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An f2.0 lens and 13 megapixel camera with optical image stabilization capture great photos in daylight and low light. Using advanced computational photography technology and HDR+, the pre-installed Google Camera does the heavy lifting so you can effortlessly take great photos.
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Luckily it doesn't seem to be the same camera found on the Moto X (2014). Different sensor perhaps?
Moto X 2nd gen has the Sony IMX135
Nexus 6 has the Sony IMX214 (same as oneplus)
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Moto X 2nd gen has the Sony IMX135
Nexus 6 has the Sony IMX214 (same as oneplus)
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Which one is better?
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Which one is better?
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http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/new_pro/april_2014/imx214_e.html
214. The OnePlus One can take some great pictures. The N6 should be similar if not equal but I am concerned that the camera app won't take full advantage of what that sensor can do. Hopefully it will.
It's super interesting to me that the front-facing camera has 1.4um pixel size vs the 1.12um.. even smaller than the Nexus 5's. I guess they prioritized good low-lighting shots for selfies not photos.
The hardware seems to be there. Google just needs to develop the software to take advantage of the hardware. Heck, even the Nexus 5 has decent camera hardware.. The software is where it was lacking.
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Moto X 2nd gen has the Sony IMX135
Nexus 6 has the Sony IMX214 (same as oneplus)
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Where did you find this info? For the Nexus 6?
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Where did you find this info? For the Nexus 6?
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http://www.motorola.com/us/Nexus-6/nexus-6-motorola-us.html
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http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/new_pro/april_2014/imx214_e.html
214. The OnePlus One can take some great pictures. The N6 should be similar if not equal but I am concerned that the camera app won't take full advantage of what that sensor can do. Hopefully it will.
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The important thing to keep in mind here is that this is a 1/3 sensor, like all other sensors out their in flagship phones these days. There is only so much you can do with a 1/3 sensor. So it will be fine, but nothing special. 1/3 sensors first debuted in phones, in 2006 with the Nokia N93 (at the time an advance over the 1/4 sensors). So this is eight year old tehnology. And yet it is the status quo in today's phones.
The only notable exception, I know of, is the Galaxy S5 that has a 1/2.5 sensor (and also the Xperia Z3 I think). The S5 takes pretty good photos. Nothing else is going to be as good as the S5. I promise the Nexus 6 will not hold a candle to the S5. The Z3 is not so good as the S5 for somewhat inexplicable reasons; I don't know why Sony can't get their act together, despite being the supplier of sensors to so many other companies, but the cameras in their recent phones have consistently underperformed.
And of course there is the Nokia 1020 with a huge 1/1.5 sensor and the Nokia 808 with and even huger 1/1.2 sensor, that's phsically five times larger than a 1/3 sensor. Those are great camera phones. But you have to sacrifice thinness to have sensors like that. Then there's the four year old Nokia N8 with a 1/1.8 sensor that still eclipses todays best of the best. And even the five year old Nokia N86 has a 1/2.5 sensor that takes as good photos as any phone today, including the S5.
Physical sensor size (not megapixels) matters because it allows the camera to take in more light, render colors better, have less noise, and perform better in low light. Everything else is pretty much gimmicks and fiddling around the edges (except OIS is a nice feature, I think--and resolution and frame rates for video has gotten better--though 4K seems like a stupid exercise when no one has a computer screen or television that can render that level of resolution).
Anyway, so the Nexus 6 has just another medicore 1/3 sensor that will take fine snapshots. Mainly it is an advance over previous Nexus phones that had subpar cameras, but other than that it is just catching up to the mediocre pack of today's flagship pones. If you want the best camera in a normal phone, get an S5. If you want a truly great camera and can stand Windows Phone or the defunct Symbian OS, get a Nokia 1020 or Nokia 808. Everything else is just whatever.
Isn't the Note 4 better than the S5 in terms of camera performance?
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The important thing to keep in mind here is that this is a 1/3 sensor, like all other sensors out their in flagship phones these days. There is only so much you can do with a 1/3 sensor. So it will be fine, but nothing special. 1/3 sensors first debuted in phones, in 2006 with the Nokia N93 (at the time an advance over the 1/4 sensors). So this is eight year old tehnology. And yet it is the status quo in today's phones.
