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KNOX FREE pre-rooted stock firmware

What does Knox Free mean in pre-rooted firmwares when they also say:
Attention Your KNOX WARRANTY VOID will be set to 0x1!! Think TWICE before flashing!!! ?

It means the built in knox software is removed from the rom.
But it will still void your warranty upon flashing.
Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk 4

So why they don't keep Knox software if warranty will be void any way?

It means
SJGSM said:
What does Knox Free mean in pre-rooted firmwares when they also say:
Attention Your KNOX WARRANTY VOID will be set to 0x1!! Think TWICE before flashing!!! ?
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that the App Knox and all related stuff will be removed from the rom. But KNOX has also an efuse (or most people think it is an efuse), which means if it detects a change of the bootloader and the flag goes from 0x0 to 0x1 (which you can see in the recovery mode) in which case you voit the warrant.
At the moment there is no known way to reset this.

So why don't keep Knox software?

SJGSM said:
So why don't keep Knox software?
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Its not the app or software within the rom that triggers the flag, its the change in the bootloader which has to be done in order to root your device. So whether you keep the apps or not, when you root, its over. Im not even sure if knox (the app) can be used after the flag is triggered

SJGSM said:
So why don't keep Knox software?
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Knox warranty status is different to knox software in the rom.
The warranty status changes from 0x0 to 0x1 upon flashing anything in download mode.
The Knox built in software adds complications to things such as rooting and installing/restoring apps not from play store. By removing built in knox apps, these apps work.
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danieljamie said:
Knox warranty status is different to knox software in the rom.
The warranty status changes from 0x0 to 0x1 upon flashing anything in download mode.
The Knox built in software adds complications to things such as rooting and installing/restoring apps not from play store. By removing built in knox apps, these apps work.
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So there won't be any complications with flashing custom roms, we'll just lose KNOX and Warranty status? Correct? I have insurance, I'm not too worried about losing the warranty on my device, I just want root and the ability to flash custom roms with bloatware removed.

SJGSM said:
So why don't keep Knox software?
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You don't want the software because it does not play well with apps that require root or with restored apps. It's more of a pain. When I get my n3 I'm Def flashing a rom without knox just because the problems it's been causing on rooted phones.

monkey10120 said:
You don't want the software because it does not play well with apps that require root or with restored apps. It's more of a pain. When I get my n3 I'm Def flashing a rom without knox just because the problems it's been causing on rooted phones.
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Does this mean if I restore using Titanium on a rooted phone some of the Apps. wont work?
Also is Knox the reson for the locked Bootloader? or is that completely different?
By flashing a ROM without Knox does this "unlock" the bootloader?

Fox in Sox, sir, this Knox really gets my Box, sir!
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Richard.p said:
Does this mean if I restore using Titanium on a rooted phone some of the Apps. wont work?
Also is Knox the reson for the locked Bootloader? or is that completely different?
By flashing a ROM without Knox does this "unlock" the bootloader?
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You can use titanium but you will have to run a script after to stop the apps from force closing. Someone sent the fix to the app devs do they can fix it. I would really wait until tb has an update that fixes the restore problem.
And knox is a system underneath android that provides security. It doesn't cause the boot loader to be locked but just adds another annoyance after you unlock the bootloader. And in order to flash a rom you need to install a custom recovery which cannot be done on a locked bootloader. Hope I said it clear enough think of knox as a pissed off antivirus that will not let you install and blocks half of the stuff from running properly.

monkey10120 said:
You can use titanium but you will have to run a script after to stop the apps from force closing. Someone sent the fix to the app devs do they can fix it. I would really wait until tb has an update that fixes the restore problem.
And knox is a system underneath android that provides security. It doesn't cause the boot loader to be locked but just adds another annoyance after you unlock the bootloader. And in order to flash a rom you need to install a custom recovery which cannot be done on a locked bootloader. Hope I said it clear enough think of knox as a pissed off antivirus that will not let you install and blocks half of the stuff from running properly.
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Thanks for that, it's very clear :good:

Root N9000 without knox???

This is not a question
This is a Discussion
5 days ago i got gn3 and i didn't wanna root it then
but now i want 2 root
and i read all the talk about root it with knox will kill the phone
so i didnt open the app (knox) yet
and i can delete it
as u can see
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so if i delete knox
it want kill my phone when i root it
RIGHT ?????????????????

