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sim card cloning

hello ppl .....i no i am sounding a little over the top but is it possible in any way 2 clone ur simcard in order 2 have the same number i.e cellular fone number on another sim card as well. BUT USING THE XDA 2
IS THERE ANY SOFTWARE CREATED THAT JUST COPIES THE SIM THRU USB CRADLE AND WHEN U PLACE A NEW SIM IN IT IT JUST CLONES IT DIRECTLY ..... IF ANY ONE KNOWS OF ANY SUCH SOFTWARE PLZ REPLY TO THIS POST OR PM ME THANX A LOT

To answer your question is it possible, yes, but I wouldn't recommend it. To start I think it's illegal, and certain hardware and software is required. It would be handy though to use a smaller phone during a night on the p*ss without having to remove the battery and thus hard resetting :evil:

nice topic raunak ......
i am also searching for the same .
dont know anything about it yet if it is possible.
but as twichibi said its illegal.
i am searching for it ,
will post link if i found something interesting.

Some background:
To make clone you need:
1. Buy some kind of "microcomputer" incorprated into sim-size plastic smart card (a PIC16F877 controller with additional flash memory: "Green card" / "Silver card" or other models)
2. Program this microcontroller with firmware that emulates functionality of GSM SIM card (check http://simemu.cjb.net/ ). To reprogram PIC controller you need specific smart card programmator. And this is impossible with any mobile phone or HTC hardware.
OR 1+2: buy ready-to-use empty multisim card. There are should be a lot of them available via internet.
3. "Hack" original SIM card to extract IMSI and Ki parameters using old SIM security weakness. There are such software (e.g. search for sim_scan2). Note, that this operation is not safe: you may broke your SIM due to limitations by SIM card provider. And NOT ALL of the SIM card may be cracked in such way because some of the operators use newer SIMs. This step requires another kind of SIM card reader (Phoenix) and technically may be done with HTC hardware. BUT there are no sim_scan - like software for WinCE.
4. Enter IMSI and Ki parameters into SIM emulator. This may be done with any phone or HTC hardware via SIM menu.
That's the story. One more note: please do not ask someone (untrusted person or company) to find Ki&IMSI from your SIM. This will give them the possibility to create and use clones of your SIM card And I also saw the modified sim_scan which silently e-mail your Ki&IMSI to someone after hacking
Links:
http://www.multisimcard.ru/ (Russian only)
http://ucables.com/products/simcards/index.htm
http://simemu.cjb.net/
http://forum.web-hack.ru/index.php?showtopic=15200 (Russian only)

Which dual sim holder for the EXEC?

am interested in using my 2g O2 sim & my 3g O2 sim in the exec, as i have 2 separate contracts. What product would you recommend? will the XDA II ghost dual sim holder fit/work? and is the combination of 2g & 3g sims possible? Thanks

dual sim holder
just oredred an xda exec and have the same query regarding dual sim holders. i will be using orange and 3 network sim. has anyone found out if the xda2s dual sim holder is compatible with this device?? thanks in advance

How do these work then? Say I'm using one sim for voice and one for data, obviously I can't use both at the same time (or can I?). So, when I want to go online, do I press some key combo and then the handset soft resets? Can it be made to automatically redirect all calls to the other sim and then cancel diverts when I swap back?

normally 2 sim cards go into a holder and the holder has a single sim which goes into the phone. you turn phone on and ONLY ONE sim card is active the other is effectivtly off. turn phone off and on (in our case flight mode) and the SECOND sim is active and first one is off. with some software from wivit you can actually control which sim is on/off from the phone itsel without switching phone on/off and some digital holders provide that facility via STK software built into the XDA phones. that is how twin sims work, but the main question is has anyone tried this with the EXEC model just yet???
So xiasma you could use one for voice and one for data and try to remember which one is on and which is off.

