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Battery issue and possible replacement?

Short version: I'm looking at getting a Galaxy Tab 10.1 on Verizon which has a battery issue. According to the current owner, the battery only holds a 20% charge. My question is twofold. One, is there any chance this is a software or battery calibration problem that is fixable? The GT 10.1 seems a bit young for the battery to actually have worn down to that point.
Two, assuming it's not fixable, does anyone here have experience with replacing the battery? I've looked over the teardowns, and seen the type of battery pack it uses, but I haven't seen direct replacements available on eBay.

It's still under warranttee, why not have Samsung fix it?

Agree with Tabguy. Verizon version of the 10.1 tab is young in the tooth so I would think that if there was an issue with the device hardware wise the warranty would cover that. That the owner is selling it despite this is concerning IMO. If it were me selling it I'd at least go through the effort of having it serviced under warranty so as to not pass the problem on to someone who wouldn't be able to fix it. Perhaps they are a 2nd owner though.
From what I know, the Verizon version of the tab also hasn't had any custom ROMs that would have messed with the battery requiring calibration. I own one of these tabs and have flashed a few things including AOKP builds with no impacts to battery calibration. So unless the owner flashed something that us other Verizon owners haven't it's unlikely a calibration issue.
Just a heads up that the Verizon version differs on ROM support so right now you're stuck on Honeycomb 3.2 at best if you need LTE data until the ICS build is released by Samsung/Verizon or a developer develops the LTE modem support for the ICS builds floating around. If you don't need LTE data right now you're better off getting a wifi tab and passing on this one.

They may well be the second owner, I'm not sure. It's disappointing that the warranty doesn't follow the tab. But still, if it is fixable it'd be a great deal.

AdamaDBrown said:
They may well be the second owner, I'm not sure. It's disappointing that the warranty doesn't follow the tab. But still, if it is fixable it'd be a great deal.
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definitely is fixable...i opened mine up and its just removing some screws and a cable and popping the new one in...now just to find a battery
EDIT: FOUND IT FOR YOU! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-SP...701630?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item2eba3799be

Gotta love this forum!

Indeed. Now sounds like an opportunity for him to grab a tab on the cheap and repair the battery himself. I'd lowball the price and see if the owner takes it.

Okay, so I got my hands on this thing. I haven't extensively tested it's battery capacity yet, but that's mostly because it came without the Samsung charger, just the standard USB cable. Without the Samsung 2 amp USB charger, even charging off a 1 amp supply it's nearly impossible to charge the thing. I left it plugged in for 24 hours and it's still only up around 75%. Which actually makes me wonder if that was the previous owner's problem, that they were charging it off a low current source which wasn't able to really supply the battery.
Either way, I need a 2 amp USB power supply. Does anyone happen to know if a generic one will do just as well, or is the Samsung charger wired specially for the GTab?

Sooo.... it's looking more and more like the former owner of this thing was simply a moron. And I'm not saying that just because he didn't even bother to delete his GMail account, password, and browser history of black porn and online gambling before selling the tablet to me.
Connected to a low-amperage charger, it managed to trickle-charge up to 98% before I unplugged it and started playing. That was a little over two hours ago, and two hours of solid use on Verizon 3G later, it's declining at a steady 10% per hour. So absent anything else ridiculous happening, I'm pretty much ready to call this a case of PEBKAC.

AdamaDBrown said:
Either way, I need a 2 amp USB power supply. Does anyone happen to know if a generic one will do just as well, or is the Samsung charger wired specially for the GTab?
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Before buying a second original Samsung 2A charger on occasion I have used a friend's "generic" 2A charger while away from home (the stock one is behind furniture and connected to the Samsungh desktop dock and was too much hassle to get), so a "generic" 2A one will do but seeing as it's not that easy to find good 2A ones and seeing that the Samsung original one is cheap enough I would simply buy an original charger (which IIRC also comes with a USB cable which may come handy).
(Availabilities and prices refer to Italy, the situation may of course be different where you live)
Sooo.... it's looking more and more like the former owner of this thing was simply a moron. And I'm not saying that just because he didn't even bother to delete his GMail account, password, and browser history of black porn and online gambling before selling the tablet to me.
Connected to a low-amperage charger, it managed to trickle-charge up to 98% before I unplugged it and started playing. That was a little over two hours ago, and two hours of solid use on Verizon 3G later, it's declining at a steady 10% per hour. So absent anything else ridiculous happening, I'm pretty much ready to call this a case of PEBKAC.
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LOL!!
Well, it does look like you have been very lucky..

