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Hi @all:
maybe that can help other non experts like me, that they don´t read so much stuff.
Please give me your Experts- feedback, and I will change some (wrong) absence items, or anybody make this better?
Here my Experience with your help and your experience composed (that the result)
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HTC Shift Windows XP TPC Installation from scratch
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Before you start:
Think first about to open the Windows Mobile side like described in HTC forum. There is a good description
"howto" do this within windows Vista.
Before you install:
- enable WLAN und Bluetooth in Vista side (if you can). (not really necessary, but maybe easier later)
- Disable USB Tool (cable in) on Windows Mobile side if you have the "opened" Windows Mobile installed
- remove SD memory Card if inserted
- Insert the HTC USB Hub with integrated Network card
Install Windows XP TPC: (TPC Installation required 2 CDROMS from Microsoft and is only available for System Integrators or within the MSDN package)
I used a standard windows XP CD with integrated Service Pack 3 as first CD. the second CD with the additionals is standard out of the box.
as sample how to do "patch" or "upgrade" your WXP CD:
http://sysblogd.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/how-to-build-a-windows-xp-sp3-integrated-installation-cd/
(maybe there are many other easier solutions if you search in google)
if you test some other drivers like me, it is advisable to make a backup every step you try - that saves time, trust me ;-)
I use the most of the time acronis true image from a boot CD or from a bootable USB stick to make my "step by step" backups)
so we start with:
Step1:
install windows XP normaly from CDROM. Leave all settings like it is (standard)
After installation and machine is up, make minimal changes, recommended maybe change
the display resolution and the design (if you want classic Windows design) Not more!
Make a backup with acronis true image to CDROM or USB Stick. That´s the best way, if
you must start over with newer or other drivers or you have trouble within the driver installation ..
Step2:
1. Install the Chipset drivers from Intel for the 945 Chipset (latest ver. 9.0.0.1008 6/2/2008) ->Reboot
2. Install the Display Drivers from Intel for the 945 Chipset (latest ver. 14.32.4.4926 2/15/2008 ->Reboot
3. install the HTC Embedded Controller driver (actually Vista EC Driver from HTC´s Homepage named VistaECDrvV1[1].0.1.10.zip)
(see: http://www.htc.com/us/SupportDownload.aspx?p_id=60&cat=1&dl_id=82
open Windows XP Device Manager -> right click on unknown device -> install manually -> and tell them the path to
your unpacked Driver Archive. (I don´t use the setup.exe into this archive)
4. Install the HTC Touchscreen driver (actually Vista Touch screen driver from HTC´s Homepage) with setup.exe Application
4.1 Go to Start-Control Panel-System-Hardware-device Manager-Human Interface Devices-and here are two HID-compliant device.Disable only the first HID-compliant device
(the first HID - compliant from the top) Now the calibration into Systemmanagement is working
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make a backup!
5. Install synaptics Touchpad drivers original from synaptics Homepage:
(see: http://www.synaptics.com/support/drive.cfm ->restart
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5.1 Config Synaptics Touchpad (better meaning the 2 other Buttons on right upper side of shift for
switching Display resolution and Wireless Switcher)
ControlCenterLauncher.exe should be bound to SCROLL LEFT as described, and
ResolutionSwitchLauncher should be bound to SCROLL DOWN
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6. Install realtek high definition Audio drivers (at moment r.2.07 -Restart
(see: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads...=24&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false)
7. install the latest Asix USB2 LAN Driver here: AX88772_772A_WinXP2K_32bit_v3.4.3.23_WHQL_Setup
(see http://www.asix.com.tw/download.php then USB to Fast Ethernet and Model AX88772A
8. install the Fingerprint Auth1610 drivers (the newest is located by HP with Version 7.10.1.0
(see: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/...&cc=us&dlc=en&product=3744020&os=2100&lang=en
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make backup
Step4:
9. Cygwin Installation
(see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=435664&highlight=cygwin
9.1 Start cygwin setup.exe -> install from Internet -> leave all as default -> leave as deafault ->leave as default -> choise a mirror -> exand menu "devel" click where
is "ioperm" in the front on the "Skip" items, that change then to 0.4-1 -> (now is installing 3-4 minutes) declick the two ticks for desktop icon..