The only notable exception, I know of, is the Galaxy S5 that has a 1/2.5 sensor (and also the Xperia Z3 I think). The S5 takes pretty good photos. Nothing else is going to be as good as the S5. I promise the Nexus 6 will not hold a candle to the S5. The Z3 is not so good as the S5 for somewhat inexplicable reasons; I don't know why Sony can't get their act together, despite being the supplier of sensors to so many other companies, but the cameras in their recent phones have consistently underperformed.
And of course there is the Nokia 1020 with a huge 1/1.5 sensor and the Nokia 808 with and even huger 1/1.2 sensor, that's phsically five times larger than a 1/3 sensor. Those are great camera phones. But you have to sacrifice thinness to have sensors like that. Then there's the four year old Nokia N8 with a 1/1.8 sensor that still eclipses todays best of the best. And even the five year old Nokia N86 has a 1/2.5 sensor that takes as good photos as any phone today, including the S5.
Physical sensor size (not megapixels) matters because it allows the camera to take in more light, render colors better, have less noise, and perform better in low light. Everything else is pretty much gimmicks and fiddling around the edges (except OIS is a nice feature, I think--and resolution and frame rates for video has gotten better--though 4K seems like a stupid exercise when no one has a computer screen or television that can render that level of resolution).
Anyway, so the Nexus 6 has just another medicore 1/3 sensor that will take fine snapshots. Mainly it is an advance over previous Nexus phones that had subpar cameras, but other than that it is just catching up to the mediocre pack of today's flagship pones. If you want the best camera in a normal phone, get an S5. If you want a truly great camera and can stand Windows Phone or the defunct Symbian OS, get a Nokia 1020 or Nokia 808. Everything else is just whatever.
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This was very informative. This really relieves me of not being so down about not having the imx214 in the Moto X 2014
Also, hello again. I've seen you before in the Moto X 2014 forums lol
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Isn't the Note 4 better than the S5 in terms of camera performance?
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It should be, if it is using the same sensor as s5. On top of that, it is using OIS. The Note 4 should be the new benchmark in terms of camera quality for Android
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What about this camera compared to the LG G3? My G3 takes the best photos I've ever had from a phone. The megapixel count is the same between the two, but it has a Sony IMX135.. and it has that laser autofocus which is pretty nice for fast shots.
Also, what about the N6 being f2.0 aperture over the typical 2.2 or 2.4?
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I'm not into phablets, so I don't know much about the Note 4. It looks like it has a Sony IMX240 sesnor, with a 1/2.6 sensor, so slightly smaller than the 1/2.5 sensor in the S5. It does have OIS though, which should help with longer exposures in low light. The S5 has an "Isocell" sensor, which is supposed to have barriers between pixels that helps improve color accuracy and sharpness (see: http://connect.dpreview.com/post/0315472077/samsung-explains-the-galaxy-s5-isocell-sensor). I know the S5 has atypically good color accuracy for a phone, though part of that is a choice on Samsungs part not to favor in the post-processing the oversaturated colors that many people like (i.e. that many people mistake for better photos--people often find more accurate colors to look washed out). Anyway, since Samsung usually does a good job in their flagships, I would not be surprised if the Note 4 is comparable or slightly better than the S5. But it's going to be minor differences, I think.
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This was very informative. This really relieves me of not being so down about not having the imx214 in the Moto X 2014
Also, hello again. I've seen you before in the Moto X 2014 forums lol
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Yes, the new Nexus phone and the 2nd Gen. Moto X are the two phones I'm looking at to replace my Nexus 4, so I've been hanging around both forums. For the moment I'm just trying to get over my raging disappointment that the Nexus 6 really is a huge 6" phablet. Sigh. It does have some nice upgrades over the 2nd Gen. Moto X, I think. (Though if it lacks the four microphone noise cancellation in the Moto X, that's a deal killer for me--I haven't been able to confirm anything about this yet.)
