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Camera Quality.. HELP ME!!!!!

Is you XDA II camera still clear quality until now? I mean when you bought your XDA II means the camera is new and bright but now that your xda ii is old is your camera still in good quality? still bright? cuz i think mine become blur, i dont know why, i dont even dropped it yet. But i think it is only in my mind that it became blur, right??? HELP IS HIS TRUE??

Mine is still fine (6 months old)
Could it be your eyes got spoilt by all the fancy cameras with multi mega pixel quality that everyone seems to have?

Good heaven
Good Heaven. yours is 6 months but still the camera is still same as new?????? mine is 1 month, please post another that your camera is still ok... My device will be useless if no camera. I never drop it. Any one else???

help convince me plssssss

i never felt my cam was very good quality but it havent changed
and i dont really use it much

PLSSSSSSSS HELLLLLPPPPP!!!!!!

Just to confirm: I havent any decline in quality from my MDAII camera.
With VGA focus-free you cant expect the quality a lot low-cost digital cameras offer today . . .
It's OK for snapshots and to be honest this holiday I was suprised by the (relatively) good quality of the MP4 movies I captured.

my camera sucked from the first day i used it.
i NEVER used i since. quality is so bad - noone want's to have such pictures.
but judge yourself
regards ize|man

That one looks worse than mine, but of course lighting AND a steady hand do a lot!!!!

look..
i think that the camera will be good as digital cameras if there is a good light..
and try this to make it better..
go to camera..
and tab settings..then go to to tools..then adjest,,and options..and i think if u manged it will it'll be better..
and my i-mate (3 months old) and i dont see it changed or anything..
although i dropped it today very bad drop..and its fine..!

this is a picture i took
the details are absent and the bluer is bad
much like my old creative webcam which could be disconnected and used as a poor cam as well
have yet to see a cmos cam I liked quality wise
ofcause this is why real digital cams all use ccd and not cmos
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I think that picture quality is not so bad.
What really bothers me is that pixels seem not to be correctly "joint" (fitted?).
In other words, if you look at a poor quality picture, probably you will not see the subject defined and the picture will have "low-quality" everywhere; instead I have the feeling that qtek pictures could be easily improved just avoiding that sort of scattering and dithering between pixels which makes all blurred (just look at the picture attached before) and which is not related with resolution.
I hope someone can understand my opinion; it was a "matter of feeling", therefore hard to write in english (not being English of course :lol: )

I guess i was wrong, all of your xda's are older than mine and you even drop it ans still the camera never change. no one post that their cameras becomes weak or changed to bad. maybe your right, it is only my feelings. right?

i haven?t dropped it really well i did drop it down my shoe once while it was in the plastic case but i doubt that that would cause any damage
but i agree with the people who say the mp4 video clips look better of cause you don?t notice the imperfections of each frame as much in clips

looking to buy 2mp 8525 camera. do all 8525s take fair pics in low light?

i want to replace my tytn camera with a 8525 camera.
the 2mp camera in my tytn is terrible in low light.
at work one day i compared my tytn to someone's 8525 and the 8525 had a way better picture in low light.
now i want to find someone or a place to buy the 2mp 8525 camera.
but i want to make sure its not random that some 8525s have better cameras. i think some people have tytns
that take good low light pics. unlike mine
i think this a a hardware limit of the ccd. no programs such as cool camera help.

It seems to be a random thing, cause my 8525 sucks in low light, day light pictures look better, but I saw incredibly sharp pictures taken with some 8525s.
BTW I had the Cingular 8525 and now have the AT&T 8525, I didn't see any change.

i have TyTN and it sucks too, well not just in low light, also in day time it is not as good as other cheap 2mp mobile phones, like samsung or nokia...

Mine actually takes good daylight pic's. It's the low lite & flash that's poor.