9.2 - After cygwin has been installed, open a cygwin bash shell (into C:\cygwin is a cygwin.bat file) start this, then comes a black Window:
here type "ioperm -i" on cygwin shell. then exit this black windows with the command "exit"
9.3 copy from hsect-2.1 folder the file hsect2 to c:\cygwin\bin
9.4 copy the 4 Batch files (HSECT) for enabling/disabling BT/WLAN to your Desktop
Additional switches: (if you need) Usage: hsect [option(s)]
options: (for selfwriting batch files)
-b Enter CE Bootloader
-e Exit CE Bootloader
-r Reboot WinCE
-W [0|1] Wifi On/Off
-B [0|1] Bluetooth On/Off
-l [val] Change LEDs. Values from 0x0 to 0x97
-L All LED off
-h Show this help message
10. Update the SDBUS.sys!
now unpack sdbus driver to c:\
reboot your shift and start again with your windows xp install CD
run recovery terminal (boot from Windows XP install cd normally and then use the "R" Key for recovery console
then copy c:\sdbus.sys to C:\windows\system32\drivers (use command: "copy c:\sdbus.sys C:\windows\system32\drivers" )
then when he sking override, say Yes "Y" and then type command "exit" (machine rebooting)
When Windows is Up again open device manager
on controller host secure digital->properties->driver detail
the driver version now is 6.053.......OK
11. Update WLAN Drivers
go to marvell sd-8686->properties->update driver->select the directory of wlan1.1 driver
and all WORK FINE!!!!!!
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Make a Backup now! Now you have a stable Version for testing.
other leaks:
- Memory Cards (SDHC) with more then 4 GB and the sdbus.sys driver for the SDA SD-Hostadapter
If you have problems with SDHC memory cards (not recognizing), I have found a solution, but i´m at the moment not shure if it stable. (is a package from Lenovo called "osda06us"
You must force update the Secure Digital Hostcontroller, but I´m not shure, which files at all. (normally they say, no new driver found so you must force that, but maybe there
is a other, newer driver outside in the far www ) (Which Hardware Vendor is the SD Card reader?)
see also http://forum.xda-developers.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=2813208
### changes: I noticed, as I fallback to an older Backup (that has not installed the needed "sdbus.sys" for WLAN, but only the standard sdbus.sys from XP CD) that SDHC "sometimes works, but the most time - when SDHC inserting - I become a bluescreen. Maybe so we must have a look to a other sdbus.sys driver described in WLAN Howto ### maybe with the needed *.inf file, so that this can install regulary. Maybe the missing *.inf file is the really problem...
- Display interpolation to a other (higher) resolution
no idea :-(
### helping, if something not working ###
If you have some problems I have a good idea: (Maybe XDA Developers help each other)
there is a good remote administration software like VNC called teamviewer.
( see: http://www.teamviewer.com/index.aspx ) with this tool you can take the desktop control from each other.
I use this tool the most of the time to help other with her PC (or PDA) Problems. The "USB Stick" Version that you can
find in the download section is the best. You can start it always from Desktop (you can copy it to USB stick too, but you can start it from desktop also)
No needing installation, and really easy to use and secure.
When some of my users have problems with Windows mobile PDA´s i let install them mymobiler ( see: http://www.mymobiler.com/ ) and with this
combinating (mymobiler and Teamviewer) i can get control of the PC and PDA.
that´s a fine solution I think. I think always open minded, and help with solutions like this many users the last 10 years ;-) If I become instead money
for helping with PC problems I had my own flat ;-)))) But my help is always free, to volunteer one's time. I think we should build a xda developers honorary
help line is a open source Idea But now I´m offline for one week, must go to a business trip :-(
bg
joy
What drivers are needed for the 3G modem under XP?... or are they built-in XP already?
