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LG says no plans for G4 Android 5.1.1 update at the moment
Are we going directly to Android M? When I had my G3 we had the same issue, no 5.1.1
Given all of the issues with Lollipop, this may be a blessing in disguise but
the negative publicity from this may further impact the already poor sales.
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I am eager to buy a new phone. I do have the cash. I do not like Touchwiz, and no SD Card is a no go. So no S6.
The Nexus 6 is way to big and no SD Card. HTC M9... oh well.
So, the LG G4 is the only option. Why am I not holding this phone in my hands?
It is available for nearly a month now (give or take depending where you live) and no root method available, without LGs unlock code. ....No bootloader unlock. No XPOSED because of that, and no CM Mod or anything even possible because of that.
Coming from a Nexus which I love (despite the camera, the battery, the missing SD Card and the terrible GPS) I am not willing to buy a piece of expensive phone which is not mine.
So maybe, just maybe that is a reason why sales are not that great...
There are other reasons I am fully aware, but this is the deal breaker for me...
By the way: I visit here daily. I can not really tell where we are in terms of a unlocked bootloader and easy root method? Anyone here that could sum it up?
fpsq said:
I am eager to buy a new phone. I do have the cash. I do not like Touchwiz, and no SD Card is a no go. So no S6.
The Nexus 6 is way to big and no SD Card. HTC M9... oh well.
So, the LG G4 is the only option. Why am I not holding this phone in my hands?
It is available for nearly a month now (give or take depending where you live) and no root method available, without LGs unlock code. ....No bootloader unlock. No XPOSED because of that, and no CM Mod or anything even possible because of that.
Coming from a Nexus which I love (despite the camera, the battery, the missing SD Card and the terrible GPS) I am not willing to buy a piece of expensive phone which is not mine.
So maybe, just maybe that is a reason why sales are not that great...
There are other reasons I am fully aware, but this is the deal breaker for me...
By the way: I visit here daily. I can not really tell where we are in terms of a unlocked bootloader and easy root method? Anyone here that could sum it up?
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We are no where unless someone's keeping it hush hush. I check daily too.
The xda and tweak people are just s handfull of users ... Most buyers are regular and they don't even know xda .... If you want a phone that get every update then buy a Google phone, or a iphone. If you want a unlocked bootloader now then buy a Samsung. If you don't want those phones , then stop whining and buy a G4 or any other phone with Android on it instead of complaining. Sales are not depending on if a bootloader is unlocked or not !
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fpsq said:
I am eager to buy a new phone. I do have the cash. I do not like Touchwiz, and no SD Card is a no go. So no S6.
The Nexus 6 is way to big and no SD Card. HTC M9... oh well.
So, the LG G4 is the only option. Why am I not holding this phone in my hands?
It is available for nearly a month now (give or take depending where you live) and no root method available, without LGs unlock code. ....No bootloader unlock. No XPOSED because of that, and no CM Mod or anything even possible because of that.
Coming from a Nexus which I love (despite the camera, the battery, the missing SD Card and the terrible GPS) I am not willing to buy a piece of expensive phone which is not mine.
So maybe, just maybe that is a reason why sales are not that great...
There are other reasons I am fully aware, but this is the deal breaker for me...
By the way: I visit here daily. I can not really tell where we are in terms of a unlocked bootloader and easy root method? Anyone here that could sum it up?
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Why is it essential for you to have an unlocked bootloader and root? I don't understand why its a dealbreaker - obviously you buy a phone based on its spec and features and no phone comes with 'unlocked bootloader' and 'root' as features.
XPosed is a heaving pile of **** which is buggy and unstable even at the best of times and if you start installing custom ROM's you start losing features.
I and plenty others bought this phone as it meets what we were looking at at the time. Root would be a bonus, but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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... but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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Really? [emoji58]
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but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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Ads. Mothereffin' ads everywhere. In apps, in web pages, on YouTube. Blocking ads alone is worth gold.
Alright, ads is a good one. Not a lot else though to be fair!
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Alright, ads is a good one. Not a lot else though to be fair!
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Really?
GravityBox is a HUGE one. It controls the look and behavior of everything on your phone.