I wouldn't worry about the different sensors in the phones much. They're both fine and more or less in the same ballpark of quality, as 1/3 sensors. OIS on the Nexus 6 is nice and should help with low light photography (and video), that's the biggest difference, depending how important that is to you. In good light, I doubt you'd see much difference between the cameras. For just general snapshots of friends and things like that, I think all these phones are fine.
As I said above, I think people make way too big a deal of the differences between cameras in current flagships. Handset makers try to make a big deal out of small differences, for the sake of competition, because they can't acknowledge the truth that they've all just decided the eight year old technology of 1/3 sensors is good enough and they'd rather make super thin phones. If you're the sort of person who's really going to get into the small differences between one flagship with a 1/3 sensor and another, then you're probably the sort of person that would appreciate an S5 more, because of it's 1/2.5 sensor, and you're probably the sort of person will to take the Windows Phone plunge so you can get the truly amazing Nokia 1020 with it's 1/1.5 sensor and many other advantages (mechanical shutter, OIS, Xenon flash, pixel binning for over sampling, lossless digital zooming).
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What about this camera compared to the LG G3? My G3 takes the best photos I've ever had from a phone. The megapixel count is the same between the two, but it has a Sony IMX135.. and it has that laser autofocus which is pretty nice for fast shots.
Also, what about the N6 being f2.0 aperture over the typical 2.2 or 2.4?
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The LG G3 has the same IMX135 sensor as the 2nd Gen Moto X, but also has OIS. It's prefectly good, but still yet another 1/3 sensor. It's the same sensor in the LG G2, the Note 3, the Galaxy S4, and a bazillion other phones, so it shouldn't be meaningfully different from any of them, except for the potential low light advantage of OIS. (Check this out to see just how many phones have Sony sensors in them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exmor).
That being said OIS is not a miracle cure for smaller sensors. Neither is the f2.0 aperature on the Nexus 6. They're nice features, but you can only do so much with a smaller 1/3 sensor. Again, these are all ways manufacturers are trying to fiddle around to make the best out of mediocre sensors. The S5 and even the five year old Nokia N86 with 1/2.5 sensors will do almost as well in low light as a phone with OIS (I think the f2.0 will make less of a difference than OIS). And, again, the huge 1/1.8, 1/1.5, 1/1.2 sensors in the Nokia N8, 1020, and 808 (respectively) are going to way out perform a 1/3 sensor with OIS in low light (as well as in every other situation)--and of course the 1020 also has OIS, on top of a huge sensor.
At this point, I don't really know why all flaghips don't have OIS. It has some benefits. And it's stupid to have to choose between a mediocre 1/3 sensor with OIS and a larger 1/2.5 sensor without OIS. It's like two different choices of how to shoot yourself in the foot.
All that to say, I still think these are all pretty minor differences between phones with more or less similar image making capabilities. I wouldn't choose between the LG G3, Moto X, or Nexus 6 for the camera. I might (might) choose the S5 for the camera, but I hate Samsung phones, so I really wouldn't ever get an S5. If the camera really was the main issue to me, I'd get a Nokia 1020 and enter the wonderful world of Windows Phone (which I think is under rated as an interface anyway). But that's really for the serious photographers.
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A final word to the wise. Take the reviews of phone cameras you see online with a huge grain of salt. There are very few sites that do a good job and know what they are talking about. Most site reviewers are essentially amature photographers, making incredibly subjective judgments about images, with no real knowledge of how to take photos in a way that allow for good comparisons, and overplay the differences between today's phones (since they get the phones for free to review, they also have huge conflicts of interest and will mostly avoid saying anything too negative--like acknowledging that the differences between these phones a relatively minor). Dpreview.com is probably the best site I know of.
Great read dude. I've owned several Samsung's and nexus phones. None could take the quality pics my HTC DNA could. Would that be software related? I loved that damn phone.
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Great read dude. I've owned several Samsung's and nexus phones. None could take the quality pics my HTC DNA could. Would that be software related? I loved that damn phone.
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I'm not especially familiar with the DNA and can't find any information about its sensor, although it appears to have a decent f2.0 aperature. Seems like it had the same sensor as the HTC One X, which was a 1/3.2 backside illuminated CMOS sensor. Reviews seem to find that the HTC One, with it's ultrapixels, took better (more color accurate) photos.