Hi VeEuzUKY,
You cannot connect the 3G Modem directly over Windows. You must have to open the Windows Mobile side (called liberated ROM), then the Windows Mobile side is like a normal Windows Mobile PDA)
see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=378234
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420548
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=377441
and then you can use the standard Windows Mobile options for using 3G, (internet sharing) like you connected a WM6 PDA/smartphone via USB to your Computer. (but, the shift has this USB Connection inside, you must only use the USBtool on Windows Mobile side, to virtually connect the USB to the PC side) Only what do you do is install on Windows Side:
Active Sync 4.5.
well a good solution, so you must not install in Windows Side crazy drivers and connecting tools.
see:
http://blogs.msdn.com/zhengpei/archive/2008/06/06/how-windows-mobile-internet-sharing-works.aspx
Thanks for the info joy.d. I still dont quite understand if ActiveSync needs to be running or if its a background thing and its all 'seamless". With Vista things seem all to be more streamlined and working properly out of the box, obviousely. The whole conversion to XP is a heck of an adventure I will try it this upcoming weekend and see how it goes
Hi VeEuzUKY,
please make a backup with acronis, Ghost or whatever before, that´s the easiest way, to have a fallback to a working device. Maybe in the next time we found a solution for all.
the Internet connection is not comfortable like within Vista, but the normally procedere
when you have Windows XP PC/Notebook and a Windows Mobile PDA/Smartphone.
Normally you can optimize (look and feel) vista to the same performance like Windows XP tablet PC Edition, so it is not really necersary to make a downgrade.
Normally is a downgrade only interesting, if you use the "normal Windows XP" without Tablet PC addon, but with functionality of the Touchscreen. (much faster) I Think Tablet PC functions is only really interesting if you dont have a Keyboard. (andthe shift has) ;-)
Hey joy.d
thanks a lot for this guide. I know its takes a lot of time to put this
together. Its much appreciated.
I would like to ask you about the speed differences, especially
DIVX and MPG play. Do you get a nice video performance watching
movies?
I compared the Shift with the UX from Sony. the UX is just so much smoother
and faster. I was hoping XP would do the trick
Hi aquasesh,
I think the Sony UX have a integrated MPEG Decoder? (i´m not shure, but I remember the first "UMPC´s" from Sony the C1xxx Series, have integrated the most of the time a own Hardware Video Accelator. Maybe UX have it too?
I will try it next time, if I have time. I use the most time for all Video related playback issues
VLC ( http://www.videolan.org ) this is a open Source Video (Media) Player with many options.
When you talk from DIVX, I think, you can´t really win with the shift. To few 2nd Level Cache, slow southbridge, slow and old processor. (e.g. hehe: test your shift with the intel processor identification tool, that you can download from Intel ( http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=N&ProductID=1881&DwnldID=7838 )
the shift was - to my mind - dead before it come on the market. I think the shift was a study from HTC, to test the placement on the market. Let´s face it:
the shift is not beautiful, is not fast, has not notable features... the slider concept is mechanical curios.. ;-)
I don´t want to bash HTC or the shift, (i Buyd the most of all HTC devices that come to the european market) but the shift is not really a moneyspinner ;-)
But Sony is the most of the time not better. Bt they look and fell is much better
joy.d said:
Hi aquasesh,
I think the Sony UX have a integrated MPEG Decoder? (i´m not shure, but I remember the first "UMPC´s" from Sony the C1xxx Series, have integrated the most of the time a own Hardware Video Accelator. Maybe UX have it too?
I will try it next time, if I have time. I use the most time for all Video related playback issues
VLC ( http://www.videolan.org ) this is a open Source Video (Media) Player with many options.
When you talk from DIVX, I think, you can´t really win with the shift. To few 2nd Level Cache, slow southbridge, slow and old processor. (e.g. hehe: test your shift with the intel processor identification tool, that you can download from Intel ( http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=N&ProductID=1881&DwnldID=7838 )
the shift was - to my mind - dead before it come on the market. I think the shift was a study from HTC, to test the placement on the market. Let´s face it:
the shift is not beautiful, is not fast, has not notable features... the slider concept is mechanical curios.. ;-)
I don´t want to bash HTC or the shift, (i Buyd the most of all HTC devices that come to the european market) but the shift is not really a moneyspinner ;-)
But Sony is the most of the time not better. Bt they look and fell is much better
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I agree...but the keyboard on the UX is nothing. Virtually not usable.
I have no trouble to run my bluerays on my UX. Thats worth something.
But i just love the connectivity of the Shift.