Downloads2SD for remapping hardcoded folders like Downloads from internal storage to the SD card.
DisableFlagSecure for taking screenshots in apps that forbid it.
XHangouts for configuring image quality and other things in Hangouts.
NotifyClean for suppressing annoying system notifications that cannot normally be disabled.
The list can go on, I'm sure others use a lot more than this.
I am also missing a few features that I can only use with root. AdAway, AirAudio to stream my sound to other devices, etc...
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Really?
GravityBox is a HUGE one. It controls the look and behavior of everything on your phone.
Downloads2SD for remapping hardcoded folders like Downloads from internal storage to the SD card.
DisableFlagSecure for taking screenshots in apps that forbid it.
XHangouts for configuring image quality and other things in Hangouts.
NotifyClean for suppressing annoying system notifications that cannot normally be disabled.
The list can go on, I'm sure others use a lot more than this.
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Everyones usage is different remember - I just want to use a phone and from previous experience with my S4 introducing xposed to it turned it into a buggy mess, I don't want that happening to this phone.
dontpannic said:
Why is it essential for you to have an unlocked bootloader and root? I don't understand why its a dealbreaker - obviously you buy a phone based on its spec and features and no phone comes with 'unlocked bootloader' and 'root' as features.
XPosed is a heaving pile of **** which is buggy and unstable even at the best of times and if you start installing custom ROM's you start losing features.
I and plenty others bought this phone as it meets what we were looking at at the time. Root would be a bonus, but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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99% agree with you there. I got this device for the ability it has without any root/unlock. Fully agree that Xposed has never done anything good for me in my experiences...usually end up having bugs and ending up factory resetting rom I'm on.
Also confused as to why people expect that the G4 would already be unlocked or rooted. This device has been out for just over 3 weeks, fellas. Sure, there are other manufacturers (HTC which I LOVE save for their inability to understand that a good camera is a requirement in 2015) that are able to be unlocked like 30 seconds after you open the box. LG is NOT that way. The G3 was a pain in the butt last year for this from what I understand and this device is running a newer processor and supposedly more secure version of android.
In the end, I would like to have root, so I can get rid of the T-Mobile stuff...and yeah, while I can DISABLE it, that doesn't get rid of it, it's just lying dormant...I still have a disabled app taking up space on my device.
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Ads. Mothereffin' ads everywhere. In apps, in web pages, on YouTube. Blocking ads alone is worth gold.
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Yes this times 1000. Plus getting rid of bloat (although the LG does not have nearly as much as my Samsung devices had) plus I really want to be able to use Titanium Backup again.
Also...Not sure why everyone is so set on being on the latest version of Android at all times. I learned my lesson on that the hard way. Last device I was on was the Note 4. We were extremely irritated that we were getting Lollipop so late compared to all the other Sammy devices. Boy was I wrong to wish for it. It came with more bugs than new features, most of which made the device nearly unusable to me, resulting in my spending $280 to get the device half paid off so I could JUMP to the G4.
Rather than rolling out a new version of Android, I'm sure many users would prefer that LG work on the number of bugs that some users have experienced thusfar. That being said, 5.1 seems to be doing me pretty well for this device for me
A free wifi tethering method would be nice to have again.
I don't see the link between 5.1.1 and bad sales. If someone refused to get G4 because they won't update it to 5.1.1, I find this hilarious. 5.1.1 is a maintenance update, nothing major as I am aware, so LG can include the most important fixes from the latest available android version through OTA update, and there is no need to show you the latest android build number. 5.1 can include everything 5.1.1 got.
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Why is it essential for you to have an unlocked bootloader and root? I don't understand why its a dealbreaker - obviously you buy a phone based on its spec and features and no phone comes with 'unlocked bootloader' and 'root' as features.
XPosed is a heaving pile of **** which is buggy and unstable even at the best of times and if you start installing custom ROM's you start losing features.
I and plenty others bought this phone as it meets what we were looking at at the time. Root would be a bonus, but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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Have you even used Xposed recently? Root itself is fantastic, and does not harm usability. You can use apps like Greenify and Titanium Backup to remove apps and improve battery life, modify the tethering provisioning check to use the hotspot, etc. I also use Xposed on 5.1.1 and on 5.0, 4.4, etc., and I don't have any issues at all. the 10+ modules I use never have problems.
