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I apologize if there is already a thread like this, but the search wasnt working.. I know what i can do with my phone once it is rooted, I am just interested in what happens tot he actual phone. I could be wrong, but once i root it isnt it always possible to tell that i rooted it even if i unroot it so therefor all warantees are voided? sorry if im being unclear, i cant think of another way to explain it haha.
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I apologize if there is already a thread like this, but the search wasnt working.. I know what i can do with my phone once it is rooted, I am just interested in what happens tot he actual phone. I could be wrong, but once i root it isnt it always possible to tell that i rooted it even if i unroot it so therefor all warantees are voided? sorry if im being unclear, i cant think of another way to explain it haha.
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The language on the "warranty void" screen says that unlocking the bootloader "may" void your warranty. On the Nexus One, HTC usually honored the warranty if the issue was with anything hardware related and could not have been the result of software tampering. Granted, that's them and this is Samsung.
Further, unless there is something hidden in the system files that counts the number of times you unlock the bootloader, you can always relock it prior to sending it in for repair with fastboot oem lock.
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The language on the "warranty void" screen says that unlocking the bootloader "may" void your warranty. On the Nexus One, HTC usually honored the warranty if the issue was with anything hardware related and could not have been the result of software tampering. Granted, that's them and this is Samsung.
Further, unless there is something hidden in the system files that counts the number of times you unlock the bootloader, you can always relock it prior to sending it in for repair with fastboot oem lock.
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So there is a way to kind of undo the root without them knowing? THanks a lot btw. I figured it was something like this.
The K-Zoo Kid said:
So there is a way to kind of undo the root without them knowing? THanks a lot btw. I figured it was something like this.
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unlocking the bootloader and rooting are two different things
jblade1000 said:
unlocking the bootloader and rooting are two different things
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Ahh i have no idea what unlocking the bootloader does then.
The K-Zoo Kid said:
Ahh i have no idea what unlocking the bootloader does then.
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In a nutshell, unlocking the bootloader means you will be allowed to flash non-Google/custom files to the system partition and more or less enables superuser access(aka root). Once thats done, then you "root" the device, push the Superuser.apk which will enable the rooted apps. Please check out the rooted section of my stickied FAQ for more detail on how to do this if you decide to. There are two great threads I link to.
Once you lock the bootloader, you lose access to the system partition and superuser I believe which effectively unroots it.
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In a nutshell, unlocking the bootloader means you will be allowed to flash non-Google/custom files to the system partition and more or less enables superuser access(aka root). Once thats done, then you "root" the device, push the Superuser.apk which will enable the rooted apps. Please check out the rooted section of my stickied FAQ for more detail on how to do this if you decide to. There are two great threads I link to.
Once you lock the bootloader, you lose access to the system partition and superuser I believe which effectively unroots it.
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So basically if you want to do any sort of mods, flash roms, etc. you need to unlock the bootload and root. Thanks a lot for explaining that. I think i understand it now, but just to clarify, if i unlock the bootloader and root will i be able to get the phone back to stock without samsung knowing that i rooted/unlock the bootloader?
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So basically if you want to do any sort of mods, flash roms, etc. you need to unlock the bootload and root. Thanks a lot for explaining that. I think i understand it now, but just to clarify, if i unlock the bootloader and root will i be able to get the phone back to stock without samsung knowing that i rooted/unlock the bootloader?
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Yes, to mod/flash roms you need to unlock the bootloader. It's possible that sometime down the road someone may develop a method of gaining root access on the phone without touching it, but it's unlikely given the fact that we can both unlock and lock the bootloader very easily.
Right now, the answer is... more or less. If you make a NAND backup in Clockwork Recovery/Rom manager of your stock ROM, you can restore back to that, fastboot flash the closest thing we have currently to the stock recovery(check development section for this), then relock the bootloader. This will give the phone all appearances of being stock. Unless Samsung has something deep in the system files tracking the number of times you've unlocked/locked(which I doubt, since I'm sure such a system would have been found by now), you should be good to go.