AdamaDBrown said:
Sooo.... it's looking more and more like the former owner of this thing was simply a moron. And I'm not saying that just because he didn't even bother to delete his GMail account, password, and browser history of black porn and online gambling before selling the tablet to me.
Connected to a low-amperage charger, it managed to trickle-charge up to 98% before I unplugged it and started playing. That was a little over two hours ago, and two hours of solid use on Verizon 3G later, it's declining at a steady 10% per hour. So absent anything else ridiculous happening, I'm pretty much ready to call this a case of PEBKAC.
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LOL, nice
how much did you pay for this "broken" tablet ?

Life expectancy?

How long can one expect a device such as the note 3 to last. Let's say the device in question never is dropped or mishandled. Now with heavy use on a daily basis would you expect all internals and externals to perform flawless for 5+ years. What would the max be. Looking for answers from people who know not guessing please. I'm just curious as many probably are as well. Thank you for all the views and responses.
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I am not sure. I am on my second note 3 now since they seen to have an use with the sandisk ultra micro sd card. The phone cooked itself while charging. I can't speak to the actual internals, qa process in the factory and expected life expectancy resulting from those either being robust our weak.

matsuyamakaze said:
How long can one expect a device such as the note 3 to last. Let's say the device in question never is dropped or mishandled. Now with heavy use on a daily basis would you expect all internals and externals to perform flawless for 5+ years. What would the max be. Looking for answers from people who know not guessing please. I'm just curious as many probably are as well. Thank you for all the views and responses.
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I would not expect this device to last 5 years. I've used this device heavily - every day - for almost a year now. So far the plastic chrome overlay around the outside has cracked near the volume button - and it was not dropped and it was in a case yet the plastic chrome cracked. I used superglue to patch that crack. Apparently, the silver plastic chrome cracking is not abnormal - especially near the S-Pen (though I never use mine so it didn't happen for me there). I've sat on my phone in bed once (I usually carry it in my back jeans pocket) and it showed no signs of problems - I'm a 5'11 220 pound male so I'm not small. The screen is holding up VERY well - no obvious scratches even though now I go case free (and have for months now).
Of all the phones I use (HTC MyTouch, Motorola Droid 1, HTC Thunderbolt, iPhone 4s, iPhone 5, Note 3) - I give the Note 3 very high ratings for durability. It is extremely light - and the big screen allows me to do what I want without hinderance.
Will it last 5 years? I doubt it mostly because of software reasons (most Android phones stop getting updates around 5 years out). Will it last 2 years? I'm betting on it - not planning to upgrade till 2016. Happily running Alliance Rom Build 1 - impatiently waiting for Build 2.
I'm running an Anker (stock sized) battery from Amazon - and for the price - will get a new one next year to keep the thing "fresh"

Thanks for the responses so far. Very good posts. I have had mine half a year it's still in mint condition. I use a neo hybrid case with no screen protector use to use one but I take care of my devices. If I was a dropper I'd have a glass screen protector and otter case lol. I was running alliance now trying jasmine 2.4 waiting super impatiently for a port of the note 4. Yes my last device Droid 4 lasted 3 or 4 years then it went haywire. Hoping my phone lasts awhile interested to see what the note line has to offer for the next few years to come.
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matsuyamakaze said:
How long can one expect a device such as the note 3 to last. Let's say the device in question never is dropped or mishandled. Now with heavy use on a daily basis would you expect all internals and externals to perform flawless for 5+ years. What would the max be. Looking for answers from people who know not guessing please. I'm just curious as many probably are as well. Thank you for all the views and responses.
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No one "knows" relative to the Note3, it's only been out a year!
However....it is just another electronic product. It appears well built, depending on how often it's charged....over 5 years you may need one or two new batteries but they're user-replaceable.
AMOLED displays should last 8 to 10 years and flash memory should last for about 200,000 write operations.
In other words....it should easily last 8 to 10 years....the "life" of its least reliable, non-user replaceable component.
That presumes the cellular service providers still support the current protocols.
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Mine's less than a year old and it just died. Picked up to use it and it's dead. Can't wake it up and it only sits there and gets hot while charging. I baby all of my stuff-this sucks. Only communication I have.
Rich