I'm keeping my rooted G3 until we can root the G4, as I need root in some form or another.
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Alright, ads is a good one. Not a lot else though to be fair!
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The phone is is great all on its own but I am looking forward to no ads and a tweaked Rom to hopefully get rid of the awful lagging and missed touch issues
Give the devs time. There's a lot of money pledged in the bounty board which should attract some top devs, so short of JesusFreke coming out of retirement I doubt it'll be in the next month.
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fpsq said:
By the way: I visit here daily. I can not really tell where we are in terms of a unlocked bootloader and easy root method? Anyone here that could sum it up?
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If you purchase the open EUR H815 handset, you can officially unlock the bootloader through LG's Dev website, and from there install TWPR and flash SuperSU for root.
This method is not (yet?) available to other models, however.
You're correct that there are currently no unofficial methods to unlock the bootloader or root the device, yet.
While I wait for the arrival of my MXP I have some questions for the community so that I can hit the ground running. First thing, I'd like to unlock my boot loader but I was just curious if there is a way to re-lock it afterwards just in case I need to send in for repairs or something along those lines? Also wondering about VOLTE support. I see some roms that state they have it working but is this a stock feature or do I need to use a custom ROM to get VOLTE to function? Also is there any known method of rooting without unlocking the boot loader just in case re-locking it is not possible? Thanks for the help everyone.
I am coming from a g920a. That phone is torture for someone like me who likes stock Android and rooted devices. Probably the worst phone I have ever had. Can't wait to get my hands on my MXP and leaves this piece of junk behind!
I'm on Verizon and I can confirm it supports advanced calling, which is VoLTE as far as I know but it might require turning it on at the provider level.
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I haven't messed with VoLTE yet so I can't answer those questions, but as for your others: The bootloader can be relocked, but the unlock method involves submitting an unlock request code to motorola, and they immediately email you an unlock key, along with a warning about voiding your warranty, so even relocking it does not unvoid your warranty. HOWEVER, it only voids your warranty for software issues. If it's a hardware problem unrelated to the bootloader being unlocked, they'll still handle it, and accidental drops and things are still covered if you buy an accidental damage warrenty. Also, as far as I know there is still no way to root without unlocking the bootloader.
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squallz506 said:
Volte is only available on stock roms.
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I thought this had been fixed on AICP based ROMS?
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countryfolk07 said:
I thought this had been fixed on AICP based ROMS?
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Whoops, yeah I guess they fixed it down the line. Sorry, I've been enjoying stock+xposed too much to follow custom development.
Edit: also root without bootloader unlock will likely never happen. We have a root method already, so there's no incentive to find another method.
The answer you seek was right in the first page of this forum....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-style/general/moto-x-style-how-to-unlock-bootloader-t3192140
That being said, I would consider waiting until after Marshmallow drops before you unlock your bootloader so as not to interfere with any OTA's. Conventional wisdom is that it is coming within the next few weeks as the "test drive" has already started and a "soak test" should follow shortly.
yeah i know it can be unlocked I already read that post. I would not have gotten this phone if the boot loader was not un-lockable. That's the whole reason I am moving away from my AT&T Galaxy s6. I was just trying to clarify if re-locking made any difference as far as the warranty is concerned. I appreciate the answers guys. Just trying to determine if I should keep it stock or use a custom ROM out of the box. Sounds like I will go stock for the time being. Now as far as unlocked boot loaders interfering with OTA's? Is this really a thing? And wouldn't somebody just post the OTA image on the forums when its ready anyway?
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yeah i know it can be unlocked I already read that post. I would not have gotten this phone if the boot loader was not un-lockable. That's the whole reason I am moving away from my AT&T Galaxy s6. I was just trying to clarify if re-locking made any difference as far as the warranty is concerned. I appreciate the answers guys. Just trying to determine if I should keep it stock or use a custom ROM out of the box. Sounds like I will go stock for the time being. Now as far as unlocked boot loaders interfering with OTA's? Is this really a thing? And wouldn't somebody just post the OTA image on the forums when its ready anyway?
