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I did drop the phone on stone floor yesterday now the touch does not work on the majority of the screen.
In panic I have bought a used LG G3 as replacement I got it for a very good price.
yeah So I will probably not be checking this forum so much more... I hope the Mate 8 will be worth update for.
The Mate S despite beautiful design was not convincing when it did come to batter cpu and gpu and also no sd card slot.
What I liked about huawei is that they did copy the good things from apple, but now it seem they are ok with copying the bad sides also, which means
very small battery (for good profit margins) and slow and outdated cpu/gpu.
Apple use outdated and bad hardware and they manage to get the most out of it with very good software. Apple spend a lot of money on the software that is how they get away with such weak specs. Well I hope Mate 8 will be a good spec monster, the software is important but a 3rd party launcher usually does the trick. New Mate 8 will most likely have curved display and for me a very seductive screen to body ratio like no other manufacture.. the Kirrin 950 also seem to me very convincing as long as the GPU is not the bottleneck as it is on M7.
I still do not forget huawei for promising us Lollipop, yet we are still here 9 and half month into 2015 and still no real sign of official release.
I cannot understand what is taking such long time, my only conclusion is why it does take such a long time is because they are not working at it at all.
The status have been on hold for the bigger part of the year, maybe they did work on in it for 1 month, they did not meat the deadline so now the project is on hold that is what I think. Despite what is it worth waiting for lollipop ? if you ask me the answer is no.. Lollipop will satisfy no one now when 6.0 is out.
Also all new function and looks from Lollipop will not be present in the EMUI lollipop.. also same bad animations.. say what you want but animations are damn important...beautiful fast and fluid animations during multi tasking and switching between apps is very important, Apex Launcher did finally give me the smooth and fast animations i wanted from day one..
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I did drop the phone on stone floor yesterday now the touch does not work on the majority of the screen.
In panic I have bought a used LG G3 as replacement I got it for a very good price.
yeah So I will probably not be checking this forum so much more... I hope the Mate 8 will be worth update for.
The Mate S despite beautiful design was not convincing when it did come to batter cpu and gpu and also no sd card slot.
What I liked about huawei is that they did copy the good things from apple, but now it seem they are ok with copying the bad sides also, which means
very small battery (for good profit margins) and slow and outdated cpu/gpu.
Apple use outdated and bad hardware and they manage to get the most out of it with very good software. Apple spend a lot of money on the software that is how they get away with such weak specs. Well I hope Mate 8 will be a good spec monster, the software is important but a 3rd party launcher usually does the trick. New Mate 8 will most likely have curved display and for me a very seductive screen to body ratio like no other manufacture.. the Kirrin 950 also seem to me very convincing as long as the GPU is not the bottleneck as it is on M7.
I still do not forget huawei for promising us Lollipop, yet we are still here 9 and half month into 2015 and still no real sign of official release.
I cannot understand what is taking such long time, my only conclusion is why it does take such a long time is because they are not working at it at all.
The status have been on hold for the bigger part of the year, maybe they did work on in it for 1 month, they did not meat the deadline so now the project is on hold that is what I think. Despite what is it worth waiting for lollipop ? if you ask me the answer is no.. Lollipop will satisfy no one now when 6.0 is out.
Also all new function and looks from Lollipop will not be present in the EMUI lollipop.. also same bad animations.. say what you want but animations are damn important...beautiful fast and fluid animations during multi tasking and switching between apps is very important, Apex Launcher did finally give me the smooth and fast animations i wanted from day one..
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I did drop my device too but mine is perfectly smooth and ok except little bit scratch on body corner side...
By the way if u talk about update I can accept but if u talk about device copy let me tell u that iphone had release small screen and now they also releasing with larger one so we can say iphone also perfect copier from other devices...It's 'coz of Huawei brand our country can use mobile with the same level of Samsung and others in lower cost...I accept Huawei update is just like losers but I accept this also Huawei did care about cost of middle men...for iphone I like to say it's just a selfish brand which sell with higher price that everyone can't effort...It's mean wealthy are wealthy and poor don't have value...I like to see get opportunities too everyone and that's bring Huawei and still bringing with upcoming Huawei nexus...
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Fully agree Apple are the biggest rip offs going, overpriced locked pieces of ****.
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You will regret this .. G3 sucks..
You don't know what you want..
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You will regret this .. G3 sucks..
You don't know what you want..
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I do not see it as an upgrade I see it more as an downgrade.. but a solution for now..since I can sell it with not much price lost..
There is no phone out right now I want to pay full price for.. lets see if Mate 8 will change that..
Mate S I will not buy... LetV max is intersting too but.. for this device it is the actual name that ruins it..
http://www.oppomart.com/letv-max1.html
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I do not see it as an upgrade I see it more as an downgrade.. but a solution for now..since I can sell it with not much price lost..
There is no phone out right now I want to pay full price for.. lets see if Mate 8 will change that..
Mate S I will not buy... LetV max is intersting too but.. for this device it is the actual name that ruins it..
http://www.oppomart.com/letv-max1.html
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Do not buy letv it is another crap.. fake usb .. it is not 3.1 or 3.0 just 2.0.. and overheating 810..
Huawei says P9 will be very surprising..
Sad...i own both the old mate and the mate7 and being dump i dropped them both but the devices are strong as hell, still working perfect. And just to go on i bought the P8max last week and have to say that this is THE ONLY worthy device to step up. Huawei did a far better job than all the other manufactors, and being able to use sd card or two sims is perfect for me. Never change a winning team.
LG G3 I have had it now for 2 days. at stock it was unusuable very slow and laggy after installing apex with some tweaks and change animations speed in dev options it goes very fast again..it goes faster then Mate 7 now.
Compare to Mate 7 the screen of G3 is really horrible.. 2k in my ass..the contrast and black levels are still crap..
My goal was to buy a phone that I could have temporary and sell it with minimal loss in price.. so I will have G3 now until Mate 8 most likely..
