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Man I really hate T-Mobile's tech support. I called them to ask a simple question:
If I cancel my Total Internet Package which is just 20$ more on by phone bill that I don't really need to be spending, will I be charged for using the WIFI on my phone when I am at home?
I have Comcast cable internet at home and can pick up the router's signal with my MDA even with the sim card out and browse the internet.
They turned around and told me that I would be charged per Kb if I canceled my Total Internet Package and then used my WIFI to pick up my home internet service.
By the way this was T-Mobile's Windows Mobile Department that told me this...
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Ok now I have 2 questions for all of you.
Is what T-mobile told me true?
Is there a cheaper way to get unlimited GPRS internet than T-Mobile's $19.99 Total Internet package?
The only time I use my GPRS is to update WeatherPanel and when I am using the OZ Instant Messenger. All other time I spend on the internet is with WIFI turned on and GPRS turned off.
Please, all help will be greatly appreciated and well received.
Thanks in advance, your friendly neighborhood computer geek, Dan.
Well I hope I can help answer your question somewhat.
I do not pay for the GPRS service through Tmobile, I try not to use it at all. If I pull data through it then I am charged. But if i use a wifi hotspot then Tmobile will not charge me. In truth they should have no way of telling if and when I use a WiFi connection. The reason the rep told you this was really a twisting of the truth. He can probably get away with telling you this because it will cut your access to Tmobile HotSpots which you get access to with the data plan. Sneaky sneaky bastards, you should post this little tale on http://consumerist.com/ .
To answer the second if Tmobile is your carrier then NO I dont believe you can get GPRS data from another carrier. Unless your phone is sim unlocked and you choose to use another carrier to get your data through, but this will need you to switch sims out. Either way your gonna pay for it. I would hold out till 1-2 quarter of 2008 Tmobile will start its HSDPA role out, providing upwards of 3Mbps for data. Of course you will need a phone capable of HSDPA, but such is life.
If I am uninformed of another method maybe someone here will be so kind as to enlighten us.
ritalin said:
Well I hope I can help answer your question somewhat.
I do not pay for the GPRS service through Tmobile, I try not to use it at all. If I pull data through it then I am charged. But if i use a wifi hotspot then Tmobile will not charge me. In truth they should have no way of telling if and when I use a WiFi connection. The reason the rep told you this was really a twisting of the truth. He can probably get away with telling you this because it will cut your access to Tmobile HotSpots which you get access to with the data plan. Sneaky sneaky bastards, you should post this little tale on http://consumerist.com/ .
To answer the second if Tmobile is your carrier then NO I dont believe you can get GPRS data from another carrier. Unless your phone is sim unlocked and you choose to use another carrier to get your data through, but this will need you to switch sims out. Either way your gonna pay for it. I would hold out till 1-2 quarter of 2008 Tmobile will start its HSDPA role out, providing upwards of 3Mbps for data. Of course you will need a phone capable of HSDPA, but such is life.
If I am uninformed of another method maybe someone here will be so kind as to enlighten us.
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I figured T-Mobile was full of S**T... I know I can access the internet via WIFI even without a sim card in the device. I only use it at home or in hospitals anyway. Like I said though, the GPRS for me, is just for WeatherPanel. That's why I am trying to find a cheaper way...
Thank you for your help though. Not the answer I was hoping for but very grateful non the less.
Dan.
You won't get charged for using wifi. If weather panel is all you really use GPRS for then go to the 5.99 plan. That's what I use and have no problem using weather panel or even browsing the web. The other day I even streamed video over it, although GPRS is way too slow to be any use for that but I wanted to see if it worked. The only apps that I know of that do have problems are mostly IM apps since they have most of the ports that those programs use blocked on the 5.99 plan.
Just realized that you said that you use OZ IM, I'm not sure if that will work or not, I can't seem to get it to work with WM6.
You will not be charged per kilobyte, whoever told you that was either new or retarded. The only difference you will see is that your instant messaging will go thru text messages instead of wifi, charging you per message, to log in, to log out, etc. That's due to the way the OZ instant messaging is written. The 5.99 has been working for a lot of people, but it was a glitch in the system that is slowly being fixed market by market, so don't get upset if it doesn't work for you or if it suddenly stops working, as it was never meant to work. If you connect thru wifi, you won't pay anything as it's your connection thru wifi to your phone's wifi, and the T-Mobile network is nowhere in the mix. Again, the Instant Messaging will be billed as text messages.
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You will not be charged per kilobyte, whoever told you that was either new or retarded. The only difference you will see is that your instant messaging will go thru text messages instead of wifi, charging you per message, to log in, to log out, etc. That's due to the way the OZ instant messaging is written. The 5.99 has been working for a lot of people, but it was a glitch in the system that is slowly being fixed market by market, so don't get upset if it doesn't work for you or if it suddenly stops working, as it was never meant to work. If you connect thru wifi, you won't pay anything as it's your connection thru wifi to your phone's wifi, and the T-Mobile network is nowhere in the mix. Again, the Instant Messaging will be billed as text messages.