just to update everyone
i took the gamble and bought a dual sim card holder designed for the II/IIi and tried it in my EXEC, and............ IT DIDNT FIT!!! hehehe
guess we'll have to wait for a dedicated EXEC dual sim holder

ishaqmir said:
just to update everyone
i took the gamble and bought a dual sim card holder designed for the II/IIi and tried it in my EXEC, and............ IT DIDNT FIT!!! hehehe
guess we'll have to wait for a dedicated EXEC dual sim holder
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I made it fit!!
I have the same dual sim card holder and in order to make it fit I removed Exec's sim card holder. You can easily remove it by pulling it carefully out. It's pretty easy. Afterwards, place the dual sim card without the sim holder and overturn it. Then place the battery over it and with little push you'll hear the "clip" sound which means that the battery is placed. Finally, place the plastic cover and voila!

nope, tried it. there is no way u can place it under the battery without causing IMMENSE pressure underneath it. will wait till they release one that can lay over the battery as opposed to under it.

ishaqmir said:
nope, tried it. there is no way u can place it under the battery without causing IMMENSE pressure underneath it. will wait till they release one that can lay over the battery as opposed to under it.
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Yes, actually a dual sim holder that could lay over the battery would be better.
However, it's not that bad as you describe. Did you REMOVE the pda's sim card holder before trying doing what I did?? This way you gain more space under the battery.

Hi all
Demon could u please tell us whether u used both 3g n 2 g sim cards with ur daul sim adapter and did u had any problems when u mixed a 2g sim with 3g sim?
Also did any body tried trimming of sims as required for NEW universal digital dual sim as shown on this website
http://www.freeyourmobile.biz/acatalog/dual_sim_cards_.html
Looking forward for more input from others as i definately need a solution to avoid carrying another mob with my Exec.
Thanx in adance
Jatt

jatt said:
Hi all
Demon could u please tell us whether u used both 3g n 2 g sim cards with ur daul sim adapter and did u had any problems when u mixed a 2g sim with 3g sim?
Also did any body tried trimming of sims as required for NEW universal digital dual sim as shown on this website
http://www.freeyourmobile.biz/acatalog/dual_sim_cards_.html
Looking forward for more input from others as i definately need a solution to avoid carrying another mob with my Exec.
Thanx in adance
Jatt
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No, I haven't tried to mix a 2g sim card with a 3g one. Ive done it only wit h 2g ones.
I have also trimmed cards but not for this specific dual card holder. I did it for another one that you had to switch off the phone and on again to change the active number and it worked pretty well.

Hi Demon
Thanx for quick reply
Whats the name of ur dual sim holder which ur using for exec and is this the one which i need?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/xda-IIs-III-L...450764652QQcategoryZ43805QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
And also
Do u hav to switch on and off to use the other sim card or is it the one which gives u a option to choose from sim 1 and sim2 without switching it off?
Thanx again
Jatt

jatt said:
Hi Demon
Thanx for quick reply
Whats the name of ur dual sim holder which ur using for exec and is this the one which i need?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/xda-IIs-III-L...450764652QQcategoryZ43805QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
And also
Do u hav to switch on and off to use the other sim card or is it the one which gives u a option to choose from sim 1 and sim2 without switching it off?
Thanx again
Jatt
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It's the one you have to switch off and on again your phone and I bought it for my XDA IIs I had before from the guy of your link.
Just bear in mind that sometimes it doesn't work on Exec. I mean that even if you switch off and on again, the sim card doesn't change and you've got to do it again. I don't know why this happens, I didn't have such problems with this dual sim card on my XDA IIs.

Did anyone manage to find a dual sim holder that works with 3G USIMs?
I could really do with one, but am struggling to find one

hi
i am awaiting delivery of 2 different type of dual sims,
one which requires the sim card to be trimmed
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....7710&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_ReBay_Pr4_PcY_BIN_IT
the other will take 2 sims with out cutting sim cards
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-No-Cut-Du...ryZ43805QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
also i will try a sim card reader/writer if both of above fails
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-USB-MAGIC...ryZ27330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Have anybody tried this sim card reader/writer, they claim that it can write up to 12 sim info on one sim and u can use any one by just changing it from the options in menu
Any way will post my experience with both 3g and 2g sim cards and with their combination
But if anybody knows anything about this reader/writer please post here ..
Jatt

jatt said:
hi
i am awaiting delivery of 2 different type of dual sims,
one which requires the sim card to be trimmed
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....7710&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_ReBay_Pr4_PcY_BIN_IT
the other will take 2 sims with out cutting sim cards
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-No-Cut-Du...ryZ43805QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
also i will try a sim card reader/writer if both of above fails
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-USB-MAGIC...ryZ27330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Have anybody tried this sim card reader/writer, they claim that it can write up to 12 sim info on one sim and u can use any one by just changing it from the options in menu
Any way will post my experience with both 3g and 2g sim cards and with their combination
But if anybody knows anything about this reader/writer please post here ..
Jatt
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Please let us know about your experience as soon as you try them!