Perhaps there was just something about how the DNA did post-processing on the images that you subjectively liked better.
This is a good example of how sensors have stayed in the 1/3 ballpark for a long time and an older phone can be just as good as today's "flagships," which is basically the point I've been making.
I think the Nexus 5 that your signature says you have (like the Nexus 4 before it) has as somewhat subpar camera by the current standards. So it's understandable that coming from the DNA you could be having a worse experience--though the Nexus 5 has a similar 1/3.2 sensor and OIS. The Nexus 6, if you're' in the market for one, ought to be a decent improvement over the Nexus 5 and better than the DNA. Especially since the Nexus 6 has OIS, on top of a newer and slightly larger 1/3.06 sensor. But, still, I think they are all in the same general range as cameras.
What's with the 30 fps stat listed on the google and moto specific pages... Up to 4k recording but no slow motion capture. I thought the OPO does slo mo.
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So if both the one + and the nexus 6 have the same camera, would the difference be night shots with flash?
I don't really know how software will play in, but I hope that the nexus 6 is more crisp than moto x. Hard to decide between this or an One+.
I also wonder why the people that are disappointed with the nexus 6's price and/or screen size don't get a one + instead.
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So if both the one + and the nexus 6 have the same camera, would the difference be night shots with flash?
I don't really know how software will play in, but I hope that the nexus 6 is more crisp than moto x. Hard to decide between this or an One+.
I also wonder why the people that are disappointed with the nexus 6's price and/or screen size don't get a one + instead.
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Because the stupid invite system ...you still can't get the freaking phone ....
One + is not available for Verizon as far as I know, or I would consider it.
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So if both the one + and the nexus 6 have the same camera, would the difference be night shots with flash?
I don't really know how software will play in, but I hope that the nexus 6 is more crisp than moto x. Hard to decide between this or an One+.
I also wonder why the people that are disappointed with the nexus 6's price and/or screen size don't get a one + instead.
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From a hardware point of view, the main difference will be that the Nexus 6 has OIS (optical image stabilization) and the OnePlus One does not. This should improve photography in low light, allowing for longer exposures. And it will allow for more fluid and stable video, when moving the camera and shooting at the same time. The OnePlus One does have digital image stablization, which OnePlus made a big deal about, but digital image stablization sucks and reviews of the OnePlus One demonstrated this, as if it really needed to be demonstrated yet again on another device.
There could be software differences, in terms of how the phones post-process the images. The OnePlus One, like many phones, produces over-saturated colors, because people tend to like that better (they see the bright colors and think it is a better photo, even though it is an inaccurate representation of the colors in the actual scene). I wouldn't hold my breath for Google choosing to do something different, however. Over-saturated colors are pretty much the norm, not many phones go for more realistic colors. Also, phones sometimes vary on how much sharpening they apply in post processing. Again, sharpening creates the superficial appearance of a sharper image, but actually eliminates detail in the photo, if you zoom way in. Of course, these are things that can be corrected later with image editing software, if you care.
We'll really have to wait for reviews on high quality sites, like Dpreview, before we know if the Nexus 6 and OnePlus One vary at all in how they do post-processing.
So, did the DxO Partnership help ? Haven't seen the score ANYWHERE... Not even OP marketing..
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So, did the DxO Partnership help ? Haven't seen the score ANYWHERE... Not even OP marketing..
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I might be wrong but it seems to me that DxO still hasn't tested the OP5.
And, in fact OP doesn't even mention DxO when they announced the OP5 so maybe they dropped the partnership before announcement.
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And, in fact OP doesn't even mention DxO when they announced the OP5 so maybe they dropped the partnership before announcement.
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That's what I was surprised about ... They claimed focus on camera, claimed partnership.. my guess is either the score was low so they didn't publish or they dropped the partnership..
I thought Pixel DXO score was released before the phone released.. so I doubt the performance not being upto par for OP5 for not releasing the details.
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That's what I was surprised about ... They claimed focus on camera, claimed partnership.. my guess is either the score was low so they didn't publish or they dropped the partnership..