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That is really good to know. Can you tell me or direct me to a thread that explains the real difference between the 5.99 plan and the 19.99 Total Internet Package?
i don't know about the question you had, but I've had the other extreme as far as Tmo's customer support/tech support... always been great to me. Even after 2 refurbs.
Whoever told you that you'd be charged using Wi-Fi was either full of it or was ASSUMING you would then be accessing T-Mo services...why would you? Just use whatever service you use from home.
I use my MDA with Wi-Fi in my house ALL the time and it has NOTHING to do with T-Mobile. It's not EDGE/GPRS--it's a totally different technology, just like hooking your wireless laptop up to your home router.
Furthermore, you can use the Wi-Fi with T-Mobile Hot Spots if you have that subscription with ANY Wi-Fi computer you have--no reason to have more than one Hot Spot account--many hotels now have it, not just Starbucks.
T-Mobile NOW forces you to pay for Hot Spots with Internet Service as a bundle but they are different technologies.
The Internet Service is EDGE/GPRS and that is a CELLULAR service and is programmed into your SIM chip. I use that too. My MDA can hook into eMail and web sites without a Wi-Fi connection via the cell modem. But it's not nearly as fast.
I actually have 2 SIM chips with this service--I got one for my old IPAQ6315, but that's in the MDA. The one in the MDA is in my notebook computer--it has a Cingular Sony Ericsson cellular modem that I got the unlock code for, and put the chip from the MDA in there--I ALSO can use my notebook with EDGE/GPRS, or Wi-Fi (or even RJ45) connections.
I have the eMail for my regular eMail routed to my MDA--no messing with another address. So it's working a lot like a Blackberry as well.
Finally, you asked if there's a cheaper alternative: There is. It's called "T-Zones" and it's T-Mo's WAP service, for $6 or $7/month. It gives you the limited access you get on cell phones, and you already have it with the fancier internet access--click on T-Zones and you'll see it.
Generally, with T-Mo, service is a waste of time till you get to Level 2. But if you get to Level 3, then you get the techs that really know their business. The PDA support can be similar. But you got to jump through a lot of hoops to reach that level and that can take 30-45 minutes on the phone. Be persistent.
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That is really good to know. Can you tell me or direct me to a thread that explains the real difference between the 5.99 plan and the 19.99 Total Internet Package?
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the 19.99 plan gives you your actual connection to the GPRS/EDGE(and in 4 test markets 3G! T-Mobile bought a whole lot of 3g network up recently.) network (internet2.voicestream.com), by connecting thru this route you are given access to the ports required to get to full websites, as well as email servers, etc.
the 5.99 plan is your basic wap access, t-zones and other wap sites. It's what is used by motorola's, samsungs, basic phones. Gives you access to your account information from T-Mobile's wap sites (but not on an mda running less than wm6 and having had the tzones applett installed), accuweather's website, and other wap websites. By connecting thru the wap APN, you are directed thru a filter that doesn't allow you full access to normal websites.
Now, T-Mobile has a glitch in their system where every now and then you get 5.99 internet and your number isn't put into the filter, so the ports that were supposed to be closed off to you never were, and you can browse and email just as if you had the 19.99 feature. The only problem? They know of the glitch and are closing it market by market, which has been taking the better part of 7 months now, but it's not that far from being finished.
Almost all programs you have installed on the mda that are third party will default to what ever internet connection is available, however, the OZ instant messaging program from the MDA and almost all other T-Mobile PDA's is written specifically to use the SMS (short message system) as the next backup if you aren't connected thru the internet2.voicestream.com, or blackberry.net apn if you are using a blackberry, so if you are connected thru wifi, then you will be charged text for each message.
Hope this helps, if not, let me know.
Johnny
so i just noticed this today (i have the leaked ROM installed) that when i am using the web or checking my email if someone calls they go straight to my voice mail -- i haven't had the phone long enough to know if this is how it is supposed to be or not. Is there a way to get to cancel the data connection and show me someone is calling?
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so i just noticed this today (i have the leaked ROM installed) that when i am using the web or checking my email if someone calls they go straight to my voice mail -- i haven't had the phone long enough to know if this is how it is supposed to be or not. Is there a way to get to cancel the data connection and show me someone is calling?
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Wow -- what a kewl feature!
What phone/provider and rom do you have?
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Wow -- what a kewl feature!
What phone/provider and rom do you have?