I personally think the Shift is better looking than the UX and more functional (at least for my use), but that's a personal preference. I never considered the UX and not because of money considerations (as a matter of fact, I never considered UMPC, and still wouldn't if it wasn't for the Shift, so yeah, it has notable features and a form factor that works for me better than most out there).
On XP, the Shift runs fast and with no issues. I wouldn't watch a bluray disk on it even if I could. There's no point. I wouldn't care for a bluray on anything less than 46in, whoever sees the difference on such a small screen is just buying in the hype.
As for DivX on the Shift with XP, it plays smooth and with zero issues. I tested a few ones, one of them was the Incredible Hulk, avg bitrate of 1400kbps video and ac3 5.1. Watched a few high action scenes (here the bitrate would be well over the average) and it played as smooth as anything out there. And I had running evertyhing at the same time, e.g. turecrypt (full hdd encryption), eset security (antivirus and firewall), o&o defrag (in stealth mode), even google desktop (which btw on vista was enough to cripple the shift) and a few other things.
You don't need a hardware decoder for DivX/XviD with even a processor like on the Shift, it wouldn't make sense to (besides, hardware decoders have limitations and would have issues with some encoding settings used). MPEG-2 decoder, maybe. The processor is absolutely no issue for divx/xvid, whoever says otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about. There would be issues because of other non-efficient programs that might be running or OS like Vista. If you would have issues with it, it won't be for playback, but for encoding which would take a long time (but why would you do that on the Shift anyway). I'm still playing XviD movies on my 7 year old machine with no issues.
However, I'm using a rather effecient (if not the best) decoder, ffdshow and also mplayer classic (the best one imho), both of which should perform well in
slower machines.
P.S. I'm not saying the Shift is perfect, it ain't by a mile and with just a little more effort it could've been much better. I would've paid even more for SSD, better and more efficient processor and better battery life. But when it comes to form and features, that's what I needed, too bad HTC's execution wasn't very good.
I have the Thinkpad X61 tablet. I was running Windows 7 with it. Awesome experience. Just upgraded to Windows 8 (chose to keep all my files, programs, and settings), and now Inkseine does not work. When I try to start it, I get an error pop-up (Inkseine has stopped working). I tried re-installing, still no luck even with .Net 3.5 enabled (as required by the software). So how come this program works in W7 but not W8? All my other stylus programs (OneNote, Windows Journal) are working though. Is MS just banishing this awesome program? I can't find an equivalent replacement.
Try running the app in Compatibility Mode. Right-click either the EXE or the shortcut (in Start or taskbar or desktop or anywhere), select Properties, and go to Compatibility. Enable the Compatibility Mode option for either Win7 or before (if the app say it works on XP, you might try that, for example). Then try running it again.
Also, do some searching online; other people may have had the same or similar problem and found a way around it, or the developer might even have a patch for it. Win8 is supposed to be fully binary compatible with Win7 programs, but these things are never perfect.
It would help if you could get the error message, exception info, or stack trace. However, unless you know how to use a Windows debugger, hat probably won't happen.
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Try running the app in Compatibility Mode. Right-click either the EXE or the shortcut (in Start or taskbar or desktop or anywhere), select Properties, and go to Compatibility. Enable the Compatibility Mode option for either Win7 or before (if the app say it works on XP, you might try that, for example). Then try running it again.
Also, do some searching online; other people may have had the same or similar problem and found a way around it, or the developer might even have a patch for it. Win8 is supposed to be fully binary compatible with Win7 programs, but these things are never perfect.
It would help if you could get the error message, exception info, or stack trace. However, unless you know how to use a Windows debugger, hat probably won't happen.
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Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, no compatibility mode is able to make the program run. I used to have Visual Studio 2010 with all the debugging software but since I am not really a programmer I got rid of it. So sadly, I can't figure out what's wrong. I managed to get to the event logger but there was nothing there about inkseine.
I sent a message to the Inkseine team at Microsoft and got a response saying that the program is working on their end. So maybe I just got a corrupted upgrade from Win7 to Win8? My computer runs like butter though, so I am not eager to change anything right now. I am slowly learning to do my scribbling with Journal, but the experience will definitely never be the same (except I am liking the small memory usage of Journal. Inkseine uses A LOT of memory and creates huge files too)
Can anyone tell me when / why I want to use desktop mode (I've got a Surface for Windows RT)?