jatt said:
also i will try a sim card reader/writer if both of above fails
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-USB-MAGIC...ryZ27330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Have anybody tried this sim card reader/writer, they claim that it can write up to 12 sim info on one sim and u can use any one by just changing it from the options in menu
Any way will post my experience with both 3g and 2g sim cards and with their combination
But if anybody knows anything about this reader/writer please post here ..
Jatt
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For a start that's a fake product, so god knows how it will perform.
see here http://www.sim-max.com/?language=en...d.php&main=newspage.php&down=en_copyright.htm
I have a sim max reader and 12 in 1 card, but they only work with V1 sim cards (All I've managed to clone is a cpl of really old Orange sim cards)
All the others either just don't copy, or don't copy and feck your sim card!
Nice idea tho :roll:

Hi Hollinshead
Were u able to use them as advertised , like change to different no.s and were able to make calls with them (the old orange sim cards u copied)?
Jatt

jatt said:
Hi Hollinshead
Were u able to use them as advertised , like change to different no.s and were able to make calls with them (the old orange sim cards u copied)?
Jatt
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Yeah it works fine with the orange sim cards, its an amazing piece of kit, not cheap tho!
If only it would work with v1.2 and v2 sims it would be mint!

jatt said:
the other will take 2 sims with out cutting sim cards
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-No-Cut-Du...ryZ43805QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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I emailed the seller about this item.
Ebay Question said:
Question from hollinshead
Item: ** NEW (No Cut) Dual Sim Card Holder** (6452231121)
This message was sent while the listing was active.
hollinshead is a potential buyer.
Will this work with 3G USIM cards?
Thanks, David.
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And I got the following reply back :?
Ebay Responce said:
Response from d.d.isk
Item: ** NEW (No Cut) Dual Sim Card Holder** (6452231121)
This message was sent while the listing was active.
d.d.isk is the seller.
Sorry No
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hi
its still not clear whether it will work and their r issues that even if it works will it fit?
Have a look at these links which talk about dual sims for 3g phones and
O2 exec
Will get at least one of them by saturaday and will post result for a trimmed pay as u go 3g sim and later about the un cut one
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/xda-IIs-III-L...451816766QQcategoryZ43805QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://www.irwebonline.com/acatalog/O2_XDA_Exec_Twin_Sim_Cover_-_Ghost_Dual_Sim.html
http://www.freeyourmobile.biz/acatalog/dual_sim_cards_.html
http://www.speedsafe.co.uk/category.php?id=29
and also there is lots of talk about STK function which gives u option to switch sims online, dont know whether it will work on exec?
Demon can u elaborate how did u managed to fit that dual sim holder, r u using it now and any problems
i m bit fearful about playing with sim holder
ok bye

Will a 6 in 1 supersim work in Wizard?

Hi,
Was looking at the twin sim option but seem the same seller on ebay is offering this:-
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Universal-6-N...836681504QQcategoryZ67966QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Universal 6 Number in 1 Sim Card for GSM Mobile Phone
Looks like it could stop having the bulge on rear of phone that the twin sim causes.
Any comments on whether it may work?
Scott

That looks neat - however, I have been told that this sort of thing won't work on UK SIMS due to the encryption standard we use (or something like that - sorry to be vague)
I've emailed the seller to ask him if it'll work with UK sims, and will let you know. If it does, I'll try one in the T-Mobile Vario (Wizard).

It is a UK seller so I guess it will work on UK SIMs.

