I noticed that my new TD2 has a very poor quality of the front camera compared to the D1. I don't know if it's faulty, but it looks like digital zoomed, even if settings are superfine and L size.
zooster said:
I noticed that my new TD2 has a very poor quality of the front camera compared to the D1. I don't know if it's faulty, but it looks like digital zoomed, even if settings are superfine and L size.
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It's just a crap camera... that's all. You wouldn't need a better resolution for video calling anyway. If you really need to make loads of self portraits, then rather find a friend.
AceofSpades25 said:
It's just a crap camera... that's all. You wouldn't need a better resolution for video calling anyway. If you really need to make loads of self portraits, then rather find a friend.
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LOL !!
But I think that the back 5mpx camera is crappy too... (compared with my old Nokia N95 classic).
If the ambient light isn't PERFECT, the camera is useless...
Front camera is a VGA (640x480) CMOS unit with no zoom capabilities; It will look blocky on almost any screen nowerdays (It's even lower resolution than the screen on the phone itself). As for the rear camera being worse than the N95 classic, the N95 was fitted with Carl Zeiss optics; Specialist lenses for cameras, and fairly good quality considering the market. It was (and still is) a very good camera phone. HTC cameras are *notoriously* bad. Autofocus is great, but no use without a decent CCD and optics. Heavy blurring under motion and poor ambient light handling are typical issues. The trouble is that HTC don't make camera phones, they make PDAs with camera and phone capabilities. Still, it's better than the iPhone...
If you want a decent camera above all else, send your phone back and get either a Pixon or any SE phone / Nokia N series handset.
DeathJester said:
Front camera is a VGA (640x480) CMOS unit with no zoom capabilities; It will look blocky on almost any screen nowerdays (It's even lower resolution than the screen on the phone itself). As for the rear camera being worse than the N95 classic, the N95 was fitted with Carl Zeiss optics; Specialist lenses for cameras, and fairly good quality considering the market. It was (and still is) a very good camera phone. HTC cameras are *notoriously* bad. Autofocus is great, but no use without a decent CCD and optics. Heavy blurring under motion and poor ambient light handling are typical issues. The trouble is that HTC don't make camera phones, they make PDAs with camera and phone capabilities. Still, it's better than the iPhone...
If you want a decent camera above all else, send your phone back and get either a Pixon or any SE phone / Nokia N series handset.
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OK I know that... but why make a phone with *5mpx* camera with crappy lens ? Why don't make 3.2mpx camera with good lens ? Just marketing ?
And I`ll pay some extra 20$ for some LED flash too
Wait.. I said so 'cause the front camer on Diamond 1 was waaaay better!
This one looks ugly, dark, pixelated and zoomed. Just sh**ty!
I was supposing that it's kinda faulty. I would try how it is after a rom upgrade... atm still stick to the rom in signature.
I took a couple of videos and the quality to me just isn't that great. This is with the UHD setting. Just isn't that clear for UHD.
I agree I had lots of noise/grain in mine. FHD60 seems a bit cleaner
This is a pic zoomed in half way. Looks awful. I bought this phone because the camera was supposed to be unreal. Is this normal or just maybe I have a bad cam?
Shot some video in a dark bar venue of a band playing. Using the main lens and manual settings, it turned out really well. The wide angle left a bit to be desired as shot but I think I have an idea for that lens. Shot with 1080 at 30fps high bit rate. Posted it in another thread over the weekend.
And at full zoom
Shot at 1080 30...
anth75 said:
Shot at 1080 30...
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Looks as though you may have a dirty lens.
The light in the room is a give away of grease or finger prints across lens. As the ceiling light starts to chase across your shot.
Same thing can cause grainy pictures. As it effects even a camera shot the same way.
Always try cleaning the lens if the shot seems to be poor.
shwnr11 said:
Looks as though you may have a dirty lens.
The light in the room is a give away of grease or finger prints across lens. As the ceiling light starts to chase across your shot.
Same thing can cause grainy pictures. As it effects even a camera shot the same way.
Always try cleaning the lens if the shot seems to be poor.