dorpmuller said:
Mine's less than a year old and it just died. Picked up to use it and it's dead. Can't wake it up and it only sits there and gets hot while charging. I baby all of my stuff-this sucks. Only communication I have.
Rich
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I'd say you have a dead (shorted) battery. Pull the battery and plug into charger....will it start now? If nothing else...unless you got it the day it came out, it should still be under warranty.
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Wasn't the battery. Got it replaced by Verizon. Something seriously went wrong with the device. All good now!
Rich
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dorpmuller said:
Mine's less than a year old and it just died. Picked up to use it and it's dead. Can't wake it up and it only sits there and gets hot while charging. I baby all of my stuff-this sucks. Only communication I have.
Rich
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Read through at your own risk.
Pmfji, but I have had a similar experience. Set up my Note 3 to charge one night, went to sleep, woke up and I could fry a virtual egg on it. The temp was some ridiculous number I can't recall. Totally freaked, thought the thing might explode. Mind went into overload, gotta figure this out, before it burns out!
Kept repeating the mantra, "this is just a computer", over and over. In a former life I used to be a 'Wintel' power user or so I used to think.
Racing through all the possible scenarios, what could be the issue? I checked my tools, not only was the temp outrageous, but the CPU frequency was through the roof as well! Noting the super high temp over a long period—a few HOURS; finally, I thought to pull the battery.
For those who know, not an easy effort given a Zerolemon case (think Outterbox) and humongous, heavy battery amidst visions of seared flesh! ?
Battery out, I could think more clearly. Letting the thing sit and cool for a half hour or so. I sat hoping, whatever the issue, the battery pull killed it. While I struggled to put my foggy brain into overdrive. Not the way to start the day, before breakfast and before my first cup of coffee! Imagine, wake up, grab the phone, cut the alarm, then ? wtf!
Thinking on it, I figured it had to be a problem with some very recent software installed on my—Rooted, Xposed, and otherwise stock Note 3. Could it be one of the Xposed modules??
I had, a couple of days before, after a short stint with 3c's "Battery Manager", swaped it for 3c's "Toolbox Pro" (which among MANY, MANY, MANY tools includes the Battery Manager Pro).
Daunting, comprehensive apps both, of which my primary focus was, at the time, facilitating the Battery Manager so it would provide relatively useful and accurate readings of the Zerolemon's 10,000 mAh battery level at any given time. An effort which was driving this tinkerer absolutely batty! ???
So, after several courses of, pull the battery, think a little, place the battery, watch, feel the temps rise, and pull the battery, the damned thing just would not stop! Finally, I used Toolbox Pro's "CPU Manager" and "Task Manager" to determine which app was monopolizing the CPU percentage use/time; and, concurrently causing the insane CPU frequency, and ultimately frying my phone. Needless to say, the device was not only super hot, but irritatingly sluggish which made this a tediously slow process.
Anyway, culprit found,Titanium Backup and that app was history. Actually, that may have been my first use of Toolbox Pro's "App Manager". One or the other….
Which app was it? Unfortunately, I do not recall, maybe a record is in the logs. How high did the temps go? Again, can't recall, I can vouch it was higher than any temp I had experienced on a Note or any computing device. How's my Note 3? Well it was, well—fine! Showed no consequences, nothing.
That is til I screwed the sound/volume (Wanam and another Xposed module poorly coincide when both utilize the volume button to trigger different functions), but that's another story.
For the record, I am on my FOURTH Note 3!! My present and last Note 3 is suffering the same sound/volume issue, a tinkerer's fortune. Though my first ROM flash should correct that issue.
Hmmm, now how do I flash?? Odin (isn't that a Norse g_d?), TWERP (isn't that some sort of butt humping??), SafeStrap (isn't that a sexual device hung from a ceiling beam??), duhhhh another confused newb….
Thanks to anyone bothering to read through the above.

