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Life expectancy?

How long can one expect a device such as the note 3 to last. Let's say the device in question never is dropped or mishandled. Now with heavy use on a daily basis would you expect all internals and externals to perform flawless for 5+ years. What would the max be. Looking for answers from people who know not guessing please. I'm just curious as many probably are as well. Thank you for all the views and responses.
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I am not sure. I am on my second note 3 now since they seen to have an use with the sandisk ultra micro sd card. The phone cooked itself while charging. I can't speak to the actual internals, qa process in the factory and expected life expectancy resulting from those either being robust our weak.

matsuyamakaze said:
How long can one expect a device such as the note 3 to last. Let's say the device in question never is dropped or mishandled. Now with heavy use on a daily basis would you expect all internals and externals to perform flawless for 5+ years. What would the max be. Looking for answers from people who know not guessing please. I'm just curious as many probably are as well. Thank you for all the views and responses.
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I would not expect this device to last 5 years. I've used this device heavily - every day - for almost a year now. So far the plastic chrome overlay around the outside has cracked near the volume button - and it was not dropped and it was in a case yet the plastic chrome cracked. I used superglue to patch that crack. Apparently, the silver plastic chrome cracking is not abnormal - especially near the S-Pen (though I never use mine so it didn't happen for me there). I've sat on my phone in bed once (I usually carry it in my back jeans pocket) and it showed no signs of problems - I'm a 5'11 220 pound male so I'm not small. The screen is holding up VERY well - no obvious scratches even though now I go case free (and have for months now).
Of all the phones I use (HTC MyTouch, Motorola Droid 1, HTC Thunderbolt, iPhone 4s, iPhone 5, Note 3) - I give the Note 3 very high ratings for durability. It is extremely light - and the big screen allows me to do what I want without hinderance.
Will it last 5 years? I doubt it mostly because of software reasons (most Android phones stop getting updates around 5 years out). Will it last 2 years? I'm betting on it - not planning to upgrade till 2016. Happily running Alliance Rom Build 1 - impatiently waiting for Build 2.
I'm running an Anker (stock sized) battery from Amazon - and for the price - will get a new one next year to keep the thing "fresh"

Thanks for the responses so far. Very good posts. I have had mine half a year it's still in mint condition. I use a neo hybrid case with no screen protector use to use one but I take care of my devices. If I was a dropper I'd have a glass screen protector and otter case lol. I was running alliance now trying jasmine 2.4 waiting super impatiently for a port of the note 4. Yes my last device Droid 4 lasted 3 or 4 years then it went haywire. Hoping my phone lasts awhile interested to see what the note line has to offer for the next few years to come.
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matsuyamakaze said:
How long can one expect a device such as the note 3 to last. Let's say the device in question never is dropped or mishandled. Now with heavy use on a daily basis would you expect all internals and externals to perform flawless for 5+ years. What would the max be. Looking for answers from people who know not guessing please. I'm just curious as many probably are as well. Thank you for all the views and responses.
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No one "knows" relative to the Note3, it's only been out a year!
However....it is just another electronic product. It appears well built, depending on how often it's charged....over 5 years you may need one or two new batteries but they're user-replaceable.
AMOLED displays should last 8 to 10 years and flash memory should last for about 200,000 write operations.
In other words....it should easily last 8 to 10 years....the "life" of its least reliable, non-user replaceable component.
That presumes the cellular service providers still support the current protocols.
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Mine's less than a year old and it just died. Picked up to use it and it's dead. Can't wake it up and it only sits there and gets hot while charging. I baby all of my stuff-this sucks. Only communication I have.
Rich

