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So today I tried to use the S-pen to write in landscape mode and it is consistently 2-3mm below or in front of the tip. Port
This is ridiculous.
I have also tried using other Galaxy Note demo units in CPW and observe the same thing.
As a long time user of some recent Tablet PCs hp tm2, acer1820p, thinkpad x201t, thinkpad x220t, 3 of which use the same Wacom technology as in the note, I find the omission of a calibration utility absolutely crazy.
The line should fall exactly under the tip - period.
This is the most natural way to write. That is how a normal pen works and how Tablet PCs with Wacom technology work.
Anything other than that is unnatural.
We should not having to adjust to the S-pen.
The S-pen should adjust to us the owners of the device.
This now makes the S-Pen useless to me as it find it impossible to write with this thing...
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ChodTheWacko said:
Note the GNote is sensitive to stylus angle as well as the handedness pen setting. The 'natural' idea of putting the note on a table and drawing at a 90 angle is something that actually causes the note to freak out.
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Just noticed this bit of info in another thread...
I wonder if it's possible to disable this feature as I want to write with the note on a flat surface.
It changes based on your dominant writing hand. I can write notes for a long period of time very neatly, maybe your device is defective?
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I also have the same problem.
It really needs a calibration utility, but with the SDK that Samsung released, little chance to accomplish this.
xAnimal5 said:
It changes based on your dominant writing hand. I can write notes for a long period of time very neatly, maybe your device is defective?
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No it's not - I tested with other demo units to be sure.
True, and I feel the deviation away from the tip is not even constant... However, I managed to write quite a bit without issues if I do not look at the tip while writing. Also you can choose a particular point on the screen where you can tap the stylus to remember where exactly the point falls...
Hope Samsung fixes this quickly...
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Calm down, the spen is far from being unusable, it works nice, just make sure the accelerometer kicks in when you change the screen orientation so the phone is aware of it on a flat surface, otherwise yes, it will be off by a margin.
Its an extra step to do and it could be better for sure but it works
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I have also noticed that the S pen needs some calibration.
My S pen is also out of line with the display.
Strangely this only occurs when creating a note or when drawing.
Changing the settings from right to left handed does not solve my problem, but just makes it worse.
As I have understood the drawing line should start within one mm next to the S-pen (on the left or the right side depending on the settings).
Visually it should be like this (the dot is the S pen on the screen. The R is the place where the drawing line should start for right hand settings. The L is the same as the R, but for left hand settings)
R ● L
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My S pen does this... very annoying.
..R L
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.......When i use the S pen on the keyboard to type or swype the dot is perfectly calibrated.
Holy Crap, just noticed that it is exactly the same when typing or swyping….. aaargh it gets more annoying every time because I aware of it now….
Then that means its the smemo...
Hopefully with the sdk out, someones gonna make a better alternative.
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my first meeting with note was today and spen was useless. it is good for taking small notes and sketching small graphs but thats all. spen needs calibration needs better hand writing recognition and a different app for meetings. until they are made spen is only for making fun pictures and share them on social network or taking small notes.
Holding angle
I noticed that if you hold the pen at 90 degrees the tip is indeed 2mm below or to the right of writing.
However! I f you hold it at 60-70 degress - like you would normally do when writing (sllightly tilted towards you and also tilted to the right) - the tip it's perfectly aligned with the writing. Try this.
I've done some experimenting, and from what I can gather, the sensor (or rather capacitive element) is not at the tip, but back some. The device guesses at where the tip must be compared to the location of the capacitive element, based on right/left handedness, and the typical position/angle people hold the stylus at. I've made and attached an illustration showing how it works for right handed setup.
I have been using the Galaxy Note for 2 weeks, initially I have no s-pen accuracy problem. It's only these few days I realised that the s-pen is writing 2-3mm away from the point I'm writing.
Googled a lot of forums, and seems like no one is providing an effective solution. So I did a restart on my Galaxy Note, and now it is back to normal.
Hope my contribution helps. Sure hope you enjoy your Galaxy Note, because I enjoyed mine.
maxh said:
I've done some experimenting, and from what I can gather, the sensor (or rather capacitive element) is not at the tip, but back some. The device guesses at where the tip must be compared to the location of the capacitive element, based on right/left handedness, and the typical position/angle people hold the stylus at. I've made and attached an illustration showing how it works for right handed setup.
