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KNOX FREE pre-rooted stock firmware

What does Knox Free mean in pre-rooted firmwares when they also say:
Attention Your KNOX WARRANTY VOID will be set to 0x1!! Think TWICE before flashing!!! ?

It means the built in knox software is removed from the rom.
But it will still void your warranty upon flashing.
Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk 4

So why they don't keep Knox software if warranty will be void any way?

It means
SJGSM said:
What does Knox Free mean in pre-rooted firmwares when they also say:
Attention Your KNOX WARRANTY VOID will be set to 0x1!! Think TWICE before flashing!!! ?
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that the App Knox and all related stuff will be removed from the rom. But KNOX has also an efuse (or most people think it is an efuse), which means if it detects a change of the bootloader and the flag goes from 0x0 to 0x1 (which you can see in the recovery mode) in which case you voit the warrant.
At the moment there is no known way to reset this.

So why don't keep Knox software?

SJGSM said:
So why don't keep Knox software?
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Its not the app or software within the rom that triggers the flag, its the change in the bootloader which has to be done in order to root your device. So whether you keep the apps or not, when you root, its over. Im not even sure if knox (the app) can be used after the flag is triggered

SJGSM said:
So why don't keep Knox software?
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Knox warranty status is different to knox software in the rom.
The warranty status changes from 0x0 to 0x1 upon flashing anything in download mode.
The Knox built in software adds complications to things such as rooting and installing/restoring apps not from play store. By removing built in knox apps, these apps work.
Sent from my SM-N9005 using xda app-developers app

danieljamie said:
Knox warranty status is different to knox software in the rom.
The warranty status changes from 0x0 to 0x1 upon flashing anything in download mode.
The Knox built in software adds complications to things such as rooting and installing/restoring apps not from play store. By removing built in knox apps, these apps work.
Sent from my SM-N9005 using xda app-developers app
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So there won't be any complications with flashing custom roms, we'll just lose KNOX and Warranty status? Correct? I have insurance, I'm not too worried about losing the warranty on my device, I just want root and the ability to flash custom roms with bloatware removed.

SJGSM said:
So why don't keep Knox software?
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You don't want the software because it does not play well with apps that require root or with restored apps. It's more of a pain. When I get my n3 I'm Def flashing a rom without knox just because the problems it's been causing on rooted phones.

monkey10120 said:
You don't want the software because it does not play well with apps that require root or with restored apps. It's more of a pain. When I get my n3 I'm Def flashing a rom without knox just because the problems it's been causing on rooted phones.
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Does this mean if I restore using Titanium on a rooted phone some of the Apps. wont work?
Also is Knox the reson for the locked Bootloader? or is that completely different?
By flashing a ROM without Knox does this "unlock" the bootloader?

Fox in Sox, sir, this Knox really gets my Box, sir!
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Richard.p said:
Does this mean if I restore using Titanium on a rooted phone some of the Apps. wont work?
Also is Knox the reson for the locked Bootloader? or is that completely different?
By flashing a ROM without Knox does this "unlock" the bootloader?
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You can use titanium but you will have to run a script after to stop the apps from force closing. Someone sent the fix to the app devs do they can fix it. I would really wait until tb has an update that fixes the restore problem.
And knox is a system underneath android that provides security. It doesn't cause the boot loader to be locked but just adds another annoyance after you unlock the bootloader. And in order to flash a rom you need to install a custom recovery which cannot be done on a locked bootloader. Hope I said it clear enough think of knox as a pissed off antivirus that will not let you install and blocks half of the stuff from running properly.

monkey10120 said:
You can use titanium but you will have to run a script after to stop the apps from force closing. Someone sent the fix to the app devs do they can fix it. I would really wait until tb has an update that fixes the restore problem.
And knox is a system underneath android that provides security. It doesn't cause the boot loader to be locked but just adds another annoyance after you unlock the bootloader. And in order to flash a rom you need to install a custom recovery which cannot be done on a locked bootloader. Hope I said it clear enough think of knox as a pissed off antivirus that will not let you install and blocks half of the stuff from running properly.
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Thanks for that, it's very clear :good:

Root N9000 without knox???