You said it yourself you left it on the charger all night and woke up and it was hot. You can't leave a phone on a charger all night sleep for 8 plus hours that would fry it and it would be hot overcharging is really bad.
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matsuyamakaze said:
You said it yourself you left it on the charger all night and woke up and it was hot. You can't leave a phone on a charger all night sleep for 8 plus hours that would fry it and it would be hot overcharging is really bad.
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I leave my phone plugged up overnight, every night. I have had a replacement phone because the proximity sensor failed, but I've had this one for ~6 months and it's never overheated or done anything like above. Battery life is still great.

+1. Never had a problem with any device charging overnight, be it phone, tablet or laptop.

I leave my Note 3 plugged up All Night, EVERY Night. Anywhere from 5-12hrs depending on the day of the week & how many beers I drank the night before. I've NEVER had anything close to that happening. I do have a Great Battery app, Battery Doctor but I don't think it would stop that from happening if it happens so easily/frequently by charging them to long.as you suggest. There was definitely something funky going on with this guys Note 3. My Note 3 got REALLY Hot one time, while I was at work & it was Off the charge. I actually got a System Temperature Notification that it was over heating. I clicked on my Battery app & it had already found the culprit. I had turned Off Google+ Auto Backup Pic/Vids feature about 2 months prior to this. That morning when I got to work I turned it back on. Google+ started backing everything up at one time, >10gb. & started to Heat it up. The app now will Not backup everything at once unless you click the backup at once option. That was fixed in one of its updates.

Stay with Note 4 or switch to iPhone 6s Plus?

Hey guys! So I have a hard decision to make now.
Quick Story:
I bought iPhone 6 Plus in December last year. I had quite enough saved money to afford it.
Before iPhone I had Note 3 but I had to sell it because it barely worked anymore. Battery life was terrible, I couldn't use my phones camera cause it always crashed(force closed) on all roms I flashed, except for Stock Samsung roms.
I spent 5-6 months with my IPhone but I missed the features that Note 3 had + Specs! Come on guys! Octa-core, 16MP camera, 4K recording, S-Pen, ANDROID 5.0! Pretty much all I needed. So I traded my IPhone for Note 4 that someone used for a month.
Problems started after 2 months. At this point I can't take photos(they don't save, even on stock samsung rom), charging is terrible, takes 2 hours to charge it and then battery goes down after like 40-60 minutes of use(even after buying new battery), like a week ago I discovered that I can't even charge my phone anymore! Every time I plug my phone in (no matter if it's computers USB or it's original charger) It just doesn't charge. I found way to charge it though, and all I have to do is to charge it when the phone is turned off. Magically battery charges within around an hour, and I can use my phone for up to 3-4 hours.
Why aren't You going to take it to Samsung Service Center? Well. I took my Note 3 there, and all they did is that they cleaned battery pins and yeah, that's it.
One positive word to IPhone haters! My IPhone had a broken call speaker after like 3 weeks of use, but then I took it to Apple Genius Bar and got it fixed within 15-20 minutes.
So help me guys! Should I sell my Note 4 for some "acceptable" money and buy IPhone 6s Plus in a couple of months, or.. Any ideas?

I am personally switching too, maybe I need a break from Android after 8 years of regular usage. I've too had the 6s Plus and I really loved it but I let it go for the Note 4 just like you coz, damn it looked impressive but just in few months my eyes opened Switch to CM ROM's and heck, I love my Note 4 but guess it's time to keep at as a backup device! Happily switching to the 6s Plus next month, it's a power-horse and does everything I need it to and damn, it's a phone which works like a phone and that's all I need and want it to do!
P.S don't hit me for this people, I need simplicity in life for some time, might return after 2-3 years, who knows.

I see no reason other than wanting to play games that are not on Android, but at some point all will come sooner or later

Do you always let ppl make your choices?

Stay on android
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S7 edge same battery defect as Note 7?