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You're right, and thank you for writing this.
This makes for a pretty annoying offset when working with the pen in any orientation other than -45° relative to the horizon.
What if I feel more comfortable working at +45°? I hope that now that the S-Pen SDK is available a calibration utility will be made.
I found a quirk on my Note (on Cassie's lite rom 2.2) that fixed all calibration issues for me.
I noticed that when I was writing, it consistantly showed up to the right of the pen nib, and it went even further right when I changed the handedness setting. On a whim, I turned my note to landscape to write and it seemed to align perfectly.
Thinking about it a bit, I re-enabled auto-rotation and EVERYTHING was fixed. Seems like one of the issues is that locking rotation fixes screen in portrait, but touchscreen layer locks in orientation that you deactivated rotation in.
tl;dr - reenable autorotation (then lock in desired orientation if necessary) to fix some if not all s-pen calibration issues
@IcyAirs: I can confirm that, getting to it independently on your post.
I take it you guys have checked the Pen settings ~ Settings/Pen Settings/Dominant Hand.
By Jove you're right !
This worked for me.Mindboggling.
( ROMOW V2 by mowmo )
IcyAirs said:
I found a quirk on my Note (on Cassie's lite rom 2.2) that fixed all calibration issues for me.
I noticed that when I was writing, it consistantly showed up to the right of the pen nib, and it went even further right when I changed the handedness setting. On a whim, I turned my note to landscape to write and it seemed to align perfectly.
Thinking about it a bit, I re-enabled auto-rotation and EVERYTHING was fixed. Seems like one of the issues is that locking rotation fixes screen in portrait, but touchscreen layer locks in orientation that you deactivated rotation in.
tl;dr - reenable autorotation (then lock in desired orientation if necessary) to fix some if not all s-pen calibration issues
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In my case, restarting the system usually solves the problem.
Just found out how to auto calibrate the S Pen. It works for me.
http://jjpda.blogspot.com/2012/01/how-to-calibrate-galaxy-note-s-pen.html
Hello all,
I've recently purchased my first android device and wow is it cool. I've installed several different ROM's on it (CM7 253, Cm7.1, CM9, Cm7.2). What I've noticed is that the bottom has some issues that may hardware issues.
When I'm in a draw program I cannot draw fluidly near the bottom near the N button. Also when I use the pointer control utility in settings (forgot the name) it is nice an fluid for all of the screen EXCEPT on the side where the N button is. It will seems to get sporadic and will make contact, and not and I'll get dots and dashes instead of a nice fluid line. The soft buttons work fine but require more of a firm push when position in portrait mode.
I'm thinking hardware? This is on a refurbished nook BTW.
I can't get to the device as it's under the tree (for my wife).
Can someone test this and tell me if yours can create a fluid line drawing near the edge where the N button is?
Thanks,
Zack
I bought 9 NCs as christmas presents this year, I had to return 3 of the due to hardware problems (Thankfully I tested all of them the day I got them).
One of the ones I returned had poor touch sensitivity on the bottom of the screen which got progressively worse over a few minutes of use. I had to retype several letters when I was putting in the wifi password then it went into standby and I couldn't unlock the lock screen because it wasn't detecting my swipe. It would just jiggle a little. By the time I took it to B&N it wouldn't even jiggle. You'll have to send it back to a place in Reno but going into B&N will save you some time on the phone.
The other 2 had busted wifi (no signal even in B&N) and a sticky power button (every couple of times you tapped it it would stick and turn the device off). There's also a few with blue tinted screens but I didn't want to return those and play refurb roulette again.
Oh, and I just did some drawing in canvas (the notion ink app) and other than having difficulty drawing a straight line my nook works just fine along all the edges.
Wife got the tablet today and loves it. I was just mucking around with it and found the nook screen recalibrator and that seemed to completely solve my problem! Whatever isin that magic potion is great.
yeah, there can sometimes me issues with the digitizer that are almost universally fixed by screen recalibration.
Hi everyone.
