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The iPhone 5 really takes a good jab at the Galaxy S III so it teaches Samsung to stop being lazy with their hardware. They thought they could rest on their laurels and produce a so so product because they had a bit of hype under their sail.
I wanted them to go above and beyond the norm of the average when it comes to phones. Same GPU, RAM from last year? A modest clocked CPU? They clearly didn't go above and beyond like the last time. I don't see the improvement in the camera aside from snapping photos a bit faster; albeit its supposed to have zero shutter lag. They even cut the front facing camera back by .1 megapixels.
I hope they focus more on specs next time around since they honed in on software. With under 2 GB of ram, this phone isn't as future proof.

I also thought they would 'improve' the battery. At least 2,300 mAh would have been a more sufficient improvement.

megagodx said:
The iPhone 5 really takes a good jab at the Galaxy S III so it teaches Samsung to stop being lazy with their hardware. They thought they could rest on their laurels and produce a so so product because they had a bit of hype under their sail.
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iPhone will be an average phone when it comes as all iPhones are. Maybe good display and camera but thats it.
megagodx said:
I wanted them to go above and beyond the norm of the average when it comes to phones. Same GPU, RAM from last year? A modest clocked CPU? They clearly didn't go above and beyond like the last time. I don't see the improvement in the camera aside from snapping photos a bit faster; albeit its supposed to have zero shutter lag. They even cut the front facing camera back by .1 megapixels.
I hope they focus more on specs next time around since they honed in on software. With under 2 GB of ram, this phone isn't as future proof.
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GPU is not the same. Just because it states Mali 400 doesnt mean its the same. It's like saying corei7 are all the same while there are many versions. This Mali 400 is better than its predecessor.
RAM is not the same either, just the same amount.
The CPU is clocked at 1.4 for battery consumption purposes. It can certainly be pushed.
The Front Camera records 720p and its 1.9mpixels instead of 1.3 that HOX's is. Maybe the megapixels there had to do with the ability to record 720p? I don't really know but 0.1 mpixels doesnt mean worse
A phone doesn't practically need more than 1GB of RAM. Since you don't notice any lags, the games run smoothly and you don't get any memory full messages I see no reason why to whine about more RAM
Well... I understand that people want revolution but why would samsung raise the competition when they are still ahead with less?

Damn what are you running that makes you want 2GB of ram
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How about the performance of Exynos 5250?

Hi, guys. I am interested in N10,but I am very curious about performance of N10. I know Samsung use an dual core based at ARM15, but its screen has a high resolution 2560x1400. Is its dual core really capable of such a high resolution? How about the performance of multiple tasking? Any lag? My current cellphone is Galaxy Note 2 that has a quad core chip, but it is not as fast as what I thought until I flash 4.4.2 ROM. Tell me your experience of using N10. Your comment would really help me make a good decision. By the way, the main purpose is to internet bowersing and watch movies which store on portable HDD. Thanks
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I have been running the Nexus 10 since it came out. No complaints here. I watch allot of Youtube video, news and sports videos, etc. Even runs better when I tether it off my 4G. Been testing latest 4.4.3 Roms available here at XDA. Not much difference over 4.4.2, runs good with either.
Good luck.

The cpu doesnt primarily drive the screen so it handles the big resolution screen very well. With browsing and watching movies its just fast. This thing is a beast when it comes to gaming because it has a kick ass gpu..
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Alexsandra said:
Hi, guys. I am interested in N10,but I am very curious about performance of N10. I know Samsung use an dual core based at ARM15, but its screen has a high resolution 2560x1400. Is its dual core really capable of such a high resolution? How about the performance of multiple tasking? Any lag? My current cellphone is Galaxy Note 2 that has a quad core chip, but it is not as fast as what I thought until I flash 4.4.2 ROM. Tell me your experience of using N10. Your comment would really help me make a good decision. By the way, the main purpose is to internet bowersing and watch movies which store on portable HDD. Thanks
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I agree with the two posts above mine. I've had this tablet for a few months, and never once has it felt slow or sluggish with anything I've thrown at it. This ain't your typical dual core. It's on par with my Nexus 5 and Nexus 7 (2013).

mrgnex said:
The cpu doesnt primarily drive the screen so it handles the big resolution screen very well. With browsing and watching movies its just fast. This thing is a beast when it comes to gaming because it has a kick ass gpu..
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Great!