I know the Office apps force you there. Otherwise, is it only when I want to hit up the control panel or Explorer?
Is there anything else to do in Desktop mode?
Also, stupid question, but is there any way to launch an app (other than the 5 pinned to the taskbar) directly in desktop mode?
When you don't have a tablet?
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When you don't have a tablet?
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Sorry, I should have specified, I'm asking about the Surface for Windows RT
I think when Microsoft releases the next visual studio it will be compatible with rt in desktop mode. Also you have calculator, paint etc. on the desktop.
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I believe Desktop mode is short term legacy support. Should disappear in the next version of RT.
junialum said:
I believe Desktop mode is short term legacy support. Should disappear in the next version of RT.
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And quite possibly in a couple iterations of Windows itself...
Thanks.
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Windows explorer? IE with addons? Control Panel?
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junialum said:
I believe Desktop mode is short term legacy support. Should disappear in the next version of RT.
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And quite possibly in a couple iterations of Windows itself...
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No. Desktop mode is never going to be phased out, "legacy" is just a marketing ploy to accentuate that the new UI is "modernUI".
Desktop mode is for desktop things. Like when you plug a keyboard and mouse into your Surface, and you browse the internet with IE desktop and manage your files with explorer or use office. The full functions of office could never and will never be crammed into an app: it would violate the simplicity/stylistic/touchfriendly guidelines.
Desktop will never be phased out of RT or Windows, I don't know why people think this.
Other things to use Desktop Mode for:
Scripting (CMD, Powershell, etc.).
Proper multitasking (more than two windows at once).
Task Manager.
Advanced management tools (Management console and all its snap-ins, diskpart and netsh and other command-line tools, etc.).
IE developer tools.
Setting up file and folder sharing.
anything else that apps can't do...
Oh, and (especially once we get this working better), running existing apps that have ben recompiled for ARM.
link68759 said:
Desktop mode is for desktop things. Like when you plug a keyboard and mouse into your Surface, and you browse the internet with IE desktop and manage your files with explorer or use office. The full functions of office could never and will never be crammed into an app: it would violate the simplicity/stylistic/touchfriendly guidelines.
Desktop will never be phased out of RT or Windows, I don't know why people think this.
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Yeah, that's how I've been using it. I picked up a bluetooth mouse that works nicely without a dongle. I used desktop mode to copy some files around - it was nice. I plan to use Remote Apps and some other stuff that will only work well in desktop mode.
Its nice. I can switch back and forth with ease. Some things (content consumption with ass parked on a couch) are easier with the don't-call-it-metro mode and some things (content creation/manipulation while sitting at a desk) are easier to do in desktop mode. I can't do that with any of my iOS or Android tablets. Because of this, I see desktop mode as an advantage WinRT has over iOS and Android. Neither of those have anything similar and probably never will have.
But hey - don't like desktop mode? Don't use it.
I see the don't-call-it-metro mode and desktop mode as similar to the way DOS and Windows used to be. Win95/NT/2000 was nice, but sometimes you just needed to drop into DOS to do some things easier. I still use ipconfig /all quite a bit now that I am thinking about it.
I sincerely hope desktop mode is never phased out. I can't imagine why it would be - DOS Command Prompt is still around after all these years and it still has its uses.
Just to clarify, because this is a pet peeve of mine: THAT IS NOT DOS! It is a command-line shell which emulates certain portions of the DOS user interface and, on 32-bit machines, also the DOS API... but it's not DOS. CMD can do all kinds of things that DOS can't, ranging from UI features like path or command completion to system capabilities like running apps in the background (DOS had no multitasking capability). 32-bit builds of Windows NT (including 2000, XP, Vista, Win7, and Win8, plus corresponding server builds, which all use NT) include NTVDM - the NT Virtual DOS Machine - for running 16-bit DOS apps with emulated hardware (DOS granted full access to the hardware for any app; NT doesn't, so it had to provide virtual hardware for compatibility). NTVDM will *claim* to be a version of DOS, for compatibility's sake, but that's no more true than Wine on Linux claiming to be a version of Windows.