But I have concluded 5.5 is too small.. but 6.0 is almost too big.. I think 5.7 might be the best of both worlds.. never had a 5.7 inch phone..
but 5.5 was definitely smaller then I expected which make it very nice for one hand use.. my thumb go all the way to the left side..
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LG G3 I have had it now for 2 days. at stock it was unusuable very slow and laggy after installing apex with some tweaks and change animations speed in dev options it goes very fast again..it goes faster then Mate 7 now.
Compare to Mate 7 the screen of G3 is really horrible.. 2k in my ass..the contrast and black levels are still crap..
My goal was to buy a phone that I could have temporary and sell it with minimal loss in price.. so I will have G3 now until Mate 8 most likely..
But I have concluded 5.5 is too small.. but 6.0 is almost too big.. I think 5.7 might be the best of both worlds.. never had a 5.7 inch phone..
but 5.5 was definitely smaller then I expected which make it very nice for one hand use.. my thumb go all the way to the left side..
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compare to any other devise i can say huawei is the most stable and strongest hardware devises...infact i m using p6 still now even my back battary cover come out when i drop it hardly...I will never ever believe that any other devices can stand so strong like that bcoz i saw how its drop and i saw body crash but screen and hardware still working perfect....I cant blame huawei for their loser updates fail many times, bcoz i m myself did drop my p6 that result me with back cover opened and now mate7 that result me 3 angel of coners crash but both perfect working...i have friends who is using LG,Samsung, Iph but i saw them always screen broken, body over temp, and screen blast(Iph 6plus)...but i never got any experience bcoz i m using huawei...so if u want to use any other device keep shut and use, dont try to say any bad words which makes perfect for others...thanks
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LG G3 I have had it now for 2 days. at stock it was unusuable very slow and laggy after installing apex with some tweaks and change animations speed in dev options it goes very fast again..it goes faster then Mate 7 now.
Compare to Mate 7 the screen of G3 is really horrible.. 2k in my ass..the contrast and black levels are still crap..
My goal was to buy a phone that I could have temporary and sell it with minimal loss in price.. so I will have G3 now until Mate 8 most likely..
But I have concluded 5.5 is too small.. but 6.0 is almost too big.. I think 5.7 might be the best of both worlds.. never had a 5.7 inch phone..
but 5.5 was definitely smaller then I expected which make it very nice for one hand use.. my thumb go all the way to the left side..
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Don't expect Mate 8 less than 6'' man ! it might be even over 6'' !! I told u I had G3 and I almost vomited.. that 2k screen does nothing only drains battery.. and when u go to apps resolution goes auto down to 720p and for google chrome even less 640x360 .. just google ''what is my resolution'' and u'll see ..
So text on 2k screen when browsing internet and reading looks jerky , grainy , choppily.. it is not smooth as on 1k screens..
Hi Guys, i'm overall happy with my S7 Edge Exynos, but some games have big issues and i'm thinking on sell it and get another phone because i'm not sure this will be fixed. Just want ur feedback on what similar phone could be a good replacement.
thanks for ur opinion.
To my understanding the underlying issues on Games is the Software Optimisation on the Operating System.
Its heavily optimised for battery performance.
There is tweaks and methods to help increase the game response.
But i would imagine in time updates will perfect this, Its better having a device with Insane battery, Than a next Gen Mobile with massive battery drain.
Unfornatually regardless of what games i chuck at this, i have only ever had a couple of stutters and thats because of some heavy background tasks i forgot to close.
Yes been having this problem ever since, it wont be fixed its a kernel and DVFS software issue. A phone made for games that can gane at all...
I actually think the same thing i know G5 is better as it throttles less, iphone is the best phone for gaming, maybe the new P9 is good too, im in the same position
I find this odd as I'm not having any kind of lag or stutter on my Exynos S7E. A lot of people reported this issue on the SD variant though. Did you check if something was eating your RAM?
Thanks guys, can u try Need for speed no Limits and u'll see what im talking about...
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Thanks guys, can u try Need for speed no Limits and u'll see what im talking about...
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Yes, especially nfs no limits, as its requirements are higher than every other possible games, but I also see small stutters on Real Racing 3 (starting at 60 fps then decreases to 40), however most saddening stutter occurs in Alto's Adventure as no real source was used for this game, still it stutters after 5 or 6 minutes. I can clearly say that this is nonsense, unless it is a software problem. To be clear about the stutter, it is more like an additional layer of software that also manipulates real time and game time, device tries to draw 60 frames per second, but in real time it takes couple of seconds.
yes too bad, i dont understand why a device almost 3-4 times higher benchmarks it's outperform in real gameplay, por example a P8 runs extremelly well this game a any other one... this disapoint me
https://youtu.be/Z9Rgx0C24J8
https://youtu.be/oWJh8LtJtfc
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The same fps boost wiem Got messege From messemger etc
P9 Haven thai same GPU like s7 exynos but p9 Have 4 core and s7 Have 12
I just give up to play Need for Speed No Limits on my S7 Edge Exynos. Is just impossible to play after 5 minutes.
Just as a information I played the same game on a old Galaxy S4 Mini witch has much lower hardware specs, and no problems at all. Samsung just lie when says a S7 is a phone for games
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I just give up to play Need for Speed No Limits on my S7 Edge Exynos. Is just impossible to play after 5 minutes.
Just as a information I played the same game on a old Galaxy S4 Mini witch has much lower hardware specs, and no problems at all. Samsung just lie when says a S7 is a phone for games
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Really bizarre, I've read loads of people complaining of the same issue so downloaded NFS NO Limits to test.
Been playing for 20 minutes with no lag of stuttering.
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Really bizarre, I've read loads of people complaining of the same issue so downloaded NFS NO Limits to test.
Been playing for 20 minutes with no lag of stuttering.
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Really? it's ur S7 Edge Exynos or Snapdragon, seems to affect only Exynos.
