After playing with the Lollipop build for a while on the Moto X 14, I think for me the biggest thing that will take the most getting used to on the N6 is not having Moto display. Sure Googles implementation is OK, but no where near as useful ad Moto's.
Cant beat picking up the phone and having your messages show up. Or better yet waiving your hand over the display to light it up.
This and moto assist are the only reason I may hang on to my Moto X 14. I use the hand wave feature frequently. Way more than i thought i would. Moto assist for driving and at home is so convenient. It's like having Amazon's echo wherever you are. Sure the N6 has always listening but I don't think you can answer phone calls and reply to messages hands free.
If the moto apps can be hacked to work on the N6 I may go for it.
jmill75 said:
Cant beat picking up the phone and having your messages show up.
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That's how it works on the N6.
Try agent app. That's a good replacement for talking and replying back to texts while driving. Dynamic notifications is almost exactly like moto display
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I need to get a new phone, and the only thing keeping me from the Nexus 6 is the lack of Moto Display/Moto Suite/Moto Voice, etc. I've yet to hear from a 2014 Moto X user who says that they wouldn't miss it.
The way it works on the nexus is when you pick up the phone the active display turns on. The same as the moto
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The way it works on the nexus is when you pick up the phone the active display turns on. The same as the moto
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The Moto X's active display also pulses like a notification LED, and you can also just wave your hand over it to get it to turn on.
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The Moto X's active display also pulses like a notification LED, and you can also just wave your hand over it to get it to turn on.
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The N6 version pulses as well, so it's only missing the wave function.
Credit & Thanks to biggiestuff for the following:
"Ambient display looks similar but in no way is close to moto display. Moto display uses the low power contextual processor in order to save battery. Ambient display uses the amoled ability to fire up specific pixels in order not to waste battery. The minute you interact with ambient display the screen fires up 100 percent. Moto display let's you interact without ever using the primary processor until you unlock. It's a step in the right direction but not there just yet."
Battery impact will be substantially greater.
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Credit & Thanks to biggiestuff for the following:
"Ambient display looks similar but in no way is close to moto display. Moto display uses the low power contextual processor in order to save battery. Ambient display uses the amoled ability to fire up specific pixels in order not to waste battery. The minute you interact with ambient display the screen fires up 100 percent. Moto display let's you interact without ever using the primary processor until you unlock. It's a step in the right direction but not there just yet."
Battery impact will be substantially greater.
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Uuhm... i'm sorry.... but i'd personally be questioning biggiestuff's basis for his comment. Watch video's of "Moto Display", and then watch the video of Ambient Display. There is physically no difference as to how one functions compared to the other. In Lollipop's Ambient Display, you get the typical Lollipop notification look, with the notifications showing up under the clock, also saying what the notification is, what was said in the text message, etc... When you interact with a particular notification, yes, the display turns on completely. Then look at "Moto Display". Yes, you can touch the screen to "interact" with them... but with either system, the display has to be turned on to do anything more than that. Only difference i can see is that Moto Display uses less pixels, since it only lights up up to 3 circles with the app icon in the middle, unless you have more than 3 notifications.... at which point you get a menu-like notification as the 3rd one.
Long story short...
Ambient Display = notifications are displayed on screen, and interacting with them (to see your list of e-mails/texts received, or opening the app directly from the notification) powers the display on completely.
Moto Display = Notification icons are displayed on screen. Interacting with those allows you to see what the notification says. Interacting FURTHER powers the display on completely to open the app so you can do what you need to do.
No difference at all power requirement wise (except for the minuscule amount of power needed for the couple extra pixels in Ambient Display) that i can see.
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Uuhm... i'm sorry.... but i'd personally be questioning biggiestuff's basis for his comment. Watch video's of "Moto Display", and then watch the video of Ambient Display. There is physically no difference as to how one functions compared to the other. In Lollipop's Ambient Display, you get the typical Lollipop notification look, with the notifications showing up under the clock, also saying what the notification is, what was said in the text message, etc... When you interact with a particular notification, yes, the display turns on completely. Then look at "Moto Display". Yes, you can touch the screen to "interact" with them... but with either system, the display has to be turned on to do anything more than that. Only difference i can see is that Moto Display uses less pixels, since it only lights up up to 3 circles with the app icon in the middle, unless you have more than 3 notifications.... at which point you get a menu-like notification as the 3rd one.
