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E: The Unsolicited OTA Update, or Why I'm Leaving This Phone. See post 3 for details.
I got a notice that there is an update for at least the ATT 820 variant of the G5 today. I'm not going to flash it until someone else does or we have a changelog, I dont want to ruin any potential root capabilities we might be looking into at the moment. Does anyone have any information on it? Guessing it's an attempt to close up some of the QuadRooter vulnerabilities, but that's just a guess.
Any info here?
E: Contacted both LG and ATT. Supposedly it's just to enable wifi calling and nothing else, but they didn't offer a changelog or anything so I'm not going to flash it as I don't care about that functionality.
I updated for the hell of it.
3 out of 4 vulnerabilities have been patched. Along with this, I've immediately noticed they added the normal launcher with app drawer. Much nicer.
Figured I'd take one for the team on this one...so if you want root, I'd suggest blocking this update as long as possible.
Update time. So, I didn't initiate the update. I didn't want to install it at all. I look down at my phone this afternoon and it says update on progress... Nice. OK, fine whatever.
Now there's a persistent notification in the pull-down whenever you don't have mobile data enabled. And you can't get rid of it unless you turn on mobile data.
Sorry, but **** this. I'm getting rid of the phone. This is ridiculous.
Screenshot attached. Returning the phone and probably just going to get another G3 that I "upgraded" from. Pity, I liked this phone, lots of potential but I can't handle no root, bootloader lock, ads, ads, ads, ads, and persistent notifications. I just honestly don't see how anyone can handle a phone without root and adblock these days. I also can't understand how if a consumer spends $600+ for a device that they cannot do whatever they wish to it. Brick it, throw it in the ocean, root it. Imagine if computers all came with a locked administrator account. Absurd.
Lol i will never root my device, last time i did, i ****ed it up, so i am happy with my stock lg g5, i will never root anyphone
I'm also not digging the H82011K OTA as it rendered my favorite data saving app unusable.
I was very happy with my rooted/rom'ed G3 until a bad CM13 nightly fried the motherboard. Now I've been suffering the life of G5 over a month and while it's not terrible (Adguard helps) it's just not the same. I'd still like to repair that G3 someday if I ever get the time/ patience to get around to it...
Nowadays people don't root often your phones because the software is getting better. If this is your first priority, you should get something like the Oneplus 3.
jreed3786 said:
3 out of 4 vulnerabilities have been patched. Along with this, I've immediately noticed they added the normal launcher with app drawer. Much nicer.
Figured I'd take one for the team on this one...so if you want root, I'd suggest blocking this update as long as possible.
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Nowadays people don't root often your phones because the software is getting better. If this is your first priority, you should get something like the Oneplus 3.
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Really wondering which oem (and when ?) will jump first on kernel_version 4.x with possible "Live Patching"...
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Really wondering which oem (and when ?) will jump first on kernel_version 4.x with possible "Live Patching"...
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As far as "Live Patching" is concerned, I hope none of them do - ever. If I wanted my devices hijacked and tampered with behind my back I'd use Windows 10. This sounds bad for freedom within the Android community (why many chose it over iOS in the first place).
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I'm also not digging the H82011K OTA as it rendered my favorite data saving app unusable.
I was very happy with my rooted/rom'ed G3 until a bad CM13 nightly fried the motherboard. Now I've been suffering the life of G5 over a month and while it's not terrible (Adguard helps) it's just not the same. I'd still like to repair that G3 someday if I ever get the time/ patience to get around to it...
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Shouldn't take more than a half hour. I replaced the broken screen and digitizer on my G3 after I dropped it on its face. Pretty easy really, the hardest part of getting the screen off was just getting the adhesive separated from the screen > body. Not bad at all. The board would be easier, it comes out as a piece.
Reason I downgraded to a G5 from my G3 is because even though the replacement screen was LG branded, it still had quirks... I'd be typing something and suddenly "This is a sentence I'm typinng aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"
Super annoying. But honestly, not as annoying as the newest G5 update + ads ads ads ads...
Hi,
My questions are:
1 - Does any variant of the phone have NFC?
2 - I read that some people have issues with their GPS? Is that a manufacturing defect and only present in random units?
3 - Does anybody know how to reflash stock ROM for harpia? Because somebody might want to reflash stock ROM for some reason (not restore from TWRP backup), but wouldn't know how. I don't own the phone yet, but I am planning on buying it, so a guide would be useful to be made if somebody knows how to do it and is willing to make one as a seperate thread
Thanks in advance!
if you looking to buy, please wait for g5 play.