dorpmuller said:
Mine's less than a year old and it just died. Picked up to use it and it's dead. Can't wake it up and it only sits there and gets hot while charging. I baby all of my stuff-this sucks. Only communication I have.
Rich
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I'd say you have a dead (shorted) battery. Pull the battery and plug into charger....will it start now? If nothing else...unless you got it the day it came out, it should still be under warranty.
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Wasn't the battery. Got it replaced by Verizon. Something seriously went wrong with the device. All good now!
Rich
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dorpmuller said:
Mine's less than a year old and it just died. Picked up to use it and it's dead. Can't wake it up and it only sits there and gets hot while charging. I baby all of my stuff-this sucks. Only communication I have.
Rich
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Read through at your own risk.
Pmfji, but I have had a similar experience. Set up my Note 3 to charge one night, went to sleep, woke up and I could fry a virtual egg on it. The temp was some ridiculous number I can't recall. Totally freaked, thought the thing might explode. Mind went into overload, gotta figure this out, before it burns out!
Kept repeating the mantra, "this is just a computer", over and over. In a former life I used to be a 'Wintel' power user or so I used to think.
Racing through all the possible scenarios, what could be the issue? I checked my tools, not only was the temp outrageous, but the CPU frequency was through the roof as well! Noting the super high temp over a long period—a few HOURS; finally, I thought to pull the battery.
For those who know, not an easy effort given a Zerolemon case (think Outterbox) and humongous, heavy battery amidst visions of seared flesh! ?
Battery out, I could think more clearly. Letting the thing sit and cool for a half hour or so. I sat hoping, whatever the issue, the battery pull killed it. While I struggled to put my foggy brain into overdrive. Not the way to start the day, before breakfast and before my first cup of coffee! Imagine, wake up, grab the phone, cut the alarm, then ? wtf!
Thinking on it, I figured it had to be a problem with some very recent software installed on my—Rooted, Xposed, and otherwise stock Note 3. Could it be one of the Xposed modules??
I had, a couple of days before, after a short stint with 3c's "Battery Manager", swaped it for 3c's "Toolbox Pro" (which among MANY, MANY, MANY tools includes the Battery Manager Pro).
Daunting, comprehensive apps both, of which my primary focus was, at the time, facilitating the Battery Manager so it would provide relatively useful and accurate readings of the Zerolemon's 10,000 mAh battery level at any given time. An effort which was driving this tinkerer absolutely batty! ???
So, after several courses of, pull the battery, think a little, place the battery, watch, feel the temps rise, and pull the battery, the damned thing just would not stop! Finally, I used Toolbox Pro's "CPU Manager" and "Task Manager" to determine which app was monopolizing the CPU percentage use/time; and, concurrently causing the insane CPU frequency, and ultimately frying my phone. Needless to say, the device was not only super hot, but irritatingly sluggish which made this a tediously slow process.
Anyway, culprit found,Titanium Backup and that app was history. Actually, that may have been my first use of Toolbox Pro's "App Manager". One or the other….
Which app was it? Unfortunately, I do not recall, maybe a record is in the logs. How high did the temps go? Again, can't recall, I can vouch it was higher than any temp I had experienced on a Note or any computing device. How's my Note 3? Well it was, well—fine! Showed no consequences, nothing.
That is til I screwed the sound/volume (Wanam and another Xposed module poorly coincide when both utilize the volume button to trigger different functions), but that's another story.
For the record, I am on my FOURTH Note 3!! My present and last Note 3 is suffering the same sound/volume issue, a tinkerer's fortune. Though my first ROM flash should correct that issue.
Hmmm, now how do I flash?? Odin (isn't that a Norse g_d?), TWERP (isn't that some sort of butt humping??), SafeStrap (isn't that a sexual device hung from a ceiling beam??), duhhhh another confused newb….
Thanks to anyone bothering to read through the above.

You said it yourself you left it on the charger all night and woke up and it was hot. You can't leave a phone on a charger all night sleep for 8 plus hours that would fry it and it would be hot overcharging is really bad.
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matsuyamakaze said:
You said it yourself you left it on the charger all night and woke up and it was hot. You can't leave a phone on a charger all night sleep for 8 plus hours that would fry it and it would be hot overcharging is really bad.
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I leave my phone plugged up overnight, every night. I have had a replacement phone because the proximity sensor failed, but I've had this one for ~6 months and it's never overheated or done anything like above. Battery life is still great.

+1. Never had a problem with any device charging overnight, be it phone, tablet or laptop.

I leave my Note 3 plugged up All Night, EVERY Night. Anywhere from 5-12hrs depending on the day of the week & how many beers I drank the night before. I've NEVER had anything close to that happening. I do have a Great Battery app, Battery Doctor but I don't think it would stop that from happening if it happens so easily/frequently by charging them to long.as you suggest. There was definitely something funky going on with this guys Note 3. My Note 3 got REALLY Hot one time, while I was at work & it was Off the charge. I actually got a System Temperature Notification that it was over heating. I clicked on my Battery app & it had already found the culprit. I had turned Off Google+ Auto Backup Pic/Vids feature about 2 months prior to this. That morning when I got to work I turned it back on. Google+ started backing everything up at one time, >10gb. & started to Heat it up. The app now will Not backup everything at once unless you click the backup at once option. That was fixed in one of its updates.