Hi,
Not only what the guys said above, to power the screen resolution, the GPU has 1GB allocated to it since 4.3 if I'm not wrong. So it's quite capable, just be careful when using many apps, the RAM is limited to only 1GB due to it. Even though I'm able to play many games and watch full HD videos with ease and comfort .
~Lord

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As usual, the correct answer would be: "It depends!"
The Nexus 10 is the best Samsung could do at the time it came out.
Somehow both Google and Samsung felt compelled at the time to deliver something that would beat Apple at least on paper.
Truth is, it's a somewhat unbalanced device by today's standards.
A typical competitor today would probably have a Qualcom Snapdragon 800 or better and you'd notice the difference!
Generally CPU performance is still quite ok: More than 2 cores rarely make sense and these ARM 15 cores tend to have enough oomph for the sort of things you'd run on a tablet CPU. And the Exynos seems to be a close match to the Snapdragon, core by core.
So there, for all practical purposes, it won't feel much slower than a modern devices.
But the GPU can't quite deal with the resolution and even if it could, DRAM bandwidth would be the next barrier. So when you look for 3D game performance, the Nexus 10 can't quite keep up with what is out there these days.
Depending on your benchmark it may feel like a dog, but good games tailer themselves to what's available and even some 3D ones are actually ok.
Mine's most used for reading books, surfing, perhaps even some video, I'm also doing some writing (with BT keyboard/mouse) on it and that's all more than ok, especially when you want to flip forth and back between lots of web-sites and programs.
I'd say when you can get the Nexus 10 for cheap it's still pretty good, when you're ready to pay prime dollar, you'll find better even from Samsung.

abufrejoval said:
As usual, the correct answer would be: "It depends!"
The Nexus 10 is the best Samsung could do at the time it came out.
Somehow both Google and Samsung felt compelled at the time to deliver something that would beat Apple at least on paper.
Truth is, it's a somewhat unbalanced device by today's standards.
A typical competitor today would probably have a Qualcom Snapdragon 800 or better and you'd notice the difference!
Generally CPU performance is still quite ok: More than 2 cores rarely make sense and these ARM 15 cores tend to have enough oomph for the sort of things you'd run on a tablet CPU. And the Exynos seems to be a close match to the Snapdragon, core by core.
So there, for all practical purposes, it won't feel much slower than a modern devices.
But the GPU can't quite deal with the resolution and even if it could, DRAM bandwidth would be the next barrier. So when you look for 3D game performance, the Nexus 10 can't quite keep up with what is out there these days.
Depending on your benchmark it may feel like a dog, but good games tailer themselves to what's available and even some 3D ones are actually ok.
Mine's most used for reading books, surfing, perhaps even some video, I'm also doing some writing (with BT keyboard/mouse) on it and that's all more than ok, especially when you want to flip forth and back between lots of web-sites and programs.
I'd say when you can get the Nexus 10 for cheap it's still pretty good, when you're ready to pay prime dollar, you'll find better even from Samsung.
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I'd say this is a pretty fair assessment. GPU struggles with some modern apps such as Google maps, and even now Chrome isn't the best. I still use browser because its much smoother, and I also use the 'performance' CPU governor which locks the tablet to 1.7ghz and really helps responsiveness.
That being said, its still a really really nice tablet generally. If you're getting it for a good price you should be happy enough. I still love using mine nearly 2 years after buying it, and I'm comparing it to my snap 800 powered XZU. Its still a really nice screen, really nice design. Quick enough and battery life is not too bad these days either! (6 hours SOT easy with brightness at 35℅)

Your Thoughts on Idol 3 5.5" Octo-core Processor

I bought the Idol 3 4.7" because I wanted the smaller form factor, but I returned it because the Snapdragon 410 is just not strong enough for me. Multi-tasking between even basic apps like email and calendar would stutter and drop framerate and that's kind of a dealbreaker for me.
I'm thinking about trying the 5.5" but I'm afraid the octo-core isn't isn't gonna be much faster since its clock speed is only 300mhz higher than the Snapdragon 410.
So Idol 3 5.5" owners, are you satisfied with the 8 core processor? Is there any noticeable framerate drop or stuttering switching between apps, and if so, which apps stutter the worst?