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if you looking to buy, please wait for g5 play.
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Why though? I think the G4 play is a great phone, not gonna use it for things like heavy gaming after all.
lazydesi said:
if you looking to buy, please wait for g5 play.
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Why? What differences will there be?
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Why though? I think the G4 play is a great phone, not gonna use it for things like heavy gaming after all.
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screen will be 1080p
sd 430 chip
releases with nougat ( may get android O support)
will come with updated gps
I can quick whip up a guide soon on how to restore to the stock rom, I've done it several times before. Also, one perk to potentially waiting for the G5 to be released is it might drop the price of the G4 Play a small bit making it a better deal. Also most light casual gaming is very smooth, things such as Alto's Adventure, Dots, etc. I personally recommend it, mainly due to seeing how development is starting to pick up nicely (big thanks to all the debs too). Heck, the 2013 Falcon model of the Moto G is still getting a decent bit of Nougat roms, and it launched with Jellybean on it when I owned one
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I can quick whip up a guide soon on how to restore to the stock rom, I've done it several times before. Also, one perk to potentially waiting for the G5 to be released is it might drop the price of the G4 Play a small bit making it a better deal. Also most light casual gaming is very smooth, things such as Alto's Adventure, Dots, etc. I personally recommend it, mainly due to seeing how development is starting to pick up nicely (big thanks to all the debs too). Heck, the 2013 Falcon model of the Moto G is still getting a decent bit of Nougat roms, and it launched with Jellybean on it when I owned one
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That's great! :good:
About the price dropping of G4, that doesn't really bother me, because I just want to buy the phone ASAP to stop using my old replacement phone! I also like the fact that the phone has official Lineage ROM status
I've watched some videos of gaming on the phone and the frame rates look high enough! :good:
Do you have any information about the GPS problem some people are complaining about? Do you have any personal experience with it?
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That's great! :good:
About the price dropping of G4, that doesn't really bother me, because I just want to buy the phone ASAP to stop using my old replacement phone! I also like the fact that the phone has official Lineage ROM status
I've watched some videos of gaming on the phone and the frame rates look high enough! :good:
Do you have any information about the GPS problem some people are complaining about? Do you have any personal experience with it?
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Just got the guide completed, here's the link for anyone who wants it. Make sure you don't get the Amazon or Verizon variant because currently I don't think there are any methods of unlocking the bootloader right now. I don't have an problems with my GPS signal, it seems there must just be the occasional bad unit.
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Do you have any information about the GPS problem some people are complaining about? Do you have any personal experience with it?
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A lot of phones are shipping with GLONASS disabled on the GPS chip. That's why the GPS sucks outright. This is Lenovo's problem and they themselves have no idea how to fix it. So far, I've only heard of a Moto G5 and G5 Plus (no play edition), but if Lenovo makes the same mistake, they'll run the entire product line into the ground.
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A lot of phones are shipping with GLONASS disabled on the GPS chip. That's why the GPS sucks outright. This is Lenovo's problem and they themselves have no idea how to fix it. So far, I've only heard of a Moto G5 and G5 Plus (no play edition), but if Lenovo makes the same mistake, they'll run the entire product line into the ground.
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I see.. Well, hope I don't happen on such unit..
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Just got the guide completed, here's the link for anyone who wants it. Make sure you don't get the Amazon or Verizon variant because currently I don't think there are any methods of unlocking the bootloader right now. I don't have an problems with my GPS signal, it seems there must just be the occasional bad unit.
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Thank you so much for this. I really haven't been hesitant in the past but with this phone I'm a bit worried to dive right in.. This should definitely help out.
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Just got the guide completed, here's the link for anyone who wants it. Make sure you don't get the Amazon or Verizon variant because currently I don't think there are any methods of unlocking the bootloader right now. I don't have an problems with my GPS signal, it seems there must just be the occasional bad unit.
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Yes now I think I have got a bad unit. 15 days are over and now I know Amazon will refuse to replace. Though I would go for replacement of the gps device. I am facing some serious problems with it.
Hey guys,
Does anyone know what OpenGApps variant gets closest to the ones that the stock Moto G4 comes with?
I updated my G4 from android 6 to 7 and even though it rocks solid, I'm going to change to LinageOS due to low RAM (every app seems to start over each time I open it). I'm trying to get as closest I can get to the stock experience.