Most people who have returned the phone to Best Buy have noted that they don't even power on the device or check to see if the bootloader is unlocked or if there's a custom recovery on there. But your mileage may vary.
Interesting stuff. I was under the impression that once clockworkmod is flashed there is no way to remove it at this time.
Reading this thread I'm guessing and hoping this is not the case?
I had clockworkmod installed but used rom manager to flash the 2.3.1 update and i've now got the stock bootloader back. I guess the ota update does the same? It would seem that getting back to stock is pretty easy.
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xspyda said:
Interesting stuff. I was under the impression that once clockworkmod is flashed there is no way to remove it at this time.
Reading this thread I'm guessing and hoping this is not the case?
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My apologies, I posted that before I came to the same understanding regarding the stock recovery.
Like the poster above me mentioned there is a NAND backup of stock 2.3.1 you could restore to which has the stock recovery.
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Thanks for the clarification. I'll do some more reading in the dev section
Thanks a lot, this really helped me out a lot. I will proceed to rooting
So, just want to make sure I have this straight... You unlock the bootloader, load custom recovery, SU, and now phone is rooted. If you lock the bootloader, you lose root?
For me, I'm not big on custom roms since I just don't have time to keep things up to date or participate in the bug process, but I do like to maintain backups with Titanium (my primary reason for rooting). So by locking the bootloader down I will not be able to use Titanium. Furthermore, unlocking the bootloader wipes the device. So is there a reason one would not want to keep the bootloader unlocked? Have I completely misunderstood the system?
Hi Guys
I have 3 questions regarding Moto X Style Bootloader unlocking.
Can we unlock the Moto X Style bootloader after locking it after first unlock?
Can this process be repeated multiple times if we need to?
Can we use the same unique unlock key that we received while unlocking the bootloader for the first time?
Thank you
Why would you want to do this?
psandeepn said:
Hi Guys
I have 3 questions regarding Moto X Style Bootloader unlocking.
Can we unlock the Moto X Style bootloader after locking it after first unlock?
Can this process be repeated multiple times if we need to?
Can we use the same unique unlock key that we received while unlocking the bootloader for the first time?
Thank you
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Yes you can do it as many times as you want but 1: Why would you relock afterwards 2: You will have to deal with a factory reset every time
PS: I dont know about the unlock key but most likely you can use the same
Is there any way to remove the Bootloader unlock warning ⚠ without relocking bootloader?
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psandeepn said:
Hi Guys
I have 3 questions regarding Moto X Style Bootloader unlocking.
Can we unlock the Moto X Style bootloader after locking it after first unlock?
Can this process be repeated multiple times if we need to?
Can we use the same unique unlock key that we received while unlocking the bootloader for the first time?
Thank you
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Theres no reason really to relock it. Once its unlocked, the bootloader will show that it was unlocked regardless if you relock it.
atishey23 said:
Is there any way to remove the Bootloader unlock warning without relocking bootloader?
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Yes
Pyramid Head said:
Yes you can do it as many times as you want but 1: Why would you relock afterwards 2: You will have to deal with a factory reset every time
PS: I dont know about the unlock key but most likely you can use the same
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Thanks for your reply.
The reason for attempting to re-lock bootloader is to get the OTA update from Motorola till date, especially Reliance Jio VoLTE support...But if I wish to make any further changes to my phone with any custom rom I should be able to do it by unlocking the bootloader again.
Thanks
psandeepn said:
Thanks for your reply.
The reason for attempting to re-lock bootloader is to get the OTA update from Motorola till date, especially Reliance Jio VoLTE support...But if I wish to make any further changes to my phone with any custom rom I should be able to do it by unlocking the bootloader again.
Thanks
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You don't have to lock the bootloader to take an OTA. You just need to be in a completely unmodified stock state: stock recovery, unmodified system, no root, etc. Bootloader can be unlocked.
jason2678 said:
You don't have to lock the bootloader to take an OTA. You just need to be in a completely unmodified stock state: stock recovery, unmodified system, no root, etc. Bootloader can be unlocked.
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Thanks for your reply.