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no, not really, at least not for those of us who use push email, since it maintains a constant data connection to the exchange server
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=351797&highlight=EVDO
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=351797&highlight=EVDO
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well i read through that and tried what they mentioned but i couldn't get it to drop the data when a call came in.
btw, i'm on Sprint, and no EVDO where i am at so only 1x.
but as i mention in the thread
"i believe that all issues with cellphone internet blocking or being disabled when one recieve a call is purely an issue
with old and poor quality equipment of the cellphone operator in the area"
many old gsm and aparently american cellphone networks too
suffer from not being able to handle both network and calls at the same time
it's an issue in the operator end not the phones
yeah after three emails with sprint (i think most of their CS people are brain dead) they finally told me that it is how it works, no way around it.
one told me that calls go to voice mail when you don't have enough signal -- totally irrelevent to this issue
one told me it was a technical problem with my phone and said i should bring it to a sprint store to get a tech to look at it
and finally after *****ed at them sayint that people (that i assume) don't work for sprint know more about this (thanks Rudegar for your responces) then they do, they finally just came out and said that, yeah this is how it is and there isn't anyway around it.
it seems that this is a better place to get answers then emailing sprint --- although i should have realized that from the beginning, i won't make that mistake again.
well i guess your question has been answered, but figure id add my 2 cents...
it works like this only in EV-DO areas not on 1x....
my ring through works perfectly fine when a call or text comes in, it discconects allows me to do what i want, then it automatically reconnects back to data..
Has anyone been able to get MMS working on the T-Mobile HD2 using AT&T's network?
I downloaded and installed the network wizard cab from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=250891&d=1259353814
Still cannot get MMS to work. I also made sure the proxy was enabled. All settings appear to be correct, is this AT&T pouting because they didn't get this device?
so your tmoUS HD2 is unlocked?
Yes, it works...
I have a T9193 operating on ATT in the US. MMS works great (you can send photos, videos and others) without a hitch.
All I did was install a ROM from the many ones available here (I'm no expert; I used one of Artemis' ROMs). Works great.
DSmithZ28 said:
is this AT&T pouting because they didn't get this device?
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I and many other AT&T users have been using this phone since its European release and have had MMS working without a hitch. For $10 a month data plan and edge speeds ~500 +, I don't really see AT&T making a fuss whether it has this phone or not.
Yeah, I got mine unlocked over the weekend at htc-unlocker.org... 30 bucks but it was worth it....
I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get my MMS working... Text is working, Data is working, but no MMS.... Any ideas??
hey guys i figured out how to get mms on tmous hd2.
1.http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=88058&d=1211735066 install this first
2.the install http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=269964&d=1263970936 then your mms will me enabled
Yes!
I had previously set up my Edge network and it took me awhile to find the MMS settings.
From the Home page go to...
Messages/All Messages/Menu/Settings/Options/Menu/MMS Server/New
Server Name: Cingular MMS
Gateway: 66.209.11.32 (This is wireless.cingular.com)
Port number: 80
Server address: http://mmsc.cingular.com
Connect via: MEdia Net
Sending size limitation: 300k
WAP Version: WAP 2.0
Then use menu and set it as default.
Go get your messages!!!
Hows the speed on edge? I am thinking about buying Tmobile HD2 and use it on AT&T.
Thank god I found this, hopefully
Well, I have been at this since 1pm on 3/30 and it is now 3am on 3/31. Just as I was about to call it a night I found this and thought it might be where I need to be at. I copied Paradigm_Shift's settings which is something i had been looking for all night, since the HD2 input is different from pretty much everything else on att forums, etc. So i have Paradigm's MMS settings. My next question for your Paradigm is what is your MediaNet set to?
Quick backround, i got my HD2 about 2 days before with the wal mart glitch, called tmobile for a free unlock (even though it wasnt out and i wasnt a customer ever, no idea how that worked). Got my unlock code the day the phone was released. And just today (yesterday now) realized i couldnt do MMS. I have unlimited texts with AT&T which include MMS so i know thats not the problem. I just know it has to be my MediaNet settings. So if yours is working, Paradigm, would you mind posting and I can compare? Ive honestly exhausted wwhat I thought was every possible way, so im hoping when I see yours or someone that has MMS working, i will find my error and be on my way with the best/sexiest smartphone eva! Thanks in advance to anyone who can help. Like i said, ive been at this for essentially a day and had to post. The closest thing i ever found was this which contained a cab file that created media net profile but apparently doesnt work (obviously):
..... okay nevermind, i guess n00bs cant post links so ill just say it was on a site called fuzemobility and the author was Doug Smith, his latest article.
Thanks again. Ill be checking this tomorrow after work........ which is in 4 hours. FML. This phone has already consumed me.
Oh yes, quick side note- theres no way for AT&T to tell what phone we have and force a data plan onto us (for those of us that dont) since this is technically a tmo phone, right? *Fingers crossed*
mutantblack said:
Hows the speed on edge? I am thinking about buying Tmobile HD2 and use it on AT&T.
