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I am planning to buy the galaxy s4 when it is available but wondering if whether there are better rumored/announced smartphones that will be released along with s4 or two to three months after the galaxy s4 release. since i'm not aware of any phones like that but i'm not well keep up with rumors/announcements of others. So tell me some.
Also I have seen some comparison with the camera of the sgs4 with the HTC one but the HTC one is not yet updated to the newest software that is said to be fix the camera problem. So do you know a thread/website that alraedy compares the camera of sgs4 to htc one with the one's updated camera?
thanks
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Heyy... you could find exactly what you are looking for here.
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If you're looking for a hack piece that only shows examples of photos that show off the strengths of the GS4 and the weaknesses of the One. I'm not trying to say the One has a better camera, nor do I believe that to be the case. But if you look at the pictures that they chose to show... all of their comparisons are of the One blown up way past 100% to match the 13MP size of the GS4 shots. That's an absolutely valid comparison to make, but that is the only comparison they make. ALL of their shots except for one are long distance, landscape-style photos, where detail is everything. And the one photo that is not that kind of shot, they don't even let you view 100% scale, side by side with the GS4. They force their stupid zoom tool on you to once again emphasize detail. There is not a SINGLE night shot in their entire piece. The goal of that piece is to sell GS4's, plain and simple, nothing more, nothing less.
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If you're looking for a hack piece that only shows examples of photos that show off the strengths of the GS4 and the weaknesses of the One. I'm not trying to say the One has a better camera, nor do I believe that to be the case. But if you look at the pictures that they chose to show... all of their comparisons are of the One blown up way past 100% to match the 13MP size of the GS4 shots. That's an absolutely valid comparison to make, but that is the only comparison they make. ALL of their shots except for one are long distance, landscape-style photos, where detail is everything. And the one photo that is not that kind of shot, they don't even let you view 100% scale, side by side with the GS4. They force their stupid zoom tool on you to once again emphasize detail. There is not a SINGLE night shot in their entire piece. The goal of that piece is to sell GS4's, plain and simple, nothing more, nothing less.
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Haha
I think the way you protect HTC One and GS4 is so funny.
GSMArena has used this kind of camera test: The same scene, the same crop for years, even for very old phones like iPhone 3GS. They haven't changed/added/lessen anything, so it's not something like bias toward Samsung for more GS4 sold.
This is only the matter of accepting the fact.
kkrsrkrocks said:
Heyy... you could find exactly what you are looking for here.
Alternatively, you can find all about SGS4 Here. and manually compare it to HTC One.
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very detailed
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Haha
I think the way you protect HTC One and GS4 is so funny.
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Protect? I'm being as unbiased and impartial as one can be. If you go through my posts, you'll see that I have gone back and forth numerous times on which phone I would buy.
GSMArena has used this kind of camera test: The same scene, the same crop for years, even for very old phones like iPhone 3GS. They haven't changed/added/lessen anything, so it's not something like bias toward Samsung for more GS4 sold.
This is only the matter of accepting the fact.
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I've never read anything from GSMArena in my life, prior to this, nor will I again in the future. There is absolutely no way that it can be disputed, though, that the way this was handled shows the strengths of the GS4 and the weaknesses of the One. They even admit as much:
Winner: Samsung Galaxy S4. It's pretty clear that things are going in favor of the Galaxy S4 here. It produces sharper photos with better colors and there's resolution to crop things out. The narrower FoV is not ideal but it's not a deal-breaker.
The HTC One lost this round, though to be fair it was never expected to win a head-on fight in good lighting conditions. Its photos are certainly good enough if you'll post them on Facebook or show them off on a TV, but don't come close to the samples produced with its competitor today.
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So they only admit that they are not 'being fair' in a footnote at the bottom of the page. If this is, as you say, how they always conduct these comparison reviews, then so be it. If that's the case then maybe they aren't biased, but simply always offer up shoddy reviews.
Thanks for answering. I am don't really like the HTC ONE that much. Any other phones rumors?
So I LOVE THIS PHONE, it has been everything I ever wanted in a phone except one key part; The low ligth performance.
I have taken a bunch of pics in darker settings (at work, in clubs, restaurants) and all my pics look blurry/oily (oil painting effect) and the only time I get sharp pics is on close up pics (really close up) with flash.
Is this the norm for this phone? Is samsung releasing an app update?
Do you guys have any apps that solve this issue and can you post them here/the setting you use with them. I have attached some pics below to show examples
I have the same problem.
have you tried it with the smart stabilization mode on ?
For me it turned out the smart stabilization mode was the culprit, disabling it fixed it.
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have you tried it with the smart stabilization mode on ?
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Yep and it only makes things more bright with no real advantage...it still looks blurred/oily and details are hard to make out; but hey I have a little bit more contrast/better colors
Updates wont' fix it - it's the hardware.
Take a look at the tiny little lens on the back of your Note 3. Then compare that with a point & shoot camera. Then realize N3's camera takes in a fraction of the light and has a miniscule sensor. Do you really expect similar performance?