In april i purchased a huawei mate 8 nxt-l29. Definitely a step up from a galaxy s5 like 1000 steps up. One of the best devices ive ever used. Recently earlier today as of writing this, i switched from the huawei mate 8 on metropcs to the samsung galaxy s7 on sprint network. It took me a grand total of 2 hours of owning the s7 to hate the hell out of it. Without even installing any of my own apps i use commonly, like steam or firefox or setting up any of the apps on there. I returned the thing for the first time because it overheated in the settings menu and shut off three times. I went back to sprint immediately and exchanged it for a fresh s7 sitting next to me now, doing nothing, screen off, overheating as i type. There are no downloads queued, setup is complete, it should be idling right now. But no, it is constantly hot to the touch.
The main reason i hate it are as follows:
1. Heat
2. Lag
3. Freezes
4. Slow
5. Unresponsive
6. Millions of apps i cannot disable.
The first reason being heat is why this thing is awful. My mate 8 never heats up when idling, in fact, ive never caught my mate 8 above 55C and my mate 8 idles at around 29-32C. This thing idles at 63C and heats up to 72C. It does not stop doing random crap. even after disabling everything and turning on the performance inhibiting mode, still stuck at high temperatures, screen off, left alone for enoguh time to idle.
Next, the lag is unbearable. In proprietary menus, such as the entirety of the settings app, there are microstutters to complete freezes. Theres so much buffering done with this phone, having come straight from the mate 8, this is unacceptable.
Compared to my mate 8 I tested installing facebook, instagram, steam and one of those massive games with downloads in app, this one being Dungeon Hunter 5.
I want to disable a system app: App list laod time 10 seconds
i click on the system app i want to disable: ( google drive) load time 3 seconds
i want to click disable and confirm i want it disabled (google drive) Load time: 5 seconds.
Uninstall proprietary sprint app: Load time 4 seconds, Uninstall time 15-20 seconds.
Uninstalling dungeon Hunter 5: Load time: 1st effort froze the phone, second time also froze, third time it worked but took a whopping 73 seconds.
Compared to my s7 I tested installing facebook, instagram, steam and one of those massive games with downloads in app, this one being Dungeon Hunter 5.
Open settings: Load time 1 second
Open apps: App list load time 2 seconds
Click on app i want to disable (google drive) : Load time less than 1 second. .63 seconds to be exact.
Disabling app (google drive): Load time less than 1 second. .57 to be exact
Uninstalling Dungeon hunter 5: Load time 3 seconds
Galaxy s7 first day: First S7 froze 3 times with massive microstutters, second S7 after swapping has frozen twice. Force restart was the only fix.
Mate 8: Has frozen once, but it was my fault. Never has frozen without it not being my fault.
Sidenote: If my S7 freezes on not just day 1 but hour 1 it cannot be my fault yet. Im just trying to load my apps on there at that point.
Compared to my mate 8 the galaxy s7 is much slower at opening apps and navigating through its own menus.
My Mate 8's settings menu is quick and speedy, it takes longer to start a stopwatch timer than it takes to load a menu in the mate 8 settings app.
The S7 you cant just throw the stopwatch away. It's too slow to navigate and even makes me feel like the settings screen has frozen when trying to load my apps list, scan for wifi, open the developer options menu and almost freezes when im at the apps list menu and load the system apps.
Unresponsiveness is never a problem on the mate 8 actually.
Galaxy S7 however has not responded in multiple areas. Screen taps missed, fingerprint scanner doesnt work sometimes and is also extremely picky you have to be DIRECTLY on that button. Not off by a single hair for that scanner to work. The response time on the screen is actually 6 times longer than the mate 8 too. 5ms on the mate 8, 30ms on s7.
The mate 8 being internationally unlocked at purchase only has google apps loaded on it. The s7 being a carrier phone from sprint has 6 sprint apps on it and a billion other things i hate. I don't like sports myself so having to spend forever getting all 10 sports apps off the thing is a pain. Especially since 3 of them cannot be removed, only disabled, thus eating up storage, 42MB 33MB and 16MB. Nothing too bad but still annoying. The thing also comes loaded with samsung's useless app list of about 10 or something apps. Most of which cannot be disabled or uninstalled such as samsung push. The rest is just.... other junk i dont use but found shocking to see on here. Facebook is now preloaded and untouchable. Cannot be uninstalled only disabled. I use a web browser personally because it saves battery and you dont need the messenger app either. Uber being useless because i own my own vehicle was also preloaded, but i could uninstall that. Other than the radio app, i couldnt uninstall only disable some apps. And the phone being only 32 gigs of storage on its onboard memory was eating up already 10 gigs of storage. with 22 left usable for me.
Other things id like to pick at are the screen. I cannot tell the difference between this phone's screen and the mate 8's. The fidelity is no better in comparison. Colors are slightly more vivid, but not enough to overlook this phone's numerous problems. Couldn't even use google maps to navigate home on the S7 from the sprint store due to the heat.
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Doesn't compare to the smartphone king that is the mate 8. Feels more like a toy that burns your hand and pockets off. I guess thats why its waterproof so it can be cooled in your soft drink at dinner time. Very slow, very laggy, very unresponsive in comparison. I suppose it would be acceptable if it turns out i didnt have a better user experience. Im glad sprint offers refunds on their service because this phone is quite terrible. Sprint is too. Less than 1MBPS on their unlimited data plan. Rockin speed dude.
Man I can imagine pretty well what you're talking about. Before the mate 8 I used to own a Xperia Z5 (my brother has it now)... That SoC is burning almost all the time and is a quite annoying
Not a fanboy here but is in fact a shame all Samsung flagships still suffers from lags (and explosions too lol)
SD810 was an amazing heater that didn't burn anyone's pants but surely it burnt everyone's pockets
Yea, i forgot to mention that the phones ram management was awful. With the proprietary software running all at the same time i had a whopping 1.1 gigs of ram to use for my personal apps. It was a disgrace. 750 dollars for a POS like that. They should pay me to take it.