Even though Moto makes some of the best android modifications, they are rather slow in updating and fixing stuff
Thank you in advance!
Hi Everyone,
I'd love to hear opinions from first hand owners of the LG V20, and if you'd buy it again.
I'm pretty set on getting either th LG V20 or the Pixel XL. I'm pretty aware of the specs of both but I wanted the Pixel XL for CopperHeadOS (supposedly more secure, but they only support Google phones for the most part, Pixel XL being one of them). As for the LG V20, I like it more, specwise (bigger screen, better DACs for audio, removeable battery, expandable memory, just better all around in my opinion- where it counts... and better price), but there doesn't seem to be any super secure ROMS out there, which is why I wanted to get the Pixel despite it's price (costs about double right now), and lack of expandable memory.
Otherwise, with my own research, the V20 seems to be a decent phone.
I'm coming from an Xperia Z2, decent phone, but horrible microphone (everyone says they can't hear me), also horrible speaker phone (not loud enough, if I'm driving I can't hear anything).. those are examples of quirks about the Z2.
Any input? Any quirks/annoyances you have about the V20 (specifically for the US996 model, no bootloops hopefully?)? Any input on secure ROMS available for it? To be honest, I'm kind of weary of the whole rooted process, it probably got easier by now, but I used to root and put custom roms on my old android devices, was such a process and always had risks of bricking it etc... only ones I'm willing to hassle over for are secure ROMs (like Copperhead OS)... oh yeah, how is the LG V20 out of the box? Is it pretty decent? Or is it frustrating with the bloatware where you "have to" unlock/root/install custom firmware+rom to make it "useable"?
Thanks in advance!
Was also wondering, anyone else with a USS996 try tethering with At&t, does it work?
I went with v20 this week, the Pixel XL was my first choice... however, I picked up a refurbished Sprint compatible v20 for $299 on Amazon. Luck for me, the software version on it was old enough to unlock the bootloader with DirtySanta.
Overall I've been a fan of LG since the G2, and the v20 is my favorite LG phone so far. I'm glad I didn't spend far more on a Pixel XL. That said, if the unlock had failed, I wouldn't have been as happy.
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Was also wondering, anyone else with a USS996 try tethering with At&t, does it work?
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Just tried blue tooth and wifi tethering on my LG-US996 on AT&T worked fine for me. Connected my ipad pro in both modes to it no problems.
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As for your other questions. Just got mine today and have been messing with it so take what I say with a grain of salt cause I've only had one day to play with it. I moved from a ZTE Axon 7 which kept having poor connection issues for me.
No issues so far with boot looping on my LGV20 US996. The power/unlock/lock button being the finger print scanner threw me off of a bit as I kept searching for it but its actually kind of nice where it is. The second smaller screen is great (not sure why many reviews called it a gimmick, I really like being able to see the message of texts etc while reading on reddit or something). The charger that comes with it feels a bit slow but I also have a pixel charger that I use with my Switch which seems to work fine with the v20.
The unlocked version which i got off amazon (which reading the reviews seems to be a gamble which one you get) but the version I got is unbranded and had no carrier bloatware. It did come with a few such as Evernote, Facebook, Instagram, and a few other LG apps. No real complaints on bloat tbh, its not as clean as say stock android but its nowhere near as bad as a branded samsung (Though your mileage may vary if you end up with a carrier version of the phone O_O).
Haven't tried any rooting or installation of any custom ROMS I don't think I will this time around either as the phone seems to be fine with out it. I did however install Nova Launcher and downloaded the apk for Google Now integration so now the launcher feels almost like Google's but better.
Let me know if you have any other questions, I'm pretty happy with my purchase would likely make it again but again I've only had a day with it so far.
I just got mine as well on July 25th, Coming from the droid turbo the sound fried on that phone couldn't make calls or listen to music. As for this phone it runs great only issue I'm finding is being that it is unlocked and can use on any carrier I'm finding I can't update the phone says phone is not registered I wrote LG to find out why and I have not heard back yet,if I'm not mistaking there is a 7.1 now or maybe even higher, I don't know if I should root and take a chance on it, I'm starting to use android pay and I like it if I go for rooting I won't be able to use it but some say you can tweaking this and that so it will work. I don't know and as for Roms, I don't know what is here yet for the V20....
Same I haven't been able to receive an update either, will you please post back when you find out?