I've copied my post from Lenovo forum to show you that Pen Only mode at OS level is very necessary for people who write with their pen on Thinkpad .
and now, Since the root is achieved, I want to know that is there any chance for a developer to do such tweak ?
Post from Lenovo's Forum :
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manuelcalavera wrote:
Hello Everyone, this is a proof that why we need a Pen Only mode for the whole system . yes, since our tablet has digitizer, there should be an option to work with the tablet with just our pen . An option to disable the touch layer entirely so we can write like a human being ! ( apart from hitting the bars and activate menus )
just download the video that shows everything :
http://www.mediafire.com/?snoh86t9drdiw8w
As you can see, writing is a hard thing to do without any cloth under my hand or gloves on .As I demonstrated, each time this problem occurs, It will be gone entirely by puting something under my palm . and it wont happen 99 percents when I write completely on a cloth.
To Development Team : Please fix this problem, Pen is the only advantage of your product .
pressing and holding one of the physical keys would be a nice choice for activate/deactivate it . so people who has not pen, could deal with it .
I've gathered some other post related to this matter :
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I write all of my university courses in TPT and Ive been examining this issue every day. though this problem does not depend on the palm entirely , inking failure lowers to a really small percentage when you do not put your palm on the screen . for example I want to write PEN in a random coordinate of screen in a random part of random sentence . I stroke my pen down and move my hand to write the PEN down . it writes "P" and "N" very good but instead of "E", I can see nothing or in the best condition it writes only a dot --> "P. N" or "P N" Even though that IS a problem, It wouldnt if I could correct it. unfortunatley that certain area will be deactivate for a random amount of time . you can not write ANYTHING in that area during that time. not a single line . it will work nicely if you write a line from outside of that unspecific area into that area ! this shows theres no problem of inking in that position . and the funny thing is someother day this area had no problem and maybe tomorrow will be ok too even next page will be ok . imagin how hard it would be that random area, in a complex formula ! you will lose important amount of time to deal with tha mess. now palm thing comes in the story from this sequence; remember that unknown duration of time that you could not ink anything in that area ? well, if you put a cloth under your palm, it works so much better . Lenovo, too many people are losing trace of notes, too many disappointments just for this . how hard is it for your team to roll an update to add an option for turning the touch input off ? holding harware rotation key would be awesome choice
Rizzlomaniac wrote:
I have the same problem with my Thinkpad Tablet. It doesn't matter which app I use. I don't use any screen protector. As I have been enjoying the comfort of a stylus on a windows tablet before and was looking forward to move away from Microsoft with this tablet, I'm really disappointed to find, that the stylus I not usefull at all beeing that unresponsive. So please fix this issue as fast as possible or I will have to switch back to windows again!
juanayala85 wrote:
I was taking notes during a seminar last week and noticed that on the bundled Notes App, there were certain areas of the screen (middle left) where the pen just wouldnt respond at times. I would try a few times and then it would finally take the input, wondering if anyone else is having similar issues. I downloaded the WritePad application and it seems to be better there, also downladed Quill and saw that it was having similar issues so I'm wondering if its app related or hardware related. I'd love for the pen to start inking immediately as I start drawing, not start well after the stroke has begun.
Also note I have installed the Military Shield on the ThinkPad so not sure if this might have something to do with it also.
dgannon wrote:
I've seen the same thing (for me - a right hander - it normally shows up on the middle right side of the screen). To me it seems like the palm rejection in the note app is the problem.
I was able to get around this by placing a small cloth (the one I use for wiping the screen) under the heel of my hand while writing... since it is a capacitive screen, the cloth hides the palm and seems to make the pen behave better.
yahoowizard wrote:
I'm not sure if I have the same problem, but is it when you keep writing and suddenly, there are moments when nothing happens when you tap the pen, sometimes at a specific region? Over the past week or so, I've used the Writepad application for about 4 hours a day or so and what happens is, a while after writing, a region starts being a bit unresponsive. Either I keep tapping random buttons on the side or I try to make a stroke outside that region, then try to immediately write in the region I'm actually trying to write in. Locking the tablet, then unlocking it fixes the problem, but it's still annoying as it starts back up again in 10 minutes or some random time later.