This is not a question
This is a Discussion
5 days ago i got gn3 and i didn't wanna root it then
but now i want 2 root
and i read all the talk about root it with knox will kill the phone
so i didnt open the app (knox) yet
and i can delete it
as u can see
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so if i delete knox
it want kill my phone when i root it
RIGHT ?????????????????

Wrong
and this IS a question

first of all this IS a question The interesting thing is my N9000Q (identical to N900 according to samsung) does not have anything about knox in Download mode just Binary status and Firmware status. The became Custom after rooting but when I flash an official rom, they both became official.

b00mb00mchuck said:
Wrong
and this IS a question
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muhtesem insan said:
first of all this IS a question The interesting thing is my N9000Q (identical to N900 according to samsung) does not have anything about knox in Download mode just Binary status and Firmware status. The became Custom after rooting but when I flash an official rom, they both became official.
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tnx 4 answering
so i cnt root
damn it

Does root De La Vega work on your device? Let's you root without tripping the Knox counter

aheadyar said:
This is not a question
This is a Discussion
5 days ago i got gn3 and i didn't wanna root it then
but now i want 2 root
and i read all the talk about root it with knox will kill the phone
so i didnt open the app (knox) yet
and i can delete it
as u can see
so if i delete knox
it want kill my phone when i root it
RIGHT ?????????????????
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No it will not kill your phone.
That part of knox is an app for security like any other app.
The knox warranty is only visible in download mode.
Some are reporting that there is no Knox flag on the 900 version. Basically the exynos version.
Also if it's a system app from Samsung you cannot delete unless you have root. You can only hide it and uninstall the updates to those apps!
Sent from my SM-N9005 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app

but, does the n900 have the boot flag witch sees if a device has been rooted?
muhtesem insan said:
first of all this IS a question The interesting thing is my N9000Q (identical to N900 according to samsung) does not have anything about knox in Download mode just Binary status and Firmware status. The became Custom after rooting but when I flash an official rom, they both became official.
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could you install the root and modded rom, and, after a reupload of original firmware, flags comes back to normal state???

iba21 said:
could you install the root and modded rom, and, after a reupload of original firmware, flags comes back to normal state???
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Exactly. and there's no KNOX flag. I could get OTA updates too without problem.

muhtesem insan said:
Exactly. and there's no KNOX flag. I could get OTA updates too without problem.
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You don't have the 0x0 flag??

iba21 said:
You don't have the 0x0 flag??
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Just this...

muhtesem insan said:
Just this...
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Monday i'll receve the n900.. i'll see if it has the flag.. thankyou!

muhtesem insan said:
Just this...
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Did you try ti root and come back by flashing original firmware?

This means it is safe to flash n root on exynos?
Sent from my SM-N900 using xda app-developers app

jetbruceli said:
No it will not kill your phone.
That part of knox is an app for security like any other app.
The knox warranty is only visible in download mode.
Some are reporting that there is no Knox flag on the 900 version. Basically the exynos version.
Also if it's a system app from Samsung you cannot delete unless you have root. You can only hide it and uninstall the updates to those apps!
Sent from my SM-N9005 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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so i can root with cf root and keep using knox ???????????
i dont have knox flag in download mode

muhtesem insan said:
Exactly. and there's no KNOX flag. I could get OTA updates too without problem.
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is that mean i can root with cf root
like i used 2 do with s3 with no problem ??????????

iba21 said:
Monday i'll receve the n900.. i'll see if it has the flag.. thankyou!
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there's no flag on n900

thank you all for answering
one last thing i wanna understand clearly
can i root cf root n have no problem like i used 2 do with s2 s3
ps the phone is very expensive in iraq i got it in 899 $
so did any one root safety on n900

thank you all for answering
one last thing i wanna understand clearly
can i root cf root n have no problem like i used 2 do with s2 s3
ps the phone is very expensive in iraq i got it in 899 $
so did any one root safety on n900

aheadyar said:
thank you all for answering
one last thing i wanna understand clearly
can i root cf root n have no problem like i used 2 do with s2 s3
ps the phone is very expensive in iraq i got it in 899 $
so did any one root safety on n900
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You can root without harming the phone easily but you could void warranty. I am not sure that not having a visible knox counter in N900 means there isn't a hidden one.