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Well as to it being a thing, I certainly can't say for sure. But what reason is there to unlock the bootloader if you're not going to root? And once you do that, you almost certainly will not get OTA's. What am I missing? Is there another reason you are looking to unlock?
The one thing I don't know is if there a some type of a "tamper flag" that would require something like triangle away.
You don't think you could just do a fastboot oem lock?
Sorry to give you the wrong impression but I fully intend to root and also install Xposed and all that good stuff. There are a lot of things I need that require these things such as BubbleUPNP's audio cast feature, and of course the all powerful AdAway and YouTube AdAway in addition to Titanium Backup and Viper4Android etc. I normally use that stuff every day and so dealing with my last phone was like living in Android Hell. All the great hardware but software that was hopelessly mangled un-rootable and just sad for such a powerful device as the s6. Being able to have these things back is my number one reason for buying this phone so you best believe that's the very first thing I will do once it comes in lol. The only reason I am so concerned about the warranty is because I have needed it in the past for several other devices and so don't want do something that is un-doable. But from the sounds of it this will only affect me if the software causes the defect and I am fairly confident I can fix anything software related all by myself. Mostly only concerned about hardware defects and if they will still be covered that is just perfect.
And already I am feeling the difference here in this part of xda. The forums for the g920-a are like calling out into the dessert, and in no time at all you guys have address my major concerns. Thanks again
timde9 said:
Sorry to give you the wrong impression but I fully intend to root and also install Xposed and all that good stuff. There are a lot of things I need that require these things such as BubbleUPNP's audio cast feature, and of course the all powerful AdAway and YouTube AdAway in addition to Titanium Backup and Viper4Android etc. I normally use that stuff every day and so dealing with my last phone was like living in Android Hell. All the great hardware but software that was hopelessly mangled un-rootable and just sad for such a powerful device as the s6. Being able to have these things back is my number one reason for buying this phone so you best believe that's the very first thing I will do once it comes in lol. The only reason I am so concerned about the warranty is because I have needed it in the past for several other devices and so don't want do something that is un-doable. But from the sounds of it this will only affect me if the software causes the defect and I am fairly confident I can fix anything software related all by myself. Mostly only concerned about hardware defects and if they will still be covered that is just perfect.
And already I am feeling the difference here in this part of xda. The forums for the g920-a are like calling out into the dessert, and in no time at all you guys have address my major concerns. Thanks again
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I'd still recommend waiting at least a couple of weeks to see if Marshmallow shows up!
I'm coming to the MXPE from a OnePlus One which I have to say was one of the funnest phones I've ever owned. I wasiunlocked, rooted and flashing CM12.1 nightlies about twice a week.
I thought I would miss it, but so far so good on the MXPE without rooting. We'll have to see what happens after MM drops. I'd like to get it rooted, but I haven't done nearly the amount of modding you've done.
Good luck with your phone. I can honestly tell you it's a really nice device!
While its tempting to wait for marshmallow to show I cannot live without root any longer. I have already been without it for months because of this damn s6. I'm sure someone will upload the OTA as soon as it's available so I'll just flash it when the time comes.
timde9 said:
Sorry to give you the wrong impression but I fully intend to root and also install Xposed and all that good stuff. There are a lot of things I need that require these things such as BubbleUPNP's audio cast feature, and of course the all powerful AdAway and YouTube AdAway in addition to Titanium Backup and Viper4Android etc. I normally use that stuff every day and so dealing with my last phone was like living in Android Hell. All the great hardware but software that was hopelessly mangled un-rootable and just sad for such a powerful device as the s6. Being able to have these things back is my number one reason for buying this phone so you best believe that's the very first thing I will do once it comes in lol. The only reason I am so concerned about the warranty is because I have needed it in the past for several other devices and so don't want do something that is un-doable. But from the sounds of it this will only affect me if the software causes the defect and I am fairly confident I can fix anything software related all by myself. Mostly only concerned about hardware defects and if they will still be covered that is just perfect.