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I agree. I am an artist and the dual screen sensor does get in the way of my art. I can manage, but would highly appreciate if it were able to switch on and off the compacitive touch function on demand.
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I dont see any actual development here
They announced that it will be built in in OTA3
It is on the Lenovo website - a post by bnsf
I spent several hours over the weekend rooting, unrooting, and re-rooting my new NST. Each time I rooted it, I ended up with a touchscreen problem where touches registered with the wrong column.
For example: when trying to use the backspace key, 'h' would also register. When trying to use 'p', 'e', or 'r', 'y' would also register. Both the key that I wanted and the central key would indicate a keypress (turn black) but only one of them would register in the text box. This is entirely dependent on software, but it's something that is cleared with the 8x failed boot restore and not with the two bottom buttons restore.
I have tried both TouchNooter and MinimalTouch twice. My latest attempt was MinimalTouch:
Start with a clean NST with software 1.0.1
Install 1.1 update (keyboard still works)
Follow MinimalTouch procedure
NST is rooted and android home screen is accessible, however, the keyboard no longer functions properly
Perform reset (hold bottom two buttons on startup)
Button Saver is gone, android home screen is not accessible, keyboard still does not function properly
Perform 8x reboot restore
Keyboard functions perfectly
Has anyone dealt with this before? I couldn't find anything with the search function.
Though this thread appears to be doing nothing, I will at least let you guys know of the current idea:
I have gone back and checked the touchscreen after each step in the procedure, and appears like the 1.1.2 update causes the problem.
Without any rooting or funky installs:
Perform 8-reboot reset
Touchscreen works fine, SW 1.0.1
Install 1.1.2
Touchscreen is impaired, SW 1.1.2
Perform 8-reboot reset
Touchscreen works fine, SW 1.0.1
Did the 1.1 update include a change in the touchscreen sensitivity?
How do I ensure that the IR sensors are clean? A shot of compressed air?
Should I just call B&N/sears and try to get a replacement that functions properly with the update?
I believe that I have determined the cause of my touchscreen difficulty:
The front bezel of my NST is not entirely glued down. I noticed that the spacing was irregular between the eink display, the black (really dark) plastic layer, and the top matte gray layer.
Squeezing my NST temporarily blocks the issue (until the glue re-expands)
The software updates must change the touchscreen sensitivity to some extent, causing the poor tolerance in my particular NST to result in inaccurate touchscreen response.
I'll be talking to the manufacturer or the seller (Sears) soon about a replacement unit.
I hope noone else has to figure their way through this with a brand new nook!
Sorry for resurrecting a death thread. But my nook simple touch (which was rooted and had button saviour etc), slowly started having problems with touch. Now since 2 days, touch screen isn't working anymore, no matter how much cleaning I do to the bezels. I can't even open it due to the slider lock screen. Don't know what to do. I would be happy to settle with a button-based navigation, all I want to do is to read epubs. Any help greatly appreciated. I can prob for problems. I have a rooted nst1 which I haven't tinkered since 2012.
If this isn't the right place, I will start a new thread.
TIA
Forthe55 said:
Sorry for resurrecting a death thread. But my nook simple touch (which was rooted and had button saviour etc), slowly started having problems with touch. Now since 2 days, touch screen isn't working anymore, no matter how much cleaning I do to the bezels. I can't even open it due to the slider lock screen. Don't know what to do. I would be happy to settle with a button-based navigation, all I want to do is to read epubs. Any help greatly appreciated. I can prob for problems. I have a rooted nst1 which I haven't tinkered since 2012.
If this isn't the right place, I will start a new thread.
TIA
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Have you tried swiping two fingers across the screen from right to left? This is not my original idea but someone else long ago delivered me from your situation with this simple tip. If I ever knew the explanation, I have forgotten it. Probably something with the multi-touch kernal. It will even work on an unresponsive lock screen. I still use it on occasion, so something triggers the behavior, but it is generally infrequent.
If that doesn't work to restore functionality then something more dire has happened.
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Now since 2 days, touch screen isn't working anymore.
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Your swipe lockscreen may present a problem.
I don't see any entry in the settings on my NST, so I don't know how to disable it.