However, I absolutely agree that some things are best done in the command line. I actually rather dislike CMD; its command completion sucks, its scripting language is lame, its quotation parsing rules are bizarre and archaic, and it's missing some capabilities such as what you get from `command-goes-here` on POSIX shells. On versions of Windows which can run it, I prefer to use bash via SUA; on versions which can't, Cygwin is an almost-acceptable alternative. I'm slowly learning Powershell (accelerated somewhat by the fact that the Surface RT has both CMD and Powershell, but neither SUA nor Cygwin) as well; it's very powerful but its scripting syntax feels weird to me and the software itself is very heavyweight and tends to run slowly at times (such as when loading new modules).
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Just to clarify, because this is a pet peeve of mine: THAT IS NOT DOS! .
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Yeah... I know... But its much easier to type DOS than it is to type "a command-line shell which emulates certain portions of the DOS user interface and, on 32-bit machines, also the DOS API..." Don't you agree?
or "CMD", "CLI", "command line", "command-line interface", "terminal", "command prompt", "TUI", "text user interface", "text shell", "cmd.exe", "powershell", even "NTVDM", ...
Sorry, totally off-topic, I know. It's just frustrating when people claim that 'Windows is just a graphical interface over DOS" (hasn't been true since the early 90s) or 'Windows is still built on a DOS core" (hasn't been true since ME), or "Windows still includes a copy of DOS" (not true at all for 64-bit or ARM or Itanium or anything other than x86, and arguable even there). To people who actually heavily used (or, haven forbid, still use) DOS, or have old DOS apps they need to run, that just results in problems which, annoyingly often, I end up needing to solve. It would help a lot of people who knew better didn't perpetuate the untruths.
Oh, and back on-topic: if you use desktop IE, you can add Tracking Protection lists (and edit the automatic one) and also enable ActiveX filtering (which might not be needed on RT due to its limited Flash list and lack of many other plug-ins, but I still prefer it).
I know a few people have made threads like this before, but those were all before Windows 8 was released in its final version. Now that Windows 8 has been out for a while, how do you think it compares to Debian? The gestures and apps are cool ideas, but I don't think they were implemented as well as they could have been on the OS when it came to non-touchscreen devices. Apps are a good idea, but I spend almost no time on the start screen apart from checking mail and breezing past it on my way to search for something.
Drivers have been a nightmare for some users, me included, as a few random automatic updates (now turned off on my PC) rendered my wifi unusable without a complete reinstallation of all the Toshiba drivers. I haven't had any problems with things such as mouse drivers, but I've heard of others who had to get them from another computer and install them via a flash drive.
Graphics are superb on Win8, much better in my opinion than Debian's, but when it comes down to it, they just aren't that big of a factor when choosing an operating system. Debian, on the other hand, lacks fancy graphics while it has a much more ("power user", I guess) friendly way of dealing with files and customization when installing packages. Windows does have options while installing programs, but they are limited to what the installer offers to let you do.
As far as ubiquity, Windows wins hands down. With a Windows system, you will almost never be stuck with a file format that nobody around you can open, and Microsoft Office is just as widespread on school and work computers as it is on home computers. Debian, meanwhile, comes with OpenOffice, or you can install OpenOffice's newer branch, LibreOffice. Both use the .odf format, which is readable in Microsoft Word, but some formatting options and graphics don't translate nicely into Word format. Fortunately, they also include the .doc and .docx formats, though they restrict you somewhat on what your document can have in it (same translation issues). Back to ubiquity, programs are nearly always easier to install on Windows, and plugins such as Flash and Java require much less experience and work on many more browsers when installing than on Debian.
For customization, I like Debian better because packages can install either programs or give you new system changes, such as new window managers and graphics options. In Windows, you either have to change group policy settings, or edit the registry, both time consuming, inefficient, and risky tasks (not so risky for group policy, but whatever). Programs such as Wine (actually, just wine, AFAIK) can safely add a different file system type into Debian, while you have to use the much less well known program Cygwin to have a Linux-esque environment on Windows.