Also after a day of use the one thing I do suggest is the moment you get your phone turned on go and disable "Mobile Service Manager" if you got the US Cellular unlocked version this is the the app that carrier used to push bloatware, at least it doesn't come pre installed.
Hey thanks a lot for the feedback Srenyti! Did the tethering/hotspot work out of the box? Did you have to play with any APN settings or anything? How's it call quality on it?
Good to hear that it seems to be decent out of the box, I was getting tired of fooling around with android phones to get it to work "right". Only downside is getting security updates for the phone in the future....
Someone mentioned earlier about getting an older firmware, do they not all unlock if you wanted to go custom?
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Just tried blue tooth and wifi tethering on my LG-US996 on AT&T worked fine for me. Connected my ipad pro in both modes to it no problems.
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As for your other questions. Just got mine today and have been messing with it so take what I say with a grain of salt cause I've only had one day to play with it. I moved from a ZTE Axon 7 which kept having poor connection issues for me.
No issues so far with boot looping on my LGV20 US996. The power/unlock/lock button being the finger print scanner threw me off of a bit as I kept searching for it but its actually kind of nice where it is. The second smaller screen is great (not sure why many reviews called it a gimmick, I really like being able to see the message of texts etc while reading on reddit or something). The charger that comes with it feels a bit slow but I also have a pixel charger that I use with my Switch which seems to work fine with the v20.
The unlocked version which i got off amazon (which reading the reviews seems to be a gamble which one you get) but the version I got is unbranded and had no carrier bloatware. It did come with a few such as Evernote, Facebook, Instagram, and a few other LG apps. No real complaints on bloat tbh, its not as clean as say stock android but its nowhere near as bad as a branded samsung (Though your mileage may vary if you end up with a carrier version of the phone O_O).
Haven't tried any rooting or installation of any custom ROMS I don't think I will this time around either as the phone seems to be fine with out it. I did however install Nova Launcher and downloaded the apk for Google Now integration so now the launcher feels almost like Google's but better.
Let me know if you have any other questions, I'm pretty happy with my purchase would likely make it again but again I've only had a day with it so far.
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Tethering/hotspotting worked for me directly out of the box on AT&T also did not have to make any APN setting changes. I just put in the sim, turned it on and it found everything fine. I did double check and it found AT&Ts APN just fine. I have network mode set as global and tried to test out between global vs late/gsm directly but didn't really seem to make a difference.
Call qaulity seems pretty good to me, it's more crisp and clear than my axon 7 which is the only one I've used in recent memory.
As for finding old firmware I believe that would depend on the firmware package you find. If it's straight carrier OEM version it may not be unlocked (unsure about this as anytime I've ever bothered to get a custom rom it's never been carrier firmware). Custom ROMs are always unlocked in my experience.
Yeah security updates are def lacking. And bloatware is fine as long as you disable that app I mentioned before it gets a chance to do anything.
When setting up the phone yesterday it didn't feel as snappy as it does now, so expect some settling in time for the phone it seems.
I don't want to complicate things too much, but Woot has the Pixel 5" 128 on sale for $429:
https://sellout.woot.com/offers/goo...?ref=eml_w_nd_4_img&ref_=pe_3185080_248419990
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I don't want to complicate things too much, but Woot has the Pixel 5" 128 on sale for $429:
https://sellout.woot.com/offers/goo...?ref=eml_w_nd_4_img&ref_=pe_3185080_248419990
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Verizon version, most likely locked bootloader .
I bought a vs995 coming from a moto x pure 2015. My moto had such diminished battery life I could not make it a full day without charging 3 times if I used the phone at all... It was good for maybe 2 long phone calls... I wanted a phone I could replace the battery on if I wanted atm I believe this is the newest one to still have the feature.
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Verizon version, most likely locked bootloader .
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Yeah, I'd want to stay away from the Verizon version. I thought I'd take any unlocked Pixel XL, to one day load CopperheadOS on there, but turns out they only release roms for the older Nexus phones and you have to buy a Pixel XL directly from them (like $1100 or so), I'd still consider it, but all in all I'll probably pass on that phone(Pixel XL) for right now, kind of expensive for me now.
Hello folks, sorry if this isn't the right forum,
I really love the Moto G4 Play for its battery life especially, but as many of you know the GPS works very bad.
Do you know any other phone similar to the G4 but with a decent GPS?
Thanks a lot in advance
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Hello folks, sorry if this isn't the right forum,
I really love the Moto G4 Play for its battery life especially, but as many of you know the GPS works very bad.
