, some take around 5minutes to hack and others could take longer depending on whether a brute force attack is required.
Remember do not try and hack into someone elses network, it is illegal
and if anyones thinking how i know this, its because i have run tests on my own network to check the integrity and strengh of my security.
i use wpa with a network key composed of random letters and numbers, which means a brute force dictionary attack would be useless, so i am very safe.
Do not hack, or ask any one how to hack someone elses network on this forum mate, you might get banned.
The title of the area 'Development & Hacking' relates to the semi-legal work on the devices in question, not to totally illegal full-on network hacking/intrusion - you won't get any help here... and i'll probably get flamed for even answering you...
its kinda funny that he posted this under "Development & Hacking", i bet you hes never heard of this site before and must have been searching using the keyword "hacking" and ended up on this site.
any ways, there is a way you can bypass the security, go ask the person who owns the network, if they can let you use their internet lol
I have always wished there was a way to just send a message to the network owner, just so I could ask nicely.
Plus you have people like me who would shae there network, if it was easily separated into a secure / unsecure segment. I've thought of buying a third router in order to do this....But my generosity would be in doing it free and easy, not in spending more money and effort
Reminds me of an XKCD...
XKCD 416
Made me giggle anyway....
mattarse said:
I have always wished there was a way to just send a message to the network owner, just so I could ask nicely.
Plus you have people like me who would shae there network, if it was easily separated into a secure / unsecure segment. I've thought of buying a third router in order to do this....But my generosity would be in doing it free and easy, not in spending more money and effort
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bt broadband has something like this, i myself am with Bethere.co.uk
but if u want internet sharing, then check this link
http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProducts/displayTopic.do?topicId=16549
its called BT FON, basically you provide other BT FON users with network access, and in return you are given access to all the other members networks if your in range.
Ok i posted some info here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=412897
get a laptop with linux + aircrack and u can get most WEP ssids in 4mins!
I posted a few weeks ago about if or not the EVO 4G would work in China since CDMA has migrated over to UIM cards since 2002 and as well all know the EVO does not have a UIM card.
First of all the company that will provide service is China Telecom, unfortunately they do not offer the service, they dont even acknowledge it even being possible and most workers that you talk to have no idea what your talking about.
I brought this phone back from the USA on August 2nd and started my quest to figure out how to activate it. I must say it took a long time to find someone who would even try to ask around to see if the phone could be activated, even being at the infamous black cellphone market in Shanghai(Near the Tian Mu Lu Train station). I was rejected many times even after they spent an hour or so asking around for me. I gave up that day but finally found someone on the internet selling the HTC EVO 4G with a valid Chinese ESN to link to a phone number. (Tian Mu Lu 188 Floor 6 #54)
Now the phone number you have to get yourself under contract from China Telecom, now for this you need a local ID or to be a landowner and avid Chinese speaker like me. This requires a 128K CDMA number 133/153/189 although China Telecom told me that only 189 exists at this time. The contracts are unbinding or atleast they where for me and I paid 139RMB for 2GB and 200 minutes.
You then take this number to them and they link it to your phone, through their internal China Telecom connection's.
This service all in all costs you about 2 hours of time on average and 400rmb.
Honestly since China Telecom doesnt provide this service or even say they can do it, I think it was a bargain and a miracle that you could backdoor this service.
Anyways if anyone has any problems or issues in Shanghai or in China I can help you just contact me through these forums, email([email protected]) or (+86)18964688482.
I also found people that do this service in Shenzhen but not sure where else.
MC
Next time I'm in China and want to illegally obtain phone service, I know who to go to...
i won't have a use for this anytime soon (unfortunately), but epic win sir. well done!
Well I have noticed some people posting on the web about this issue but figure this is the place to bring them as I have found so much help over the years in so many different forms.
Hope google search leads them here.
The funny thing is, its not illegal as it is done through China Telecom just not offered as a service on any of their websites or walk in phone/internet boutiques or offices. The words my new friend used where "They where not willing to offer the service to the public".