Wrong
and this IS a question

first of all this IS a question The interesting thing is my N9000Q (identical to N900 according to samsung) does not have anything about knox in Download mode just Binary status and Firmware status. The became Custom after rooting but when I flash an official rom, they both became official.

b00mb00mchuck said:
Wrong
and this IS a question
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muhtesem insan said:
first of all this IS a question The interesting thing is my N9000Q (identical to N900 according to samsung) does not have anything about knox in Download mode just Binary status and Firmware status. The became Custom after rooting but when I flash an official rom, they both became official.
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tnx 4 answering
so i cnt root
damn it

Does root De La Vega work on your device? Let's you root without tripping the Knox counter

aheadyar said:
This is not a question
This is a Discussion
5 days ago i got gn3 and i didn't wanna root it then
but now i want 2 root
and i read all the talk about root it with knox will kill the phone
so i didnt open the app (knox) yet
and i can delete it
as u can see
so if i delete knox
it want kill my phone when i root it
RIGHT ?????????????????
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No it will not kill your phone.
That part of knox is an app for security like any other app.
The knox warranty is only visible in download mode.
Some are reporting that there is no Knox flag on the 900 version. Basically the exynos version.
Also if it's a system app from Samsung you cannot delete unless you have root. You can only hide it and uninstall the updates to those apps!
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but, does the n900 have the boot flag witch sees if a device has been rooted?
muhtesem insan said:
first of all this IS a question The interesting thing is my N9000Q (identical to N900 according to samsung) does not have anything about knox in Download mode just Binary status and Firmware status. The became Custom after rooting but when I flash an official rom, they both became official.
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could you install the root and modded rom, and, after a reupload of original firmware, flags comes back to normal state???

iba21 said:
could you install the root and modded rom, and, after a reupload of original firmware, flags comes back to normal state???
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Exactly. and there's no KNOX flag. I could get OTA updates too without problem.

muhtesem insan said:
Exactly. and there's no KNOX flag. I could get OTA updates too without problem.
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You don't have the 0x0 flag??

iba21 said:
You don't have the 0x0 flag??
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Just this...

muhtesem insan said:
Just this...
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Monday i'll receve the n900.. i'll see if it has the flag.. thankyou!

muhtesem insan said:
Just this...
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Did you try ti root and come back by flashing original firmware?

This means it is safe to flash n root on exynos?
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jetbruceli said:
No it will not kill your phone.
That part of knox is an app for security like any other app.
The knox warranty is only visible in download mode.
Some are reporting that there is no Knox flag on the 900 version. Basically the exynos version.
Also if it's a system app from Samsung you cannot delete unless you have root. You can only hide it and uninstall the updates to those apps!
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so i can root with cf root and keep using knox ???????????
i dont have knox flag in download mode

muhtesem insan said:
Exactly. and there's no KNOX flag. I could get OTA updates too without problem.
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is that mean i can root with cf root
like i used 2 do with s3 with no problem ??????????

iba21 said:
Monday i'll receve the n900.. i'll see if it has the flag.. thankyou!
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there's no flag on n900

thank you all for answering
one last thing i wanna understand clearly
can i root cf root n have no problem like i used 2 do with s2 s3
ps the phone is very expensive in iraq i got it in 899 $
so did any one root safety on n900

thank you all for answering
one last thing i wanna understand clearly
can i root cf root n have no problem like i used 2 do with s2 s3
ps the phone is very expensive in iraq i got it in 899 $
so did any one root safety on n900

aheadyar said:
thank you all for answering
one last thing i wanna understand clearly
can i root cf root n have no problem like i used 2 do with s2 s3
ps the phone is very expensive in iraq i got it in 899 $
so did any one root safety on n900
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You can root without harming the phone easily but you could void warranty. I am not sure that not having a visible knox counter in N900 means there isn't a hidden one.

muhtesem insan said:
You can root without harming the phone easily but you could void warranty. I am not sure that not having a visible knox counter in N900 means there isn't a hidden one.
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tnx 4 ur answer
i dont care bwt warranty if root want harm my device
muhtesem insan said:
I am not sure that not having a visible knox counter in N900 means there isn't a hidden one.
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with time xda devs will find that out