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I really have not noticed much of a difference.
But there is this....
AT&T users: +500kbps on EDGE
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=627318&highlight=edge+speed
I will be testing it today.
Paradigm_Shift
Any response to my first post?
Thanks if you do.
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Well, I have been at this since 1pm on 3/30 and it is now 3am on 3/31. Just as I was about to call it a night I found this and thought it might be where I need to be at. I copied Paradigm_Shift's settings which is something i had been looking for all night, since the HD2 input is different from pretty much everything else on att forums, etc. So i have Paradigm's MMS settings. My next question for your Paradigm is what is your MediaNet set to?
Quick backround, i got my HD2 about 2 days before with the wal mart glitch, called tmobile for a free unlock (even though it wasnt out and i wasnt a customer ever, no idea how that worked). Got my unlock code the day the phone was released. And just today (yesterday now) realized i couldnt do MMS. I have unlimited texts with AT&T which include MMS so i know thats not the problem. I just know it has to be my MediaNet settings. So if yours is working, Paradigm, would you mind posting and I can compare? Ive honestly exhausted wwhat I thought was every possible way, so im hoping when I see yours or someone that has MMS working, i will find my error and be on my way with the best/sexiest smartphone eva! Thanks in advance to anyone who can help. Like i said, ive been at this for essentially a day and had to post. The closest thing i ever found was this which contained a cab file that created media net profile but apparently doesnt work (obviously):
..... okay nevermind, i guess n00bs cant post links so ill just say it was on a site called fuzemobility and the author was Doug Smith, his latest article.
Thanks again. Ill be checking this tomorrow after work........ which is in 4 hours. FML. This phone has already consumed me.
Oh yes, quick side note- theres no way for AT&T to tell what phone we have and force a data plan onto us (for those of us that dont) since this is technically a tmo phone, right? *Fingers crossed*
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Wow, really glad to have helped.
Here is what I used...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362586
The path there is lightly different.
Home Page/Settings/Wireless Controls/Data connection/Advanced/Select Networks
And I only used the MEdia Net settings.
He also has an additional connection "AT&T ISP:"
which is used for tethering. (I currently do not know if we are going to need this b/c of the possible wifi router ability).
I found this additional support information from AT&T. It gives you a solid foundation.
MEdia Net: http://www.wireless.att.com/answer-center/main.jsp?t=solutionTab&solutionId=KB84444
MMS: http://www.wireless.att.com/answer-center/main.jsp?t=solutionTab&solutionId=62373
Plot Thickens
Thanks a lot for the response Paradigm. Honestly, this post started with "Looks like the search continues." But no less than 10 seconds ago, i got the HTC jingle that my message had downloaded!!!!! Oh my god! Honestly, the only thing i noticed that I changed were PORT numbers for proxy. Just because I know how stressful this was for me, I am going to post pictures of each page of the MediaNet setup when I get off work to hopefully help someone else.
Again, thanks Paradigm a thousand times. Its funny because I do remember getting that site from google earlier in the night, but I was so sure the medianet settings were already set correctly from a cab file i downloaded. So happy to see I now get my MMS
Of course, this amazing news is somewhat dampended by the following text I just received from AT&T -
"Did you know a data plan is required for your SMartphone?"
followed almost immediately by the text
"Your smartphone requires a data plan. We had added the appropriate plan for your smartphone. Call 611 for more info"
*Sigh* So I guess my hopes and dreams of staying on my wifi undetected are thwarted once again by AT&T. I just dont get it though, its not an AT&T phone so how did they figure it out? I even posted/asked multiple forums (albeit all but xda, of course ) if buying the HD2 and unlocking it to AT&T if AT&T would be able to figure it out and incur data charges/plans. If you google that phrase Im sure it is my question your reading, lol. And essentially every answer was no. I dont know, maybe ill have to resort to this cooked ROM stuff? Not sure if that will help or not. Im gonna call the 611 number and try and explain that I popped my SIM card in someone elses phone for a day to test it out. Hopefully it will atleast buy me some time to figure out a way around it.
I have MoDaCo's NoData .cab program installed so I know the only data being sent was for MediaNet (for MMS).
But again, Paradigm, thanks for atleast getting me to receive MMS. I now understand why XDA rules. If anyone has any advice/tips/etc on my now current dilemma, go ahead and post it and Ill give it a shot.
Look to seeing those pics posted sometime after i get off work around 5ish (arizona/west coast time).
Happy I decided to join the community.