theHuntronTracker said:
I bought the Idol 3 4.7" because I wanted the smaller form factor, but I returned it because the Snapdragon 410 is just not strong enough for me. Multi-tasking between even basic apps like email and calendar would stutter and drop framerate and that's kind of a dealbreaker for me.
I'm thinking about trying the 5.5" but I'm afraid the octo-core isn't isn't gonna be much faster since its clock speed is only 300mhz higher than the Snapdragon 410.
So Idol 3 5.5" owners, are you satisfied with the 8 core processor? Is there any noticeable framerate drop or stuttering switching between apps, and if so, which apps stutter the worst?
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My experience (own 4 idol 3s - each given to different family members and I once in a while "test" them out) if you are going to have low/moderate apps and background noise then is fine and smooth. If your going to load that thing up (like me) you will see micro lags.

theHuntronTracker said:
I bought the Idol 3 4.7" because I wanted the smaller form factor, but I returned it because the Snapdragon 410 is just not strong enough for me. Multi-tasking between even basic apps like email and calendar would stutter and drop framerate and that's kind of a dealbreaker for me.
I'm thinking about trying the 5.5" but I'm afraid the octo-core isn't isn't gonna be much faster since its clock speed is only 300mhz higher than the Snapdragon 410.
So Idol 3 5.5" owners, are you satisfied with the 8 core processor? Is there any noticeable framerate drop or stuttering switching between apps, and if so, which apps stutter the worst?
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My experience (own 4 idol 3s - each given to different family members and I once in a while "test" them out) if you are going to have low/moderate apps and background noise then is fine and smooth. If your going to load that thing up (like me) you will see micro lags.
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Hopefully once we have some custom rom's or more importantly some custom kernels we will be able to adjust the speed up to the rated 1.7ghz and try some schedulers/io schedulers we don't have now so performance will pick up some.

famewolf said:
Hopefully once we have some custom rom's or more importantly some custom kernels we will be able to adjust the speed up to the rated 1.7ghz and try some schedulers/io schedulers we don't have now so performance will pick up some.
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After the last update I haven't anything but positive things about the 5.5's performance. So in total two updates now.

gideonMorrison said:
After the last update I haven't anything but positive things about the 5.5's performance. So in total two updates now.
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Update UD71 10 06 fixed the sluggishness of the phone (before that I was on the brink of selling it)
It went from 5/10 to 8/10 in my personal rating and would suggest the phone.
I had a s6 edge and I'd say the speed difference between the two was negligible and the Samsung is 3x more expensive

The speed of the cores is not the issue, its the weak GPU that makes it lag. Navigation around the UI is tolerable but trying to game on anything but casual titles has frame drops. I kept my i3 over Zen 2 for the simple fact the speakers blow anything out of the water and it does everything else "competently".

I'm pretty much satisfied with the Snapdragon 615, coming from a chinese phone with 1 GB RAM and an MT6582 chip (also from a Nexus 7 2012). I find everything extremely smooth.
I haven't rooted it yet, No TWRP recovery, I just have whatsapp and telegram installed, for everything else I use Chrome. Games are pretty smooth to me, even the DS Emulator.
What I find lackluster is camera performance, too much noise even on good light conditions. Maybe it's the stock camera's fault.

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I'm pretty much satisfied with the Snapdragon 615, coming from a chinese phone with 1 GB RAM and an MT6582 chip (also from a Nexus 7 2012). I find everything extremely smooth.
I haven't rooted it yet, No TWRP recovery, I just have whatsapp and telegram installed, for everything else I use Chrome. Games are pretty smooth to me, even the DS Emulator.
What I find lackluster is camera performance, too much noise even on good light conditions. Maybe it's the stock camera's fault.
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What are your camera settings? Performance should be fine at ISO 100-200

Performance UPDATE 9/28/15
As of today, Alcatel has released a new performance update for the Idol 3. Overall performance has improved. More info here: http://www.androidcentral.com/alcatel-pushes-update-55-inch-idol-3-performance-fixes-and-more

More GPU power

I wish this device had a better GPU. More likely a custom Mali T880 MP8 or MP12. This phone is what Huawei calls their flagship phone. Only GPU has let it down. Mali T880 MP4 can't just handle everything so smoothly in full HD.

they are slowly getting better

What we need is proper kernel sources so there can be a custom kernel built with GPU improvements, governors and overclock. I just wont count on that any time soon for this phone..

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What we need is proper kernel sources so there can be a custom kernel built with GPU improvements, governors and overclock. I just wont count on that any time soon for this phone..
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Overclocking just doesn't help much. All the GPU power is needed for gaming. Overclocking causes heating which throttles down CPU freqs. And over clocking really doesn't help much other than first 10-15 minutes.
My suggestion was just that they should have added more GPU clusters. This GPU is found in low budget devices.