You really need to play with settings, to squeeze maximum performance in low light and one setting for all won't work, but one thing is for sure, get as much light as possible from flash or elsewhere. If you ever watch pros making movies, half of their equipment is lights and light bouncing screens and they use them even in the daylight even with huge lenses costing thousands of dollars. I do agree Samsung could fine tune low light performance a little better, possibly having dedicated low light/night mode and explain "smart stabilization", which is not stabilization, but custom HDR, little better, but it's not that bad, considering small lens and sensor. I've seen that oil painting effect myself, but only in really low light where even DSLR would have hard time to cope.
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You really need to play with settings, to squeeze maximum performance in low light and one setting for all won't work, but one thing is for sure, get as much light as possible from flash or elsewhere. If you ever watch pros making movies, half of their equipment is lights and light bouncing screens and they use them even in the daylight even with huge lenses costing thousands of dollars. I do agree Samsung could fine tune low light performance a little better, possibly having dedicated low light/night mode and explain "smart stabilization", which is not stabilization, but custom HDR, little better, but it's not that bad, considering small lens and sensor. I've seen that oil painting effect myself, but only in really low light where even DSLR would have hard time to cope.
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what setting do you use in low light?
As I already said there is no one setting for all, but just to give an example, don't use smart stabilization for close distance , because then flash won't fire and here flash will give best results. On the other hand if you were shooting sunset, don't use flash because exposure will be too dark, unless you have people right in front as main subject etc. Smart stabilization won't work for moving objects, since it stocks multiple exposures on top of each other, but it may work pretty well for some static pictures. You could also try to manually set ISO and again it all depends, higher ISO will give you shorter exposure but much more noise, so for static picture you could try lower ISO and brace the phone against some hard surface to avoid shake, or even make a tripod. But nothing beats the light, so always try to position yourself with light behind you, so let's say inside the house have window behind you, not in front of you.
Ive owned every single Android device to date.. yes you read right, every one and if theres one thing Android Devs Can NOT get right out of the box .. its the freaking cameras.
Googles own Nexus 5 needed a few updates from LG to fix it. LGs own G2.. the camera is smudgey and noisey and needs a firmware update.
The LTE version of the S4 (I9005) had shutter lag out of the box, leaving pictures burred and noisey, which was fixed.. eventually... in 4.3.
Thank you so much for this post OP, I was considering a Note 3 as a back up to my Lumia 920 (WP8), soon to be a Lumia 1020.. Its getting ridiculous the way devs are treating us buyers like ****.. "Oh dont worry we can release an OTA next month".
Seriously, take it back and send an email to Samsung "Ram it Samsung", then go buy an HTC One Max.
Stop letting Devs Q&A treat us like ****, return your phones, then send Samsung a Scanned copy of the refund reciept.. explaining it didnt work out of the box.. theyd soon kick their Q&A into gear.
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Ive owned every single Android device to date.. yes you read right, every one and if theres one thing Android Devs Can NOT get right out of the box .. its the freaking cameras.
Googles own Nexus 5 needed a few updates from LG to fix it. LGs own G2.. the camera is smudgey and noisey and needs a firmware update.
The LTE version of the S4 (I9005) had shutter lag out of the box, leaving pictures burred and noisey, which was fixed.. eventually... in 4.3.
Thank you so much for this post OP, I was considering a Note 3 as a back up to my Lumia 920 (WP8), soon to be a Lumia 1020.. Its getting ridiculous the way devs are treating us buyers like ****.. "Oh dont worry we can release an OTA next month".
Seriously, take it back and send an email to Samsung "Ram it Samsung", then go buy an HTC One Max.
Stop letting Devs Q&A treat us like ****, return your phones, then send Samsung a Scanned copy of the refund reciept.. explaining it didnt work out of the box.. theyd soon kick their Q&A into gear.
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I would but I don't know another phone that has a pen. THe pen alone has been the one saving grace for me. I'm a very disorganized guy, ESPECIALLY PAPER and being able to have all my notes in one place has been really convenient. But I don't know, I would like to find a way to get forums to get in contact with Sammy and get them to fix cameras.
BTW does anyone know if the note 2's camera is a better camera and if it would be worth it to return the Note 3 for a Note 2
WHat makes me angry is that most reviewers swear the Note 3 camera is godly. Well not at all in low light
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I would but I don't know another phone that has a pen. THe pen alone has been the one saving grace for me. I'm a very disorganized guy, ESPECIALLY PAPER and being able to have all my notes in one place has been really convenient. But I don't know, I would like to find a way to get forums to get in contact with Sammy and get them to fix cameras.
BTW does anyone know if the note 2's camera is a better camera and if it would be worth it to return the Note 3 for a Note 2.
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Yes, It has an 8MP camera on it and its a brilliant camera, Its actually better than the S3, especially in low light. As an amateur photographer, I understand that 13MP dont mean squat.. 8MP cams are better.. less MPs for it to process.. I used to own a Note 2 and I loved it. The photos were truely amazing and Sammy have had a few years to iron out the bugs.. so it works beautifully and smooth.. nice fast shutter speeds with reasonable low light.. oh and the speaker on the back is fantastic and loud, with a rich sound from the wolfson DAC, plus the screen on the Note 2 isnt crappy Pentile either.