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I've tried to clean the lens, no luck. Do u think it's the phone itself?
Did you set to record in high bit rate?
Personally, I think the camera, both video and still, is the weakest part of the phone. I am not happy with that, but will live with it until the Note 8 comes out.
And you removed protector of the camera lens?
anth75 said:
Shot at 1080 30...
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What other settings did you use? (ISO, Shutter Speed, Bit Rate, Filters?)
I will say that it looks like you're using the digital zoom, which is always problem #1. Never use digital zoom unless you have to do so. Whoever came up with this gimmick should be dragged out into the street and hung. It just doesn't get you anything but a mess. Optical zoom is optimal. Bipedal zoom is your secondary option. Digital zoom just shouldn't be an option. It is quite literally the option you choose when you want to have some sort of shot, any shot, and you don't care about the quality of the shot. This goes for any device from a cellphone up to a DSLR.
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This was shot in a very dark bar venue with mediocre stage lighting. (Strike one against getting decent footage.) ISO 3200 (Another strike against any decent footage as you're maxing out the gain on the sensor.) 1080 at 30fps so I used a shutter speed of 1/60. I used the high bit rate setting. The refocusing is me touching the screen as I couldn't tell if I had good focus since it was dark and my eyes kinda suck these days without readers. I was playing with the audio settings and had no idea how to set it for a concert so I cheated and used approximately what I found for concert settings in the HD recorder app.
Considering the conditions..... the V20 did extremely well! I could pick things out in the audio that I couldn't live in person. In person, it was just a wall of sound sometimes. The video turned out amazing for being a tiny camera sensor. The only real thing I can knock the V20 on is the video stabilization. There needs to be settings somewhere so I can turn the OIS and EIS off and on so I know if it is on or off.
Are you using the stock cam app? I don't see anything where I can change the zoom type.
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Are you using the stock cam app? I don't see anything where I can change the zoom type.
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Yup, stock camera app. There is no setting for changing the zoom type. If you aren't clicking the one tree/three tree buttons, then you are going through a digital zoom. Only clicking those two buttons uses purely "optical zoom" although in reality, you're just completely switching cameras. (Different sensors and different lenses which presents its own issues since the wider view uses a smaller sensor and smaller aperture while the main shooter uses a "larger" sensor and larger aperture.)
Using pinch to zoom or the zoom slider means you're going through digital zoom. So if you start at the widest setting with the wide view and start zooming, the image quality is only going to get worse until you pop over into the main imaging group. Then if you continue to zoom, the image quality will degrade again. The best quality you're ever going to get out of any single focal length imaging assembly (which is what we're technically dealing with here, two single focal length imaging assemblies) is at its native focal magnification and at its base ISO. Which the photo options says is 50 but that's not always necessarily true, I'd have to look up the native sensor ISO online to be sure.
Did an unprocessed and processed test with my v20. By far the best dynamic range of any phone camera I've worked with.
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What other settings did you use? (ISO, Shutter Speed, Bit Rate, Filters?)
I will say that it looks like you're using the digital zoom, which is always problem #1. Never use digital zoom unless you have to do so. Whoever came up with this gimmick should be dragged out into the street and hung. It just doesn't get you anything but a mess. Optical zoom is optimal. Bipedal zoom is your secondary option. Digital zoom just shouldn't be an option. It is quite literally the option you choose when you want to have some sort of shot, any shot, and you don't care about the quality of the shot. This goes for any device from a cellphone up to a DSLR.
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The only positive thing I found about the digital zoom on the v20 which is unique in my experience is that when you're shooting 1080p on other phones, even though it's a 4k sensor it zooms up on the post sampled 1080p frame instead of taking advantage of the 4k sensor and zooming up without any quality loss. The V20 appears to do just that and up to a point there's no fidelity loss with the digital zoom because you're sampling a smaller section of the sensor..
vargala81 said:
And you removed protector of the camera lens?
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Don't remove that. It helps protect the glass from scratches and shatter.
anth75 said:
This is a pic zoomed in half way. Looks awful. I bought this phone because the camera was supposed to be unreal. Is this normal or just maybe I have a bad cam?