I have unlocked bootloader, TWRP recovery and rooted. If I unroot and flash stock recovery, I will be able to get OTA? Do I need to take care of anything else?
psandeepn said:
Thanks for your reply.
I have unlocked bootloader, TWRP recovery and rooted. If I unroot and flash stock recovery, I will be able to get OTA? Do I need to take care of anything else?
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That might work. Frankly I'm not sure. I haven't actually taken successfully an OTA on any phone since sometime in 2013 honestly.
I once flashed this phone totally back to stock. Every partition but logo, and it failed to take an OTA. I don't know if it failed because I had a modified logo, or maybe I had mounted system r/w. Not sure.
Hopefully someone more knowledgeable on this topic will chime in.
psandeepn said:
Thanks for your reply.
I have unlocked bootloader, TWRP recovery and rooted. If I unroot and flash stock recovery, I will be able to get OTA? Do I need to take care of anything else?
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The answer is maybe... it depends what you have changed and what this OTA updater script actually checks for.
We know that a stock bootloader (which can be unlocked, that is not relevant), stock recovery, and stock system image are required to take an OTA. If the system image has been modified it can fail, and we know the updater has the ability to see if /system has EVER been mounted R/W and can fail for that condition although so far it doesn't seem Moto is going that extreme.
We do know a modified logo does not affect an OTA, in fact, you can even relock the bootloader with a modified logo so it must not be a significant check.
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That might work. Frankly I'm not sure. I haven't actually taken successfully an OTA on any phone since sometime in 2013 honestly.
I once flashed this phone totally back to stock. Every partition but logo, and it failed to take an OTA. I don't know if it failed because I had a modified logo, or maybe I had mounted system r/w. Not sure.
Hopefully someone more knowledgeable on this topic will chime in.
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On my father's moto e lte I received OTA without issue with unlocked bootloader, I just flashed stock image and it was ready to update, btw I'm not sure but I've seen somewhere info that you can change bootlogo even with locked bootloader so I don't think that's the issue.
Btw after you once unlock bootloader you won't be able to truly lock it again, next time you will be able to unlock it without any code so you lose some security in this process, frp won't be working anymore.
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On my father's moto e lte I received OTA without issue with unlocked bootloader, I just flashed stock image and it was ready to update, btw I'm not sure but I've seen somewhere info that you can change bootlogo even with locked bootloader so I don't think that's the issue.
Btw after you once unlock bootloader you won't be able to truly lock it again, next time you will be able to unlock it without any code so you lose some security in this process, frp won't be working anymore.
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You still need code to unlock each time, but it's the same code, and if you relock OEM Unlocking gets turned off and you would have to turn it on again... So if something fails on the first boot after relocking, your f*cked, no way to unlock.
And FRP definitely works if the bootloader is unlocked, it is just much easier to bypass.
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You still need code to unlock each time, but it's the same code, and if you relock OEM Unlocking gets turned off and you would have to turn it on again... So if something fails on the first boot after relocking, your f*cked, no way to unlock.
And FRP definitely works if the bootloader is unlocked, it is just much easier to bypass.
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You're right sorry
Hi. I am using this zip to flash Stock ROM and lock bootloader.
But when I run the "fastboot oem lock" command after running all the commands, I get the error: "Still require signed boot.img".
And the bootloader is not locked.
Please help me out.
What reasons are there for wanting to relock? have you decided to go back to stock and can't use android pay etc?
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What reasons are there for wanting to relock? have you decided to go back to stock and can't use android pay etc?
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I want to sell it.
ah right, In that case I can't help as I'm in the same situation, can't relock however I am keeping my device, I was going to suggest Magisk to hide root etc but obviously not what you're looking for now
mstoic said:
Hi. I am using this zip to flash Stock ROM and lock bootloader.
But when I run the "fastboot oem lock" command after running all the commands, I get the error: "Still require signed boot.img".
And the bootloader is not locked.
Please help me out.
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After fastboot oem lock
Flash boot , oem and all system images then again type fastboot oem lock.
It works for me..