Its a great phone and you wont be dissapointed.
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Yep I know, but reviewers all do that, its amazing what a new free phone will do to grease a reviewers wheels. I tend to watch independent YouTube reviewers, theres a few honest ones around if you look for them. There seems to be an obession that bigger is better, and in the terms of Camera MPx.. No its not.. trust me,. Look at the HTC One 4 Ultra Pixel.. Its fantastic, the Note 2 is a great phone and its cheap now. Go for it
Good luck
note 2 camera is I can tell for sure at least 40% better than the note 3 camera in low light... that's my personal experience
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Yes, It has an 8MP camera on it and its a brilliant camera, Its actually better than the S3, especially in low light. As an amateur photographer, I understand that 13MP dont mean squat.. 8MP cams are better.. less MPs for it to process.. I used to own a Note 2 and I loved it. The photos were truely amazing and Sammy have had a few years to iron out the bugs.. so it works beautifully and smooth.. nice fast shutter speeds with reasonable low light.. oh and the speaker on the back is fantastic and loud, with a rich sound from the wolfson DAC, plus the screen on the Note 2 isnt crappy Pentile either.
Its a great phone and you wont be dissapointed.
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So I suppose the question now is, is it worth going back to the Note 2 for despite the other advancements in hardware?
With Note 2, do the native updates give it some of the more useful features of the Note 3?
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So I suppose the question now is, is it worth going back to the Note 2 for despite the other advancements in hardware?
With Note 2, do the native updates give it some of the more useful features of the Note 3?
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Now that I cant say, sorry. I know the Note 2 did get some added updates from the Note 3 OS, but due to the half-baked flaky bullsh*t OS that samsung, LG and other devs keep giving us "Out of the Box" with their bug ridden, faulty, un-tested devices from a lazy QA depatment over and over again.. I gave up on latest Android new release devices and went to Nokia WP8, but thats just me
And yet we keep buying these faulty release day Android devices.
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note 2 camera is I can tell for sure at least 40% better than the note 3 camera in low light... that's my personal experience
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Agreed , Its a great camera.
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Now that I cant say, sorry. I know the Note 2 did get some added updates from the Note 3 OS, but due to the half-baked flaky bullsh*t OS that samsung, LG and other devs keep giving us "Out of the Box" with their bug ridden, faulty, un-tested devices from a lazy QA depatment over and over again.. I gave up on latest Android new release devices and went to Nokia WP8, but thats just me
And yet we keep buying these faulty release day Android devices.
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Agreed , Its a great camera.
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Hmm I guess you wouldn't know which one has a wider camera view?
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Hmm I guess you wouldn't know which one has a wider camera view?
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How do you mean by wider camera view?, are you talking about how much of the picture you take is in a single frame? or do you mean aperture?
The note 2 has an f2.6 aperture lens where as the Note 3 has a wider f2.2 aperture lens, meaning on paper, the Note 3 should let in more light, however, due to the huge number of 13Milion pixels compared to the less crowded 8Million, the aperture size may not matter here.
Also the Note 2 and Note 3 both have a digital zoom, meaning it expands the actual pixels themselves, not the image like a better Optical zoom, but they both have O.I.S and both have panorama shot for expanded images.
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You mean as in how much you see through the viewfinder on the screen.. I think the Note 2 is the wider view, but Im not sure someone else reading this may know though
Hope that helps
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I would but I don't know another phone that has a pen. THe pen alone has been the one saving grace for me. I'm a very disorganized guy, ESPECIALLY PAPER and being able to have all my notes in one place has been really convenient. But I don't know, I would like to find a way to get forums to get in contact with Sammy and get them to fix cameras.
BTW does anyone know if the note 2's camera is a better camera and if it would be worth it to return the Note 3 for a Note 2
WHat makes me angry is that most reviewers swear the Note 3 camera is godly. Well not at all in low light
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AFAIK, the pen functionality in the Note 3 is better.
The camera on the note 2 sounds like a winner...
I guess you need to choose. Since it is only dark in so many situations, I would err on the better specs and forward thinking of the note 3 in terms of android trim, better specs, and future updates.
A $80 point and shoot will do even better than a note 2.
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How do you mean by wider camera view?, are you talking about how much of the picture you take is in a single frame? or do you mean aperture?
The note 2 has an f2.6 aperture lens where as the Note 3 has a wider f2.2 aperture lens, meaning on paper, the Note 3 should let in more light, however, due to the huge number of 13Milion pixels compared to the less crowded 8Million, the aperture size may not matter here.
Also the Note 2 and Note 3 both have a digital zoom, meaning it expands the actual pixels themselves, not the image like a better Optical zoom, but they both have O.I.S and both have panorama shot for expanded images.