8525 has bad pictures in low light...
I, personally, can't get my 8525 to take even half decent low light pictures.
Compared to some other phones, it may be a bit better, but changing out the cameras (unless you work for htc or something) isin't going to be easy... Plus you'll have no warranty.
On top of that, digital cameras are cheap nowadays... You could buy a much superior one for just as much as one that would go in your phone.
The ones in the phones are just another feature to sell the phone - In other words, they're not worth jack squat.

agree
buy a DSLR

I feel your pain!
If the camera took slightly better pictures I would be happy. I can get some decent results but pretty much only in good light.
To improve the quality of your photo's using the standard camera app try..
1) Reduce the Sharpening from default 7 to 1 (a must!)
2) Take down the Contrast from 5 to 2 or 1
3) Make sure quality is set to Super fine
4) To increase brightness in low light try changing the Metering mode from Centre to Average.
These have all helped to improve the quality of my pictures.

Camera Fix for the HD

I searched for a camera fix for the HD camera with no success. Does anyone know if there's going to be a fix in the near future? I'm sure that ya'll have the same problem that I do. Camera takes pictures that look old & rustic. Brownish tint to them & not very sharp for a 5 MP camera. I have adjusted all the settings for light & junk but nothing fixes it. As far as I'm concerned, it should take pictures IDENTICAL to a normal 5 MP digital camera. I can promise you that it's not doing that. Any help would be great, thanks in advance.

Vampire2800 said:
I searched for a camera fix for the HD camera with no success. Does anyone know if there's going to be a fix in the near future? I'm sure that ya'll have the same problem that I do. Camera takes pictures that look old & rustic. Brownish tint to them & not very sharp for a 5 MP camera. I have adjusted all the settings for light & junk but nothing fixes it. As far as I'm concerned, it should take pictures IDENTICAL to a normal 5 MP digital camera. I can promise you that it's not doing that. Any help would be great, thanks in advance.
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Why should it take pictures identical to a 5MP camera. The lens on the front is going to be vastly different, the sensor maybe 5MP, but what is the spacing on the sensor pixels? The closer together, the noisier the image. Colour balance will be down to the sensor too.
Regards

I'm not talking about the front camera. The normal camera on the back. I understand about the pixel thing, but it still shouldn't be so brownish, right? The pictures look like an old Polaroid picture. You know, the one's that spit the picture out as soon as you took it. Old, brown & nasty looking.

My pictures come out fine...

Hmmmmmmm...................... I'll just keep playing with it.

Vampire2800 said:
I'm not talking about the front camera. The normal camera on the back. I understand about the pixel thing, but it still shouldn't be so brownish, right? The pictures look like an old Polaroid picture. You know, the one's that spit the picture out as soon as you took it. Old, brown & nasty looking.
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I'm not being flippant, but is it possible you might have a dirty lens?

Lol, that was the first thing I tried. Cleaned both sides of the back cover & cleaned the lens on the camera. Good idea, though.

The "5mp" doesn't really mean much, as stated earlier, if the sensor and lens are poor quality. As far as I know, HTC haven't released a phone with a reasonable quality camera, yet.
I bounce between different smart-phones (just coming back to WM now, after a year with S60). I can say that many of the S60 devices (in particular the Nokia N95, but also the N82 with Xenon flash) have very good cameras, being similar to low-end digital cameras in daylight. They lack optical zoom and tend to over-compress images, but have good quality lenses.

imho hd camera is excelent
pictures look old & rustic only if you make them inside house without using the artificial light setting, and this is also a general rule, not specific to HD.

Never seen a good phone camera yet, including the latest 8mpixel ones. They're all terrible.

Never
This camera will NEVER take pictures anywhere near what real cameras do. The photo sites are so tiny, they are smaller then the length of waive of light. Therefore noise, lack of dynamic width, etc. No patch will ever fix that. Sorry

open back cover , clean the lens , you will see a huge difference in quality

Vampire2800 said:
Lol, that was the first thing I tried. Cleaned both sides of the back cover & cleaned the lens on the camera. Good idea, though.
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Not that I'm doubting you or anything but you do realize that the back cover only has a hole through to the lens?
You might try setting the brightness higher:
If you touch the small rectangle near the bottom right side of the screen (when holding landscape)
Then select the gear symbol, then select brightness from the menu and hit the "+" until it looks better that will remove most of the darkness.