Just so you know, relocking the bootloder does not restore the warranty. You need to let the person you are selling it to know that the warranty is still void. Lenovo keeps track of devices that were unlocked, so even relocking it will not revalidate the warranty.
jbardi said:
Just so you know, relocking the bootloder does not restore the warranty. You need to let the person you are selling it to know that the warranty is still void. Lenovo keeps track of devices that were unlocked, so even relocking it will not revalidate the warranty.
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You mean to say once i ask for unlock code my warranty is voided even if do not unlock after that
milav said:
You mean to say once i ask for unlock code my warranty is voided even if do not unlock after that
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Possibly. Unsure if it is voided upon simply requesting the code or only after actually unlocking it, but it is definitely voided upon a successful unlock.
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jbardi said:
Just so you know, relocking the bootloder does not restore the warranty. You need to let the person you are selling it to know that the warranty is still void. Lenovo keeps track of devices that were unlocked, so even relocking it will not revalidate the warranty.
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Sure, I will let them know. But locking can still benefit if the service center guy only checks for bootloader unlock status.
mstoic said:
Sure, I will let them know. But locking can still benefit if the service center guy only checks for bootloader unlock status.
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Have you succeeded in relocking??
milav said:
Have you succeeded in relocking??
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Not yet. Can't get the answer anywhere.
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Not yet. Can't get the answer anywhere.
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So above mentioned method is not working hmmm
For now, S-OFF from SunShine on the htc u11 is temporary. Changes you make while S-OFF will stay, they are not temporary, just the S-OFF flag is. All the same features, with exception of the ability to use custom hboot/aboot. Seriously, aboot patchers, don't bother trying at this point. Once you reboot into Android or Recovery, the device will reset back S-ON.
Changing mid, changing cid, downgrading etc all still work fine. If you want to change it a second time, just run sunshine again.
If/when a forever s-off comes, those with temp s-off will be upgraded at no cost.
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For now, S-OFF from SunShine on the htc u11 is temporary. Changes you make while S-OFF will stay, they are not temporary, just the S-OFF flag is. All the same features, with exception of the ability to use custom hboot/aboot. Seriously, aboot patchers, don't bother trying at this point. Once you reboot into Android or Recovery, the device will reset back S-ON.
Changing mid, changing cid, downgrading etc all still work fine. If you want to change it a second time, just run sunshine again.
If/when a forever s-off comes, those with temp s-off will be upgraded at no cost.
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Thanks man. I been holding off unlocking for a while waiting for this to come.
Many thanks @jcase for explanation. What about 2PZC RUU zip files flashing in case of temporary S-OFF? You know device reboots many times. Can we convert my devices to different variants?
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blueberry60 said:
Many thanks @jcase for explanation. What about 2PZC RUU zip files flashing in case of S-OFF? You know device reboots many times. Can we convert my devices to different variants?
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It only clears if booting into android or recovery. You can reboot into download/bootloader without clearing it
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It only clears if booting into android or recovery. You can reboot into download/bootloader without clearing it
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@jcase
After getting Temp-S-Off, and later entering the DownloadMode mode, we see "S-Onn" (which is natural for temporary).
In the "OpenDSP" section there is "UNKNOWN".
And in the bootloader flag has changed status to "Modified".
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qriozum said:
@jcase
After getting Temp-S-Off, and later entering the DownloadMode mode, we see "S-Onn" (which is natural for temporary).
In the "OpenDSP" section there is "UNKNOWN".
And in the bootloader flag has changed status to "Modified".
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what's wrong with that? it is the same for me since I unlocked the bootloader. 2 months ago. both unknown and modified.
also can confirm now all works, changed CID twice (don't ask)
velimirchek said:
it is the same for me since I unlocked the bootloader. 2 months ago. both unknown and modified.
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Same here.
velimirchek said:
changed CID twice (don't ask)
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Why did you change CID twice?
Kisakuku said:
Same here.
Why did you change CID twice?
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Because of @tbalden and you
I changed to 060 and then to 622.
Kisakuku said:
Is it safe to flash custom splash images?