I encountered this same issue with the Chinese kind of VPN service called Guo Ji Jing Ping Wang, which is basically a rerouting of internet traffic through less congested nodes so that you dont have packet loss and have better bandwidth with your area of choice(for example 160-200 pings for the west coast US with 0 packetloss and 240-260 for East Coast also with 0 packetloss). This existed about 5-6 years ago but was not offered to the public till 2008 or so. If I had not walked in and talked to the manager of the office and forced them to offer me something so I could receive large emails properly or game or stream videos etc.
Guess its kinda like the Great Firewall of China which is basically wide but not high especially using modern technology or even not so modern technology like a ladder(lol), since you can easily navigate around it with a proxy or vpn and no one cares here.
Anyways if anyone needs help in China for anything I can help. (15 year veteran)
sweet. I actually do need to find local Shanghai police to report some international business fraud I embarassingly fell victim to.
The place is @ Rm. 156-1, NO.3035 Zhufeng road,Liantang town,Qingpu Zone Shanghai.
86-021-29424583
The guy's name is Zhang Tuan. It's a long story but it's a "Gold Supplier" on Alibaba and I obviously didn't get anything - I have had over 30 positive transactions with other vendors.
hmnsl8 at gmail
Zhang Tuan
I was also looking at this company and thinking of doing business with them until I found your posting and I did some research and they go under the company name Newtang (Shanghai) Trading Company. Have you ever received your shipment?
no, nothing yet.
I paid on July 30 and it's well Aug 19.
In fact, one of the products I was inquiring about is Korean made and the manufacturer told me it's not going to be on the market at earliest late Holiday season and this company is claiming to sell it already (and I fell for it). DOH!
I will def holler if I ever do get this. I have the crew digging around more though - here in the US and China.
SOMETHING apparently did ship but I know for a fact it has not left China according to the shoddy shipping method. I mean it could be a brick for all I know or just a shipping label. I do not put anything past the whole lot of em over there now. I just do not see any possible way China can be a true economic power with rampant knock offs and fraud.
(sorry for hijacking your thread btw)
I mean maybe in some ridiculous way they did send something but it's not the shipping method I agreed to nor paid for and I refuse to take a fall for this so I'm trying to be pro-active.
Now of course if I do get what I ordered and it really did just LAG I will eat my words give them nothing but praise and for being nothing more than lame in admin as far as shipping method. But for now with all the stuff I've read about them and other companies in general - i am more than skeptical
HTC EVO 4G in Guangzhou
Today I had my struggle in China/ Guangzhou to get my newly delivered Htc Evo 4g working. Initially I thought i could get my card from China mobile ported to a 3G number and use it, but in 4+ shops they didnt want to help me or were not able to. They didnt even bother to ask around or something. And its not the language, since my chinese is actually pretty much ok and they understood what i wanted.
Anyways. Many thanks to " Inti " for the tip trying it with China Telecom! The whole procedure took me only 20 minutes. I opened a new 3g card, put it in my phone and it work. Not even a need for them to enter a ESN / Muid or anything to their system. The best! It didnt cost me a penny or yuan!
The basic choices i had were between to schemes. One 49RMB per month and another one with 98RMB/month. Meaning 100/200 free minutes of talking and 250MB/500MB of traffic. The money can be charged by normal charging cards from the street, even be wired to their account or they can take it from yours. You can pay locally in the shop too of course.
If you would want to use your card outside China, which happens to me already when im going to HongKong you would have to put a deposit of 1400RMB one time. Now your 3G will work all over the world until these 1400RMB are used up.
To me its a pretty good deal and i hope it will help someone like i got help many times from this forum.
As a bit of a followup..
I got mine in Tianjin and paid rmb3500 for phone then it cost the 400 for them to register it to the network the number you brought to the phone..
I use a company account and so its not illegal to do..also I get access to my own account via the web and pay the bill..
if you do a search on Taobao you will find its the norm now.. plenty of people doing it..
瑞姆手机HTC EVO 4G(A9292)CDMA 可写号/完美插卡机 最新2.2系统
as to plans.. I am using the Rmb125 per month with 3gig then I pay another rmb100 for another 3 gig.. so basically until I settle down with my usage I beefed it up.. but it is still on approx$40 per month for a whole lot of usage..
I have used it in Shanghai, Tianjin, Shangdong, and last week up in Changchan with good coverage.. plugging it in to the laptop and using it for good fast internet..