Finch44 said:
Of course, this amazing news is somewhat dampended by the following text I just received from AT&T -
"Did you know a data plan is required for your SMartphone?"
followed almost immediately by the text
"Your smartphone requires a data plan. We had added the appropriate plan for your smartphone. Call 611 for more info"
*Sigh* So I guess my hopes and dreams of staying on my wifi undetected are thwarted once again by AT&T. I just dont get it though, its not an AT&T phone so how did they figure it out? I even posted/asked multiple forums (albeit all but xda, of course ) if buying the HD2 and unlocking it to AT&T if AT&T would be able to figure it out and incur data charges/plans. If you google that phrase Im sure it is my question your reading, lol. And essentially every answer was no. I dont know, maybe ill have to resort to this cooked ROM stuff? Not sure if that will help or not. Im gonna call the 611 number and try and explain that I popped my SIM card in someone elses phone for a day to test it out. Hopefully it will atleast buy me some time to figure out a way around it.
I have MoDaCo's NoData .cab program installed so I know the only data being sent was for MediaNet (for MMS).
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Hmm, I wonder if AT&T and T-Mobile are sharing IMEI numbers for certain devices.
Exactly
Ya, thats the only thing I can think of. I know I messed with alot of internet settings in order to get MediaNet working but at worst I would think AT&T would think "Hey he's just accidentally hitting browse or something"
I just dont see how its possible. Im trying to log in online to see if my phone shows up as a smartphone or still my ancient SE W510i.
hey i posted it on post 6
Current Phone
So I just checked online and it says my current phone is:
RIM
7290
but still shows a picture of my W510i.
So obviously the HD2 wouldnt be in their system and this is possibly their default unit when it doesnt recognize/have the phone in their system
eastside770
IN response to: eastside770 hey i posted it on post 6
I downloaded both of the files and installed them in that order. Then I couldnt find anything to do with them on my phone? I went to file explorer and all i can click on is a voicemail icon and an MMS icon that does nothing. Does this require a ROM mod or anything? I apologize if its obvious. Like i said, this is my first smartphone But ya, I installed both of them on my storage card, good to go. Soft reset. Nothing new though: Where am I supposed to see these apps at or see the results/edit them?
Thanks,
Ryan
Also, is this in response to getting MediaNet set up or so AT&T doesnt know Im on a another phone (I dont know, maybe this messaging client hides stuff from AT&T somehow )
They sent you a lovely text about implementing a data plan on your phone because you're using MMS! MMS requires network data (not your wifi) so when someone sends you an MMS or you send them an MMS, it goes through the MMS proxy server that you set up...and VOILA...AT&T knows that you're transmitting data when you don't have a data plan.
So to recap in case you're still wondering why you're getting slap with a data plan:
SMS - no data plan required
MMS - data plan required
If you can't live with MMS, call them up and said it was a mistake and that now you're using an old phone (that's not a smartphone) and just ask them to put you on the regular medianet ($15) plan rather than the PDA/Smartphone ($30) plan that they're putting you on. You save $15 a month and get text as much MMS your heart desire.
I Understand
lude219 -
I understand that. Dont worry Ive asked this before. MMS is included with Unlimited SMS for my plan on AT&T, as is IM as long as it is one of the programs pre-installed on the phone, so it doesnt require a data plan. I have triple checked this. Trust me, ive been going on MMS with no charges on my W510i for the last 3 years, and just recently called about 2 weeks ago to confirm MMS doesnt charge in preparation for the move to HD2. Im going to call and ask. But thanks for the MediaNet tip, kind of like the Tzones hidden plan with Tmobile. Ill give it my best.
Thanks for trying tho lude219! All help is appreciated
Well today I finally had enough of my crappy lack of coverage with att, and called their cancelations line.
Once on the line I asked how much it would cost me to cut ties with them. The csr on the phone gave me the info and then asked why I wanted to leave them. I was honest and told them I didn't want to leave but as it stands, I have virtually no coverage where I live and can not make phone calls. I also explained that it had been that way for years and I was tired of having no service and having to call and register complaints daily.
Well after I finished he told me I could have a microcell for free. He notated my account and then told me to just stop by the local store and they would give it to me.
I now have a nice little microcell in the house.
Figured I would share with all those who Need one and can't get it.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App
So you're paying to fix AT&T's problem? MicroCell's are the second biggest scam on the planet.
barry99705 said:
So you're paying to fix AT&T's problem? MicroCell's are the second biggest scam on the planet.
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He said it was free..how is he paying?I mean yeah he has to pay for his service but thats nothing new, he'd been doing that...
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So you're paying to fix AT&T's problem? MicroCell's are the second biggest scam on the planet.
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If you had read my other post on this subject a month ago, you would know my thoughts on microcells and AT&Ts scam. Trust me, I ranted and raved enough on it.
The device itself is a good idea as a great deal of my calls are VOIP calls anyways. If I am going to use my network to make phone calls, I might as well use the Micro Cell I got for free to make certain my business clients can call me when I am at home.