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I'll answer my own question. No issues flashing custom splash images in bootloader (nb0) or download mode (zip with android-info.txt), but obviously can't use recovery-based scripts (no S-OFF in recovery). Splash images made for the 10 work fine, since the screen resolution hasn't changed.
Kisakuku said:
I'll answer my own question. No issues flashing custom splash images in bootloader (nb0) or download mode (zip with android-info.txt), but obviously can't use recovery-based scripts (no S-OFF in recovery). Splash images made for the 10 work fine, since the screen resolution hasn't changed.
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Thanks, I would have answered you but was sleeping
qriozum said:
@jcase
After getting Temp-S-Off, and later entering the DownloadMode mode, we see "S-Onn" (which is natural for temporary).
In the "OpenDSP" section there is "UNKNOWN".
And in the bootloader flag has changed status to "Modified".
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OpenDSP should show unknown while s-on, that is normalm. Modified is normal as well, as you have an unlocked modified phone. You can clear that with a ruu most likely
My understanding with S-Off was that the bootloader can be unlocked and relocked without HTC noticing - is that the case?
For what it's worth I've not had a device fail on me over the years, but given their recent change of policy towards unlocking, the the screen issues and etc, I've not placed a custom ROM on this phone incase it does go all wrong and I need the warranty...
Could someone please confirm?
Doughnut said:
My understanding with S-Off was that the bootloader can be unlocked and relocked without HTC noticing - is that the case?
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Support for S-OFF Locked is coming at some point in the future.
Follow this thread thanks Jcase for your hard work
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OpenDSP should show unknown while s-on, that is normalm. Modified is normal as well, as you have an unlocked modified phone. You can clear that with a ruu most likely
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Nope, flashing RUU and even relocking bootloader it stays modified.
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Nope, flashing RUU and even relocking bootloader it stays modified.
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At least on the HTC 10 S-OFF/Inlocked/Modified became S-OFF/Unlocked/Official after flashing a RUU Using the SD card method. It didn't when using an exe. Maybe this needs permanent S-OFF.
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Changed CID to superCID and... and I think there isn't much more that we need to do with S-OFF.
The downside of this method is the possibility to lose the ability go get S-OFF with future updates.
qriozum said:
@jcase
After getting Temp-S-Off, and later entering the DownloadMode mode, we see "S-Onn" (which is natural for temporary).
In the "OpenDSP" section there is "UNKNOWN".
And in the bootloader flag has changed status to "Modified".
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Nope, flashing RUU and even relocking bootloader it stays modified.
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will look into it
SunShine v3.5.8
Enhanced HTC U11 S-OFF Support
The S8 (G950F) I own came with unlocked bootloader, is there a way to relock it with out the unlock code?
algnerd said:
The S8 (G950F) I own came with unlocked bootloader, is there a way to relock it with out the unlock code?
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Why would you want to relock it? But if you wish to do so, you'll need to firstly enable developer options, once done go to settings then developer options, then you will see oem unlock, if that switch is to the right then boot loader is unlocked, to relock bootloader just press and move so that switch is to th3 left
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Why would you want to relock it? But if you wish to do so, you'll need to firstly enable developer options, once done go to settings then developer options, then you will see oem unlock, if that switch is to the right then boot loader is unlocked, to relock bootloader just press and move so that switch is to th3 left
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Because, google play says that my device is uncertified and I can't install Netflix
algnerd said:
The S8 (G950F) I own came with unlocked bootloader, is there a way to relock it with out the unlock code?
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You're mixing up two different things, oem unlock that unlocks the bootloader is disabled on the g950f, you have to enabled it yourself. The unlock code is for carrier locks, totally different thing. You might as well root it now and use magisk to hide root from netflix.
algnerd said:
Because, google play says that my device is uncertified and I can't install Netflix
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That happens when you have root, nothing to with unlocked bootloader
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That happens when you have root, nothing to with unlocked bootloader
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That's the thing, I wasn't rooted but I had unlocked bootloader and it wasn't working.
Now that I've rooted it using Magisk, the device is "certified"