I could go on and on about information that's readily available on google, but I need to know, do you like Debian or Windows better? I've been running Debian on Virtualbox for a while now, and I like it, but the whole thing about it not being as widespread and well-supported (yes, I know it has a support community behind it, but you can google literally just about any problem for Windows) is what's holding me back. I've done a dual-boot arrangement in the past, but that doesn't work because I allot half my hard drive space to both OS's, then end up using only one. So I want to have only one OS installed. I don't use Microsoft Office anyway (LibreOffice all the way! ), but getting used to using pretty much ALL open source alternatives to common Windows programs will take more than the month of sporadic testing on a VM that I've done with it.
Is it worth the switch? Or is Windows 8 too good to give up?
I believe the best hackers/minds/tinkerers in the internet are typically found in these forums, so I like to post the most intricate questions that all other forums failed to answer as my last resort. As they say, save the best for last. (No pressure, lol)
Issue 1:
Upscaling. Atom Clovertrail Z2760 does not have any upscaling option built into its Intel Graphics Control Panel. It is a known issue with all atom 2760 devices including my own tablet Samsung Ativ 500t, as well HP Envy X2, Asus Vivotab Smart, Asus Vivotab tf810c. etc.
The problem presents itself when attempting to run an old game designed for a resolution of 800 x 600, for example. When you go into "full screen" mode, what you get is a still tiny window with huge black bars all around. Somebody suggested using the windows magnifier, but that cuts off some of the game screen.
So, is there any third party mods to the Intel drivers, third party upscaler software, or anything of the sort I can use to solve this situation? Intel did not develop official drivers, and people contacting Samsung were pretty much told "screw you, we dont care"
Issue 2:
Android:
Research found that Bluestacks does not seem to work with my particular tablet. I encountered an interesting thing called Android X86, which Im sure you guys already know about. While going through their website, my head exploded. I do not have the savvy to reconfigure a kernel, or make a bootable USB drive using Linux without..well..Linux. I was just hoping that somebody has successfully installed Android x86 in a more recent Windows 8 tablet. I have found instances of people who did in older Windows 7 tablets, like the Acer w500 for example, but no one yet with specific information no how to install this on a clovertrail tablet.
I was hoping could help me out getting this done. Being able to dual boot the Sammy Ativ 500 would be a dream come true.
Thank you very much for your time.
There's a thread literally right next to this one that talks about installing Android-x86 on a Win8 tablet. You might start there...
The usual solution to the options for display scaling not appearing in the driver control screen is to put Windows into a lower resolution (for example, 1024x768 or 800x600) and then usually (though I haven't tried on Clover Trail) the option you're looking for (display scaling) will appear.
GoodDayToDie said:
There's a thread literally right next to this one that talks about installing Android-x86 on a Win8 tablet. You might start there...
The usual solution to the options for display scaling not appearing in the driver control screen is to put Windows into a lower resolution (for example, 1024x768 or 800x600) and then usually (though I haven't tried on Clover Trail) the option you're looking for (display scaling) will appear.
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Yeah I tried that. I also tried the whole f11 thing. Nothing. Did not notice that other thread. will go check into it.
GoodDayToDie said:
There's a thread literally right next to this one that talks about installing Android-x86 on a Win8 tablet. You might start there...
The usual solution to the options for display scaling not appearing in the driver control screen is to put Windows into a lower resolution (for example, 1024x768 or 800x600) and then usually (though I haven't tried on Clover Trail) the option you're looking for (display scaling) will appear.
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Im sorry if Im blind but..which thread are you referring to? I assumed it was the Iconia w700 one but saw no mention of Android X86
Near the end of the w700 thread its become a android-ia discussion not android-x86.
Anyway. The clovertrail CPU used in the 500t ONLY supports windows and will likely refuse to boot anything but windows. It might well be possible to male it boot the Linux kernel eventually but only with that kernel configuration you mentioned not wanting to do. Basically its not possible right now, but if it is possible one day there are 2 solutions to your making a usb drive in Linux without Linux. Firstly, ubuntu is free if you are willing to install it on another machine first (I think you can buy ubuntu DVDs or burn one yourself from windows). Secondly you can make bootable usbs in windows.
Android on clovertrail could eventually work, probably easier job than the surface RT guys have. The clovertrail replacement will be back to normal and support any x86 OS, I don't know why clovertrail has such a restriction, it just does.