Just wanna say tho. The screen is the downfall of the phone. That was my first 2k screen device and wow. Battery drainer problem raiser there. It couldnt run tiny tower wothout lagging. My mate 8 was soaring through it. I will now avoid snapdragon and samsung. I own zero samsung products. Even the ssd in my pc is Sandisk. Samsung needs to stop. Ive had two of their phones and hated both. S5 and S7 both sucked. Heat issues and battery problems. Disappointing. Camt wait to get my money back. Also dont switch to Sprint my god was it bad. 1mbps download speed average.
Got SGS Note 4, you can find my topic also on the forum why I switched between them. Fuk samsung, never ever again
wow, after reading through this thread i feel VERY lucky coming from a nexus 5 and switching to a mate 8, happy on both counts!
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Its nice to hear people have the same experiences. Usually when i write fully thought out reviews with high detail i get ridiculed. Thanks for taking time to read this stuff so far guys. Appreciate it a lot
I had a Note 2 which I used for almost 3 years, until a year and half back. I then tried a windows phone, then 2 mid range budget phones. Also tried a borrowed Samsung galaxy for few days. Coming from something like Note 2, you dont have too many choices that will make you feel like it is an upgrade. Now got the mate 8, and it is here to stay like my Note 2! I really don't see many phones out today, there which will give you an upgrade impression from this one.
I glad that I got the Mate 8. It leaves almost everything else behind.
The battery is amazing, I have been using like crazy all day and night, and i recharge only next day! Easily 8+ hrs SOT, I charge before 20%.
They have really optimized this one for good battery. I am now attempting to take battery management to the next level by bringing the protected app list to almost zero, and using tasker in parallel to keep the notifications coming in 15-30m intervals.
The Mate 9 is apparently 20% more battery efficient with its more power Mali GPU. Thank god we ditch the mid range Mali T-880 for what power the Mali G71 MP8 can withold. According to their spec reveal the CPU itself is also 15% more efficient. The display will continue to be 1080p i suppose. Some of these shots display benchmarks performed at the 1080 resolution. I honestly do not believe a 2560x1440 screen res is worth it on a 6 inch screen. More like 60 inch. Cant wait for that upgrade. Hopefully its as smooth as this.
Wow, sucks to have your experience :/
I had no problems with my €150 Galaxy Ace 2 thanks to some great roms. I didn't stay long on stock.
My wife just moved back to Iphone after using a Note 4. She doesn't want any android again (even if I try to convince her samsung =/= android). But we are both enjoying my Honor 8 now.
Glad you guys still enjoy the mate 8 especially compared to other high end devices. Gives me good hopes about my Honor 8
We'll be loving thr mate 9 sure enough. Makes me want to get my hands dirty and hop in the kitchen to cook up roms for the mate 9 when it drops
I used to own a samsung galaxy mega 6.3 inch, first phablet and a good one...and the only samsung device i am positive about.
From that point i went to a huawei P7 wich was a good and nice phone when it was released, but after a year or so it already lost the game so i upgraded to a huawei P8 combined with a huawei mediapad M2 10.0 when the tablet was released, both outstanding devices but the P8 was stolen at a festival so i bought a Mate 8 and i really love it.
Now owning the M2 tab, Mate 8 and a Nexus 5x, all great devices.
I had a few samsung devices, and friends and family too... From my expierence compared to other devices, touchwiz was unstable, all kind of dumb bugs, low quality battery wich dies fast (i saw it in the battery life and charge time), all apps they bring that no one uses lol. The only positive samsung had was the camera (wich in this time is no more cause of the other OEMs), and the ability and available support of mods and roms... This is one of the big reasons people on xda bought a samsung. Its a shame that samsung gets so ****ty these days, but they have always been ****ty if you think about it..
I dont even want to buy a washing maschine or a fridge from samsung lol, i know that thing will fail on me in less then 2 years.
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To be honest I'm a little underwhelmed with the gaming speed of the XZ.
I only play one game, its a game in KIK called Galatronvs which is a basic Shootemup.
And to be honest , it is REALLY LAGGY on the XZ compared to the S6......The S6 stays smooth , doesn't judder, doesn't pause, doesn't jump.
All these things happen on the XZ as the game gets busier and there are more bullets and ships on the screen..ultimately i die because its becomes a slide show.
After reading all the articles about the Snapdragon 820 and the Adreno 530 I feel more than a little bit down that my two year old S6 with an Inhouse Mali-T760MP8 outperforms it.
Don't get me wrong, in day to day use it's a dream to use..I don't know what it is about Samsung that their hardware is so good but it translates so badly on software that using the phone feels like work rather than fun, even Swiftkey runs like crap on the Samsung.
I haven't tried any other phones yet, but my friend has just gotten a Google Pixel XL and he's going to let me install Kik and have a 30 minute game next week.
If it lags as well, I'd have to say either the Adreno 530 isn't all that good, or the game is terribly optimised.
Either way , at the moment I'm underwhelmed by my Platinum flagship phone gaming experience.
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To be honest I'm a little underwhelmed with the gaming speed of the XZ.
I only play one game, its a game in KIK called Galatronvs which is a basic Shootemup.
And to be honest , it is REALLY LAGGY on the XZ compared to the S6......The S6 stays smooth , doesn't judder, doesn't pause, doesn't jump.
All these things happen on the XZ as the game gets busier and there are more bullets and ships on the screen..ultimately i die because its becomes a slide show.
After reading all the articles about the Snapdragon 820 and the Adreno 530 I feel more than a little bit down that my two year old S6 with an Inhouse Mali-T760MP8 outperforms it.
Don't get me wrong, in day to day use it's a dream to use..I don't know what it is about Samsung that their hardware is so good but it translates so badly on software that using the phone feels like work rather than fun, even Swiftkey runs like crap on the Samsung.