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Ambient Display = notifications are displayed on screen, and interacting with them (to see your list of e-mails/texts received, or opening the app directly from the notification) powers the display on completely.
Moto Display = Notification icons are displayed on screen. Interacting with those allows you to see what the notification says. Interacting FURTHER powers the display on completely to open the app so you can do what you need to do.
No difference at all power requirement wise (except for the minuscule amount of power needed for the couple extra pixels in Ambient Display) that i can see.
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No, it's different. With the Moto X, you can interact with the screen and view the notification without the phone actually turning on, whilst still only using the low power contextual processor. You can't respond to it, but you can view it. And again, unless you physically unlock the device, it is all done with the low power contextual processor while the phone is technically still asleep. With the N6 and Ambient Display, the moment you touch the screen it wakes up the phone, lights up in full color and uses the full power processor. There is a reason why when you use Ambient Display the standby battery life gets chopped by about 25%. Check out the specs sheet for the N6- Standby time is 330hrs with Ambient Display off, and 250hrs with it on. http://www.google.com/nexus/6/
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No, it's different. With the Moto X, you can interact with the screen and view the notification without the phone actually turning on, whilst still only using the low power contextual processor. You can't respond to it, but you can view it. And again, unless you physically unlock the device, it is all done with the low power contextual processor while the phone is technically still asleep. With the N6 and Ambient Display, the moment you touch the screen it wakes up the phone, lights up in full color and uses the full power processor. There is a reason why when you use Ambient Display the standby battery life gets chopped by about 25%. Check out the specs sheet for the N6- Standby time is 330hrs with Ambient Display off, and 250hrs with it on. http://www.google.com/nexus/6/
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Yes..... but on the other hand.... they've actually gone ahead and POSTED their estimated battery life with it on and off. Looking at the Moto X, all you get is "24 hours mixed usage". Nothing saying what to expect with Moto Display on or off. I'd assume it probably kills the battery just as much... but i couldn't find a review that tested battery life with it on and off.
Again.... with Moto Display, you get notification circles.... only showing the app icon. You touch the icon, and you get what the text message says and who it's from, or what the e-mail you received was about. You can then slide your finger up to the app icon again to unlock the device, turning the screen on fully, and opening up to that message.
With Ambient Display, it's no different from the standard lock screen with the notifications showing, aside from it using only the required pixels. The ONLY difference between it and Moto Display is that for Moto Display, you have to touch the notification icon on the screen to see what the notification says, whereas with Ambient Display, when it turns on, whatever you'd really need to see is already there. Moto Display just adds one extra step to the process.
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Moto display uses the low power contextual processor in order to save battery. Ambient display uses the amoled ability to fire up specific pixels in order not to waste battery..
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This doesn't make any sense to me. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. Both Moto Display and Ambient Display take advantage of AMOLED's ability to only light up select pixels to conserve battery when displaying notifications. As for the use of a low power processor to save battery when displaying notifications, the Snapdragon 805 SoC has a Hexagon DSP built-in, so it's possible that the Nexus 6's Ambient Display is also using a low power processor to display notifications. It's simply too early to say that this difference exists between Ambient Display and Moto Display.
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Yes..... but on the other hand.... they've actually gone ahead and POSTED their estimated battery life with it on and off. Looking at the Moto X, all you get is "24 hours mixed usage". Nothing saying what to expect with Moto Display on or off. I'd assume it probably kills the battery just as much... but i couldn't find a review that tested battery life with it on and off.
Again.... with Moto Display, you get notification circles.... only showing the app icon. You touch the icon, and you get what the text message says and who it's from, or what the e-mail you received was about. You can then slide your finger up to the app icon again to unlock the device, turning the screen on fully, and opening up to that message.
With Ambient Display, it's no different from the standard lock screen with the notifications showing, aside from it using only the required pixels. The ONLY difference between it and Moto Display is that for Moto Display, you have to touch the notification icon on the screen to see what the notification says, whereas with Ambient Display, when it turns on, whatever you'd really need to see is already there. Moto Display just adds one extra step to the process.
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I haven't really tested it on my 2014 Moto X yet, but I can tell you from personal experience with my 2013 Moto X that Active Display has pretty much zero effect on standby battery life. My 2013 loses about 1% overnight, and maybe 3-4% a day if I just let it sit. That's with or without Active Display being on. That's the whole point of the low power contextual processor, it can do these things (Active Display, Moto Voice) with negligible effect on battery life. It was designed that way. Judging from the stated specs of the Nexus 6, it doesn't seem like they had Ambient Display in mind when designing the hardware. I mean, an 80 hour hit to standby battery life is pretty substantial.