Help, rooting i9500ubuamde

So yeah Help, rooting i9500ubuamde ,Claro Dominicana, 4.2.2 . I can't make heads or tales out of anything theres so much information on the this forum .
I've managed to download original Frameware and kernel of this phone and thats about it .Is there a way to root this particular baseband without tripping the knox counter ? Which method ..? Sorry its that there are so many baseband and different methods odin,cofface etc ..
Would appreciate a point in the right direction .

lowlab said:
So yeah Help, rooting i9500ubuamde ,Claro Dominicana, 4.2.2 . I can't make heads or tales out of anything theres so much information on the this forum .
I've managed to download original Frameware and kernel of this phone and thats about it .Is there a way to root this particular baseband without tripping the knox counter ? Which method ..? Sorry its that there are so many baseband and different methods odin,cofface etc ..
Would appreciate a point in the right direction .
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Are you sure you have Knox? Check in download mode for any reference to Knox first.....If you do there will be a KNOX WARRANTY VOID:0x0 reference
AFAIK there is no way of rooting without tripping the Knox counter.
If you still wish to root check here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2292615
Rooting has nothing to do with the baseband but your phone model does

CarlM34 said:
Are you sure you have Knox? Check in download mode for any reference to Knox first.....If you do there will be a KNOX WARRANTY VOID:0x0 reference
AFAIK there is no way of rooting without tripping the Knox counter.
If you still wish to root check here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2292615
Rooting has nothing to do with the baseband but your phone model does
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I get the normal Custom rom warning but no mention of Knox ..

lowlab said:
I get the normal Custom rom warning but no mention of Knox ..
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And no Knox app in app drawer?

CarlM34 said:
Are you sure you have Knox? Check in download mode for any reference to Knox first.....If you do there will be a KNOX WARRANTY VOID:0x0 reference
AFAIK there is no way of rooting without tripping the Knox counter.
If you still wish to root check here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2292615
Rooting has nothing to do with the baseband but your phone model does
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CarlM34 said:
And no Knox app in app drawer?
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In Application Manager I see the app ......
So ,I'm to assume my Bootloader is Unlocked BUT if I root I'll trip the flash counter?

lowlab said:
In Application Manager I see the app ......
So ,I'm to assume my Bootloader is Unlocked BUT if I root I'll trip the flash counter?
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Ah OK! If there is a Knox application then yeh rooting will trip it!

CarlM34 said:
Ah OK! If there is a Knox application then yeh rooting will trip it!
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No balls no glory right ?! I bought the S4 instead of the Xperia z1 for the unlocked bootloader so here goes nothing . Thankyou so much for all your help !

lowlab said:
No balls no glory right ?! I bought the S4 instead of the Xperia z1 for the unlocked bootloader so here goes nothing . Thankyou so much for all your help !
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Good Luck!:cyclops::fingers-crossed:

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Good Luck!:cyclops::fingers-crossed:
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This a pic of the download mode ...Dont see anything knox ... I'm i still screwed ?
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Good Luck!:cyclops::fingers-crossed:
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This a pic of the download mode ...Dont see anything knox ... I'm i still screwed ?

lowlab said:
This a pic of the download mode ...Dont see anything knox ... I'm i still screwed ?
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I am not all that familiar with the i9500.....But it does not appear that you have a knox enabled bootloader. I am not sure what it would look like on the i9500.
Have you rooted your phone yet?