And already I am feeling the difference here in this part of xda. The forums for the g920-a are like calling out into the dessert, and in no time at all you guys have address my major concerns. Thanks again
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Well if you're an xposed user you should root immediately with no concern about the 6.0 OTA, since xposed doesn't work on 6.0. I'm not moving to 6.0, myself, until xposed is released for it. I use xposed modules everyday and am not giving it up, not even for doze mode.
That's kinda how I am feeling as well. I can achieve similar results to doze with the xposed app amplify with enough tweaking so its not a big deal.
So i would really like to root my LS997 (Sprint) LG V20, my only concern is there is no way back once rooted so if something happens to my phone and need to take it in the the store im pretty much screwed... so is it really worth rooting at this time without a way to go back to? Also would be the best way to root if i did decide to root this device (Link) would be greatly appreciated.. Thanks everyone!!
This is my 2 cents. I have previously rooted phones before as well as this phone, but I can't honestly say that I would recommend it. Don't get me wrong, the unlocking/rooting method (Dirty Santa) is straight forward and the support you get here on XDA is second to none, but if you're catious about not being able to go back to stock you may want to hesitate. You need to consider the pro's and con's and figure out for yourself what you want. I wanted to be able to reboot my phone without a static boot screen. I wanted to be able to update OTA the day the updates were available and to not rely on someone getting a clean update image, etc. I didn't see the benefit of the mods that are currently available, and the promise of getting all the stock LG apps to work on a Sprint phone is not 100% true. You can get some to work without root. There were several that still did not work (if that matters to you). Thankfully my phone glitched out and wouldn't boot, so Sprint offered me an exchange which I happily accepted. Let's just say that rooting on the Sprint variant is not for the faint of heart and you better not expect to need to send your phone in for any repairs as well. Bottom line, if it's your DD and you can't do without, I can't recommend rooting at this time. Just my 2 cents...
EDIT: For me to root again, I would need to have a bona fide working KDZ to return to stock and LineageOS to release an official ROM for LS997 that utilizes the second screen (I like it, so piss off, lol).
Ok so in a nut shell .. I should really just wait for a way to go back if needed ?
Spanky' said:
Ok so in a nut shell .. I should really just wait for a way to go back if needed ?
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NO,
You need to accept two things.
1.) Currently if you root, you will not have a way to go back to FULLY stock and locked, but thats no fun anyways lol,
The real issue with this isn't going back to "stock" but having a "kdz" avalible for the recovery of a hard bricked device, or a soft brick that you cant understand how to fix. This is a restore img that you use a pc to push to phone to update, downgrade, or restore a lg phone, and sadly Sprint wont be releasing a kdz publicly, and its not coming so dont ask for a eta .
2.) The dreaded static on the bootup screen. We lack the developers on the Sprint/LG side of things that work on boot.img's,
This puts a ton of V20 users sprint and others in a bad spot. Where once ur rooted, you have static, and thats gonna ALWAYS be the case, unless you flash a AOSP rom like lineage. For this one, its just a nucence issue on reboots, its not really a issue for use, but man i can say I do miss having a custom boot animation on a reboot ( The static covers up the boot logo etc until you lock your screen)
The rest is regular root stuff. Some bugs etc. As far as getting LG apps back, and 2nd screen support..
The stock lg apps are back, and working as far as im aware. At-least on my rom ive brought back 99% of lgs apps that were gone, but some i didn't care to bring back. Like LG calculator and LG calendar. The Google replacement is better and more synchronization. But things like LG gallery and lg stock messages were things that should have never been pulled, and LG did in fact put them back on their G6. Smart move lg. There isn't any stock apps im aware of that wont come back at this stage.
2nd screen is proprietary, so unless devs build their own app using the 2nd screen code on lineage is stealing and xda wont accept that. So if ur leaving lgs softwear to flash a aosp rom you knew going into this that 2nd screen isnt a option, and if untimately your looking for pure android you should get the pixel xl or equivalent pure device.
There are some things with Encryption that could cause issues, mostly for those using some sort of high end email that checks your device security may not work, but thats going to be any rooted/unlocked device id say.
The statement : its not for the faint of heart: is kinda true. Rooting isn't for some, and you better be able to read/follow instrucions that are provided, and make sure you have a grasp before starting.