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You mean as in how much you see through the viewfinder on the screen.. I think the Note 2 is the wider view, but Im not sure someone else reading this may know though
Hope that helps
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If you can get a wider picture from the Note 2. Note 3 seemed to have a narrow wide angle. (so lets say Note 2 was 16:9, Note 3 would be 16:11) thats what I mean. you can capture more area with the Note 2 camera
Hi Boys and Girls!
It's been a while since I last posted on XDA, maybe since I have been very content of my Z2 which was ticking almost all of my requirements. This phone is ALMOST all I need - legendary battery life, good camera, waterproofness, stereo speakers and so much more.
I want to upgrade and S6 is one of the options - others being considered are Galaxy S6 Active, Xperia Z4 later this year.
I would like to hear opinions from those of you who made the switch and it would be great if you gave some comparison on the following:
- Camera quality,
- Screen quality (sun legibility),
- Speaker LOUDNESS,
- Battery life.
My biggest worry is battery life. I know that Z2 has almost 25% more battery capacity, but Samsung has more energy efficient elements so really curious how this looks from your personal experience.
Any feedback from you and examples (your usage Z2 vs usage on S6) would be really appreciated!
Do you regret and if yes/no - why?
Already have forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3043183
Moved to S6 from which device & why
Read forum rules and do use search..
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That topic is garbage, not only opinions but much off topic.
I am targeting this to more specific user group so no, don't think I have violated any rules and I have done search...
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That topic is garbage, not only opinions but much off topic.
I am targeting this to more specific user group so no, don't think I have violated any rules and I have done search...
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I agree.
I had a Z2 then went to a Z3 C and then to a OPO and then to a SGS 6.
I much prefer the SGS 6 over any of the other devices.
For the sake of this topic I will compare it directly to the Z3C.
- Camera quality
SGS 6 hands down kicks the arse off of the Z3 C.. I believe the sensor on the Z3 is capable of competing with the SGS 6 but the processing done on the SGS 6 is unbelievably gorgeous, plus the 1.9 aperture really REALLY helps it out a lot. Oh and the pink spot issue was ridiculously bad as well.
Best camera in a mobile device. Simply as that.
- Screen quality (sun legibility)
Never had any dramas with the Z3 C in this regard, but the SGS 6 is marvellous in sunlight.. The Super AMOLED screen simply cannot be beaten in any way shape or form.
- Speaker LOUDNESS
Plenty loud enough, when I first got it and copied some music across I started listening to it (couple slider notches from maximum) and it was heaps loud enough while sitting at my desk. My ringtone volume and message tone sits at 3 notches from maximum and I can easily hear it across the house. Even while using my electric shaver! Plus the sound quality is spectacular.. By far the best I have ever heard on a mobile. HTC can bite it.
- Battery life.
The only point of the SGS 6 that isn't spectacular.
Medium usage it will last a full day easily enough, in fact I'd say the only time you'd have trouble with the battery not lasting a full day is if you were heavily gaming all day.
It really is not bad at all. It will easily get you a full day and two days light usage and Coming from an OPO that is a pretty strong opinion.
To be honest, I've owned an arse load of devices and have used/tested so many I can't even remember half of them and this device blows them all out of the water, it has every good quality you could possibly want from a device. The lack of removable storage I don't care about (OTG EXISTS PEOPLE!! AND ITS FASTER AND CHEAPER THAN MICROSD!!!) the lack of battery I don't care about, it's plenty enough for me. Buy a portable battery pack if you're paranoid or need to be out of electric power point range for a week.
I went off Samsung because I didn't like the whole plastic casing design choice, and I am glad to say I am back on the bandwagon with this beautiful device
By the way.. The Xperia devices are significantly let down by the lack of hardware buttons. Really pisses me off having such a nice large screen and having a chunk of that taken away with terrible soft keys.
I currently have a Z2, and I am almost certainly going to jump to the S6. Probably solely for the camera. The Z2 never really seemed to fulfill it's potential camera-wise. It takes aaaaaages for the thing to focus - a toddler will only sit still for so long!. The video is also a bit disappointing on it - it's a bit too mushy (not sharp enough) even in good light. The software stabillisation really helps eliminate handshake for videos, but again, it adds to the mushyness of the image.
Although, really well made, it's also a bit too blocky. I think the S6 looks about the right size and shape.
I will miss the battery though, which is fantastic - I still can't believe sometimes how much juice is left at the end of the day.
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I currently have a Z2, and I am almost certainly going to jump to the S6. Probably solely for the camera. The Z2 never really seemed to fulfill it's potential camera-wise. It takes aaaaaages for the thing to focus - a toddler will only sit still for so long!. The video is also a bit disappointing on it - it's a bit too mushy (not sharp enough) even in good light. The software stabillisation really helps eliminate handshake for videos, but again, it adds to the mushyness of the image.
Although, really well made, it's also a bit too blocky. I think the S6 looks about the right size and shape.
I will miss the battery though, which is fantastic - I still can't believe sometimes how much juice is left at the end of the day.
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Haha yeah the blockiness was absurd! Forgot about that!
It was like carrying a thin brick in your pocket.
Now this is what I am talking about!
Thanks people and keep it comming!