So I hope this helps if someone is thinking of getting one..
I also picked up the extended battery and are so far happy with output on it..
its at 46% after 16 hours of being on.. and I have used it for about 4 hours of wireless tonight.. so got to be happy with that..
I'll post back on the brand of battery I ended buying out of Shenzhen..
its the YooBao..
search .taobao.com
YOOBAO羽博 多普达 HTC EVO 4G 原装 加厚电池 送后盖 3000毫安
Cover fits well.. and I got a cutout outta cover on it.. so all in all.. happy camper.. will revisit this thread in a few months and report back on batt.. but for these prices.. who cares.. if I get 12 months mileage out of it.. I will be happy..
a few good apps for I use and for those that are not chinese..
sms translate - this is very hopeful
hanping chinese pro using the CC-cedit
would love to get a copy of Pleco but as for now its only for the iphone, windows mobile and Palm
MMS in China
Dear good people.
Having my evo on china telecom now for a day and so happy. Here just a few hints that i could have used and also one problem still persists with my mobile.
Of the first sms's i sent out i had only a few going through and some ending up with error codes. After a while i found out that the numbers have to be without any non-numeric symbols. for example number with +8613xxxxxxxxx wont work because of the Plus-sign. It has to be 008613xxxxxxxx or without the country code 13xxxxxxxxx. Also numbers with the "-" inside wont work like xxxx-xxxx-xx-xx.
Then i recieved an MMS but couldnt download it. And I also cant send any. That is unfortunately not depending on the number scheme, I tried everything.
Anyone has the same problem out there in China? My phone is using the standard root spring rom 2.2 .
Would be cool if anyone with working MMS could type in ##3282# ,go to "view-mode" and post all the settings you got.
cheers in advance and help needed...
Even if you had the settings from sprint, you'd still need to adjust them to the carrier ib China to make MMS work over there...
Sent from the iPhone Assassin
mms in china with china telecom
That is why im asking if someone has MMS working in China with Evo and China Telecom? If so if that person could please post the settings.
The settings from Sprint I have myself which obviously dont work unfortunately.
It's not that im using MMS frequently but it kind of annoys me that it doesnt work up to now. All the rest is working fine with my evo and I love to use it.
The standard settings for GSM/CDMA from China telecom are the following, also confirmed by the hotline, but I actually think they didnt quiet get me when i told them i have a CDMA phone 'only'.
MMS Server URL: mmsc.vnet.mobi
HTTP Server : 10.0.0.200:80
I put in those things in through ##3282# and edit mode. Tried leaving the RTSP Server blank/on zero and other combinations. Couldnt get anything to work. Always get network failure or some other warnings for sending and downloading MMS.
My hope is that someone is out there with Evo + China Telecom + working MMS and if that someone could post the settings?
greetz
sunnysonic said:
That is why im asking if someone has MMS working in China with Evo and China Telecom? If so if that person could please post the settings.
The settings from Sprint I have myself which obviously dont work unfortunately.
It's not that im using MMS frequently but it kind of annoys me that it doesnt work up to now. All the rest is working fine with my evo and I love to use it.
The standard settings for GSM/CDMA from China telecom are the following, also confirmed by the hotline, but I actually think they didnt quiet get me when i told them i have a CDMA phone 'only'.
MMS Server URL: mmsc.vnet.mobi
HTTP Server : 10.0.0.200:80
I put in those things in through ##3282# and edit mode. Tried leaving the RTSP Server blank/on zero and other combinations. Couldnt get anything to work. Always get network failure or some other warnings for sending and downloading MMS.
My hope is that someone is out there with Evo + China Telecom + working MMS and if that someone could post the settings?
greetz
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Sunny,
Mine is set as follows..
MMSC -http://mmsc.vnet.mobi
MMS: proxy : 10.0.0.200
MMS port: 80
MMS protocol: wap 2.0
hope this helps..
Thanks a lot for the help, I appreciate, but where can you set the mms protocol on your evo? I don't have anything like that. Are you using the standard sprint rom like me in version 2.2 ? The settings you posted I found on the net as well but somehow it seems more for gsm phones.