Alok Bajaj said:
Overclocking just doesn't help much. All the GPU power is needed for gaming. Overclocking causes heating which throttles down CPU freqs. And over clocking really doesn't help much other than first 10-15 minutes.
My suggestion was just that they should have added more GPU clusters. This GPU is found in low budget devices.
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Sorry, but for real gaming get a PC and even there U could use a Emulator for Android games

i actually disagree with this. this mali quad cluster is on par, if not better than adreno 510 found in what is pretty much considered the best bang for the buck cpu out there, snap 650/2. not only is 650 a upper midrange/flasghsip material SoC, it performs generally quite well and runs everything. kirin beats it's gpu, or at least matches it, and wipes the floor with it when it comes to cpu power. sure, gpu is not 530 or mali mp12, but then again we paid a midrange price and got a flagship phone. it's a compromise. despite that, it still runs everything ok so its an acceptable gpu. not rly sure you'd see a huge difference between this gpu and mp12 on s7 since one on s7 has to push double the pixels, so real difference should be 50ish% tops. most gpu benches run the screen @ 1080P and sure, in that case it beats our cluster, but that's not s7's native resolution is it.
in the end, imo its worth it since the entire package simply performs great. i've had my share of phones, and this lil monster simply kills it, even without a custom rom. its just that well optimized.

xontec said:
Sorry, but for real gaming get a PC and even there U could use a Emulator for Android games
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I have a PC and not all games work well with emulators. And it's completely a different experience. I can't put my pc in my pocket ?

sikica133 said:
i actually disagree with this. this mali quad cluster is on par, if not better than adreno 510 found in what is pretty much considered the best bang for the buck cpu out there, snap 650/2. not only is 650 a upper midrange/flasghsip material SoC, it performs generally quite well and runs everything. kirin beats it's gpu, or at least matches it, and wipes the floor with it when it comes to cpu power. sure, gpu is not 530 or mali mp12, but then again we paid a midrange price and got a flagship phone. it's a compromise. despite that, it still runs everything ok so its an acceptable gpu. not rly sure you'd see a huge difference between this gpu and mp12 on s7 since one on s7 has to push double the pixels, so real difference should be 50ish% tops. most gpu benches run the screen @ 1080P and sure, in that case it beats our cluster, but that's not s7's native resolution is it.
in the end, imo its worth it since the entire package simply performs great. i've had my share of phones, and this lil monster simply kills it, even without a custom rom. its just that well optimized.
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This is not a flagship GPU. Chinese phone generally offer more at this price. LeEco Le2 has this same GPU and costs ~⅓ of this phone's price. Xiaomi MI5 has an adreno 530 and it costs lesser than this phone. I would say a custom MP8 MALI GPU could have taken this phone to a different class. And yeah benchmark scores doesn't make any sense to me. They have just show some score based on 2 mins of testing. We can't conclude real life use with benchmark scores

xiaomi / letv phones might offer better specs for price, in china or india. there are some major issues when buying those, especially for ppl in europe/US. chinese brands are hard to come by, and even if you buy them for cheap/order from china you're pretty much stuck with a phone and no warranty. shipping to china is usually not worth considering the price. if you actually find a retailer that will sell lets say mi5 and provide a 2yr warranty, phone tends to cost a lot more than honor, at least thats the case where I'm at (EU). not to mention you can get honor8 for cheap when signing a contract. good luck doing that with chinese brands.
this is not a rant about chinese brands (myb rant bout xiaomi cause their open source policy is crap), i still use my rn3p and its been mostly satisfying esp. with CM13. however its been less then a year and it already started behaving badly. quality & control simply isnt on par. it was cheap sure, but it dies fast too, and there is no way for me to repair it. it is what it is, a compromise. cheap and you risk it, lil more expensive, but at least you're safe.
oh and in regards to mi5, unless you buy that premium version, phone is actually quite disappointing. build quality is meh, performance might be decent, but miui8 performs worse than EMUI so day to day usage is kinda pain. wish they did smth with that crapware os they ship. debloating is first step

I agree to what you say, but I won't include Mali T880 MP4 to a flagship hardware.