I noticed that there have now been reports of the S7 and S7 edge exploding in the same way the note 7 has even giving a guy 3rd degree burns. This got me thinking about the two s7 edges I've had and the quality control issues that may be plaguing our devices as well. My first s7 edge had great battery life, 6 hrs+ SOT, and ran cool all day. I then returned it because a better promo came out within 14 days of my purchase and got a new one. The new one has never made it past 3.5 hrs of SOT and runs hot all the time. This is with the exact same apps installed, the same settings, and initially the same firmware. I've tried running 100% stock, FDR's, freezing apps, rooting, and tweaking just about everything with little to no success which makes me wonder if this is a hardware related issue with the battery. Maybe this explains how some people are getting 8 hrs of SOT while others cant make it past 3. It's a definite possibility in my mind that we have the same or similar manufacturing defect in the s7 edge as the note 7.
http://www.sammobile.com/2016/09/11/samsung-sued-over-exploding-galaxy-s7-edge/

I've never gotten anywhere near that much screen on time. Mine's more in the 3 hours range maximum. If the screen is off, my battery seems to decently, but I've never seen the crazy high numbers that many others have.

My SOT is rather high, but I only experienced battery issues after rooting the first time with the 935V kernel. After moving to 935U, I went back to VERY cool CPU & Batteries, and better SOT.

Hot S7
Try turning off all of the Amazon crap if you don't use it. They tend to use up a lot of battery time when they are running in the back ground, and by default they are installed and set to run always. That might help a little bit.

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I noticed that there have now been reports of the S7 and S7 edge exploding in the same way the note 7 ...
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Google any device and you'll find cases of a few burning. That's just the state of LiPo technology at the moment.
The Note 7 has had upwards of 30 cases in a very short period of time, and a known quality issue from a particular manufacturing partner. What you'll find with the S7/S7E is nothing near that severe, and on par with contemporary devices like the iPhone 6/6s.

Update: I called Samsung and I'm not even kidding here's how the first part of the conversation went:
Me: Hi I have a galaxy s7 edge and I'm a little concerned because it is draining quickly and the phone runs very warm and sometimes hot.
Agent: That is not good! Are you hurt?
Me: No I'm okay
Agent: Thank god! Please power the phone down and send it to us. We will fix it or send you a replacement within 5-7 days. What is your imei number and email address?
I got an email within 5 min with a return authorization and then called verizon because I don't want to be without a phone for 5 days. I told them the story and they are sending me a replacement and I just have to send the old phone in. Either Samsung is being super cautious or they know there might be an issue with our phones as well. Either way I'm looking forward to seeing if the replacement is any better. I saw that a couple of people have reported getting referb phones that run cooler/better.

CafeKampuchia said:
Google any device and you'll find cases of a few burning. That's just the state of LiPo technology at the moment.
The Note 7 has had upwards of 30 cases in a very short period of time, and a known quality issue from a particular manufacturing partner. What you'll find with the S7/S7E is nothing near that severe, and on par with contemporary devices like the iPhone 6/6s.
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i believe theyre over 90 now lol.. i doubt theres a defect in the S7/S7E, ppl are just wary now after the N7 recall even though unless you do anything crazy theresasmaller chance of it atually exploding..
i actually take my phone off the charger for a few mins if i feel it burning up lol

My phone has been doing this. Getting super hot and the battery goes from 100% to 0 in 2-3 hours. I'm gonna call them
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If I remember correctly they had a factory issue and had to outsource like 10% of the note7 batteries to a different company. They didn't do that with the s7e to my knowledge so if there is an issue it's probably not related to the note7 issue.
I had this issue earlier this week.....phone wouldn't even last a normal 9 hour shift at work and I was down to under 15% by my lunch break. Lost my mind going back to stock and reflashed stang Rom 3 times...the third time I forgot to install greenify and the problem was solved. Reinstalled greenify and my battery drained like it was a countdown clock. Went back stock, reflashed and didn't bother with greenify, just rolling with forcedoze and have 0 issues. Currently at 32% and I've been off the charger for close to 12hours and even had to use my flahsight for a solid 10minutes