Batter life worries me. If you get a full day of medium usage and end up with <10% battery life then in the long term, this will not be good for the battery... This stops me from going for it... Still thinking
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Haha yeah the blockiness was absurd! Forgot about that!
It was like carrying a thin brick in your pocket.
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Stevles,
Do you have any feel for how it captures images of people in less than ideal light? I'm thinking specifically about taking photos of my kids indoors.
I remember I had a G2 a while back and it was TERRIBLE at this. Because it had OIS, the camera would always keep the shutter open way too long to let more light in. The downside of this is of course that any movement resulted in a blurry mess. Z2 is better at this, but still not very good.
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Stevles,
Do you have any feel for how it captures images of people in less than ideal light? I'm thinking specifically about taking photos of my kids indoors.
I remember I had a G2 a while back and it was TERRIBLE at this. Because it had OIS, the camera would always keep the shutter open way too long to let more light in. The downside of this is of course that any movement resulted in a blurry mess. Z2 is better at this, but still not very good.
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Yeah the shutter speed goes to around 1/10 in low-light. Highly recommended to switch to "pro" and manually adjust the shutter speed to around 1/30 - 1/50 while keeping the rest of the "pro" settings on auto to account for it automatically. It will result in slightly noisier pictures but at least they won't be fully blurry like auto mode provides in fast-pace low-light situations.
Ultimately, best bet would be to either a) use flash b) pro mode with manual shutter speed c) Sony A7S (current low-light king MILC costing around $2600AUD)
With the SGS6 it will let you either use tracking focus OR Optical image stabilization, not both at the same time. Although I'm pretty sure that only effects the video taking, not 100% sure.
I'm sure you'll work something out
I think anyone coming from a z3c will be massively spoiled by its battery life. Its a freak. My s6 battery is average tbh but it's super fast and the camera is awesome. Sammy cam and picture software is really on point here
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Yeah the shutter speed goes to around 1/10 in low-light. Highly recommended to switch to "pro" and manually adjust the shutter speed to around 1/30 - 1/50 while keeping the rest of the "pro" settings on auto to account for it automatically. It will result in slightly noisier pictures but at least they won't be fully blurry like auto mode provides in fast-pace low-light situations.
Ultimately, best bet would be to either a) use flash b) pro mode with manual shutter speed c) Sony A7S (current low-light king MILC costing around $2600AUD)
With the SGS6 it will let you either use tracking focus OR Optical image stabilization, not both at the same time. Although I'm pretty sure that only effects the video taking, not 100% sure.
I'm sure you'll work something out
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The s6 has two types of stabilisation: OIS which is mechanical and you can't turn off. This used for photo and video. The second is EIS (electronic image stabilisation) which is software stabilisation and can be turned off. This is only for video. Both can be used together for video. EIS is type is the one that can't be used with tracking focus, but the camera is still using OIS (as it isn't something you can switch off).
Apologies if you knew all this already.
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The s6 has two types of stabilisation: OIS which is mechanical and you can't turn off. This used for photo and video. The second is EIS (electronic image stabilisation) which is software stabilisation and can be turned off. This is only for video. Both can be used together for video. EIS is type is the one that can't be used with tracking focus, but the camera is still using OIS (as it isn't something you can switch off).
Apologies if you knew all this already.
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Ah that makes sense, thanks. Knew there was something a bit "this sounds wrong" about my post lol
I owned z3 since its release although sold it two moth ago and got s6 last week. I can say this, s6 is vastly superior in every aspect except the battery life. You can really tweak z3 setting and that battery would last two days easy.
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I mostly agree with everything that was already said. Battery life is far from equivalent to the z3c. Also I should mention size and one hand usability in favor of the Sony. Also another missed function that Samsung just doesnt want to implement is Tap to unlock the screen. I dont really use the photos on the laptop screen, so from a small screen point of view I sometimes liked the photos of the z3c more that those of the S6. Colors combinations and the final result was more eye pleasant for me on the z3c (many times). Sure S6 has a great overall camera.
Lack of microsd is annoying, but I solved it with OTG.
I still have both because I cracked the screen on the Z3 and I won't sell it until I get it repaired. But my opinion pretty much reflects what everyone else said.
The S6 does pretty much everything better except for battery life.
I love the fingerprint scanner. Way easier than having to use lock pattern or password.
I tested the speaker with the same youtube video and the S6 was actually louder. But the Z3 sounds better when you're watching something that pans from left or right.
Interesting, z3 louder than S6?
My z2 seems very quiet in comparison to other phones. My gf's 2013 motto g seems louder on 50 percent than z2 on 90 percent... No comparison with z3, maybe they actually made it louder.
I am also really tempted to wait on z4 but I have this bad feeling that nothing will change in terms of camera software and screen... Also worried about overheating snapdragon.
I guess z4 will not beat s6 in those regards and as you said, s6 is better in everything but battery...
If I only knew when S6 active is released and will it have better battery and same screen and camera...
Was just going through some videos I took recently with my Z2 and remembered another issue: the autofocus during video capture is diabolical. It's either out of focus or constantly going in and out of focus. It really affects the watchability of the recorded videos.