Bluestacks for surface pro apparently works fine on clovertrail as does jar of beans. I haven't tried either one myself but have heard the various complaints about bluestacks working or not working.
The driver does not support upscaling.
I'm not sure if there is a hardware upscaler in the PowerVR SGX545 core or not.
but it can be done with software, like upscaling a lowres framebuffer to a highres framebuffer (f.e 640x480 -> 1366x768) and using opengl or directX for filtering or interpolation.
It has to be either done by the driver or as a dll hooked into a directdraw/directX/opengl application.
Driver would be the best option because it would be universal and work with all applications.
darkleafar said:
I believe the best hackers/minds/tinkerers in the internet are typically found in these forums, so I like to post the most intricate questions that all other forums failed to answer as my last resort. As they say, save the best for last. (No pressure, lol)
Issue 1:
Upscaling. Atom Clovertrail Z2760 does not have any upscaling option built into its Intel Graphics Control Panel. It is a known issue with all atom 2760 devices including my own tablet Samsung Ativ 500t, as well HP Envy X2, Asus Vivotab Smart, Asus Vivotab tf810c. etc.
The problem presents itself when attempting to run an old game designed for a resolution of 800 x 600, for example. When you go into "full screen" mode, what you get is a still tiny window with huge black bars all around. Somebody suggested using the windows magnifier, but that cuts off some of the game screen.
So, is there any third party mods to the Intel drivers, third party upscaler software, or anything of the sort I can use to solve this situation? Intel did not develop official drivers, and people contacting Samsung were pretty much told "screw you, we dont care"
Issue 2:
Android:
Research found that Bluestacks does not seem to work with my particular tablet. I encountered an interesting thing called Android X86, which Im sure you guys already know about. While going through their website, my head exploded. I do not have the savvy to reconfigure a kernel, or make a bootable USB drive using Linux without..well..Linux. I was just hoping that somebody has successfully installed Android x86 in a more recent Windows 8 tablet. I have found instances of people who did in older Windows 7 tablets, like the Acer w500 for example, but no one yet with specific information no how to install this on a clovertrail tablet.
I was hoping could help me out getting this done. Being able to dual boot the Sammy Ativ 500 would be a dream come true.
Thank you very much for your time.
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I made a post about this, and i was able to make it boot to ''chose your language screen'' also it boots in safe mode.
Good News People!
I got android x86 installation to boot perfectly, going to install now. posting instructions when i can.
Good news. bad news.
With a program called easyuefi you are able to get it to boot to android x86 installation, however keyboard is not working when choosing an hard drive partition. in grub screen it works fine.
make a new partition, extract android x86 iso there.
Now open up easyuefi and click add entry
When choosing a boot file, In your extracted android x86 files there is a folder called efi.
choose 32bit efi file and click ok. well add to description android so it wont whine about missin description. Now at the easyuefi boot entry screen click on the entry you just created and choose one time boot, now click on power and choose reboot and then click yes.
Cyanogen based android x86 boots fine in live mode but the resolution is ''out of range'' the cyanogen bootlogo is really wide and bugged out, welcome screen is pixeled out.
Not working my friend. Any other suggestions or updates
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With a program called easyuefi you are able to get it to boot to android x86 installation, however keyboard is not working when choosing an hard drive partition. in grub screen it works fine.
make a new partition, extract android x86 iso there.
Now open up easyuefi and click add entry
When choosing a boot file, In your extracted android x86 files there is a folder called efi.
choose 32bit efi file and click ok. well add to description android so it wont whine about missin description. Now at the easyuefi boot entry screen click on the entry you just created and choose one time boot, now click on power and choose reboot and then click yes.
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not working
Ghalilo said:
not working
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Posted to remixos section of xda, asking help with pictures that remix os actually boots but i still have some problems with it.
Remember to install android files to its own partition on your 500t hard drive / preinstall it there. You can add, modify and remove partitions from Disk Management.
I got remix os to boot with their own installer and cyanogenmod based android x86 android image with easyuefi.
remember to disable from bios the boot protection.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/remix/remix-os/samsung-ativ-500t-boot-remix-os-t3500257