My original Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge ended up literally melting all USB cables and chargers that I plugged into it. This was roughly after 4 months of owning the device, it always got really hot while charging, but one day it started smelling like burning plastic. I successfully got a warranty replacement on that device, my current S7 Edge still gets hot after charging, but nowhere near the original device.
I would venture to assume that 'fast-charging' is the culprit behind overheating, as you are pushing 2 Amps to the battery (compared to your usual 700mAh - 1 Amp standard USB charger).
As the Doctor stated -- you will always have SOME defects in a very small percentage of devices. As the S7 Edge has been out longer, I would say we are okay

Looking for new note 4 or note edge - some advice please, my current phone is fuxored

I have been on the Note 4 since it came out. It is fantastic. I am on at&t and have the 910a version.
The Marshmallow update killed my phone for the most part. It locks up every day where i need to pull the battery to reset.
It is slow and laggy. My Music stops for no reason now.
Honestly I wanted a note 7. With all the issues and now the official recall, I still would be inclined to get a note 7 but more trouble than it's worth.
Not going to note 5 (no sd storage) and this is 100% important to me. I have a 256GB card with all my music, emulator roms and phics and such on. No way to go to a note 5.
So I was thinking of buying a new note 4. Starting fresh. Just importing my contacts, call log and texts from my old phone and my apps and settings of course.
I was thinking 2 years later $300 for a new Note edge is pretty nice, considering I went note 4 over the edge becuase of the $200 price difference. I couldn't afford $1G to the $800 the note 4 was when I bought it.
Should I go note edge or just get a new note 4? And if I get a new note 4 should i buy the at&t version again and hope that marshmallow update on a fresh new phone won't be that bad. Or is there a better variant I can buy for at&t? I looked up the 910T (tmobile) then I saw there is a 910U 910C 910ect... I want my LTE to work and I understand some variants are just no good on at&t. Is the 910A the best bet or is there a better variant that will be a better phone (due to different processor) and still run as good as the 910a variant?
Thanks!!
Advice today before midnight would be great as I wouldn't mind getting 10% ebay bucks on a new phone today. So a $300 note edge would only be $270 because I get 10% back in ebay bucks till midnight.

Before buying another note4, have you looked at this thread? http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/help/note-4-freezing-restarting-t3348821
If you're phone is suffering from the same issues as my phone (which is also messed up), you can make it usable again by following the top reply on this reddit post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/galaxynote4/comments/4dgef7/note_4_suddenly_slow/
For some reason, a lot of other Note 4 users started to have this problem last month. I have found a temp fix to stop it from freezing and restarting.
Step 1. Download Wake Lock from the Play Store
Step 2. Enable Partial_Wake_Lock (number 4)
Step 3. Enable Auto-Start for it to start when your phone boots
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I'm hesitant in recommending buying a new note4.. what if it has the same manufacturer's defect and it starts acting up?

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Before buying another note4, have you looked at this thread? http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/help/note-4-freezing-restarting-t3348821
If you're phone is suffering from the same issues as my phone (which is also messed up), you can make it usable again by following the top reply on this reddit post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/galaxynote4/comments/4dgef7/note_4_suddenly_slow/
I'm hesitant in recommending buying a new note4.. what if it has the same manufacturer's defect and it starts acting up?
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No that is not what my phone is doing.
it almost like it has a memory leak. It works fine for 10-15 hrs, but when i plug it in to go to bed at night it locks, sometimes even unplugged just sitting with the screen off for a few hours will do it too.. I can usually get the screen back on but all notifications are frozen, the alarm don't go off, i can usually hold the power button and get the menu to reboot / shutdown to come up, but when i push one of them the confirmation screen never allows me to click YES and reboot or shutdown. I have to pull the battery. SOMETIMES I get lucky and can just hold the powerbutton for 20 seconds and it will just reboot, but most of the time I cant. Pulling the battery is a huge deal for me becuase II have an otterbox defender on the phone and it is a HUGE PAIN to get off.

Mate, I would say install some other Note 4 rom using Odin and you'll be just fine. Just check sammobile or here on xda what's good for your N4 version.

I'd try reinstalling the stock OS back onto your device before you go hunting for a new motherboard.