The camera is a plain disappointment. In the time the camera autofocusses, I could have bought a Sony Ericsson C905's, create a good looking photo (with xenon flash) and upload it to imageshack.
If 'your object' makes the slightest move, your photo will be blurry . This is also the case when you attempt to make a photo of someone that isn't aware he or she has to be waiting for the autofocus lag. Head moves >>> blurry pic.
iPhone camera shots are way better quality, don't ask me why. Overall my Touch HD scores 8/10, where atleast 1 full point is taken up by the camera

and it's better don't speak about the very laggy video recording

mach03 said:
iPhone camera shots are way better quality, don't ask me why.
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Too many megapixels on a tiny sensor = major noise problem = blurring from denoise.
Even 2mpixels is too much for sensors this size, but people buy on marketing numbers of megapixels, not quality. You can just imagine the whining that would occur if the Touch HD came out with 1.3mpxiels, even though it would produce better pictures.

arfster said:
Too many megapixels on a tiny sensor = major noise problem = blurring from denoise.
Even 2mpixels is too much for sensors this size, but people buy on marketing numbers of megapixels, not quality. You can just imagine the whining that would occur if the Touch HD came out with 1.3mpxiels, even though it would produce better pictures.
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hehe, thats true.
mpixels dont count as much as the general public belives. the more mpix. the higher rezolution you can print the picture in. but for ordinary photos, 1.3 mpix would be enough, as long as the optics is good.

Personally, I rarely use a phone camera.
I use either my Olympus 720SW or Canon EOS.
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the camera sucks **** compared to the n95 and the video recording is horrid. i know it's not meant to be as good as a dedicated camera but this is pretty bad given the price of the device.
i concur with mach03, move the camera a slight bit and eveyrthing gets blurred. one way i've semi gotten aorund this is to unlock the burst functiona nd take a sequence of pics and hope one or two coems out alright, not the most economic way to do it though...
i would ahve thought that maybe there's a way to tweak the camera to stop the blurring or even affect how much light is picked up by the lens which should also help with clarity

Vampire2800 said:
I'm not talking about the front camera. The normal camera on the back. I understand about the pixel thing, but it still shouldn't be so brownish, right? The pictures look like an old Polaroid picture. You know, the one's that spit the picture out as soon as you took it. Old, brown & nasty looking.
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A silly idea, but seriously, did you check if maybe, just maybe, you left the "sepia" effect turned on???

One Week Using The Dell Venue pro

I decided to take a vacation from my GSII and decided too give the DVP a try and wow! is a gorgeous unique phone. I bought this device for cheap and my expectations weren't high at all. First thing I notice the great looks of the DVP have then the screen quality blew me away, I was expecting a screen like the HD2 or HD7 but is great nothing like Super Amoled Plus but its still better than the first HTC Windows phones. Where the DVP fell short or more like flat on its face was the camera, the camera is just a hit and miss. Too bad the DVP will just be another good phone murder by such a bad launch I hope MS keep supporting this device.

That sounds about right as:
SAMOLED+: SGSII
AMOLED: V/VP
S/LCD: HD2/7, Streak5
I can attest that even if it isnt a SAMOLED+, it's still nicer then S/LCD.
Wish it was SAMOLED though, even without the + the difference between a bonded display/glass and unbonded is pretty noticable.
Esp if you end up getting dust under the screen
Dell doesnt need MS to help them screw up launches, they already hold the record for that. (it's every single launch, or at worst all but one launch screwed up)
The camera is due to it being a WP7 device? The V has a 8MP cam and the VP has a 5MP cam (though I cant speak for the actual image quality on each), dell wouldnt randomly downgrade the camera without reason.