As far as the information that's displayed is concerned, I can't really comment on it because I have no experience with the N6. But it does seem that you are correct in that it displays the same or similar information, albeit with one less step. In my point of view, that's actually a bad thing because it brings up some privacy concerns. The Moto X just pulses the type of notification for all to see- if you want to see the contents of it, you need to physically interact with the display. The N6 with Ambient Display, actually pulses the content of the notification which I'm not so keen on.
In the same boat. The Moto features truly change how one uses a phone. Am worried by getting the N6, that I'd miss these features a great deal.
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Anyone have the screen shot of the moto x2014 lollipop updates before they took it down? Even Motorola somewhat acknowledge that ambient display drains more than moto display. Moto x 2014 will have ability to use both.
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What are the odds of the moto features becoming available for the N6, either from porting or moto directly making them available?
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What are the odds of the moto features becoming available for the N6, either from porting or moto directly making them available?
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If they haven't been done by now, I'd say the chances are slim. What features are you looking for. There are solid alternatives but I agree with most that Motorola's implementation has much tighter and cleaner integration. I actually gave up on my nexus 5 for a moto x. I probably would have ended up with the new moto x if it wasn't for that tiny battery.
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You think some build prop. editing would allow moto suite to work? That is the main advantage of Nexus devices. Tinkering ?
Has anyone else wanted to turn off Moto Display at night? It doesn't wake me up but the option would be nice.
Googling the issue, it seems that the Moto X has or used to have the option to set times where the display stays off. However, those options were for Active Display, not Moto Display. It's slightly annoying that they took this option away.
I have the 2013 Moto X and yes the Active Display options in settings has the ability to set a time frame where it turns Active Display off. This is on KitKat 4.4.4. If the Droid Turbo doesn't have that ability, I'm sure it will be added soon. They advertise using Moto Actions to wave off alarms, but who will use it as an alarm clock if you can't shut off a pulsing light. Luckily they should be able to update just the app to provide that ability. I would definitely leave feedback on their app page for Moto Display in Google Play Store.
Maybe not super useful, but if you put the Moto X face down, I believe it disables active display. In the case of the Turbo, putting it face down may do the same, or will at least hide the light...
Cobra04 said:
Has anyone else wanted to turn off Moto Display at night? It doesn't wake me up but the option would be nice.
Googling the issue, it seems that the Moto X has or used to have the option to set times where the display stays off. However, those options were for Active Display, not Moto Display. It's slightly annoying that they took this option away.
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You can go to the Moto app and then to Assist. That has an option for a sleep schedule where you can mute the phone during your sleep times as well as turn off the display. That will turn off Moto Display at night.
So my moto display will constantly light up every other second when I have notification such as E-mail etc. I feel like that kills a lot of battery when I just put it on the table. Is there are way to change the setting or something so it only light up for once or twice. I can always reach to the phone to check the notification so there is no need for notification always light up. Also, I found out that if I block the IR blaster it will not light up anymore but as soon as I remove the cover it will constantly light up again. I think constantly light up screen really burn down a lot of battery.
It doesn't use as much as you'd think. Moto Display (formerly Active Display on Moto X 2013) only lights the pixels that you can see. The rest of the screen is off.
With the Moto X, the display "breathes" when there are notifications pending. It flashes every 2-3 seconds, but does flash slower if left alone for a while. Placing the phone face down turns it off. You can also define quiet hours that disable the Active Display completely. Lastly, you can turn it on or off for specific apps that you don't want to trigger the notifications. For example, you may want your Gmail and text messages, but not Twitter. You can also dismiss the notifications by swiping left/right when selecting them (not certain if that is still true for Turbo as it has multiple notifications whereas the Moto X 2013 only shows one at a time).
I don't know of any way to turn it off after some amount of time, it's either on or off, but you can change the apps that are included. And as I said, it does blink slower (more time between blinks) if you don't touch the phone for a while.
Ok thanks that really helps... I just hope they can add a setting so it won't always light up. I'm also wondering if battery consumption by moto display count as part of the cell standby because it is still quite high compare to other smartphone I had used before.