Worst Device Ive Ever Owned (Returned)

This is my opinion. I'm a long time Android user.
I purchased this device with the excitement of it being a mixture of my 2 favorite interfaces.
The phone itself is nice looking. The screen is curved leaving it difficult to install a screen protector.
The back is extremely 'grippy' but feels loose towards the middle.
The software is buggy and i think they should have definately spent more time with it. Had a couple of random reboots and freezes within the 1st day.
The phone was randomly getting hot to touch, even after i stopped running background app's, and when it was doing this the battery life would drop quick, very quick.....
The phone does get warm fast, no matter what other people tell you. Simply browsing chrome or facebook i could feel the heat within 3-4 minutes.
The battery life i experienced was abysmal! After 5 charging cycles it didnt get any better, i averaged just on 3.5 hrs screen on time, for a 3400mah battery thats pretty bad. Especially for a so called business device thats even worse.
The sound through the bottom speaker grill was average.
The only thing i thought was realy good was the actual phone calls, sound was loud and clear.
The price of this phone is absolutely ridiculous!!! Its not worth what there asking.
The phone is a big let down for me. I was shocked.
If you want true blackberry, save your money and get a Passport.
My opinions.

I am planning to get the silver passport...
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Just about everyone reported good battery life with this thing. Ya sure you weren't running a lot of junk apps in the background?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not buying it. The keyboard is trash. But still.

Did you update anything? For some reason the Blackberry apps don't say they need updates, you have to visit their store page and update there. Also, unlinking and relinking your email account in the hub may help with your heat issues. There's also the chance you just got a lemon.

I updated all my apps i made sure i had nothing running in the background. Im pretty good with Android. No my way round somewhat.
If you get one just make sure you have the ability to return it easily enough.
I returned mine to the store and got a LG G4 instead which is an unbelievably good phone.

You can try out these steps to make sure you have the latest Blackberry apps on your Priv: http://crackberry.com/get-latest-app-updates-your-blackberry-priv-automatically

I have 0 battery issues. yes it gets warm, but that's probably as much as my oneplus 2. I'm easily getting 5 - 6hrs SOT over 18 hrs.

So far i am liking this device. I have an s6 edge, passport original (sold now), passport silver, which is the only device i have ever went back to after getting rid of. Now a Priv. So after getting it all set up with gmail, hub, twitter, facebook, corporate email, and some other random apps and charged up to 100% i went to bed with it unplugged. Woke up 7 hours later battery was at 96. Not bad for overnight. The productivity edge compared to the people edge on the s6 is a grand slam, its almost like having google now launcher after all primed up. Double tap to wake is flawless so far. I must say i am impressed. being able to hotkey all the keyboard keys just like my passport is great. I have not seen a single glitch yet. This device, for launchday software on a new platform for Blackberry is quite polished. I am not a blackberry loyalist by any means, but the subtle customizations and natively being able to set the flashing LED colour to different alerts is all baked in. I think im going to sell my Edge.

markdexter said:
I updated all my apps i made sure i had nothing running in the background. Im pretty good with Android. No my way round somewhat.
If you get one just make sure you have the ability to return it easily enough.
I returned mine to the store and got a LG G4 instead which is an unbelievably good phone.
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The G4 is a great phone. I want to try the Priv but can't justify dropping my G4 for it!

Can someone please tell me if it is possible to remove battery percentage from status bar??? Please.....
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Battery is awesome!! No complains!

Totally disagree with OP. My experience is very different. Great business device with good replication of the best of BB10.

Aside from the heating thing, everything else seems to be your device only. You might have gotten a faulty device.
I've been using the Priv for a week now, neither a single random reboot nor a freeze happened. The phone is fluid, and no lags. It does get warm quite quickly, but not to the extent you're describing here ("hot to touch"). It gets as warm as other devices, but quicker.
I wouldn't go as far as returning the device only for these issues, I'd get it replaced instead. But then again, that's just me, and I have been excited about it since its rumours and renders. If you weren't excited about it, or just looking for a "new device" to test, I'd understand why you were eager to return it.

I also wasn't pleased with the battery life. I own a moto x play, has a 3,600 mah battery, I average 6.5- 7 hrs screen on time, the priv have me about 3hrs with a similar size battery??!!

Mine is back in the box ready to be returned also same issue. So hot almost too hot to touch. Constant fc on chrome and hanging battery life absolute ****e and worst of all how the sharp corner sticks into your hand on obe handed use. ..so disappointed as I was waiting since release day..total pants if you ask me

Heat issues may be dependent upon your network as I found in the UK that on EE very little warming but a bit more warming on Vodafone.

Yeah mine was on voda

I'm actually pretty happy with the priv - mine only gets slightly warm under load, doesn't randomly reboot or crash, the screen doesn't click, the front and rear cameras both work flawlessly...
however, I'm on the verge of returning it due to the physical keyboard. People complain that it's cramped and small, but I have no issue with that either. My main issue is that it drops keys randomly and can't keep up with the typing - it happens most frequently when typing double letters ("google" -> "gogle", or "good"->"god"), but it also randomly drops keys elsewhere too. I'm pretty sure it's not me as I intentionally type very deliberately to see, and I hear/feel the key click down - but nothing registers on the screen.
For a company that built its reputation on having the best in class keyboard... this is pretty disappointing.