As for the plan they offer, I did not need to sign up for the $20 a month plan for unlimited calling because with A List, Mobile to Mobile, Night and weekends, and 1400 minutes with rollover, I never need extra minutes. I think I used 800 minutes last month on the minutes portion and probably 3000 plus on the other portions.
Remember, the microcell only works with my devices or ones I list (up to 10) so everyone else in my neighborhood can either kiss off or go get their own.
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He said it was free..how is he paying?I mean yeah he has to pay for his service but thats nothing new, he'd been doing that...
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Because he is using his electricity and bandwidth because AT&T's inadequate network. I think the microcell is a crock too. Whats a even bigger crock is people tht have to pay for it. Not only they pay for the device, an extra fee in addition to the above.
I would rather see them adopt Tmobile's Wifi calling.. Free, no extra devices to plug in, and it's use is purely up to the user.
I have spotty coverage at home and work. Should I have to buy two microcells or use use the existing Wifi at both locations?
My .02
joshyy_rey said:
He said it was free..how is he paying?I mean yeah he has to pay for his service but thats nothing new, he'd been doing that...
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Unless AT&T is reimbursing him for the data, he's paying for it. Doesn't matter if he would have already had internet service or not. With microcells the carrier doesn't have to fix their network, they just have to sell people these little boxes and still charge too much for their service.
DarrellRaines said:
Remember, the microcell only works with my devices or ones I list (up to 10) so everyone else in my neighborhood can either kiss off or go get their own.
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Cool, they changed the software then. Before it was those 10 get preference, but there was no way to exempt other phones from using it.
"I would rather see them adopt Tmobile's Wifi calling.. Free, no extra devices to plug in, and it's use is purely up to the user."
Since this is about an ANDROID phone...You can do the same thing, unlimited WiFi VOIP calling with your Atrix and any WiFi connection.
The poorly documented solution is to get a GoogleVoice number, and enable GVoice on your cell phone. Once you enable it, it will always pop up before a call is placed, asking you if you want to place it with GVoice (over WiFi) or not. If you select GVoice it uses your GVoice number and the free wifi. If you say not, it uses the cellular.
And if you just give people your GVoice number, you get their calls no matter where you are or what phone is ringing, they all work together. You just don't need to give out your cell phone number, you just say "this (gvoice) number rings all my phones."
There's a lot more it can do.
Rred said:
"I would rather see them adopt Tmobile's Wifi calling.. Free, no extra devices to plug in, and it's use is purely up to the user."
Since this is about an ANDROID phone...You can do the same thing, unlimited WiFi VOIP calling with your Atrix and any WiFi connection.
The poorly documented solution is to get a GoogleVoice number, and enable GVoice on your cell phone. Once you enable it, it will always pop up before a call is placed, asking you if you want to place it with GVoice (over WiFi) or not. If you select GVoice it uses your GVoice number and the free wifi. If you say not, it uses the cellular.
And if you just give people your GVoice number, you get their calls no matter where you are or what phone is ringing, they all work together. You just don't need to give out your cell phone number, you just say "this (gvoice) number rings all my phones."
There's a lot more it can do.
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I finally got that working with PBXes and Sipdroid but it wasn't nearly user friendly as T-Mo's official offering. My biggest qualm was having my google password stored insecurely on PBXes servers.
Sorry for the threadjack
Rred said:
"I would rather see them adopt Tmobile's Wifi calling.. Free, no extra devices to plug in, and it's use is purely up to the user."
Since this is about an ANDROID phone...You can do the same thing, unlimited WiFi VOIP calling with your Atrix and any WiFi connection.
The poorly documented solution is to get a GoogleVoice number, and enable GVoice on your cell phone. Once you enable it, it will always pop up before a call is placed, asking you if you want to place it with GVoice (over WiFi) or not. If you select GVoice it uses your GVoice number and the free wifi. If you say not, it uses the cellular.
And if you just give people your GVoice number, you get their calls no matter where you are or what phone is ringing, they all work together. You just don't need to give out your cell phone number, you just say "this (gvoice) number rings all my phones."
There's a lot more it can do.
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Google Voice uses data to tell Google that you are dialing through the google voice number. It has never been wifi calling and it probably never will be. I don't know where you got that idea, I've been using google voice since day one. The only 'wifi' part is if you call from google talk or gmail. (Why can't you call on the Google Voice page???)
scoob8000 said:
Because he is using his electricity and bandwidth because AT&T's inadequate network. I think the microcell is a crock too. Whats a even bigger crock is people tht have to pay for it. Not only they pay for the device, an extra fee in addition to the above.
I would rather see them adopt Tmobile's Wifi calling.. Free, no extra devices to plug in, and it's use is purely up to the user.
I have spotty coverage at home and work. Should I have to buy two microcells or use use the existing Wifi at both locations?