There is a ton of info on the site for users to read and digest as well as the V20 section has stayed pretty active with users and devs alike, myself being the latter. There's hope on the horizon for the above mentioned. Both KDZ and Static are works in progress, and unless a dev who is knowledgeable on these things comes over to the device its the same og team working towards perfection.
As far as OTA updates go, there are 0 devices on the market that get software updates from the manufacture after you have modified your system etc. This isnt just manufacture hating on the root, but also avoiding bricking ur custom device with a block update that is targeting files that are gone/moved/changed. So dont worry about ota updates as they are gonna break everywhere on anything that's rooted. The ota updates get pulled by devs, tested and implimented as fast as we can, but if you want the updates as the launch then dont root and accept the device as is. 99% of the time the bennifits of fixing / changing all the other things on the device to be delayed on a ota is worth it. Sprint is the 1st V20 to get onto the Feb Sec. Patch, all other carriers are still on Dec or older. But the update came for the sprint V20, and within 30days of it being live, weve managed to get the ota pushed to our rooted users and its working GREAT!
I can say 1 thing for sure, if you update your V20 to zv6 without being rooted 1st this debate is over anyways as it wont/cant be rooted anymore and the decision is gone to do so. But otherwise, theres a reason youve landed on xda, wondering about what the hype is about rooting etc, ill just leave a screenshot of my device here for looks. Im very proud of the work myself and the rest of the community has done. The device runs 10x faster and longer then the OEM;s software the released, and so many little bugs etc have been fixed also on our end to enhance it further. With the countless options to theme, customize and change ur device, the learning and experience itself is $$.
Ultimately, i vote to root the $H!T out of your phone, and worst case, get it replaced and do it again if you F it up!
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NO,
You need to accept two things.
1.) Currently if you root, you will not have a way to go back to FULLY stock and locked, but thats no fun anyways lol,
The real issue with this isn't going back to "stock" but having a "kdz" avalible for the recovery of a hard bricked device, or a soft brick that you cant understand how to fix. This is a restore img that you use a pc to push to phone to update, downgrade, or restore a lg phone, and sadly Sprint wont be releasing a kdz publicly, and its not coming so dont ask for a eta .
2.) The dreaded static on the bootup screen. We lack the developers on the Sprint/LG side of things that work on boot.img's,
This puts a ton of V20 users sprint and others in a bad spot. Where once ur rooted, you have static, and thats gonna ALWAYS be the case, unless you flash a AOSP rom like lineage. For this one, its just a nucence issue on reboots, its not really a issue for use, but man i can say I do miss having a custom boot animation on a reboot ( The static covers up the boot logo etc until you lock your screen)
The rest is regular root stuff. Some bugs etc. As far as getting LG apps back, and 2nd screen support..
The stock lg apps are back, and working as far as im aware. At-least on my rom ive brought back 99% of lgs apps that were gone, but some i didn't care to bring back. Like LG calculator and LG calendar. The Google replacement is better and more synchronization. But things like LG gallery and lg stock messages were things that should have never been pulled, and LG did in fact put them back on their G6. Smart move lg. There isn't any stock apps im aware of that wont come back at this stage.
2nd screen is proprietary, so unless devs build their own app using the 2nd screen code on lineage is stealing and xda wont accept that. So if ur leaving lgs softwear to flash a aosp rom you knew going into this that 2nd screen isnt a option, and if untimately your looking for pure android you should get the pixel xl or equivalent pure device.
There are some things with Encryption that could cause issues, mostly for those using some sort of high end email that checks your device security may not work, but thats going to be any rooted/unlocked device id say.
The statement : its not for the faint of heart: is kinda true. Rooting isn't for some, and you better be able to read/follow instrucions that are provided, and make sure you have a grasp before starting.
There is a ton of info on the site for users to read and digest as well as the V20 section has stayed pretty active with users and devs alike, myself being the latter. There's hope on the horizon for the above mentioned. Both KDZ and Static are works in progress, and unless a dev who is knowledgeable on these things comes over to the device its the same og team working towards perfection.