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Heat issues may be dependent upon your network as I found in the UK that on EE very little warming but a bit more warming on Vodafone.
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If this is the case what a major flaw, if your on a certain network you could potentially Cook an egg on the back of your priv with the heat!!

Give it a couple of full drain/charge cycles and you'll be fine. Software is a bit buggy yes. But since this such an important phone for BB, you can be assured constant software updates will make this into a monster.
Give it a real chance before you dismiss it.
Here's my SOT after 1 week of use. Here with 34% left. This will get you up to 6 hours SOT.
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A brief comparison of popular phones

I had a Droid Turbo for 1.5 years that got great battery life. I am a power user, and averaged between 4 and 4.5 hrs of SOT in a 16 hour day.
For no good reason, I decided it was time to get a new phone, and I chose the S7e SD 820 model based on the reviews. While the phone is pretty, there were two dealbreakers for me. First, the Edge screen is too sensitive given the way I hold a phone, even when using a case. I'd constantly open apps on the left side of the screen by accident. Or worse, make weird typos in emails. The second, and bigger issue, is mentioned ad nauseum on this forum - the US version has major Android System battery drain that has not been addressed. I spent hours and hours trying to get in touch with someone who could help me at Samsung. I was promised callbacks, fixes, etc.. But when there was no follow through and I'd call back, they acted like nobody had ever reported the problem before. I then tried tweeting Samsung support, and they responded... By telling me that their customer service dept on Twitter has absolutely no way to contact someone who can solve the android system issue. Finally, after calling several times, I got in touch w a US based tier 2 tech support agent, who also told me the issue had never been reported. He had an S7 on hand, picked it up, and noted that there was definitely a problem. He put in a ticket but said it wouldn't be addressed until enough people complained to trip their system. Given the challenges of dealing w Samsung, and my big priority of having a long lasting battery, I finally gave up hope and returned my s7e to Verizon. This is the first time in 20 years of cell phones that I've ever made a return.
I wanted my Droid Turbo back, but unfortunately, I turned that in when I got the S7e. So, I decided to get a DT2. I'd call it a fine phone. Nothing special that differentiated it from the original for me. In fact, battery life for me averaged about 3.5-4 hrs SOT, less than the original. If I'm going to spend $700 on a new phone it has to be significantly better than my previous one in the category that's most important to me, which is battery life. I don't watch much video on my phone, but I definitely use apps intermittently throughout the day, including FB, Instagram, Bumble, TouchDown and Feedly. Since those don't need anything special in terms of graphics, my only goal was to get more device use time than the DT. Since that wasn't happening, I've now purchased a Nexus 6p.
From reading the forums, it sounds like Google is much more responsive to issues because this phone is running stock Android. While the processor is a generation dated from the S7e, I do appreciate that Google will update much faster than Samsung, who barely acknowledged a battery issue affecting 100% of US phones. I've now installed everything on my 6p, and am in the middle of testing it for "normal use" (meaning, how I use the phone, which may or may not reflect the norm). If this phone doesn't get better battery life than the DT, then I'm going to return it, call it a day, and purchase another DT on ebay.
I'm sure for many of you screen pixels, camera and processor speed matter, but I don't watch much video, find almost all cell phone cameras provide pixelated photos, particularly in low light, and I never had any issue opening FB or emails at warp speed on my Turbo. I can't justify getting equal or less battery life for a phone that costs $500 more than the original DT.
Anyway, I'll give an update once I've had a few days with my 6p, but feel free to post your experiences if you've had any of these devices.

You should be able to get at least 6 to 8 hours SOT with the SD820 Edge, just look at this threat and try it. Despite your bad experience so far this S7 should easily obliterate your DT and 6p. It's just a shame 800 bucks doesn't work great straight out of the box like most Exynos do and how it should be. But even Exynos isn't perfect, e.g. my standby drain is slowly creeping upwards from 2% per night on the first day till 4% now, 2 weeks later. Without ever changing a setting. Not complaining though This phone has potential like no other phone in market does at this point in time.

I'd strongly doubt that any phone could average 6+ hrs of SoT unless you're on wifi and using the screen continuously. But again, everyone uses their phones differently. For me, it was the terrible Samsung support that made me throw in the towel. I agree that the phone has potential, but potential is just that. If the people responsible for updating the phone don't pay attention to their customers than the phone will never improve beyond its potential.