On my evo I have no chance to get to mms settings but typing in ##3282# and then to go to view/edit mode.
sunny,
I am not going to be much help.. as just tested it..
can send a pic via email.. but not via mms.. as it is failing..
as to the settings.. I can see them from within the htc message program..
just go into the settings and you will see them all.. in mine they are greyed out..
so... i dont know if you can change them anyway..
I dont use the phone for mms anyway.. so not too much of a worry for me..
good luck with it..
sunnysonic said:
Thanks a lot for the help, I appreciate, but where can you set the mms protocol on your evo? I don't have anything like that. Are you using the standard sprint rom like me in version 2.2 ? The settings you posted I found on the net as well but somehow it seems more for gsm phones.
On my evo I have no chance to get to mms settings but typing in ##3282# and then to go to view/edit mode.
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Have you tried changing the app MMS.apk to the incredible one and adding an APN? You can set many things there.. Hope this helps. (Use VOICE DIALER and say "OPEN APNS" to open the APN list)
Evo in China
@ dgcruzing: Thanks for trying anyway!
@ m4f1050: Thanks as well. That seems to be a step in the right direction. At least i can get now to the APN settings on my evo.
For the moment Im trying different combinations of Mms.apk and APN settings. All dont work so far but will keep trying and keep everyone posted here.
cheers
Good luck and keep us updated!
Sunny
Yes..keep us posted as if you crack it I will try your system to try to get mine going..
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Re: update your Rom & force Close of com.google.process.gapps
"force Close of com.google.process.gapps"
Had same problems.. started last night when I tried to use my VPN on the phone to sign in to Market.. once signed in.. google accounts asked me to sign in again..(verify account) big mistake.. as it seems that it has registered me twice on the phone somehow..
anyway.. the FC on sync came thick and fast.. was out last night.. so couldn't actually take the time to check what was going on..
today did some research..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=792691&page=4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=619453
so the question is.. if i do a hard reset.. will I lose the actually settings that make it hook in to the phone network?
and I suppose from this we get.. how do I pull all of these settings out of the phone to reuse them again after the reset?
Edit:
As a followup.. and to answer my own questions.. no loss of actual communication on a full install of a new Rom..
after searching the net for the last few days for a fix.. its seems to be a Android bug.. no amount of wipes and resets put me back on track..
So in the end I went for a fresh Rom...
Myn’s Warm TwoPointTwo - [RLS 5 - 01/07/2011]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=793471
also update the Kernel with..
netarchy-toastmod-4.2.1-cfs-bfq-havs-more-smartass-universal-signed
Happy to say.. all fixed and now looking good again..
main points out of this is..
1: as those of us in China that have brought a Evo and had it worked on here to hook in to the CDMA network.. and are rooted.. I can report.. you can upgrade your Rom..
2: upgrading the Rom will allow you to shift a lot of Programs off the Phone to SDcard.. with Apps2SD which most 2.2 Roms have as norm..
3: you get a new look and feel to the phone..
I did as the instructions said and installed the Rom and new Radio's and all working well..
Okay this is my first post and, I'm pretty sure I'm posting in the right spot if not I'm very sorry with that said.
I have been reading articles that say you can get free gprs internet by using web proxy setting if this in fact possible then couldn't you just use fringe and AIM to send sms messages and some sort of viop service to make calls? I have done some research into the subject and it looks like in theory this should be possible, I just can't seem to get it all figured out hoping that others can help make this idea a reality. Also I don't know about the rest of the world but here in the U.S at least you can still make calls to 911 even with no service enabled.
adbgmecca said:
Okay this is my first post and, I'm pretty sure I'm posting in the right spot if not I'm very sorry with that said.
I have been reading articles that say you can get free gprs internet by using web proxy setting if this in fact possible then couldn't you just use fringe and AIM to send sms messages and some sort of viop service to make calls? I have done some research into the subject and it looks like in theory this should be possible, I just can't seem to get it all figured out hoping that others can help make this idea a reality. Also I don't know about the rest of the world but here in the U.S at least you can still make calls to 911 even with no service enabled.
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In the UK our emergency number is 999 and it doesn't cost.