You can download my Touch-1.0.apk from the signature.
That will help you debug the tricky IR paths.
All the lines should be light gray, darker lines indicate an occlusion.
The corners are always difficult and you may have a line or two dark.
The problems are either dirt on the bezel or the bezel/filter/display coming unglued.
You can install and run it (without a launcher or touch screen):
Code:
C:\>adb install Touch-1.0.apk
C:\>adb shell am start -n com.temblast.touch/.Touch
I am sure that my nook is rooted , but adb isn’t working. May be usb debugging isn’t on. The problem is that I can’t even unlock it past the “drag to unlock” screen. Now I have to find out how to enable adb without having a working touchscreen to install the touch1.apk.
The two finger swipe isn’t working. I used to draw a single finger across the borders clockwise, which used to help calibrate the touch , not working anymore.
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Maybe usb debugging isn’t on.
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Well, you should be able to tell.
There are three ways to interact with a running Nook:
Touch screen
ADB over USB or WiFi
Hardware root console
You seem to say that the first two don't work.
You can also try a factory reset or recovery.
There is the whole OmapLink thread that describes how to unbrick an NST.
Here is the middle of the thread, you might need to read before and after:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/nook-touch/general/root-nook-glowlight-t2853056/page6
I did a factory reset and the nook is at startup screen with the NEXT button, which obviously can’t be pressed. So the touch issue is definitely “hardware-related “. Few days back I travelled to a hot and humid place , carrying my nook and the soft rubber part in the front of the bezel, started coming of. No matter how much I clean the bezel , this time touch isn’t coming back. I am wondering whether there’s any way to disassemble and readjust the ir sensor for touch.
Renate NST said:
The problems are either dirt on the bezel or the bezel/filter/display coming unglued.
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It's stuck together with the standard super-double-stick tape.
It's hypersensitive to the slightest bending up or down of any of the layers.
Without ADB and diagnostics (like Touch-1.0.apk) it's impossible to figure out which bit of the edge is out of whack.
It sounds like you only have two options:
Get the hardware console working with a 1.8V level shifter and a UART.
(Easy for me, may not be easy for you.)
Use OmapLink to boot an image that has ADB running (like Noogie or CWMR)
and enable ADB on your main image.
I remember rooting it in 2012 with some image burned on my SD card. Is there a way to again root with the help of an SD card without involving touching the screen with adb enabled rom. That way I can install the diagnostic app and dismantle it to prob further.
Sorry, it's been so long that I forget all this stuff.
Yeah, if you put Noogie on an SD card, I believe that it will boot from there.
With the OmapLink and Windows 10 it can be a bear sometimes to get the three (all the same) drivers working.
Windows 10 is really crappy on recognizing/capturing USB devices that appear briefly.
I can't get W10 to see 0451/d00e
My Raspberry Pi grabs it immediately:
Code:
[ 60.061477] usb 1-1.3: new high-speed USB device number 4 using dwc_otg
[ 60.202744] usb 1-1.3: New USB device found, idVendor=0451, idProduct=d00e
[ 60.202756] usb 1-1.3: New USB device strings: Mfr=33, Product=37, SerialNumber=0
[ 60.202766] usb 1-1.3: Product: OMAP3630
[ 60.202774] usb 1-1.3: Manufacturer: Texas Instruments
[ 63.348937] usb 1-1.3: USB disconnect, device number 4
It appears for 3 seconds from a cold power up, that's too quick for W10 to do anything.
I saw a video on YouTube on screen replacement, with complete disassembly and assembly. Opened the nst , took out the screen from the bezel (keeping the screen and the aluminium metal frame intact, too much sticky tape there), wiped everything clean, reassembled everything back. Still the same problem. I am wondering, even if I somehow get to install and run the diagnostic app, what kind of hardware alterations we need to do. Since the infrared touch LEDs are on the back of the motherboard, what kind of alignment would be necessary.
Is it to the metal frame or the plastic bezel, do we need to tinker?
Did you use new tape?
I think that everything has to be really tight and old tape seems to leave gaps.
There is also the possibility that the MSP340 has lost its mind.
I'll have to look at my oldest NST.