[Q] Using MJA (unrooted) and want to use Knox, but can't find it

Hi everyone,
I'm trying to use Samsung Knox to set up a container for my work email, but I'm unable to find Knox anywhere in my app drawer. I can see it listed in the Application Manager, but there's no way to launch it.
I'm running the MJA 4.3 update, fully stock, unrooted. This is what my download screen looks like:
ODIN MODE
PRODUCT NAME: SPH-L720
CURRENT BINARY: Samsung Official
SYSTEM STATUS: Official
KNOX KERNEL LOCK: 0x0
KNOX WARRANTY VOID: 0x0
CSB-CONFIG-LSB: 0x30
WRITE PROTECTION: Enable
eMMC BURST MODE enabled​
On the About device screen, the Software version, Baseband version, and Build number all end in "MJA". The SELinux status is "Enforcing SEPF_SPH-L720_4.3_0010".
Is there something else that I need to do to enable Knox? I've searched the web and can only find screenshots of the Knox app showing up on a Samsung Galaxy Note 3. I've read plenty of posts saying that Knox is now fully enabled in the 4.3 update, but I haven't found anyone saying that they can't get it to work on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy S4 (just that they want to get rid of it).
Any insight would be greatly appreciated, as this is the only reason that I decided to take the plunge and upgrade to MJA. My work requires an 8-digit passcode for security and will soon be requiring storage to be fully encrypted, and I'm really tired of having to punch in my code any time I want to use my phone.
Thanks,
-Tony

Found this
And here is the Knox app. If you wish to install it.
Please report back if/how that works.

leaderbuilder said:
Found this
And here is the Knox app. If you wish to install it.
Please report back if/how that works.
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Thank you, leaderbuilder! I was able to get Knox working using the APK that you linked above. I had to enable installation from Unknown sources, download the APK to my phone, and install it. The APK is apparently just a stub to download the full Knox suite (160+ MB). The Knox installation went smoothly and it asked me for a lock timeout period and a password.
Knox works as well as I could have hoped! I can set whatever security I want on my phone (or none), and it only asks me for a password when I want to jump into the Knox container. My only complaint is that I haven't yet figured out a way to use the Google Keyboard in Knox. When I try to type in Knox using the Google Keyboard, my keypresses don't show up. I have to switch inputs to the Samsung Keyboard, and then I can type. I'm guessing Samsung would have to repackage the Google Keyboard as a Knox app and offer it up in their Knox App store that's available inside Knox.
On a side note, I first checked my Device Administrators (referring to the first link you posted above), but the entry for Knox was unchecked and disabled (I couldn't check it). After installing Knox, it's still disabled, but it is checked now:
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Glad to hear it worked.
I'm really appreciative of you posting back your results. We need more people to do that to contribute to the community and help out.
I'm sure as more of my clients get the updated firmware on their corporate phones I'll be seeing and doing more of this. Think next week I'll grab a colleagues phone and start messing with it myself. Curious if it'll work on rooted device(s)

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leaderbuilder said:
Glad to hear it worked.
I'm really appreciative of you posting back your results. We need more people to do that to contribute to the community and help out.
I'm sure as more of my clients get the updated firmware on their corporate phones I'll be seeing and doing more of this. Think next week I'll grab a colleagues phone and start messing with it myself. Curious if it'll work on rooted device(s)
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Running Sprint Galaxy S4 4.3 Jelly Bean MJA update with CF root access... I've tried the method you posted and at the end of setting Knox up it says "Your device is not authorized to enter Samsung KNOX mode"
Any possible work around for this? Download mode does have Knox tripped 0x1.

Zebriah said:
Running Sprint Galaxy S4 4.3 Jelly Bean MJA update with CF root access... I've tried the method you posted and at the end of setting Knox up it says "Your device is not authorized to enter Samsung KNOX mode"
Any possible work around for this? Download mode does have Knox tripped 0x1.
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Unroot your device.
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cruise350 said:
Unroot your device.
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Thanks for the advice, Captain. Sadly, I need root access and giving up root is not an option. I would still like to have Knox if there comes a method to have both. Will patiently be waiting.

Zebriah said:
Thanks for the advice, Captain. Sadly, I need root access and giving up root is not an option. I would still like to have Knox if there comes a method to have both. Will patiently be waiting.
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You will be waiting along time, knox's purpose is secure phone, and root is to unsecure phone. Knox will never work with root.