well you could say it's not flagship compared to the likes of snap820/1 / exynos, but it's the best huawei has to offer. for 1080p its acceptable. people that dont game really wont be able to tell a difference, for rest it just works. if you really look at kirin SoC's, even the gpu in 960 isnt top of the line. sure it kinda manages to narrow the gap with mentioned SoC's, but new ones are around the corner and kirin will again be worse in gpu department. this is standard for huawei honestly. same goes for mtk tho, yet mtk is widely popular (sure cheap price is the main reason) despite pretty crappy gpu. goes to show most ppl dont really need that top of the line gpu on board.
if hauwei was smart, they could've simply avoided this issue by releasing complete source. well built custom rom would be smth that most enthusiast would prefer over maxed out gpu. guess this wont happen tho xD

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well you could say it's not flagship compared to the likes of snap820/1 / exynos, but it's the best huawei has to offer. for 1080p its acceptable. people that dont game really wont be able to tell a difference, for rest it just works. if you really look at kirin SoC's, even the gpu in 960 isnt top of the line. sure it kinda manages to narrow the gap with mentioned SoC's, but new ones are around the corner and kirin will again be worse in gpu department. this is standard for huawei honestly. same goes for mtk tho, yet mtk is widely popular (sure cheap price is the main reason) despite pretty crappy gpu. goes to show most ppl dont really need that top of the line gpu on board.
if hauwei was smart, they could've simply avoided this issue by releasing complete source. well built custom rom would be smth that most enthusiast would prefer over maxed out gpu. guess this wont happen tho xD
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Well Kirin 960 has a very good GPU. Far better than this one. But again it has only 8 clusters which is good as of now. The new smartphones which will be using Mali G71 will have 16 clusters I guess. Cause that GPU can be configured upto 32 clusters. And Mali G71 MP8 isn't bad at all. It's really powerful and it can keep most demanding games run smoothly more than a year or two. But Mali T880 MP4 can't, only vulkan can help a bit. And I heard vulkan is kinda outdated/broken here in Nougat update. That's a bad news.

Alok Bajaj said:
I wish this device had a better GPU. More likely a custom Mali T880 MP8 or MP12. This phone is what Huawei calls their flagship phone. Only GPU has let it down. Mali T880 MP4 can't just handle everything so smoothly in full HD.
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Let get this correct Huawei don't call this their flagship phone.
This is Honor flagship phone, which is a separate brand Huawei has been pushing for a few years now..

Nyssa1104 said:
Let get this correct Huawei don't call this their flagship phone.
This is Honor flagship phone, which is a separate brand Huawei has been pushing for a few years now..
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Okay. Whatever the brand is this is what they call their flagship phone. But it lacks some GPU power. I'm experiencing a very bad GPU performance on this phone. I've to enable ROG mode if I'm to play mc5 smoothly. And powering a HD display even my three year old tablet with Adreno 320 does a better job.

well, kirin 955 = 950 when it comes to gpu performance, so gpu debate stands for now ex flagship p9 which has pretty much same specs as honor8.
as far as performance goes 320 is deffo worse than mali880. in 99% cases adreno 510 is better than 320, so 880mp4 should be too. im guessing either bad optimizations from huawei or devs are the culprit.

Alok Bajaj said:
I have a PC and not all games work well with emulators. And it's completely a different experience. I can't put my pc in my pocket ?
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You can get a nividia shield cloned app and you can even Play gta5 on your Phone dont know whats your Problem. if you have LTE you can Stream every game to your Phone. By the way the real feeling of gaming is only on the PC

Sorry for being redundant, but this is not Huawei's flagship phone, it's a budget phone. If you want their flagship get the Mate 9. Or maybe the upcoming Honor V9. The 'Honor' brand to me is a (budget) offshoot similar to Oppo to OnePlus. It makes sense for them to use a word in their brand name that western people are actually able to pronounce.
If would help if EMUI5 has the 720p mode working, but currently it doesn't. I'm afraid to use Android ADB command to force it, because it most likely won't look correctly and sometimes soft brick phones that isn't running stock Android, which is a pain to setup the phone from scratch.

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You can nividia shield get a Clone app and you can even Play gta5 on your Phone dont know whats your Problem than if you have LTE you can Stream every game to your Phone. By the way the real feeling of gaming is only in the PC
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Nvidia shield isn't a phone ? I'd buy it if it's a phone.

Alok Bajaj said:
Nvidia shield isn't a phone ? I'd buy it if it's a phone.
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Yeah but you can get a App that simulates nividia shield on your phone sorry maybe i expressed myself wrong
So you can play on your phone like on shield
Oh it was weired english i edited the post sorry.
It was to early in the morning

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Yeah but you can get a App that simulates nividia shield on your phone sorry maybe i expressed myself wrong
So you can play on your phone like on shield
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There's something called liquid sky. But then I'll have sell my house paying the internet bills.