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If the people responsible for updating the phone don't pay attention to their customers than the phone will never improve beyond its potential.
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Touche

Fix Random Reboots in Galaxy S6

I bought my Galaxy S6 in June 2015 and the phone now is 2.5 years old and battery has lost over 30% of its capacity and after the last update the phone started randomly rebooting 3-4 times per day. So I took inspiration from what Apple did with their older iPhones and customized my power saving option to just decrease the CPU performance by 30% to avoid the peak currents that causes the battery to shut down and I haven't had a single reboot ever since then. It does actually works.
The difference however is that I have intentionally done that based my choice. And I know why my device has slowed down now and I know that all I need to do to get the day 1 performance is get a fresh battery ;P.

Ahmedalwakeel said:
I bought my Galaxy S6 in June 2015 and the phone now is 2.5 years old and battery has lost over 30% of its capacity and after the last update the phone started randomly rebooting 3-4 times per day. So I took inspiration from what Apple did with their older iPhones and customized my power saving option to just decrease the CPU performance by 30% to avoid the peak currents that causes the battery to shut down and I haven't had a single reboot ever since then. It does actually works.
The difference however is that I have intentionally done that based my choice. And I know why my device has slowed down now and I know that all I need to do to get the day 1 performance is get a fresh battery ;P.
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well... in my case, (my phone is also around 2.5 years old) after replacing my battery with another s6's battery i had, the rebooting and freezing stopped for... probably 4 days... or so...
It happened again and i asked a friend of mine to look at it (he's an electronics hobbyist with some nice tools and phone breaking experience)... He said it appeared that there was some irregularities with the motherboard in my FIXED s6 compared to my other S6 with the broken lcd... i didn't understand the other stuff he said but we swapped motherboards... that was around Halloween 2017 and the phone has since behaved like it should.
P.S: im using the original battery now. not the swapped battery...
(P.P.S: how is this problem so common and no one knows how to fix it? my guess is it was built this way to upgrade to s7? meaning s7 people will start experiencing the same thing around 2.5 years or sooner..)

S7 edge bricked in pocket, no apparent reason.

Hello.
Today after i was back from town, I left my S7e in my pants pockets while i changed clothes and opened my pc. I tried to check whatsapp web from my pc, and it told me your phone is out of range(out of battery in this case). and i was like oh well ok, its ran out of juice. Tho i was a little suspicious about it, as it was at 20%+ while i was at town, out of experience i know that 20 lasts a long time. But, i forgot about it and was too lazy to get my charger out of my backpack.
Now after about 2,5 hours i quit the stuff on my pc, moved up and got ready to charge the phone again.
And HEH HEH its bricked. Or optionally the screen is totally dead, wich i think is not.
Have not flashed ANY roms on the device, have had a stable root and stable xposed and stable everything since note 7 launch. Never had any issues.
So, what do yall think?
If the battery dies can it cause this? Havent had any water contact or anything with the phone today.

its dead even when charging?
if yes thats not battery fault.
there is a sticky thread for bricked S7 edge, try that.
or maybe you hit your phone and it died?

Lithium-Ion batteries don't like having less than ~40% charge. You said that out of experience you'd knew that 20% left charge lasts a long time, suggesting that your device has been run below 40% of capacity quite often.
For me, this indicates a dead battery that is no longer capable of delivering/holding a sufficient current.

it should work on usb even without battery, like notebooks.
dead battery just dont hold energy and capacity

yaro666 said:
it should work on usb even without battery, like notebooks.
dead battery just dont hold energy and capacity
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Not necessarily. Most, if not all modern smartphones will not turn on with a malfunctioning battery.
I tried it out of curiosity. I have a few devices lying around.
Trying to turn them on without a battery:
LG G4 - negative
LG Nexus 5 - negative
HTC One M7 - negative
HTC One M9 - negative
Samsung Galaxy S3 - negative
Samsung Galaxy S4 - negative
Samsung Galaxy S5 - negative
Samsung Galaxy S6 - negative
Samsung Galaxy Note 3 - negative
Samsung Galaxy Note 4 - negative

thanks we learn every day.
mostly devices that I repair turn on just on cable, but I dont ha e a lot of experience with modern smartphones - mostly lcd replace.

I had the same problem, I was sending a TX message on my S7 Edge and all of a sudden the screen just went blank. The phone wouldn't turn on or off and it was getting hot. So I booted into safe mode, now the phone is in safe mode and won't boot back into a normal operating system mode. Now my S7 Edge is stuck in safe mode. I can move through the different options, but the phone will not act on any of the power options