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Was just going through some videos I took recently with my Z2 and remembered another issue: the autofocus during video capture is diabolical. It's either out of focus or constantly going in and out of focus. It really affects the watchability of the recorded videos.
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Good point. I noticed this as well, especially in worse lighting.
I've only owned my S6 for about 8 hours, but compared to my Z3,it blows it out the water. The only thing I preferred on the Z3 is the mostly stock Android UI, and the battery life. The camera on the s6 is crazy good. When you take a picture of say a cat or a dog, the amount of detail it picks up is amazing. My Z3 took some really nice pictures when the lighting was nice and sunny, but it was very inconsistent. The S6 is better in every condition by far. .
Display wise, the Z3 has a very bluish white balance, while the S6 is warmer. I haven't directly compared brightness yet but they both get bright enough in direct sunlight. The S6 kills it when it comes to resolution, and also them gorgeous deep blacks. The S6 display is easily the best display on any smartphone that I've ever seen. But that's not to say the Z3 has a bad display, it just isn't as good when directly compared.
Build quality, I would say they're both really nice, and I'm hesitant to give the win to either of them.
Ergonomics go to the S6. It's a smaller size, and just feels better in the hand as opposed to the square shape of the Z3. They're both quite slippery though.
Performance goes to the S6,but not by much. My Z3 was no slouch, and never lagged, but the S6 does seem faster by a little, and the animations are smoother more often.
Overall I would say the S6 is definitely the better phone. But if battery life is very important to you, and you really do prefer stock android to Touchwiz, then the Z3 is the better option. Honestly though, they're both awesome phones, and the only massive difference is the camera, and the S6 is noticeably better.
I came from an Xperia Z2 and the camera on this S6 is 1000x better. The focusing is fast and the pictures are sharp even in low light. The slow focusing speed on my Z2 drove me insane...
Do any of you guys find the camera quality so bad indoors only and have alot of noise or do I have something wrong ??
My photos and vids are super outdoors with all lenses but inside my home at morning or night the pics have alot of noise even the viewfinder is very noisy and the videos are very bad .
I feel exactly the same way. I take a lot of pics inside the house in the evening with my kids, dogs, etc. and I'm really struggling with the lack of quality in that scenario. I have a pixel 3xl that I was originally planning on replacing with the s10 plus, but the pics from the pixel are so much better. The s10 photos are soft and muddy looking. I'm seriously considering just selling the s10.
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I feel exactly the same way. I take a lot of pics inside the house in the evening with my kids, dogs, etc. and I'm really struggling with the lack of quality in that scenario. I have a pixel 3xl that I was originally planning on replacing with the s10 plus, but the pics from the pixel are so much better. The s10 photos are soft and muddy looking. I'm seriously considering just selling the s10.
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So I think it must be something related to the software not the camera module
Even older Samsung mobiles with 1 cam only did not behave like that in indoor conditions
Don't get me wrong, the pics aren't horrible. Just not great or befitting of a 2019 flagship, or as good as the pixel. Which I think a lot of reviewers have said. Honestly, it seems like software, but I'm no expert.
Got to agree, feels the same as my s7 edge. lol
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I feel exactly the same way. I take a lot of pics inside the house in the evening with my kids, dogs, etc. and I'm really struggling with the lack of quality in that scenario. I have a pixel 3xl that I was originally planning on replacing with the s10 plus, but the pics from the pixel are so much better. The s10 photos are soft and muddy looking. I'm seriously considering just selling the s10.
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Because selling a second hand phone after one month of usage is easier and returns more value than just waiting for an update for a piece of hardware that is obviously not behaving like it should, right?
It's not the first phone that has disappointing picture and video results indoor after release, they all improved, just have some patience instead of making impulsive choices.
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Because selling a second hand phone after one month of usage is easier and returns more value than just waiting for an update for a piece of hardware that is obviously not behaving like it should, right?
It's not the first phone that has disappointing picture and video results indoor after release, they all improved, just have some patience instead of making impulsive choices.
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Frankly for me I will wait if there is software improvement happens and if not am still staying with the phone
It is the best phone I ever used coming from
Samsung s1 s2 s3 note 3 note 5 s7 edge iPhone 6 plus mate 9 mate 10pro them iPhone x
The s10 is by far the best in screen and battery and smoothness and UI :good:
Corv0 said:
Because selling a second hand phone after one month of usage is easier and returns more value than just waiting for an update for a piece of hardware that is obviously not behaving like it should, right?
It's not the first phone that has disappointing picture and video results indoor after release, they all improved, just have some patience instead of making impulsive choices.
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Sorry if I hurt your Samsung feelings. But I appreciate your advice on my impulsive nature here on the internet.
I've never really been overly impressed with Samsung's willingness or haste with which they make software improvements. The hardware is beautiful and I love almost everything about the phone. The camera is just a bit of a let down for me.
gsxrfl1k6 said:
Sorry if I hurt your Samsung feelings. But I appreciate your advice on my impulsive nature here on the internet.