I haven't tried any other phones yet, but my friend has just gotten a Google Pixel XL and he's going to let me install Kik and have a 30 minute game next week.
If it lags as well, I'd have to say either the Adreno 530 isn't all that good, or the game is terribly optimised.
Either way , at the moment I'm underwhelmed by my Platinum flagship phone gaming experience.
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Your problem is very strange. I have xperia xz and i don't have laggy game xperience. The games goes smooth really. What games did you try? Or you play with stamina active?
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Your problem is very strange. I have xperia xz and i don't have laggy game xperience. The games goes smooth really. What games did you try? Or you play with stamina active?
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I really only play the one game called Galatronvs via the instant messaging app KIK.
my phone is unlocked,rooted and still on MM 39.0.A.3.30 because i want to still use Xposed Framework.
I don't use any stamina settings at all , they are always turned off, nor do i use any power saving apps such as greenify.
I don't even use a kernal control program that will let you route more processes into a single core thus saving battery.
Bluntly put, the phone is running at full speed with no power saving.
I would imagine unless you've moved from a different phone to your XZ and play the same games you wouldn't notice the difference..Also it would very much depend on the kind of game.
Any game thats not already pushing the old phone isn't going to show any difference on the XZ is it.
Galatron is an upwards scrolling shootemup that gets increasingly more difficult, more bullets , more ships ...thats when you notice the difference ..only when it really starts to get busy.
So i dunno, Guess I'll have more of an idea when i try the Pixel XL with the 821 and the Adreno 530...Though technically the 821 isn't supposed to impact gaming, just multitasking , better power usage etc.
I'll be spewin bickies if its much better , I really don't want the Pixel..it's a little too small and the XL is a little too big :laugh: ... And i hate using a phone without Xposed which i can't do with N
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I really only play the one game called Galatronvs via the instant messaging app KIK.
my phone is unlocked,rooted and still on MM 39.0.A.3.30 because i want to still use Xposed Framework.
I don't use any stamina settings at all , they are always turned off, nor do i use any power saving apps such as greenify.
I don't even use a kernal control program that will let you route more processes into a single core thus saving battery.
Bluntly put, the phone is running at full speed with no power saving.
I would imagine unless you've moved from a different phone to your XZ and play the same games you wouldn't notice the difference..Also it would very much depend on the kind of game.
Any game thats not already pushing the old phone isn't going to show any difference on the XZ is it.
Galatron is an upwards scrolling shootemup that gets increasingly more difficult, more bullets , more ships ...thats when you notice the difference ..only when it really starts to get busy.
So i dunno, Guess I'll have more of an idea when i try the Pixel XL with the 821 and the Adreno 530...Though technically the 821 isn't supposed to impact gaming, just multitasking , better power usage etc.
I'll be spewin bickies if its much better , I really don't want the Pixel..it's a little too small and the XL is a little too big :laugh: ... And i hate using a phone without Xposed which i can't do with N
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I compared the games with mate 9 for example,i think it is more fluid than mate 9. I ONLY use for games android N ,because android N on xz is much better than M in overall (battery and performace in particular). I think your version of firmware is the less optimized and old. What do you use xposed in particular? I have z2 and there i use often xposed. But on xz i stay so good with android n and latest firmware. And i don't care actually for root and xposed. Is fully stock.
I think you might be experiencing the same thing as me. This happens on all of the Xperia devices I've owned (Z2 Tablet, Z3, Z3C, and Z5.). My XZ is on order, and I'll be sure to test this again. Yes, benchmarks have about the same high scores as all the other flagships, but 3D games stutters on Xperia devices. I think most users are not able to notice it. Hardcore FPS PC gamers like myself would notice this easily.
Here's a thread I created on the Z3 forums a while back: https://forum.xda-developers.com/z3/help/stuttering-games-t2949670 . There's a video in there with my Z3 and LG G2 playing Riptide GP 2.
I just learned to live it with since gaming is not my priority on my phone, and because I don't like all the other phones.
Honestly I'm not a hardcore gamer, I only play the one game Galatronvs via the KIK APP, it's basically a BOT game which is a downwardly scrolling shootemup... However you do compete online against other players.
And I've confirmed it's definitely a heat issue.
Sadly Sony were supposed to have solved their heating issues with the release of the snapdragon 20...but they haven't.
I can actively connect the lagginess of the game directly with the heat of the phone, the ambient heat of the room, and that you can feel the phone getting hotter and hotter in direct relation to how laggy it gets.
I've even been in the middle of a laggy game with the phone feeling very hot and deliberately moved in front of an air cooler with the back of the phone directly in the path of the cool air and had the lagging start to recede as the phone cools down.
I was given an opportunity to try a pixel xl on the same game in an air conditioned room and they were similar.
Then I went outside in the summer heat and the pixel stayed smooth, the Sony rapidly heated up and started to lag.
When you exit the game the Sony stays laggy for about 6 to 7 seconds.. I imagine this is as it cools down.
I love Sony phones, I love that they stick with standard HD screens for good battery life.
I love that they stick with the 5.2" screen... I don't have huge hands.
SwiftKey seems to work better on a Sony than on a Samsung definitely that's for sure.
Though to be honest I am always a little let down by Sony's cameras on their own phones.. It's like they make better lenses for everybody else.
The Samsung will focus INSTANTLY on something small and upclose... Like say... A windows 7 sticker (I'm a computer tech)... Whereas I have quite a lot of difficulty getting the Sony to focus up close.
I've just ordered a oneplus 3t which I'll root and put similar xposed framework modules and compare it to the XZ.