Just got an email from the seller saying:-
The software is only standard STK menu
So - I doubt there is software for Windows Mobile device but I would loved to be proved wrong
Scott

yes, you'd think so wouldn't you...
From googling around, it appears that all supersims have a restriction that they only work with V1 and V1+ SIM cards. Not V2...
...and apparently all recent UK sims are "V2". I'm afraid I'm just passing on info from this forum, and have no way of checking what sims are v1 or v2. If someone will let me know how to check, I will do for o2 and t-mobile sims that I have

slewis1972: be very careful. As indicated, 6in1 are sim copiers, that require cracking the encryption on the sim before they can host the copy.
If this cracking doesn't work, it's destructive AFAIK. So, you'll be left without a sim. They work only on older Cellnet era sims (in the UK) and ok in some foreign countries.
I've posted on a £4 sim cut dual sim from ebay. Works well on Magician.
Hope that helps.
V

STK menu means SIM Toolkit. STK is a way for SIM cards to have their own menu with special functions on mobile phones.
This is not used much by UK operators, but it is very used elsewhere. You simply get an additional menu in your mobile phone.
This is also supported by Jams and Wizards of course, as it is a standard feature of SIM cards. One of my SIM cards have a STK menu, and it appears perfectly on the Wizard (and previously on Jam).
The problem is whether the PC software will be able to copy the data residing in our SIM cards, whether UK or non-UK. In theory, if our mobile phone can read this data, then why shouldn't this kit be able to do it.
We need more answers from the vendor. It might actually work.

A bit more research: there's no current sim copiers that can "crack" the encryption on a V2 SIM, although sim max are apparently working on it.
Every card in the last 2 years - possibly longer - has been a v2 card.
again, I'd love to be wrong as I'd love this to work, but I think it's sorta doomed

Thanks for your research.
I am waiting for an answer from the vendor, but I have also sent emails to one of his previous customers. There are also guys in the UK among his previous customers.
In any case, I do not get the argument related to encryption. Any mobile phone can read the data on any SIM, as long as you give it the correct PIN number. The encryption might be an issue if someone tries to crack the SIM without knowing the PIN code, but in this case, we all know the PIN codes of our SIMs, so why shouldn't this device be able to read the content of our SIM cards...
Anyway, let's see what the vendor will reply. He is got excellent eBay feedback by the way, and many have bought this 6 in 1 super SIM...

Sirox, I suggest you do some detailed reading on this before you risk a SIM on it. There's a great difference between getting the sim PIN and this procedure. This requires you to crack the encryption of the SIM itself and clone it, and then emulate it back from the clone card.
This is not something most Operators like (although some operators will provide you with a second sim to use simultaneously if you ask).
v1 cards had a weak encryption.
v2 cards (current) are hard, if not impossible to crack, AFAIK.
http://www.gsm-talk.com/t227735p1-please-help-cloning-uk-sim.htm
From http://ucables.com/ref/SIM-SCAN
some cards can be destroyed using this function!!! especially prepaid cards!!! because they have limited running of a38 from 10000 to 65536 times and after that a38 do not work anymore!!!
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V

Hi Vijay,
Thanks for your info.
The vendor has replied to me saying that this product supports V1 and some V2 type SIM cards, about 98% of SIM cards around. And you have to note that UK GSM providers have never been particularly up for high technology, compared for example to Italian GSM providers who use much more advanced SIM cards, with lots of menus, and 128K, etc.
What I have done, I have written messages to 6 UK-based people who have bought this stuff on eBay (all with positive feedback), asking them to report back how it works and which GSM providers they use. I believe this is the best way of solving the issue.
In any case, I am not at all interested in cloning my SIM card per se, as this would be easily done by asking the operator for a duplicate for car usage. I am only interested in having my 2-3 SIM cards (of different countries) in one, without needing to swap them.
I will report here when I receive answers from those previous customers.