muhtesem insan said:
You can root without harming the phone easily but you could void warranty. I am not sure that not having a visible knox counter in N900 means there isn't a hidden one.
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tnx 4 ur answer
i dont care bwt warranty if root want harm my device
muhtesem insan said:
I am not sure that not having a visible knox counter in N900 means there isn't a hidden one.
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with time xda devs will find that out

[Q] knox warranty void 0x1 after official update ?

i updated with Kies3 from 4.3(sweden) to the new release of 4.3(sweden) that was suppose to fix some bugs etc.. but during the update i noticed that the knox was triggered ? how is that possible ?
since its triggered now, do i have to care about it anymore ? i dont need warranty since i repair myself but the updates will still come or not ?
Hmm, i didnt root or anything just because of not triggering it but now i got nothing to loose :S or should i report it to samsung/my provider ?
Q1: how did this happen ?
Q2: can i still update thrue knox when 4.4 release ?
Q3: does this mean i can root again without loosing anything ?
TY //DrBlaze

hagall said:
i updated with Kies3 from 4.3(sweden) to the new release of 4.3(sweden) that was suppose to fix some bugs etc.. but during the update i noticed that the knox was triggered ? how is that possible ?
since its triggered now, do i have to care about it anymore ? i dont need warranty since i repair myself but the updates will still come or not ?
Hmm, i didnt root or anything just because of not triggering it but now i got nothing to loose :S or should i report it to samsung/my provider ?
Q1: how did this happen ?
Q2: can i still update thrue knox when 4.4 release ?
Q3: does this mean i can root again without loosing anything ?
TY //DrBlaze
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How u noticed during the update the knox was triggered?
EDIT: I can't believe that u voided ur warranty updating it with Kies3. U are telling u didnt root ur phone before nobody ask u for it. What u was doing with ur phone sir REALLY?

how i noticed
Joku1981 said:
How u noticed during the update the knox was triggered?
EDIT: I can't believe that u voided ur warranty updating it with Kies3. U are telling u didnt root ur phone before nobody ask u for it. What u was doing with ur phone sir REALLY?
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i noticed when phone got into download mode or whatever its called... like this (not from my phone but it shows the same)
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hagall said:
i noticed when phone got into download mode or whatever its called... like this (not from my phone but it shows the same)
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I dont gona answer people confused. Take a look your Q3. U void ur warranty rooting ur phone before :silly:

Joku1981 said:
I dont gona answer people confused. Take a look your Q3. U void ur warranty rooting ur phone before :silly:
EDIT: Devs can close this thread pls
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No i didnt.. not on this phone.. dont put it to closure. i didnt get an answer.. get all the facts before doin that
DrBlaze. i9505 xda-premium app.

hagall said:
No i didnt.. not on this phone.. dont put it to closure. i didnt get an answer.. get all the facts before doin that
DrBlaze. i9505 xda-premium app.
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OK, so you have not rooted the phone before, but after the official update via Kies you have the Knox screwed up.
Well, the explanation is simple: Peter Pan had some... intense relationship with the dusty Fairy and this is the result.

hi,
my i9500 is KNOX 0x0 and i'm updating my official firmware on weekly-bases every time a new official firmware arrives.
i hope it answered your question.

Dont try to make me look dumb.. dig into it or simply dont answer.
DrBlaze. i9505 xda-premium app.

One more thing.. i got the first 4.3 release without knox triggered.. and i also got the wrong update. I got a branded update from Telenor, and i dont have telenor nor a branded phone..
EDIT: The update was mj7 to mk8, if im confusing u guys with 4.3 to 4.3 talk
DrBlaze. i9505 xda-premium app.

The same thing happened to me after updating my Note 3 via Kies, the Knox Warranty Void is 0x1 now.

princeferoz said:
The same thing happened to me after updating my Note 3 via Kies, the Knox Warranty Void is 0x1 now.
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Yea thats what i though, wasnt just me.. odd thing, now its to late tho for me since after i got no solution for it i rooted etc....

hagall said:
Yea thats what i though, wasnt just me.. odd thing, now its to late tho for me since after i got no solution for it i rooted etc....
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So this "official" update is triggering Knox for some people. I have emailed Samsung in regards to this but they want me to call to talk to someone in their Voice department. Wish there was some way to contact a manager or VP to inform them.