I've never really been overly impressed with Samsung's willingness or haste with which they make software improvements. The hardware is beautiful and I love almost everything about the phone. The camera is just a bit of a let down for me.
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Didn't hurt anything.
I just find these "I bought the phone yesterday but my 1998 canon takes better pics of my bedroom carpet so I'm gonna sell it tomorrow" incredibly stupid and consumerist, you won't die by waiting for an update.
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Didn't hurt anything.
I just find these "I bought the phone yesterday but my 1998 canon takes better pics of my bedroom carpet so I'm gonna sell it tomorrow" incredibly stupid and consumerist, you won't die by waiting for an update.
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I really appreciate your now apparent concern for my life. Thanks for that.
If you read the OP's post, and mine, we're commenting how the phone doesn't take great pics in indoor relatively low light situations. Maybe it's just me, but that seems to be a pretty popular place for every day photos of life, family, etc. and I was comparing to my recent personal experience with my pixel. Not quite the obscure analogy you're attempting to make. I see this topic is really personal and emotional for you as evidence by your posts and your veiled, or not so veiled, insults. That's cool, your passion is appreciated, but your comments could easily rub someone the wrong way. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, including you, but you may want to ease up on drawing conclusions on what people should do based on your own personal inclinations. Just my meager .02
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I really appreciate your now apparent concern for my life. Thanks for that.
If you read the OP's post, and mine, we're commenting how the phone doesn't take great pics in indoor relatively low light situations. Maybe it's just me, but that seems to be a pretty popular place for every day photos of life, family, etc. and I was comparing to my recent personal experience with my pixel. Not quite the obscure analogy you're attempting to make. I see this topic is really personal and emotional for you as evidence by your posts and your veiled, or not so veiled, insults. That's cool, your passion is appreciated, but your comments could easily rub someone the wrong way. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, including you, but you may want to ease up on drawing conclusions on what people should do based on your own personal inclinations. Just my meager .02
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Don't know what posts you've been checking around, but I never denied the camera being disappointing indoors, it actually sucks.
You don't know what "passion" or "insult" is if you easily go so defensive over this simple matter, I think you should indeed focus on your life, I personally couldn't care less about directly offending anyone here as I just said that it's easier to wait for an incoming update (already confirmed by Samsung) and then reconsider.
If it's still disappointing after the update you're free to sell it or snap in half and swallow it with regret, nobody's going to worry.
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I feel exactly the same way. I take a lot of pics inside the house in the evening with my kids, dogs, etc. and I'm really struggling with the lack of quality in that scenario. I have a pixel 3xl that I was originally planning on replacing with the s10 plus, but the pics from the pixel are so much better. The s10 photos are soft and muddy looking. I'm seriously considering just selling the s10.
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GCam apk is the only way to really get better photos indoors that I've came across for Samsungs.. Pixels have ruined me for indoor photography of moving objects. Outdoors this camera is amazing though.
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GCam apk is the only way to really get better photos indoors that I've came across for Samsungs.. Pixels have ruined me for indoor photography of moving objects. Outdoors this camera is amazing though.
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Absolutely agree. I installed gcam and the indoor shots were noticeably better, IMHO. I think I installed an old apk though cause mine was having all kinds of issues. Didn't spend too much time messing with it.
Yes, same experience here. Here are comparison pics between Snapdragon S9+ and Exynos S10+.
https://imgur.com/a/2fNvxTn
Same here, only for selfi I feel it so bad in general at low light
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Absolutely agree. I installed gcam and the indoor shots were noticeably better, IMHO. I think I installed an old apk though cause mine was having all kinds of issues. Didn't spend too much time messing with it.
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Is there a gcam version for exynos?
Don't think so, as there's a bounty thread for just that. I have the snapdragon so didn't look into too much.
Indoor quality fixed with Gcam 6.1 port made for exynos from a developer on this great forums :laugh:
Camera feels quite poor in general compared to the Huawei mate 20 x I had ?
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Camera feels quite poor in general compared to the Huawei mate 20 x I had ?
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Try the gcam 6.1 made/ported for the s10+ it solves most of the Samsung camera software problems
And it shows that the hardware/lens is really good
S20+ 4G Exynos variant.
All I see are oversharpened, overexposed, oversaturated, messy photos.
I am coming from a Pixel 2, granted, but my God this phone is 3 generations newer. I am basically forced to use the 64 MP mode in order to get a decent photo. Night mode is pretty much useless as well.
How do you find the photos and which phone are you coming from?
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S20+ 4G Exynos variant.
All I see are oversharpened, overexposed, oversaturated, messy photos.
I am coming from a Pixel 2, granted, but my God this phone is 3 generations newer. I am basically forced to use the 64 MP mode in order to get a decent photo. Night mode is pretty much useless as well.
How do you find the photos and which phone are you coming from?