Wouldn't they detect that your using their internet for free?
yes
of course... i used bittorrent to get skype for my diamond... i connect to wireless through wifi. and my phone is unlocked among other hacks. they can't legally stop you also if you have the linux hack search for a voip program calld akiga which is free
i pay for skype but hell i don't pay for service on my htc
just remember you can't get skype from their site cuz they ask for a phone-number... but you can torrent it happy hacking
adbgmecca said:
Okay this is my first post and, I'm pretty sure I'm posting in the right spot if not I'm very sorry with that said.
I have been reading articles that say you can get free gprs internet by using web proxy setting if this in fact possible then couldn't you just use fringe and AIM to send sms messages and some sort of viop service to make calls? I have done some research into the subject and it looks like in theory this should be possible, I just can't seem to get it all figured out hoping that others can help make this idea a reality. Also I don't know about the rest of the world but here in the U.S at least you can still make calls to 911 even with no service enabled.
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That was a very old way to get GPRS, and I believe it was only on one or two carriers, who I am sure have closed off the loophole.
IIRC it was also only for a couple of LG handsets.
But what you would be doing was/is illegal, and you would likely get caught if you tried to use VOIP over it.
At which point, you will have trouble finding anyone who will back you, as the rest of us pay our monthly bill and just accept it. I got my contract at 50% discount by asking for the right things and researching when was best to buy etc...
I don't recommend it, and you will get caught if you try anything like this... The networks monitor for strange usage such as data on a SIM with no data package etc.
I didn't think this was illegal since i wanted to connect gprs threw a proxy server so ur tunneling around there service. But even with no sim card a phone can still call emergency so if you did all this with no sim card would it still be consider stealing?
Really, I have never had a harder time setting up an on-line account with any technology vendor for the simple purpose of paying a bill.
This is primarily rooted around Verizon's insistance on sending text messages for any activity to a device that does not accept them.
After two requests still awaiting for that snail mail that gives me a pin number so I can actually register on-line.
And all I see is grief in the future, whenever you want to do something, Verizon insists on sending a text. Sheesh.
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Really, I have never had a harder time setting up an on-line account with any technology vendor for the simple purpose of paying a bill.
This is primarily rooted around Verizon's insistance on sending text messages for any activity to a device that does not accept them.
After two requests still awaiting for that snail mail that gives me a pin number so I can actually register on-line.
And all I see is grief in the future, whenever you want to do something, Verizon insists on sending a text. Sheesh.
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What the tech did for me, was activate a test phone on the account, then have the text message sent to that phone.
Once I used that temporary password to set up the online account, he took the test phone off the account.
I had them waive my activation fee for my troubles, but that was back when they weren't automatically waiving them anyway.
gbenj said:
What the tech did for me, was activate a test phone on the account, then have the text message sent to that phone.
Once I used that temporary password to set up the online account, he took the test phone off the account.
I had them waive my activation fee for my troubles, but that was back when they weren't automatically waiving them anyway.
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same issue.. dumb setup.. you would think they would have another way , not to mention, what they need to do is when you setup your tablet, they give you a pin in the box or set it up with a backup phone number.
there is a million ways to do it., its dumb that they forgot this setup
but then, I am still curious why they do not set these DATA only setups to NOT have pohone numbers. we all know that the US is running out of numbers, what is the use of the number?! Give me an account number, or hell, just a IP address or something that does not waste a phone number that I cant use.
eatonjb said:
same issue.. dumb setup.. you would think they would have another way , not to mention, what they need to do is when you setup your tablet, they give you a pin in the box or set it up with a backup phone number.
there is a million ways to do it., its dumb that they forgot this setup
but then, I am still curious why they do not set these DATA only setups to NOT have pohone numbers. we all know that the US is running out of numbers, what is the use of the number?! Give me an account number, or hell, just a IP address or something that does not waste a phone number that I cant use.
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This is a phone wireless provider. Initially the data was setup for a means of phones getting data. So built on top of that principal in order to communicate with the Verizon NOC your unique identifier is actually your phone number, thats how their system evolved and it would be silly to rewrite their entire setup so tablets, a small percentage of their devies on their network, don't have to have a unique number that isn't a phone number.
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This is a phone wireless provider. Initially the data was setup for a means of phones getting data. So built on top of that principal in order to communicate with the Verizon NOC your unique identifier is actually your phone number, thats how their system evolved and it would be silly to rewrite their entire setup so tablets, a small percentage of their devies on their network, don't have to have a unique number that isn't a phone number.