Maybe this can help you ...
Explain how to distinguish V1 from V2 SIM card ...
http://www.nowgsm.com/supersim.htm
16 in 1 SIM
Take care about the NOTE : Work near 100% on V1 card but incompatible with V2 ...
Regards
Asmo

Thanks for the info and the link!
The product mentioned in your link seems to have different specs from the one that originated this thread, as this one declares that it can read some V2 cards too.
By the way, the indication in the note might be useful. It says that if the SIM supports more than 250 numbers it may not be compatible. As a matter of fact, my Vodafone UK (contract) SIM card has only 200 slots, so it might be COMP128V1, therefore compatible.
As I said earlier, UK operators do not tend to use latest technology. In Italy for example, GSM operators made big marketing campaigns a couple of year ago for the new 64K SIM cards. Now they are doing it with the 128K SIM cards, while in the UK I think they are all still 16K or 32K. And they do not use the SIM Toolkit features.
By the way, a couple of eBay customers have already replied that they haven't received the stuff yet, but will let me know when they receive it.

Cloned 12 in 1 Sim Card

Hi all,
Has anybody came across these:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9102090186&fromMakeTrack=true
I can work out it's one sim card that can hold up to 12 by copying them using a device. I only ask as i'm using the dual ghost sim card and for it to work you need to crop your sim cards to fit.
This badger seems to be a lot easier (ie no cutting involved) and can hold 12 sims on it.
Is anybody using one or know if they work? It says they work on V.1 & V.2 simcards. what sim cards does the universal use?
I opened the thread as these might save us from cutting sim cards up.
Hope someone can shed some light, cheers
Yohanson

yohanson: have a search for clone sim and dual sim on the forum.
Won't work in the UK if you have a SIM card newer then 2 years old AFAIK.
V

there is one that works with a V3 sim card which i suppose to the newer sim cards

I bought something similar from ebay. The software supplied couldn't crack the encryption on my sim card. See this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=38729&highlight=

prog. for dual sim ...

Hello,
is there any possibility to know what sim of a dual sim is activated???
i want to write a plugin (homescreen eg.) that shows me ok sim 1 or sim 2 ...
maybe there's an internal sim serial or so that we can readout the phone and use??
please help
thx steve

I had the same thought when I got mine.
I just use phonealarm - the scroller can be set up to display the current phone number.
Takes a couple of minutes to update, but works well.

Folks
Can I ask which dual sim adaptor are you using with your Hermes, and which networks?

TopBoy said:
Folks
Can I ask which dual sim adaptor are you using with your Hermes, and which networks?
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Dual sim adaptor 10th generation (with Sim Tool Kit) and two 64k or more SIM cards, network doesn't matter.
See the FAQs on the wiki:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_FAQs

hi, have one without dualsim stk...
had worked... not really long..
now i only can switch to one of the sims...
doens't matter if the sim is in sim1 or sim2 slot of dual sim...
today i have received the 2nd sim card of my operrator ... a new one.. same like sim1... maybe theres the problem...
but id had already worked... with this 2 sims... don't know why now not works...
in all other phones i have the dualsim and the 2 sims works...
the dualsim with the stkkit needs allegedly lot of battery? who can this confirm??
steve

totallytechie said:
I had the same thought when I got mine.
I just use phonealarm - the scroller can be set up to display the current phone number.
Takes a couple of minutes to update, but works well.
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how does this work...
i see no sroller...

sim status switcher
Hi,
i have become the wm2003 software of wiVmobile to run under the tytn...
only problem i have is that i don't become a phone nr. of my sim???
what is the problem??
did not all operators show the number??

ok... a few steps more...
to view the nr. i have to add under program /sim/ extras/eigene nr...
but how can i read out that volume in programming???
the sim swichter tools is very unstable...
i only want 1line in today wheres the nr. displayed nothing more..
can someone help ??
please+

If you want to program yourself...
I saw many apps showing IMSI code of the SIM. This code is unique for each SIM.

...
anyone knows a programm that reads such fings? and shows on home screen??
or is there any app available that reads out the phone nr. of the sim and shows on home screen??
steve

Apologies for delay in replying.
PhoneAlarm does do what you want, you just need a skin with a scroller region. Not all skins have them, including the ones you get by default. Try the SWIIQVGA or HGS6 skins. You'll also need to go into config to set the Telephone # as being displayed in the scroller.
You can create your own skins too. If you want you can create a skin with only a scroller region and set it to only display the tel # I suppose. Should be able to set the size of the text too.
BTW I use the sam as Pof. Works OK, if you can overcome your fear of taking a pair of scissors to your SIM cards.