As far as OTA updates go, there are 0 devices on the market that get software updates from the manufacture after you have modified your system etc. This isnt just manufacture hating on the root, but also avoiding bricking ur custom device with a block update that is targeting files that are gone/moved/changed. So dont worry about ota updates as they are gonna break everywhere on anything that's rooted. The ota updates get pulled by devs, tested and implimented as fast as we can, but if you want the updates as the launch then dont root and accept the device as is. 99% of the time the bennifits of fixing / changing all the other things on the device to be delayed on a ota is worth it. Sprint is the 1st V20 to get onto the Feb Sec. Patch, all other carriers are still on Dec or older. But the update came for the sprint V20, and within 30days of it being live, weve managed to get the ota pushed to our rooted users and its working GREAT!
I can say 1 thing for sure, if you update your V20 to zv6 without being rooted 1st this debate is over anyways as it wont/cant be rooted anymore and the decision is gone to do so. But otherwise, theres a reason youve landed on xda, wondering about what the hype is about rooting etc, ill just leave a screenshot of my device here for looks. Im very proud of the work myself and the rest of the community has done. The device runs 10x faster and longer then the OEM;s software the released, and so many little bugs etc have been fixed also on our end to enhance it further. With the countless options to theme, customize and change ur device, the learning and experience itself is $$.
Ultimately, i vote to root the $H!T out of your phone, and worst case, get it replaced and do it again if you F it up!
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Thank you for your detailed and informative reply... Im no newb to flashinging.. And understand the risks involved in rooting this perticular decive... As ive rooted many before.. Im on zv6 so it looks as though i cant root anywaus... Maybe some day we will get some kind of root and unroot... Hopefull thinking hahah ... But ya... Defiantly thinking about going back to samsung next upgrade...
My V20 was an absolute DOG before I rooted.
It was SLOOOOOOOOOW. The only thing that was fast was the battery draining.
Since rooting it is like night and day. Fast and battery last great.
midmadn said:
My V20 was an absolute DOG before I rooted.
It was SLOOOOOOOOOW. The only thing that was fast was the battery draining.
Since rooting it is like night and day. Fast and battery last great.
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To bad im on zv6 i cant root this
I rooted with Dirty Santa. While it was easy to do, I misread or missed a step, no problems though.
I like being able to get rid of all the LG and Sprint apps, drives me crazy that they sit there even though I have 96GB space on my phone.
The static on boot up isn't too bad, just don't ever let your phone die completely and don't reboot and it's not a bother. A few times I have let my phone go totally dead. Most of the time booting up is not an issue. Once or twice I couldn't get in. I had to remove my case, pull pull out the battery, and boot again.
I do miss getting OTA updates.. not only for security, but because when Android O comes out and I'm not able to update I'm going to feel I am missing something even if there's nothing much different.
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I rooted with Dirty Santa. While it was easy to do, I misread or missed a step, no problems though.
I like being able to get rid of all the LG and Sprint apps, drives me crazy that they sit there even though I have 96GB space on my phone.
The static on boot up isn't too bad, just don't ever let your phone die completely and don't reboot and it's not a bother. A few times I have let my phone go totally dead. Most of the time booting up is not an issue. Once or twice I couldn't get in. I had to remove my case, pull pull out the battery, and boot again.
I do miss getting OTA updates.. not only for security, but because when Android O comes out and I'm not able to update I'm going to feel I am missing something even if there's nothing much different.
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Im going to guess there will be a custom rom for android O availible before official comes out lol
Hey all,
First off let me just say great work to everyone involved with rooting this now "ancient" phone, especially klabit87 and jrkruse. Additionally, I do not mean to be ungrateful with this post, nor suggest that rooting a phone is easy, especially one with a locked bootloader, or that the users here are entitled to such a feature.
With that out of the way....
I haven't looked into rooting this phone EVER until now. Haven't even peaked at XDA or Googled anything, I didn't even know it was possible until yesterday. I've re-ROMed all my previous phones but was actually satisfied with the stock S7 experience other than a Launcher swap and dealing with the always laggy Google maps. Well recently I got a new car and got fed up with the obnoxious list/action limit that Android Auto has as the voice search can be quite unreliable, the letter search is somewhat bugged on the media player I use, and in the end all it does is encourage people to just use their phone to change songs/settings and send messages, thereby completely failing at its goal of being safer. So, I really wanted to get Xposed installed to use the module that makes AA a lot more usable; however, now that I've looked back into the scene a bit, I'm not so sure I want to move forward.