Moto G3 to Moto X Style... Battery WTF !

Ok I just two days ago buy a brand new Moto X Style, my beloved MotoG3 who was root and run with Tesla rom + FireKernel who have a smaller and older battery is consumed so less battery ! It's just insane.
Moto X Style is heating battery like nothing.
I usually wait at least 2 month to be sure the phone I buy don't have trouble, but right now I just want to unlock it and install a real rom....
What do you think ?!

@Vink67 from what I've heard stock moto ROM offers better battery life than any custom.

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@Vink67 from what I've heard stock moto ROM offers better battery life than any custom.
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But I don't understand, battery gone like crazy !! Why ?!

Vink67 said:
But I don't understand, battery gone like crazy !! Why ?!
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Thanks to the QuadHD 5.7" display and 64bit processor. Moto X style do have a mediocre battery. But the TurboPower charger makes up for it.
Apart from battery, am sure you gonna love this phone.

I have a Moto G3 was well, it is very efficient with battery life. You do have to think though, you are going from a Snapdragon 410 to an 808 with a larger, higher resolution display.
The 808 has 6 cores instead of 4 and a much more powerful GPU. The 808 is also the big.LITTLE configuration. So you have 4 low power A53 cores and 2 powerful (battery consuming) A57 cores. The difference in power between the two chipsets is immense.

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I have a Moto G3 was well, it is very efficient with battery life. You do have to think though, you are going from a Snapdragon 410 to an 808 with a larger, higher resolution display.
The 808 has 6 cores instead of 4 and a much more powerful GPU. The 808 is also the big.LITTLE configuration. So you have 4 low power A53 cores and 2 powerful (battery consuming) A57 cores. The difference in power between the two chipsets is immense.
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Have you trying custom ROM ?
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I have used CM (then LineageOS), and AICP. They can offer some improvements in battery, but I am holding out for official Nougat. I don't find any of the custom ROMs to be as fluid and smooth as stock, so that is what I am using.

quakeaz said:
I have used CM (then LineageOS), and AICP. They can offer some improvements in battery, but I am holding out for official Nougat. I don't find any of the custom ROMs to be as fluid and smooth as stock, so that is what I am using.
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Ok thx

I went from a Moto G 2015 to a Moto X Pure (North American version of Style) and that is my only real complaint... the battery life easily cut in half or more. Although some of the reasons for it are listed in previous posts, one is missing, the SD808 SOC's radio is a battery hog especially when signal is not optimal, a mediocre connection will kill your battery especially if you actually make or receive calls, but if you have great signal then it sips battery very efficiently.
The main battery drainers are the 5.7 QHD Super LCD display (this display panel is incredibly inefficient, but beautiful), the SD808's radio, the SD808's architecture (2+4 big.LITTLE setup in this chipset is much less efficient than anticipated, probably why the configuration was dropped), and the poor battery size choice (it should have been 20-33% larger) makes this device seem like a terrible "upgrade" to the Moto G, battery-wise at least, and in that regard it is correct.
But the very things that draw battery are it's strengths... the display is gorgeous, it can be seen clearly in full daylight and is incredibly vibrant and sharp, and side-by-side to the Moto G 2015 it makes it's little brother's display look like an old 20" tube TV vs a 55" 4k UltraHD display. The SOC may not be very battery friendly, but it is much more powerful and it's reception is excellent, even with poor signal it will hold service well, at the cost of battery life (note that Moto did NOT implement Jio VoLTE in this device, and will not, a significant letdown since it is working on similar Moto devices of that generation), and the QuickCharge 2.0 will refill the battery very quickly, around 75-90% in an hour if necessary.
It's kind of like comparing a Chevy Cruze to a Corvette, one is simple, reliable, and very fuel friendly, the other is a performance machine which sucks gas like nobodies business... but they are for different purposes entirely.
As far as custom ROMs go, I have not found one that gives better than near equal to stock... After trying a dozen or so ROMs and kernels, I went back to pure, unrooted, stock and haven't looked back in a few months. It isn't ideal, but until I can get a better all around device it will have to do.

It's been 3 days now I test SlimRom 6.0.1 Build 2 Stable version, the official release on SlimRom.org, not the beta one from a developer in XDA.
And I would say for now it's been pretty good, and better than original ROM.
More battery friendly.
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