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Ok thanks that really helps... I just hope they can add a setting so it won't always light up. I'm also wondering if battery consumption by moto display count as part of the cell standby because it is still quite high compare to other smartphone I had used before.
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The Moto Display battery usage falls under the "Android System" app in the battery stats. You can confirm it in by opening the app in the battery stats and observing the "Active Display System Process" listed.
You can turn off moto display...or you can swipe the notification to the right or left to "dismiss it" without opening the phone...or you can leave the phone face down on the table
I am unsure if I will buy this device.
Someone who has moto maxx can download an application from the notification screen and test if it works well?
These applications promise to pick a different light for each application notification screen on moto maxx. (Since he does not have conventional LED)
I will be very grateful if someone could do this to me
I think Moto should definitely change the Moto Display behavior so that it uses the front sensors instead of the gyro (movement) when there is no current notification. This would allow you to wave for the time and it would be displayed when you pulled it out of your pocket, but it would not be shown by bumps in the road or other movement. If there is a notification waiting the behavior should stay the same because it is up to the user to acknowledge/dismiss it.
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I think Moto should definitely change the Moto Display behavior so that it uses the front sensors instead of the gyro (movement) when there is no current notification. This would allow you to wave for the time and it would be displayed when you pulled it out of your pocket, but it would not be shown by bumps in the road or other movement. If there is a notification waiting the behavior should stay the same because it is up to the user to acknowledge/dismiss it.
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On the Moto X 2013 at least, it doesn't turn on every time it moves. If you're holding it in your hand and walking, it doesn't just stay on all the time. Once you set it down on the table and let it sit for a moment, then touch it again, it lights up.
I usually leave mine sitting on my desk at work and if there are no notifications pending (to make it breathe), I just touch it so it rolls slightly on the curved back and it shows me the time.
Hi,
I use moto display without gesture detection. When i receive a notification (mail, text message, ...) the screen turns on and slowly turns off which is the expected behaviour. But then the screen keep turning on/off indefinitely until i open the notification or dismiss it.
Do you have the same behaviour ?
Moreover this behaviour is not linked to any phone mouvement as it is just laid on the table without any vibration that could wake it up.
It seems to me that this new bahaviour appeared with MM.
Either you disable Moto display for notifications or slide the unlock icon to the right so it will dismiss the notification on moto display but not on the notifications bar.
Yes, but do you confirm that this is the expected behaviour ?
I thought it was supposed to turn the screen on just one time and not to turn my screen into a christmas tree. Moto display is supposed to save our battery life, not sure it is going to reach that target with this behaviour, especially with a screen that is not an amoled...
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Yes, but do you confirm that this is the expected behaviour ?
I thought it was supposed to turn the screen on just one time and not to turn my screen into a christmas tree. Moto display is supposed to save our battery life, not sure it is going to reach that target with this behaviour, especially with a screen that is not an amoled...
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It's gonna pulse every minute or so for about 10 minutes I believe. Then it stops. If your phone is face down, it won't pulse at all.
Thanks for your feedback, too bad that we can't configure it, it's way too long by default imo.
I had a problem with the Lollipop and now the MM versions of the Moto Display. You can dismiss the notification, but it will start pulsing again for the same notification a little while later, with nothing new happening. Wasn't too bad with Lollipop, because I just switched to Ambient display which worked perfect. Now Ambient is gone for some reason.
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I had a problem with the Lollipop and now the MM versions of the Moto Display. You can dismiss the notification, but it will start pulsing again for the same notification a little while later, with nothing new happening. Wasn't too bad with Lollipop, because I just switched to Ambient display which worked perfect. Now Ambient is gone for some reason.
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I've checked, i don't have this behaviour on my side, once the notification is dismissed it stops pulsing... i don't understand how it can be different from one phone to another.
Edit : How did you switch to Ambient display btw ?
I haven't found a way to switch to Ambient on MM, you can only turn off Moto Display which gives you no notifications at all! It was easy with Lollipop, just go to the Moto settings and choose which display version you want.
Well it could be acceptable to turn it off with a notification led...
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I haven't found a way to switch to Ambient on MM, you can only turn off Moto Display which gives you no notifications at all! It was easy with Lollipop, just go to the Moto settings and choose which display version you want.
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Maybe unfortunately for some, Motorola got rid of Ambient Display in MM.
https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/prod_answer_detail/a_id/108823