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Did you gain any insight to help fix your grainy pic issues? I'm having the same problem. I keep seeing people suggest to remove the plastic protector but it has cutouts for the lenses and the sensors so I don't see how that makes a difference. I'm taking pictures without any zooming but when I take a look at the results and zoom in to different parts to review, it looks horrible and grainy.
arn82 said:
Did you gain any insight to help fix your grainy pic issues? I'm having the same problem. I keep seeing people suggest to remove the plastic protector but it has cutouts for the lenses and the sensors so I don't see how that makes a difference. I'm taking pictures without any zooming but when I take a look at the results and zoom in to different parts to review, it looks horrible and grainy.
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What is your photo size set at? 16mp or 12mp?
arn82 said:
Did you gain any insight to help fix your grainy pic issues? I'm having the same problem. I keep seeing people suggest to remove the plastic protector but it has cutouts for the lenses and the sensors so I don't see how that makes a difference. I'm taking pictures without any zooming but when I take a look at the results and zoom in to different parts to review, it looks horrible and grainy.
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I haven't. I wouldnt take the plastic off. As you said, it has cutouts for the lens. Not impressed at all with the camera
I'm amazed at your low light video. I also thought the camera was the weak point of the phone. Guess I need to work on my manual focus skills.
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For some reason the exposure on the front camera is really low. When switching back and forth from selfie mode and video mode there is a huge drop in exposure, compared to the front camera where there isn't any difference at all. Looking at all the video tests for the front camera on youtube, they all look fine in comparison. I can't tell if this is a hardware defect or if the front video camera on the axon 7 isn't that great. Anybody else have this issue?
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For some reason the exposure on the front camera is really low. When switching back and forth from selfie mode and video mode there is a huge drop in exposure, compared to the front camera where there isn't any difference at all. Looking at all the video tests for the front camera on youtube, they all look fine in comparison. I can't tell if this is a hardware defect or if the front video camera on the axon 7 isn't that great. Anybody else have this issue?
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Hi, I have the same problem at low light but it's fine at good light condition. It seems that the back camera automatically adjusts the exposure at low light, but the font camera does a bad job. However, you can manually adjust the exposure thorough the vertical slider on the right. The algorithm of Axon 7's camera sucks!
Hey, is there a mod which would improve image stabilization in this phone? It has optical and software stabilization but both suck balls when I see example Sony's Steady Shot.
I even would expect optical stabilization better than software one but the more I use this phone the more I see that videos are not steady. You don't have to shake your hands, you just walk with phone in hands and image is still not steady.
Soft stabilization is crap as it makes video really bad in Samsung. Is there way to improve it?
All I can say is that from my time using the Sony Z3, their steady shot really isn't all it's cracked up to be. Basically it crops the camera frame so you can't fit as much in, and also it's terrible in low light as it struggles to pick up the anchor points on the image in order to software-stabilise.
I always turn off software stabilisation on any device. I think the S7 OIS is fine.
Even so, compared to the Samsung's implementation of software stabilization, Sony's solution is much more polished.
More to add, I expected much smoother movies with OIS in S7, but result is quite average.
What do you guys think about the camera performance? For me the front camera is great but the rear camera is disappointing. There is often blur in the pictures, especially on the sides of the photo. Perhaps I got a faulty unit.
flipp0 said:
What do you guys think about the camera performance? For me the front camera is great but the rear camera is disappointing. There is often blur in the pictures, especially on the sides of the photo. Perhaps I got a faulty unit.
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I have the same thoughts as you my friend, great performance from the front facing and nice to have front flash for those awkward moments but as for the rear facing camera I absolutely hate how when you from picture to video you really notice the difference and looks very tacky that's for sure. Quite sad to see no 60 FPS recording option but then again, it is a mid ranger so I can't have high expectations etc.
I do really miss using my Xperia X camera compared to the XA1 Ultra, boot up time on my X is insanely fast. Sometimes when booting camera from lockscreen can take 5-6 seconds to open which is slightly painful lol...