My .02
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Ahhh gotcha..never really looked at it that way ha
barry99705 said:
Unless AT&T is reimbursing him for the data, he's paying for it. Doesn't matter if he would have already had internet service or not. With microcells the carrier doesn't have to fix their network, they just have to sell people these little boxes and still charge too much for their service.
Cool, they changed the software then. Before it was those 10 get preference, but there was no way to exempt other phones from using it.
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I've had the microcell from the day it launched. I always had to authorize a number before it could connect to the microcell.
Guys, I posted this as a help post for those that need it, not to start an argument over our crappy carriers towers.
Yes I am using my bandwidth and electricity, but i am willing to sacrifice a. Dollar or two a. Month for better service and considering I have a 60 meg down and 6 meg up circuit, I think I can spare the bandwidth.
For those who don't know, you don't have to have the unlimited $20 a month microcell calling feature if you don't want it.
Now let's just. Let those who need the information and device know how to get. If. Free.
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Before it was those 10 get preference, but there was no way to exempt other phones from using it.
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Wrong. I wont elaborate, your just wrong.
Kind of related and kind of not:
Today for the first time I had to unplug the microcell and use Atts service at the house.. I was uploading (a lot of) music to the cloud and on Charter I only get 2up. I could hear everybody just fine (download), but I was told my words (upload) were cutting in and out. Only one bar here w Att but it was better than with the Mcell, or so I was told. First time thats happened in a year, but def not the first time Ive been uploading + talking.
I love people that hate on the micro cell. If you have bad service with Verizon, guess what your options are? Shove off, or go to RadioShack and buy a signal repeater, which the cheapest one is $250 and can only support one active connection at a time. You'll spend $350-$400 for on one that can support up to 4 connections. Oh, and if it can't grab signal, your sol. No, AT&T isn't going to spend $6m to put a tower in everyone's backyard. Almost everyone who is in a bad coverage area has a free MicroCell offer on their account. Go to your local store, and ask them to check your PCA, they will probably have you listed for a free one, then your on your way. If a microcell uses $0.10 in electricity per month, I'd be surprised.
The micro cell has always forced you to provision 10 numbers, and all others can not access your data. Don't make stuff up just to make someone look bad please.
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Wrong. I wont elaborate, your just wrong.
Kind of related and kind of not:
Today for the first time I had to unplug the microcell and use Atts service at the house.. I was uploading (a lot of) music to the cloud and on Charter I only get 2up. I could hear everybody just fine (download), but I was told my words (upload) were cutting in and out. Only one bar here w Att but it was better than with the Mcell, or so I was told. First time thats happened in a year, but def not the first time Ive been uploading + talking.
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Are you a google music beta user? If so the app by dsfualt uses the maximum bandwidth possible for uploads. Try dropping the upload to a max of 512kps or switch you router to use qos for the device.
Just a thought.
For all you fks arvueing about the google voice calling, i assure you, google voice is not a voip client by default. It does nit give you wifi calling. It only connects to data the first few seconds in order to make the call and then you use you regular cell minutes.
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link12245 said:
I love people that hate on the micro cell. If you have bad service with Verizon, guess what your options are? Shove off, or go to RadioShack and buy a signal repeater, which the cheapest one is $250 and can only support one active connection at a time. You'll spend $350-$400 for on one that can support up to 4 connections. Oh, and if it can't grab signal, your sol. No, AT&T isn't going to spend $6m to put a tower in everyone's backyard. Almost everyone who is in a bad coverage area has a free MicroCell offer on their account. Go to your local store, and ask them to check your PCA, they will probably have you listed for a free one, then your on your way. If a microcell uses $0.10 in electricity per month, I'd be surprised.
The micro cell has always forced you to provision 10 numbers, and all others can not access your data. Don't make stuff up just to make someone look bad please.
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More wrong.
Verizon has a femtocell too, its called the "network extender".
Whats with all the misinformation in this thread!?
DarrellRaines said:
Are you a google music beta user? If so the app by dsfualt uses the maximum bandwidth possible for uploads. Try dropping the upload to a max of 512kps or switch you router to use qos for the device.
Just a thought.
For all you fks arvueing about the google voice calling, i assure you, google voice is not a voip client by default. It does nit give you wifi calling. It only connects to data the first few seconds in order to make the call and then you use you regular cell minutes.
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Thanks for the gMusic tip, I have that account but Im using mostly Amazon.
I had thought about the setting the QoS, i may search for the ports later today.
GrooveIP will let you make calls with your GV# over internet, no service, no sim required.
Mgamerz, you shold try reading a post and then finding out for yourself if it is true, before you say it is impossible.
Let me repeat this in small clear words: YOU CAN PLACE GVOICE CALLS, USING YOUR WIFI CONNECTION AND ZERO CELLULAR DATA OR VOICE TIME, FROM ANY ANDROID PHONE.