I'll update this for anybody that's interested.
let me say something about these issues...i had xperias before and now i own XZ wich i thought that it wouldnt have overheating problems like on the z5 but it still has some wierd isuues...for example:i ran a game and even when it got hot it worked smoothly and i was surprised and i sad well done sony or Qualcom LOL...so i was feeling happy and after 2 or 3 weeks of usage i get random lags even if the phone is just a little bit warm with no intence gaming yet but somehow the phone works good when its hot but lags when its cooler...this is so wierd...i dont know anymore whats going on with there phones but im seriously thinking of not buying xperia phones again...a guy at waranty sad to me that this is not overheating but its just heating and its up to sony and not them OMG.... i was so angry when he replied me in that way,that i was in the mood to hit that guy strait on the nose really.these phones are not cheap and im not letting them making me a fool.but at the end they will get me back becouse im a Sony fan and also love there design language...sick bastards
Even though I'm a huge nerd, I really did avoid smart phones.. Or even mobile phones for a long long time.. I hated the idea that somebody could contact me no matter where I was.. I didn't get my first smartphone till March 2012.
That was the Samsung Galaxy nexus now more commonly known as the Google nexus.
After that I got an LG G2 and a week later I bought a Sony Z1... And the very first thing I noticed was that even though the LG g2 and the Z1 were based on the same SOC... The Z1 felt vastly superior to use.. It felt faster and more responsive... But i ended up using the LG g2 due to its amazing battery life.
After that I got a Z3 which also had fantastic battery life and I kept that for numerous years till the Z3+ came out.
That was a bad decision.. I was an early adapter.. I wish I'd waited.
So I got an S6 edge.
Worst phone EVER.... The middle of the screen is so unresponsive.. That curve does not make perfect contact with the digitizer or whatever is underneath it.
So I got a S6 flat version... And still a terrible phone experience... Honestly the technology in Samsung phones is amazing... It's like their memory technology is twice as fast as the competition.
It's like comparing a computer with a hard drive to one with an SSD, but they're just let down by poor implementation of software.. It's hard to explain.
I love haptic feedback.. I can't type on a phone without it.
The Z1's haptic feedback was so amazing you could practically hear it across the room if you turned it up.. And if you kept pressing a button fast it's like it would set up a constant vibration..
Same for the Z3+, the Z3 had pretty average feedback as does the XZ I'm writing on now.
However the S6 has the worst feedback I've ever used on a phone.. It's a very high frequency.. It makes typing on the phone unpleasant, it makes using the navigation buttons unpleasant.. The S6 has issues with SwiftKey, yet SwiftKey worked flawlessly on the LG g2, Z1, Z3, Z3+ and the XZ.
So I've not really had that many brands of phones.. That's why I'm giving the Oneplus 3t a go... I've given Sony my loyalty and been burnt twice now.
I'm a big fan of notification lights so I won't go HTC since their too cheap to put a decent light in... And they hide it in the speaker grill.
I wish phone reviewers would review notification lights and feedback... There's more to a phone than how fast it launches a program or what the launcher looks like... There's how it "feels" to use as well.
Just my two cents worth on my thread.
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Honestly I'm not a hardcore gamer, I only play the one game Galatronvs via the KIK APP, it's basically a BOT game which is a downwardly scrolling shootemup... However you do compete online against other players.
And I've confirmed it's definitely a heat issue.
Sadly Sony were supposed to have solved their heating issues with the release of the snapdragon 20...but they haven't.
I can actively connect the lagginess of the game directly with the heat of the phone, the ambient heat of the room, and that you can feel the phone getting hotter and hotter in direct relation to how laggy it gets.
I've even been in the middle of a laggy game with the phone feeling very hot and deliberately moved in front of an air cooler with the back of the phone directly in the path of the cool air and had the lagging start to recede as the phone cools down.
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Thanks for that info. I'll be sure to test for heat problems when I receive mines. Now I fear that I may have two problems when it comes to gaming, suttering and heat LOL.
I haven't had any heat problems with my current Z5 though. The only time was when recording in 4K during a heat wave (around 95F).
Meh the play store is still full of *****y games that weren't even optimised for the adreno 530, the phone has no fault, the 530 destroys not only the competition(in the same category), but especially older mobile GPUs, ask the dev to use his fingers to make a proper app, the XZ has no fault.
I play EA sport - UFC game (i think this is a first-classe game for smartphone, close to PS3 games graphic and textures!!!)
i see lag when conect charger and play this game... this is normal for any phone when actived soc thermal controll (I have galaxy S6 before XZ too!)
any phone have good performance in gaming is "iPhone" but i am ok with freedom in android platform
* sorry for my bad english...
i test some apps i don't if it s the case or not but most games are developed by unity3d!
they are fine on other phones! on xperia this is the similar issue between games that slowing down
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To be honest I'm a little underwhelmed with the gaming speed of the XZ.
I only play one game, its a game in KIK called Galatronvs which is a basic Shootemup.
And to be honest , it is REALLY LAGGY on the XZ compared to the S6......The S6 stays smooth , doesn't judder, doesn't pause, doesn't jump.
All these things happen on the XZ as the game gets busier and there are more bullets and ships on the screen..ultimately i die because its becomes a slide show.
After reading all the articles about the Snapdragon 820 and the Adreno 530 I feel more than a little bit down that my two year old S6 with an Inhouse Mali-T760MP8 outperforms it.
Don't get me wrong, in day to day use it's a dream to use..I don't know what it is about Samsung that their hardware is so good but it translates so badly on software that using the phone feels like work rather than fun, even Swiftkey runs like crap on the Samsung.
I haven't tried any other phones yet, but my friend has just gotten a Google Pixel XL and he's going to let me install Kik and have a 30 minute game next week.
If it lags as well, I'd have to say either the Adreno 530 isn't all that good, or the game is terribly optimised.
Either way , at the moment I'm underwhelmed by my Platinum flagship phone gaming experience.
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sometimes im playing game in my xz but i dont have really issue in heating or laggy (my phone have nougat version)
maybe your issue because you are in MM, lets try to nougat.
or use custome rom.
I received my XZ (F8331) a few days ago. I don't seem to be experiencing any heat issues when it comes to gaming. Also the stuttering I mentioned for Xperia devices is now almost gone. It's still there, but it's so little that it doesn't bother me anymore.