To preface my question: Every Android device I've had before was essentially either rootable or not and ultimately banked on a security exploit that was eventually found. There were never really any concerns about major issues unless you were changing ROMs, kernels, or testing major CPU behavior changes. Just rooting itself was almost always issue free other than a small bug or two or the need to reapply at reboot.
From what I gather, it seems to me that they only way currently to gain root privileges on this device is to install this ENG kernel that's talked about in a lot of more recent posts. Is it truly the case that someone had to write a kernel from scratch that was pre-rooted and as of right now there is no way to root the device as it is stock? Is it that the only known exploit is how to flash another kernel, and the stock kernel is still locked up tight? It sucks that the current root seems so unstable/slow. I know there are a plethora of fixes but there really is no one major fix (other than potentially reflashing the stock bootloader that for some reason seems to work), and its a matter of installing a boat load of CPU and resource management tweaks and even then the performance/battery life isn't quite stock. Additionally it seems like its definitely a YMMV kind of thing as some users seem to still have significant battery drain or slowness/heat even after trying tons of fixes.
Since I am just now getting familiar with the "homebrew" the phone I've had for 3+ years and know nothing about the work that's been done, I genuinely just want to know the technical implications that got in the way of a cleaner root and why the current root method is stuck as sort of a work-around so to speak. The people that manage these breakthroughs rarely post about the process they went through unless its pertinent to a guide on how to root, so I was just curious why the root for this device is in the current state it is.
I would really like to root my Edge so I can be done with the AA nonsense but after just getting a new battery put in I really don't want to go through ****ty battery life again haha.
Thanks to all who weigh in.
Verizon requires most if not all manufacturers to lock the bootloaders. This is also Samsung choice as well. The T-mobile S7/edge and newer have locked bootloaders as well. Difference is T-mobile leaves it up to the OEMs whether they want to lock it or not. With some U.S. businesses and enterprises using Samsung Galaxy devices. They focus on being "enterprise ready" which makes sense from a business standpoint.
Believe it or not, Samsung used to be developer friendly when the S II came out. They even gave away Galaxy S2 devices to some XDA devs.
So, if you want a Samsung device with an unlock able bootloader. Get one that has an Exynos SoC or the Chinese Snapdragon variant.
I'm about 2 years into my ownership of Moto G7, and have yet to root or install any custom ROM, so I'm running the latest OTA update of Android 10. In recent weeks, I'm really starting to notice a big slow down. So looking for quick and honest advice: will it be worth the time and effort to root and flash a custom ROM? Will that noticeably improve my performance and make me happy continuing to use this phone for a while? What's the best custom ROM for this phone right now? Thanks!
Probably should have stopped OTA updates on the last good version. Updates kill phones.
If the OS is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission... let it be! I'm still running on Pie on my 10+, no updates for over 1.5 years... and zero issues.
Security simply isn't an issue with Androids most times even with outdated firmware unless you do something stupid.
My current OS load is over a year old...
Try a factory reset if you haven't done one since a major firmware update. That may resolve the issues.
...or find whatever is slowing u down. or I can recommend Lineage OS 18...constantly updated and polished...lots of users hence good support!
I'd say yes, but have a backup phone. Maybe have a plan to buy a new one if this fails. It has been two years since I rooted my black/blue one and I haven't regretted it. Some of my apps require it.
I just got another one like it only in white that's badly broken. I have tried to root it but I'm tired and pain meds are making my mind unclear. I did unlock the bootloader without any trouble. Mainly I wanted it so I could change its battery without damaging it, then decide if I want to change the battery in the black one or take it to a shop.
If I can bring the project phone up to speed I'll run it with my secondary line.
In short, though, yes. Be sure to back it up first, as this will delete all user data. The G7 64 ROM / 4 RAM is a very capable phone even as old as it is.
Finally mustered the courage and did it. So far, so good. Glad I did. Thanks for the advice!