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I would accept that, but have you seen the iPad 2? You can signup for and pre-pay data ON THE DEVICE. This is on verizon, they have it setup already, they just didn't want to for the xoom.
Really man..?
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Really, I have never had a harder time setting up an on-line account with any technology vendor for the simple purpose of paying a bill.
This is primarily rooted around Verizon's insistance on sending text messages for any activity to a device that does not accept them.
After two requests still awaiting for that snail mail that gives me a pin number so I can actually register on-line.
And all I see is grief in the future, whenever you want to do something, Verizon insists on sending a text. Sheesh.
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Last time I checked the moto xoom was not a phone. We have stores for people that cant handle the internet.
The text message feature is provisioned onto any and all devices, including aircards, its just the way the system was programmed pre-tablet'age.
Bunch of crap, I am currently waiting for my third PIN number to arrive by mail as the last two didnt work, I even called them and had THEM do it to make sure I wasnt screwing something up. I really wish I was inside of my 14day window or Id take it back and get the wifi and tether to my EVO and be done with it.
AJMetal87 said:
Last time I checked the moto xoom was not a phone. We have stores for people that cant handle the internet.
The text message feature is provisioned onto any and all devices, including aircards, its just the way the system was programmed pre-tablet'age.
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it might not make calls, but it is a device, I understand what he's talking about
but, lets face it, with the decent amount of tablets coming out, data cards, and other hardware and devices, getting rid of the number system might be advantagious in the near future.. but then, I actualy would not mind this thing having a number to text me too. but then with the costs, no way!
/rant.
AJMetal87 said:
Last time I checked the moto xoom was not a phone. We have stores for people that cant handle the internet.
The text message feature is provisioned onto any and all devices, including aircards, its just the way the system was programmed pre-tablet'age.
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Don't be a dork. This has to do with setting up a Verizon account on the internet, not with any one persons skill in using the internet. During the process there is a step "we will now text you your PIN", which you need the pin in order to complete the setup so you have access to your account on-line.
This is where Verizon drops the ball. After looking through the "I didn't / cannot get a text", a reference is made that it will be snail mailed to you if you do not complete the registration in 24 hours.
Apparently 24 hours actually means two weeks, which is how long it took me to get the PIN, which arrived today after my original posting, which of course happened after I have called them again and they have generated a new one which will probably take two more weeks, and this one is presumably invalid.
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This is a phone wireless provider. Initially the data was setup for a means of phones getting data. So built on top of that principal in order to communicate with the Verizon NOC your unique identifier is actually your phone number, thats how their system evolved and it would be silly to rewrite their entire setup so tablets, a small percentage of their devies on their network, don't have to have a unique number that isn't a phone number.
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A company is not defined by how they handle routine matters, but by how they handle exceptions.
It should not require rewriting the entire setup, the process should be smart enough to know when a device is not text capable, and provide an alternative flow... like maybe an e-mail?
gbenj said:
What the tech did for me, was activate a test phone on the account, then have the text message sent to that phone.
Once I used that temporary password to set up the online account, he took the test phone off the account.
I had them waive my activation fee for my troubles, but that was back when they weren't automatically waiving them anyway.
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That is a good tech who knows a work around. Unfortunately I waited a day or two before trying to set up my access to my on-line acount.
Hate VZW? In a word: Sprint. I bought mine a week ago. After getting confirmation of the sprint version, this one is boxed up and being returned. Can you find anyone willing to purchase your Xoom and transfer it over to another guy?
you could also go the Mifi way.
Virgin has a great deal. 10 days and 100mb for $10, or unlimited for a month for for $40 and no contracts, no nothing!
I still have the 20$ Verizon plan for now, just for the convenence, and since I use mostly Wifi, I can either use that, or call them up for one month to give me a GB of bandwitch.
but , no matter how i look at it, I think Verizon and Sprint, and T-Mo AND AT&T prices are CRAZy, exp if you dont use it all that much.
As sad as this may sound, I found that there is no speed difference between Verizon 3G and using my Nexus S wifi hotpot. So was kinda regretting getting the 3G version.
It took me about five minutes to do it in person