How to root 4.4.2?

Hi, I just bought the S4 LTE +
I was wondering how do I get it rooted and superuser installed? What is the best rom to have at the moment as well?
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likepeas said:
Hi, I just bought the S4 LTE +
I was wondering how do I get it rooted and superuser installed? What is the best rom to have at the moment as well?
Cheers.
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Beforce posting, read the forums topics. There you have all the answers!

SoRiNuS said:
Beforce posting, read the forums topics. There you have all the answers!
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Yeah I did do that. No one actually explains what to download and how to use it. You would had thought that I didn't try. I did use odin and flashed cwm and expected it to work, guess what it didn't. Upon entering recovery a error popped out and I was welcomed by the samsung recovery page. Hence i'm here looking for a way to root and get superuser that actually works.

likepeas said:
Yeah I did do that. No one actually explains what to download and how to use it. You would had thought that I didn't try. I did use odin and flashed cwm and expected it to work, guess what it didn't. Upon entering recovery a error popped out and I was welcomed by the samsung recovery page. Hence i'm here looking for a way to root and get superuser that actually works.
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First post
First post
You see, there are very well explained and , yes, they worked!

Well I followed the guide posted here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2529064
Got myself a clockwork from here : http://www.filefactory.com/file/5wsoycfxn7i5/CWM_6.0.4.6_Non-Touch_GT-I9506.tar
Flashed it via odin. Was hoping that it would finally work, but bam. Got an error again.
Any help at this point would be appreciated.
Cheers.

You didnt flashed the right version, its 6.0.4.8, and you didnt unchecked auto reboot. So, you didnt do it how the guide says.

Hello
I'm searching for knox 0x0 root method.
So far I've trayed towelroot and flashing older kernel and then rooting with towelroot, but 4.4.2 is not booting on stock 4.3 kernel so I'm in dead end.
Any other methods?
Wysłane z mojego GT-I9506

mar10o said:
Hello
I'm searching for knox 0x0 root method.
So far I've trayed towelroot and flashing older kernel and then rooting with towelroot, but 4.4.2 is not booting on stock 4.3 kernel so I'm in dead end.
Any other methods?
Wysłane z mojego GT-I9506
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Once updated to 4.4.2, you cannot downgrade to 4.3! You can only use Auto root from DeHwak thread. Towelroot doesnt work on 4.4.2 on i9506! There is no root option for i9506 without tripping knox!

Well, on some phones, you can downgrade easly. For example you can do it on s4 mini. It has 4.3 Brazilian firmware with new knox 2.0 bootloader.
Wysłane z mojego GT-I9506

Use autoroot from DeHawk post, He modified Chainfire autorrot to work on I9506. He also made it available here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2597058 in the end of first Post.
This Autorrot will trigger knox flag (works on 4.4.2) but if you don't care about it, go ahead and you will be Rooted. Don't forget to give him a thanks

pfbatista said:
Use autoroot from DeHawk post, He modified Chainfire autorrot to work on I9506. He also made it available here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2597058 in the end of first Post.
This Autorrot will trigger knox flag (works on 4.4.2) but if you don't care about it, go ahead and you will be Rooted. Don't forget to give him a thanks
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got it working thanks.

I am buying a new S4. Apparently it comes with 4.2x on it. So, should I root it from there or upgrade to 4.4.2 official? I was thinking if I did it from 4.2, I'd avoid the knox issue and then upgrade to a custom ROM later and still not have a knox problem.... or I am way off base?

Is there something new in root on 4.4.2 subject? I still want my knox status to be 0x0...

for stupid people like me in less then 5 minutes:
http://youtu.be/mtjCfguB8F8

Can I revert knox after root?