Do you know any other phone similar to the G4 but with a decent GPS?
Thanks a lot in advance
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Moto E4 XT1768 is an excellent choice given your criteria. Very similar to the G4 XT1607 but with fingerprint scanner, front flash, Android 7.1 stock, and reliable, fully functional GPS hardware. Also sports a slightly faster chipset. Most E4 variants are bootloader unlockable.
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Hello folks, sorry if this isn't the right forum,
I really love the Moto G4 Play for its battery life especially, but as many of you know the GPS works very bad.
Do you know any other phone similar to the G4 but with a decent GPS?
Thanks a lot in advance
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Are you using a custom ROM? If so, which one?
crazypixel said:
Hello folks, sorry if this isn't the right forum,
I really love the Moto G4 Play for its battery life especially, but as many of you know the GPS works very bad.
Do you know any other phone similar to the G4 but with a decent GPS?
Thanks a lot in advance
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Spouse cracked the screen on their G4 Play and the estimated repair cost was higher than the original purchase price so we went shopping for a new phone.
Got a Nokia 3.1 and like it a lot. GPS seems to work very well. Comes with Android One so it is very much a stock Android experience. It is Android v8.0 (Oreo) based on Treble with a guarantee of system and security updates for several years.
I am still using my G4 Play but am a bit envious.
p.s. I got a Bluetooth GPS receiver and paired it with my G4 Play so I have decent satellite based location now.
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Are you using a custom ROM? If so, which one?
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The latest resurrection remix
Thanks all for your answers
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Spouse cracked the screen on their G4 Play and the estimated repair cost was higher than the original purchase price so we went shopping for a new phone.
Got a Nokia 3.1 and like it a lot. GPS seems to work very well. Comes with Android One so it is very much a stock Android experience. It is Android v8.0 (Oreo) based on Treble with a guarantee of system and security updates for several years.
I am still using my G4 Play but am a bit envious.
p.s. I got a Bluetooth GPS receiver and paired it with my G4 Play so I have decent satellite based location now.
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Thanks, seems a nice mobile, hows the battery life?
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Thanks all for your answers
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For consideration: https://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_3_1-review-1795p6.php
I'll further qualify my previous E4 suggestion with a bias toward the Qualcom chipset. E4 comes in several flavors; do your homework if you go this route.
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Thanks, seems a nice mobile, hows the battery life?
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Battery life seems reasonable. I'm not the person using it so I haven't fully characterized it.
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For consideration: https://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_3_1-review-1795p6.php
I'll further qualify my previous E4 suggestion with a bias toward the Qualcom chipset. E4 comes in several flavors; do your homework if you go this route.
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That review seems a bit brutal. I suppose this depends on where you live too: The phones the author of that review like are not available in retail stores near me. The choice for me was between a Moto G6 flavor and this Nokia as that was all the store had in the general price range that were carrier unlocked.
The Moto was more expensive, had a screen size that was bigger than desired. And I've come away with a bad taste about Moto's update history. The Nokia's Android One claims updates for a couple of OS releases and several years of security updates and, near as I can tell on the Internet, they seem to be honoring that.
Use of a MediaTek process was a bit of a issue for me too. But that seems to come into play more for custom ROMs and, at least at present, this phone is likely to be kept stock.
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Spouse cracked the screen on their G4 Play and the estimated repair cost was higher than the original purchase price so we went shopping for a new phone.
Got a Nokia 3.1 and like it a lot. GPS seems to work very well. Comes with Android One so it is very much a stock Android experience. It is Android v8.0 (Oreo) based on Treble with a guarantee of system and security updates for several years.
I am still using my G4 Play but am a bit envious.
p.s. I got a Bluetooth GPS receiver and paired it with my G4 Play so I have decent satellite based location now.
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Everything about new Nokia phones sounds great except the inability to unlock the bootloader. You'll get updates for several years, but what after those years or if something wrong happens with Nokia? You'll be stuck on an old version with no security patches until someone finds a bootloader unlock vulnerability
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Everything about new Nokia phones sounds great except the inability to unlock the bootloader. You'll get updates for several years, but what after those years or if something wrong happens with Nokia? You'll be stuck on an old version with no security patches until someone finds a bootloader unlock vulnerability
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Yep, lack of an official bootloader unlock is an issue. There seems to be a way to do it on the Qualcom based Nokia phones but the 3.1 is MediaTek based and I haven't noticed a way to do it on those.