I've only played 3 games so far:
Skyforce Reloaded
Riptide GP Renegade
Asphalt Extreme
Running the Stability Test app from the Play store, the XZ does throttle down much much sooner than my Z5 (the Z5's heatpipes seems to work really well), but that app puts all CPU cores on full load.
I'm curious about this game Galvatronvs you're playing. I'd like to see if it runs the same on my XZ. Could you point me in the right direction to download this game?
need for speed no limits lag like hell
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need for speed no limits lag like hell
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Hello ,
No problem here , i have try now about 30 minutes and no lag
Check my videos:
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Okey i test with "game benchmark"
And no difference between S6 and XZ in game frame rate...
Asphalt8: get 30fps in both devices.
Zombi Highway 2: get 60fps in both devices.
From that test you find:
1) some games locked in lower frame rate, or bad optimized. (asphalt lock on 30fps, zombi highway lock on 60fps)
2) android use "vsync" lock the hardware for limitted fps. Adreno 530 is more powerful then mali T760 (and T880 too!). but there are some software limitations.
3) limited adreno 530 result: gpu not need all his power for reach to 60fps. In my Xperia XZ gpu never reach to 60% load, because not need more load for recive to 60fps.
4) from number#3: none overheating feel when compared with my galaxy s6! s6 need more gpu load for reach to 60fps and gpu core loading heat up the device.
5) unlock software limitations needs custom kernels, and risk of overheating and hardware damage! You don't need more than 60fps for mobile gaming.
6) bad news: Snapdragon 808 can reach to 60fps easily. You can only see "hardware war" between companies. When older SoC can do perfect the end-user works!
Whilst I am NOT defending Samsung and believe there is much to be improved, I do have the Mi 10 Pro with the Snapdragon 865 for a reference point. The Mi 10 Pro as you will be aware runs at 90hz and for me and my observations battery life is comparable and I'm running the ultra at 120hz.
As for performance & heat issues I decided to play an hour of PubG on the Ultra and another hour on the Mi 10 and again maybe slightly more heat on the Exynos but nothing to worry me personally. I can't say I noticed a difference in Gameplay but didn't run side by side or done a FPS count, that aspect I guess the 865 would lead, but I didn't have any issues on the Ultra in terms of playability.
I do recommend Samsung take notice and use ARM architecture on the Exynos 1000, and hope that this will resolve the complaints.
Maybe I got lucky with my chip, but honestly I can't complain as I'm not experiencing the issues that seem to plauge others.
Just showing and sharing my experience whist not defending the 990 entirely......:good:
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Whilst I am NOT defending Samsung and believe there is much to be improved, I do have the Mi 10 Pro with the Snapdragon 865 for a reference point. The Mi 10 Pro as you will be aware runs at 90hz and for me and my observations battery life is comparable and I'm running the ultra at 120hz.
As for performance & heat issues I decided to play an hour of PubG on the Ultra and another hour on the Mi 10 and again maybe slightly more heat on the Exynos but nothing to worry me personally. I can't say I noticed a difference in Gameplay but didn't run side by side or done a FPS count, that aspect I guess the 865 would lead, but I didn't have any issues on the Ultra in terms of playability.
I do recommend Samsung take notice and use ARM architecture on the Exynos 1000, and hope that this will resolve the complaints.
Maybe I got lucky with my chip, but honestly I can't complain as I'm not experiencing the issues that seem to plauge others.
Just showing and sharing my experience whist not defending the 990 entirely......:good:
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Aswell as i.Same i didn't notice any issue.
Me too i don't deffend Samsung.But it is cruical that customer don't have any issues.
Put in side fps variation in games or better score in antutu it just isn't necessery for regular customer.He will not notice it.
I played games,record 4k 60fp 8k videos absolutley everyting also played games on charger because i wanted to know it there is any issue with thermal throtling or anything else.
And for camera with every update is better as well as battery life.I'm satisfied with my S20 Ultra Exynosm Brutal camera btw and brutal zoom
This is mine opinion after almost month with my phone.
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Also i updated myself camera app from 10.0.02.7 to 10.0.03.4 and its superfast shuter and auto focus.Overall its much much better.
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Whilst I am NOT defending Samsung and believe there is much to be improved, I do have the Mi 10 Pro with the Snapdragon 865 for a reference point. The Mi 10 Pro as you will be aware runs at 90hz and for me and my observations battery life is comparable and I'm running the ultra at 120hz.
As for performance & heat issues I decided to play an hour of PubG on the Ultra and another hour on the Mi 10 and again maybe slightly more heat on the Exynos but nothing to worry me personally. I can't say I noticed a difference in Gameplay but didn't run side by side or done a FPS count, that aspect I guess the 865 would lead, but I didn't have any issues on the Ultra in terms of playability.
I do recommend Samsung take notice and use ARM architecture on the Exynos 1000, and hope that this will resolve the complaints.
Maybe I got lucky with my chip, but honestly I can't complain as I'm not experiencing the issues that seem to plauge others.
Just showing and sharing my experience whist not defending the 990 entirely......:good:
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Same here.. i didn't notice any issue except focus.... Samsung has improved something since the last update, but it's not so good as it should be...S20U exynos... [emoji106]
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Same here.. i didn't notice any issue except focus.... Samsung has improved something since the last update, but it's not so good as it should be...S20U exynos... [emoji106]
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Yeah I get the argument between performance of the 865 vs 990 and same price point. All I am saying is that I have seen threads saying the Cameras are Garbage, they really aren't, but yes should be better (Autofocus) which has improved for me.
The phone heats up, well I play long sessions of PubG and haven't noticed anything erratic.
I'm not debating the 990, I would also prefer the 865, but I'm most certainly not experiencing ALL of the aforementioned complaints in regards to this SOC.
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Yeah I get the argument between performance of the 865 vs 990 and same price point. All I am saying is that I have seen threads saying the Cameras are Garbage, they really aren't, but yes should be better (Autofocus) which has improved for me.