Hello,
I know that if I root my s8 I will lost knox services, but if I reset my phone to factory can knox be restored too?

never, knox is a literal fuse in your phone, and when it blows, its gone, no way of getting back, EVER

Knox triggers an e-fuse which permanently burns a block in memory which is irreversible

Kennyguh said:
Hello,
I know that if I root my s8 I will lost knox services, but if I reset my phone to factory can knox be restored too?
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Which phone do you have?
It matters because rooting your phone does not trigger the knox counter at all. Tools like cf auto root flash modified boot images to install root, and it is only that action alone that causes knox to increment.
The north american g95(0|5)(u|w) phones have locked bootloaders making knox increments impossible and they have had root since August of last year.

partcyborg said:
Which phone do you have?
It matters because rooting your phone does not trigger the knox counter at all. Tools like cf auto root flash modified boot images to install root, and it is only that action alone that causes knox to increment.
The north american g95(0|5)(u|w) phones have locked bootloaders making knox increments impossible and they have had root since August of last year.
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Don't tell nonsense: ROOTING and/or CUSTOM ROM ALWAYS triggers KNOX!

henklbr said:
Don't tell nonsense: ROOTING and/or CUSTOM ROM ALWAYS triggers KNOX!
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there are some methods which enable root in a light version! it's just without twrp or custom roms... but still stock rom with root. Sometimes that enough fo some people that only need a certain aspect of being rooted.
but to answer ops question. NO there is not going back unless you have a time machine which u can use and tell ur past self not to root.

henklbr said:
Don't tell nonsense: ROOTING and/or CUSTOM ROM ALWAYS triggers KNOX!
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False. Modifying boot.img trjggers knox counter. If you root without changing kernel or root filesystem, knox is not triggered. Every single snapdragon based samsung s8 and s7 and note8 and many more, every rooted Samsung with a locked bootloader that is rooted has 0x0 knox counter.
See for yourself.
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Please do not spread misinformation. It is difficult enough convincing people who are used to exynos devices that rooting is safe on knox counter with locked bootloader device.

Kennyguh said:
Hello,
I know that if I root my s8 I will lost knox services, but if I reset my phone to factory can knox be restored too?
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Use the PartCyborg way for the S8 will not trip knox
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Kennyguh said:
Hello,
I know that if I root my s8 I will lost knox services, but if I reset my phone to factory can knox be restored too?
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I have tripped Knox to but now I have flashed renovate rom 7.5 and it is set to 0x0 when booted. Nowhere to find that Knox tripped now.

pclord99 said:
I have tripped Knox to but now I have flashed renovate rom 7.5 and it is set to 0x0 when booted. Nowhere to find that Knox tripped now.
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Put phone in download mode and you will see Knox status
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TheGhost1951 said:
Put phone in download mode and you will see Knox status
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When I put my phone jn download mode you don't see that list in the left top no more. Only the download screen

pclord99 said:
When I put my phone jn download mode you don't see that list in the left top no more. Only the download screen
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Phone model # and rom version?
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TheGhost1951 said:
Phone model # and rom version?
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Galaxy S8+ G955F with renovate rom 7.5 Android 7.0 nougat based on stock Samsung software but all Samsung apps deleted

pclord99 said:
Galaxy S8+ G955F with renovate rom 7.5 Android 7.0 nougat based on stock Samsung software but all Samsung apps deleted
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Should be an app somewhere to show Knox status....tried googling it?
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TheGhost1951 said:
Should be an app somewhere to show Knox status....tried googling it?
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1j6g5VPnYDUOAxTtMTe3nBBSv7-CQxC2W/view?usp=drivesdk

pclord99 said:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1j6g5VPnYDUOAxTtMTe3nBBSv7-CQxC2W/view?usp=drivesdk
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So what is your problem if Knox not tripped?
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TheGhost1951 said:
So what is your problem if Knox not tripped?
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Nothing it was as answer on the head message from the guy that asked how to set Knox to 0x0. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

pclord99 said:
Nothing it was as answer on the head message from the guy that asked how to set Knox to 0x0. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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No problem
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pclord99 said:
When I put my phone jn download mode you don't see that list in the left top no more. Only the download screen
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You knox status is still 0x1, you are just running a kernel that ignores it in favor of a fake 0x0. If you flash stock kernel you will see 0x1 again.
Can you run samsung pay? Or secure folder?

Guys, the Snapdragon root method (SamPWND) does NOT trip Knox. But it's a limited root method as I think it uses an eng boot image, and the bootloader is still locked, so you can't flash custom ROMs or anything like that.
But yes, all true root methods do trip Knox. The ROMs may show it as being 0x0, but that's easy to spoof in software. As others have said, boot into Recovery and you'll see the true KNox status which cannot be spoofed