I haven't detached the screen from the metal frame. But the screen attachment to the front bezel seems to be attached to a plastic ribbon which was partially coming out of the front frame. It was sticky so I reattached the screen/metal frame back to it the front plastic part. Now when I see the screen up front, the bezel space/gap between the screen and the black plastic part is uneven. I don't thing that can be repaired as the front black part is disintegrating. Three of my four page turn buttons are no more attached to the frame, I have kept them there with tape.
Well, I completely cleaned with Goo-Be-Gone and isopropyl alcohol the bezel, the filter and the display.
I redid everything with 4mm Tesa film: https://www.microcenter.com/product/507366/tesa-double-sided-tape-4-mm-wide
The horizontal spans (except for the corners) are good, the vertical spans are still problematical.
You can lightly press and warp the bezel and things go in and out.
I think that I'm throwing in the towel on this one.
Reasons to dump the NST: Android 2.1, 256M RAM, OMAP3621 not being further developed by B&N
Reasons to keep the NST: Only Nook with a bare eInk (no backlight layer, no capacitive layer)
Don’t know about the filter, but the bezel looks very fragile to handle. I also believe that the time has come to retire it. But what I liked the most about nst was it’s screen and ability to side load books via wifi. I had gmail and opera mini installed on it. All I needed was to send a link to gmail to download the book, after the Dropbox support was gone. I am searching for a similar ebook reader. Can’t decide between Kindle paper white(which is available locally) and nook glow light 3(which has to be imported). Any suggestions welcome.
Well, the "filter" or "lens" or "light pipe" is what I'm calling the flimsy green translucent piece.
I've never even looked at the Kindles. I don't want to get involved with that whole ecosystem.
The Glow3 is physically almost the same as the NST.
I've got enough devices with browsers on them.
I use my Nooks with WiFi off and sync with USB (ADB & AdbSync).
Hi guys,
I recently purchased a used Tegra Note 7 on eBay. As I'm in the UK it's the Advent Vega variety, although I don't know if that is relevant as they all appear to be the same unit; can someone confirm?
Anyway, I have noticed that every so often I lose touch response along the left or bottom edge of the screen, where the nav-bar would be in either portrait or landscape modes. This sometimes results in me having difficulty pressing the back or home button, or having difficulty selecting the settings button in the bundled camera app (this sits at the top-left of the screen). Another annoyance I found in the YouTube app; when scrolling through videos to watch, it would load the first video my finger landed on, but then continue scrolling. It's like it registers my first touch as a 'click' then realises I actually want to perform a continuous movement.
Having read a few posts scattered across the net about various touch-screen issues and some apparent software fixes, I wonder if I should stick with the tablet and wait for Lollipop to fix everything(!), or send it back on the assumption that this is an inherent fault. Because I may end up sending the tablet back, I'm hesitant to try any software fixes that require unlocking the bootloader and installing a custom recovery.
So what is the general consensus? Is the hardware flaky on these devices, or is software to blame?
I wasn't pleased when I found out that the UK models are Advent Vega (I experienced many issues with their first budget device, which was pretty horrible), but hoped all Tegra Notes were built equally regardless of the market.
Thanks in advance.
Today I was watching YouTube in reverse-landscape mode (so that the hinge on the flip case was at the top), and I couldn't click the search button at the top right of the app. It just would not register. Five minutes later, it starts working.
What's the deal with these screens?
Well, it's going back to the seller. I had no confidence in the device being able to give me hassle-free use throughout its life.
Plus there doesn't seem to be much of a community. Weird how this tablet seems to have gone under the radar.
HELLO-O-O-o-o-? ECHO-O-O-o-o-.
I get the touch screen issues occasionally too. I find that just turning the screen off and then back on usually fixes the issue.
Still it is bloody irritating!
I am miffed at the lack of community support for this device too. I thought that given the price and the fact that unlocking the bootloader is so easy that the dev community would have been all over this tablet. Shame.
Yeah it's a strange one for sure. It's still one of the most powerful tablets around, runs almost pure Android, has front-facing speakers, a half-decent stylus, easy to unlock like you say, and is an absolute bargain.
The Shield Tablet looks absolutely awesome though, hopefully that ends up with more of a following.