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Can't agree more! This phone camera is useless!!! Literally! Even with the 64 MPx the photos are not up to the level they have to be. I had Huawei Mate 10 Pro and Xiaomi Mi Note 10 - both phones are hundreds of times better than this one. Can't believe that i spend money to buy it. Even that I watched a lot of reviews before buying it. Starting to thing that pretty much all the reviews are paid by Samsung. My last Samsung was S7 and back then I promised myself not to go back with the brand again. I deeply regret that now and reconfirm that I was right not to choose Samsung again.
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I have the snapdragon and my camera is really nice. Reason why I got the s20+. Coming from an op7pro
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Yes, I compared the snapdragon and exynos versions and in almost all cases you can clearly see the difference.
The exynos version is really inferior.
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I have the snapdragon and my camera is really nice. Reason why I got the s20+. Coming from an op7pro
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After sometimes testing the s20+
- Overexposed: most time i have HDR activated, why i haven't problems with that
- Saturated images: the default display of the screen is already set to "vivid", on my pc they seem better.
- Oversharpened, right..
I would have preferred to have more manual control without having to go through the raw pro mode:
- Rendered slightly grainy rather than too smooth, oil-painted
- Manual control of jpeg compression, better quality image files
‐ Sharpness adjusted according to the subject photographed: more sharpness for a landscape, less for a portrait
- Have the ability to use the raw format for the ultra wide angle lens
Sorry for my english
I have the Snapdragon. Only problem I have really noticed is I have a hard time getting the phone to focus on things up close. Like I tried to take a picture of the front and back of an insurance card thx other day while it was laying on the counter, and the camera just couldn't figure it out. I had to close the camera a couple times and come back in before it focused.
At the lowest sensitivity, at 40 iso, the rendering is without texture, it's too smooth!
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Can't agree more! This phone camera is useless!!! Literally! Even with the 64 MPx the photos are not up to the level they have to be. I had Huawei Mate 10 Pro and Xiaomi Mi Note 10 - both phones are hundreds of times better than this one. Can't believe that i spend money to buy it. Even that I watched a lot of reviews before buying it. Starting to thing that pretty much all the reviews are paid by Samsung. My last Samsung was S7 and back then I promised myself not to go back with the brand again. I deeply regret that now and reconfirm that I was right not to choose Samsung again.
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Simply not true. I have tested the Mi Note 10 vs the [email protected] 64MP and it got destroyed, even with GCAM.
Did you turned off bixby optimizer?
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Yes, I compared the snapdragon and exynos versions and in almost all cases you can clearly see the difference.
The exynos version is really inferior.
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No its not, its actually better.
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Yes, I compared the snapdragon and exynos versions and in almost all cases you can clearly see the difference.
The exynos version is really inferior.
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Its the opposite, anandtech review says exynos variant has an upper hand compared to snapdragons this year.
anandtech must have been drinking then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHxRH8aYnUU
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anandtech must have been drinking then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHxRH8aYnUU
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So you pick youtube video with old firmware, of semi pro reviewer, vs the best on the planet? yeah, no.
Oh, wow. Why are all these folks having these issues? I haven't noticed anything wrong yet.
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Oh, wow. Why are all these folks having these issues? I haven't noticed anything wrong yet.
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These are not "issues", they only compare it with the snapdragon and seeing from the reviews, it's a lot (15%-20%)better.
I would not go that far to call the exynos camera ****, but the snapdragon-version does look better.
There's even a petition. https://www.change.org/p/samsung-stop-selling-us-inferior-exynos-phones
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S20+ 4G Exynos variant.
All I see are oversharpened, overexposed, oversaturated, messy photos.
I am coming from a Pixel 2, granted, but my God this phone is 3 generations newer. I am basically forced to use the 64 MP mode in order to get a decent photo. Night mode is pretty much useless as well.
How do you find the photos and which phone are you coming from?
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Post some comparisons of your pixel2 and s20 so we can compare these "garbage" photos.
Snapdragon S20+ here. The camera is not "absolute garbage". It's not Pixel quality, but it's better than 90% of everything else.
I always find these threads hillarious
If you don't like it get something else it's no harm done is it..
I've really got a point with smartphones where what someone likes isn't what someone else does.
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Simply not true. I have tested the Mi Note 10 vs the [email protected] 64MP and it got destroyed, even with GCAM.
Did you turned off bixby optimizer?
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And because you say so, how this should change my opinion? You are trying to convince me that your opinion is more valuable and correct than mine... Wrong approach buddy. Here we are expressing our POV.
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And because you say so, how this should change my opinion? You are trying to convince me that your opinion is more valuable and correct than mine... Wrong approach buddy. Here we are expressing our POV.
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You got PM.
Being in lockdown really does not show the S20+ in it's best light. I have been taken fewer pictures most have have been in medium to low light and of my kids or cats and have been really disappointing. Even the slightest bit of movement results in a soft or blurry image. I switched back to my 4 XL last Friday (So glad I never sold it!) and the difference is night and day.
Such a shame as I really really like the S20+ as a device, I just cannot trust the camera right now.
My S20 camera is great and provide awesome photos, you must have missed something somewhere (in good lightning, in low light.. it's... yeah, no.)
hell i don't even know how to use the 64mp camera lol