The phone heats up, well I play long sessions of PubG and haven't noticed anything erratic.
I'm not debating the 990, I would also prefer the 865, but I'm most certainly not experiencing ALL of the aforementioned complaints in regards to this SOC.
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I forgot something.Last year i had S10 plus exynos.Battery was garbage so i traded it for snapdragon version.It was better.But after fev weeks battery on exynos improved as well.And i notice that internet on my snap is slow.(Sim internet)And i tested it my friend he has galaxy s8 exynos and my s10 plus snap.We opened ookla test he got about 80mb/s i got about 25.we are on same carrier.I tryed couple of times again and i didn't got anytime above 30 so.for everyone that eant snap keep in mind this.Lower badwith as well as singal reception because we are in Europe which uses diffrent signal.One are on GSM another on CDMA.
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Yeah I get the argument between performance of the 865 vs 990 and same price point. All I am saying is that I have seen threads saying the Cameras are Garbage, they really aren't, but yes should be better (Autofocus) which has improved for me.
The phone heats up, well I play long sessions of PubG and haven't noticed anything erratic.
I'm not debating the 990, I would also prefer the 865, but I'm most certainly not experiencing ALL of the aforementioned complaints in regards to this SOC.
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Don't have a device with SD to compare....all those issue that are mentioned i see on Youtube or read on various pages ... those 20% better in performance that are displayed on various benchmark tests in favor of SD processors i don't even notice in everyday use ... such tests mean nothing to me .... still my device with exynos that i use is super fast in any sense, smooth, etc....
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Don't have a device with SD to compare....all those issue that are mentioned i see on Youtube or read on various pages ... those 20% better in performance that are displayed on various benchmark tests in favor of SD processors i don't even notice in everyday use ... such tests mean nothing to me .... still my device with exynos that i use is super fast in any sense, smooth, etc....
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There's a custom recovery now. Soon we'll see custom roms and kernels and both should improve performance/battery life for the exynos. Some, if not all SD will be stuck with Samsung updates forever..
Is there a way to install system apks like camera unrooted?
Personally i play pubg like 3 to 4 hours on one single time with my friends, framerates never drops and the phone is not hot like burning hot, its hot but normal.. as a référence i have thé iphone 11pro max heats more than my phone actually so i think its good..
Guys with positive feedback about exynos, where do you live? I live in Saudi and currently it's the best weather we had this year, and room temperature is 24°and my phone get warm during casual tasks and heats up really bad and drop frames while gaming (all of this while I'm on Wi-Fi), when I turn LTE it is much worse and much warmer, when I turn 5G it stay up for few minutes then heat up then fall back to 4G (I have excellent 5G and 4G signal)
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Is there a way to install system apks like camera unrooted?
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I'm so tired of people falsely claiming exynos is fine in gaming.
You can see a lot of video proofs on YouTube that exynos is trash for gaming and there's no way it can maintain 60fps in pubg mobile for extended playing sessions
If you can't tell the difference between stable 60fps and frequent drop to 40fps it's your problem, don't say it's fine.
At this point I really want someone show me a video proof of exynos running pubg mobile at 60fps for 1 hour. Then I can shut my fxxk up. But until now I see none.
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Personally i play pubg like 3 to 4 hours on one single time with my friends, framerates never drops and the phone is not hot like burning hot, its hot but normal.. as a référence i have thé iphone 11pro max heats more than my phone actually so i think its good..
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Same. The pro max also reduces brightness by 50%
Tbh, the s series is not a gaming phone. Get a gaming phone for gaming.
There is more to life than gaming. There is no perfect phones out there. Each has its unique qualities.
Gaming phones don't take photo well.
To this date samsung phones, at least s and note series is a well balanced phone. Not the best on gaming, photos, ui.. But it's well balanced and do each rather well.
Not to mention the dual messenger and excellent audio it can reproduce.. If you have a decent headset. The adaptive sound is perfect when tuned using the headset of your choice and I have several.. And a profile set for each device. When i change i change the profile.
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vash_h said:
Tbh, the s series is not a gaming phone. Get a gaming phone for gaming.
There is more to life than gaming. There is no perfect phones out there. Each has its unique qualities.
Gaming phones don't take photo well.
To this date samsung phones, at least s and note series is a well balanced phone. Not the best on gaming, photos, ui.. But it's well balanced and do each rather well.
Not to mention the dual messenger and excellent audio it can reproduce.. If you have a decent headset. The adaptive sound is perfect when tuned using the headset of your choice and I have several.. And a profile set for each device. When i change i change the profile.
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cant agree with you on audio i too have a few very good pairs of headsets and audio on this compared to other phones some that are alot cheaper is not good the dolby is well below par if you listen to devices with dolby like motorola or sony they have far superior sound just in my opinion
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Guys with positive feedback about exynos, where do you live? I live in Saudi and currently it's the best weather we had this year, and room temperature is 24°and my phone get warm during casual tasks and heats up really bad and drop frames while gaming (all of this while I'm on Wi-Fi), when I turn LTE it is much worse and much warmer, when I turn 5G it stay up for few minutes then heat up then fall back to 4G (I have excellent 5G and 4G signal)
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I am also in Saudi Arabia, the phone is not too bad on WiFi, but when I use LTE OMG , phone become like heater , I think Samsung has to do something for this heat.
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cant agree with you on audio i too have a few very good pairs of headsets and audio on this compared to other phones some that are alot cheaper is not good the dolby is well below par if you listen to devices with dolby like motorola or sony they have far superior sound just in my opinion
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True.. There is better devices for audio but its still not bad..
Just saying it's an all rounder phone.
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I am also in Saudi Arabia, the phone is not too bad on WiFi, but when I use LTE OMG , phone become like heater , I think Samsung has to do something for this heat.
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When I was in saudi, yanbu, the phone is hot as heck probably due to the constant search for better network.
Was in mobifly or mobily or something like that.
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