How to install knox when the knox flag is 0x1

Anyone has idea how to install knox or is it possible when my knox flag is 0x1 !!!
At the moment when I try to install when I put the passford then all closed there becouse my phone is not authorised to use knox.
Thnx
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TheBeci said:
Anyone has idea how to install knox or is it possible when my knox flag is 0x1 !!!
At the moment when I try to install when I put the passford then all closed there becouse my phone is not authorised to use knox.
Thnx
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No, as far as i know you can not install knox when the knox flag is 1 (which makes sense since knox would be pretty useless if you can install a custom kernel from where you can read anywhere in memory).

xclub_101 said:
No, as far as i know you can not install knox when the knox flag is 1 (which makes sense since knox would be pretty useless if you can install a custom kernel from where you can read anywhere in memory).
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Im not worried for voiding the warrantly, but the problem is if I sold my phone, noone like to buy an phone with knox flag 0x1.
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TheBeci said:
Im not worried for voiding the warrantly, but the problem is if I sold my phone, noone like to buy an phone with knox flag 0x1.
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Should have thought of that before tripping the flag then really, If you had read properly before tripping you would have known this.

radicalisto said:
Should have thought of that before tripping the flag then really, If you had read properly before tripping you would have known this.
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Bro, I need a solution and not criticize.
I hope in future anyone can solve this problem to erase flag 0x1.
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I wasn't criticising. I was stating a FACT. And highlighting that your own error of not reading enough about this has actually came back to haunt you.
The chances of a KNOX 0x0 after it being 0X1 which you have is Slim to NON Existent. Only way is to replace the Motherboard on your phone.

radicalisto said:
I wasn't criticising. I was stating a FACT. And highlighting that your own error of not reading enough about this has actually came back to haunt you.
The chances of a KNOX 0x0 after it being 0X1 which you have is Slim to NON Existent. Only way is to replace the Motherboard on your phone.
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Why are you 100% sure of 0x0 flag non existent ? Are you working for samsung or are you samsung CEO?
I thing in future a solution must be.
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TheBeci said:
Why are you 100% sure of 0x0 flag non existent ? Are you working for samsung or are you samsung CEO?
I thing in future a solution must be.
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Base of a lot of articles I have read, there is a high possibly that Knox is a efuse, the chance of getting it back to 0x0 is near impossible as once the efuse is tripped, it is basically burned. The only way is to either replace the chip on the fuse or the whole board.

TheBeci said:
Why are you 100% sure of 0x0 flag non existent ? Are you working for samsung or are you samsung CEO?
I thing in future a solution must be.
Sent from my SM-N9005 using xda app-developers app
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There's been a lot of very clever Dev-types working on this issue with no luck so far. These are the guys who got around the Knox issue initially via scripting and others who have been programming Android for years. Radicalisto doesn't have to be Samsung to say what s/he is saying, it's just a very good bet that s/he is right.
And yes, maybe someone in Samsung will leak the truth and we find a way to reverse the Knox, but betting on it right now is like betting a 2-legged horse will win the Melbourne Cup.
And I also wouldn't be too sure nobody would want a phone with Knox tripped - some of the custom ROM's make the stock ROM's look sick in comparison, both in speed and battery. In all this fuss I have yet to hear of a single person who wants Knox - anyone knowing of a post from someone who thinks it is worth having, please point it out.
Samsung made a business decision and has put offside almost all their customer base - about the only ones not pissed are those who never touch their phones, and even they aren't using Knox containers. And I haven't heard of any businesses setting up their servers to run containerised phone either. Blackberry did well because RIM did the work for businesses.
It's just a matter of reading up on things until you understand the risks, rather than seeing the 'Ooh Shiny!' and jumping in head first.

Nobody gives a damn about knox. For the common people, its there for warranty, other than that, nobody looking for 2nd hand note3 will specifically want a knox 0x0 unit.

Leechoonhwee said:
Nobody gives a damn about knox. For the common people, its there for warranty, other than that, nobody looking for 2nd hand note3 will specifically want a knox 0x0 unit.
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TheBeci said:
Anyone has idea how to install knox or is it possible when my knox flag is 0x1 !!!
At the moment when I try to install when I put the passford then all closed there becouse my phone is not authorised to use knox.
Thnx
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There is a way...and the only way.....change the main board...its a efuse....
Teleported from my SM-N9005 from the Enterprise

Leechoonhwee said:
Nobody gives a damn about knox. For the common people, its there for warranty, other than that, nobody looking for 2nd hand note3 will specifically want a knox 0x0 unit.
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+1
Just sell it here on xda when the time comes , i am sure whoever is interested here wouldn't mind.
No way to reset atm, and the bounty is ever growing on the remove 0x1 flag thread..