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That sounds about right as:
SAMOLED+: SGSII
AMOLED: V/VP
S/LCD: HD2/7, Streak5
I can attest that even if it isnt a SAMOLED+, it's still nicer then S/LCD.
Wish it was SAMOLED though, even without the + the difference between a bonded display/glass and unbonded is pretty noticable.
Esp if you end up getting dust under the screen
Dell doesnt need MS to help them screw up launches, they already hold the record for that. (it's every single launch, or at worst all but one launch screwed up)
The camera is due to it being a WP7 device? The V has a 8MP cam and the VP has a 5MP cam (though I cant speak for the actual image quality on each), dell wouldnt randomly downgrade the camera without reason.
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I agree the camera issue is all software not hardware if you look at the reviews of the Nokia N9 and the Lumia 800 or 900 the pictures come out more washout and the N9s pictures come out better with the same carl zeiss lens. Yeah this device was the most wanted of all windows devices and dell delayed the launch people were getting testing devices bugs and device issues more delays and the list goes on. I hope the designers of the DVP get another shot maybe in another company.

josemedina1983 said:
I agree the camera issue is all software not hardware if you look at the reviews of the Nokia N9 and the Lumia 800 or 900 the pictures come out more washout and the N9s pictures come out better with the same carl zeiss lens. Yeah this device was the most wanted of all windows devices and dell delayed the launch people were getting testing devices bugs and device issues more delays and the list goes on. I hope the designers of the DVP get another shot maybe in another company.
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HTC didn't seem to have any problems with the software and produced good cameras in the Titan and Radar. The crappy camera is all Dell.

I think he misunderstood me, I believe the camera issue is mostly hardware.
I dont recall what the WP7 specs are for cameras (besides having a rear one),
WP7 is really anal about chassis requirements, they had to use a specific sensor for the camera?
The VP has a 'worse' cam then the V regardless and dell devices in general have ok at best rear cams.
My old iphone 3g had a better camera, but it was intentionally limited by both hardware and software (fixed focus, no digital zoom)
Keep in mind that the cam isnt a single unit, it's the sensor and lense (and the software backing it).
Even if all WP7 devices used the same sensor there's nothing stopping manus from using their own lenses.
Dell really skimps out on lenses, that's much more important then whatever sensor's inside regardless.

efjay said:
HTC didn't seem to have any problems with the software and produced good cameras in the Titan and Radar. The crappy camera is all Dell.
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I'm not arguing that the dell camera is a low quality cam but the issue is software more than hardware. Me mentioning Nokia n9 and 800/900 was an example about camera quality, they use the same camera same optics and they still didn't manage to get the same quality. Why? because the software needs improvement nothing is wrong with the lens used on the 800 or 900 so is it Nokia been lazy or Windows holding the lens back who knows. The camera on HTC are good to average but dell did a poor job on the camera.

Grats on getting your DVP. I dont know if anyone has this but when I take pictures with my DVP, there is a pink tone to the picture(and it's not from my fingers being near the lens or something). But anyways, great phone but what really gets me is that there is only one case for the DVP which is the Otterbox communter not counting all of those leather cases.

bugggaman said:
Grats on getting your DVP. I dont know if anyone has this but when I take pictures with my DVP, there is a pink tone to the picture(and it's not from my fingers being near the lens or something). But anyways, great phone but what really gets me is that there is only one case for the DVP which is the Otterbox communter not counting all of those leather cases.
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I kinda doubt you can fix the pink spot try changing the camera settings maybe a miracle happens but that's another software issue. The other issue I have is dust under the screen I guess dell didn't seal the device correctly now I have to take it apart and clean it but I'm sure thats not gonna fix this problem in the long run.

Camera performance

What do you guys think about the camera performance? For me the front camera is great but the rear camera is disappointing. There is often blur in the pictures, especially on the sides of the photo. Perhaps I got a faulty unit.

flipp0 said:
What do you guys think about the camera performance? For me the front camera is great but the rear camera is disappointing. There is often blur in the pictures, especially on the sides of the photo. Perhaps I got a faulty unit.
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I have the same thoughts as you my friend, great performance from the front facing and nice to have front flash for those awkward moments but as for the rear facing camera I absolutely hate how when you from picture to video you really notice the difference and looks very tacky that's for sure. Quite sad to see no 60 FPS recording option but then again, it is a mid ranger so I can't have high expectations etc.
I do really miss using my Xperia X camera compared to the XA1 Ultra, boot up time on my X is insanely fast. Sometimes when booting camera from lockscreen can take 5-6 seconds to open which is slightly painful lol...