The Google Voice software that ships for every Android phone, has a POORLY DOCUMENTED OPTION that allows for a pop-up box on the cell phone every time you place an outgoing call. Assuming thta your cell phone HAS A WIFI RADIO and HAS AN ACTIVE WIFI CONNECTION, to your own router, or Starbuck's, or whoever?
That pop-up tells GVoice to either:
a) place the call use GVoice over Wifi instead of using the cellular system, having GVoice connect to both parties the same way it would if you placed the call from your computer, or
b) step aside and let the cell phone place a celluar call over the cell system as it normally would.
If you have an Android phone, and you have Google Voice installed on it, look at the options to "Use Google Voice". It isn't obvious, but it is there, and I use it every day without using any cellular minutes. My counter widgets confirm this. So does my bill.
OH DUH! The geeks at Google are just real real poor at documentation. With all their products, not just this one.
Rred said:
Mgamerz, you shold try reading a post and then finding out for yourself if it is true, before you say it is impossible.
Let me repeat this in small clear words: YOU CAN PLACE GVOICE CALLS, USING YOUR WIFI CONNECTION AND ZERO CELLULAR DATA OR VOICE TIME, FROM ANY ANDROID PHONE.
The Google Voice software that ships for every Android phone, has a POORLY DOCUMENTED OPTION that allows for a pop-up box on the cell phone every time you place an outgoing call. Assuming thta your cell phone HAS A WIFI RADIO and HAS AN ACTIVE WIFI CONNECTION, to your own router, or Starbuck's, or whoever?
That pop-up tells GVoice to either:
a) place the call use GVoice over Wifi instead of using the cellular system, having GVoice connect to both parties the same way it would if you placed the call from your computer, or
b) step aside and let the cell phone place a celluar call over the cell system as it normally would.
If you have an Android phone, and you have Google Voice installed on it, look at the options to "Use Google Voice". It isn't obvious, but it is there, and I use it every day without using any cellular minutes. My counter widgets confirm this. So does my bill.
OH DUH! The geeks at Google are just real real poor at documentation. With all their products, not just this one.
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Wow at the lies.
Take your sim card out, you wont be able to make calls. Same if you dont have cell coverage, you WONT be able to make calls. Unless you are using GrooveIP, this app will allow voip calling w/o coverage.
Google voice alone will not provide a true VOIP calling experience, you must also have cell coverage. The end.
Rred said:
Mgamerz, you shold try reading a post and then finding out for yourself if it is true, before you say it is impossible.
Let me repeat this in small clear words: YOU CAN PLACE GVOICE CALLS, USING YOUR WIFI CONNECTION AND ZERO CELLULAR DATA OR VOICE TIME, FROM ANY ANDROID PHONE.
The Google Voice software that ships for every Android phone, has a POORLY DOCUMENTED OPTION that allows for a pop-up box on the cell phone every time you place an outgoing call. Assuming thta your cell phone HAS A WIFI RADIO and HAS AN ACTIVE WIFI CONNECTION, to your own router, or Starbuck's, or whoever?
That pop-up tells GVoice to either:
a) place the call use GVoice over Wifi instead of using the cellular system, having GVoice connect to both parties the same way it would if you placed the call from your computer, or
b) step aside and let the cell phone place a celluar call over the cell system as it normally would.
If you have an Android phone, and you have Google Voice installed on it, look at the options to "Use Google Voice". It isn't obvious, but it is there, and I use it every day without using any cellular minutes. My counter widgets confirm this. So does my bill.
OH DUH! The geeks at Google are just real real poor at documentation. With all their products, not just this one.
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Wow you sir are an idiot. That function is to send out the calls via you gv number or your cell number, not route all calls through a magical nonexistent voip service that google offers.
Wiredpirate is correct that the only way to do it is through a voice service that he mentioned or through another sip gateway
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Right i might seem abit paranoid here but how hard is it for someone to hack into your mobile either by phone or telephone number / sim carrier and track your messages or where you are located etc. I may of pissed of some druggies and are well connected ie know software developers who work for service providers! etc!
They are the type of people who blame someone for there problems ie Tripped over a pavement when drunk and will try and get even with the pavement slab by jabbing it or something . I don't think there is anyway for them to do this but just wanted to make sure
ps my phone is a Samsung GT-S5620 on the network tesco :good:
i think it might be possible, but not fully...
hacking through just the telephone number...
(Maybe tapping into your calls and messages / logging your 3G data)
but not physically going through your phones system...
maybe WiFi hack...
prevent
Jomari29 said:
i think it might be possible, but not fully...
hacking through just the telephone number...
(Maybe tapping into your calls and messages / logging your 3G data)
but not physically going through your phones system...
maybe WiFi hack...
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Hmm i only have pay n go and don't 3g on when out! Any idea on how to prevent this stuff! In all honesty i am looking into getting an iPhone with a new network possibly giffgaff