I thought Pixel DXO score was released before the phone released.. so I doubt the performance not being upto par for OP5 for not releasing the details.
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I take 5 minutes to search a little and I'm pretty confident that the partnership is over (and I even have doubt that there really was one to begin with, but that's only my opinion, I have no facts to support this)
First of all, DxO never announced the partnership. Only OP did it while ordinary, DxO seems to announce when they partner with other companies.
And secondly, their is no sign of OP on the partner page of DxO.
So I see no reason to think the partnership is still running.
Edit : Note that the OP5 is still not officially released so maybe we might have a surprise when sells begin on the 27th.
But I doubt it since the embargo is already over.
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Shooting with DXO
We’ve always thought of photography as one of the most important aspects of any smartphone. In recent years, we’ve made great strides in lifting our cameras to a new standard. But, sometimes the best way to move forward is by joining forces with a partner who truly knows what they’re doing. French-based DXO has long been known for their keen understanding of photography in all of its shapes and sizes. With their help, we’re confident we can deliver a truly outstanding photography experience with the OnePlus 5.
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We’ve always thought of photography as one of the most important aspects of any smartphone. In recent years, we’ve made great strides in lifting our cameras to a new standard. But, sometimes the best way to move forward is by joining forces with a partner who truly knows what they’re doing. French-based DXO has long been known for their keen understanding of photography in all of its shapes and sizes. With their help, we’re confident we can deliver a truly outstanding photography experience with the OnePlus 5.
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Yeah, I know that OP announced that they will partner with DxO but don't you find strange that DxO never released any statements on this subject ?
Usually, both partners make PR to announce that they will work together but this time only one of them did it while the other just said nothing.
Plus, this is the first time that DxO works with a manufacturer to make a camera in a smartphone which is a serious step forward for them. I find very surprising that they don't talk AT ALL about it.
If I have to guess, I would say that OP just brought some algorithm and/or software from DxO and that they call it "partnership".
Again, I have no evidence that I'm right but the situation is, at least, very very surprising.
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First of all, DxO never announced the partnership.
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No, of course not... lol
And who cares - the DxO test are just bollocks As meaningless as synthetic benchmarks for the phone
So lying is ok for ya all?
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So lying is ok for ya all?
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OP tends to lie about a lot of things. They probably never really had a partnership.
I will have to stop taking DxO Mark seriously if they still rate OP5 high. This is how it compares with 2015 Samsung S6 in low light.
Google Drive - OnePlus 5 vs Samsung S6 low light
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And who cares - the DxO test are just bollocks As meaningless as synthetic benchmarks for the phone
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DxO is pretty bad these days but the rubbish One Plus is coming out with, cheating at bench marks, hyping up their poor camera etc is 100x worse!
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I will have to stop taking DxO Mark seriously if they still rate OP5 high. This is how it compares with 2015 Samsung S6 in low light.
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Wow! Not good.
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I will have to stop taking DxO Mark seriously if they still rate OP5 high. This is how it compares with 2015 Samsung S6 in low light.
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Wow! Not good.
The Camera will surely improve over time, just give them a few more weeks/months to improve the software
Just wait Oneplus 6 is gonna have a ground breaking camera!!
Starting the hype train early!!
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Just wait Oneplus 6 is gonna have a ground breaking camera!!
Starting the hype train early!!
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OnePlus will launch OP 5T with camera corrections; just like 3T was launched with updated front cam and more battery. This way they can increase prices twice a year. Who would want to give up opportunity to milk customers twice a year!!
On a serious note regarding camera; and for people hoping for camera to be improved with updates:
The EXIF data in those images (in my previous post) can tell you how much OnePlus 5 is struggling in low light.
ISO is way up in those images; that is a sign that the software improvement will have to be ground breaking. You can see sample 4 comparison where I have set OP5 at same ISO and Shutter as S6 to know how much improvement it would actually take to make it matter.
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DxO is pretty bad these days but the rubbish One Plus is coming out with, cheating at bench marks, hyping up their poor camera etc is 100x worse!
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Wow! Not good.
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Wow! Not good.
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I don't defend OP but I could not care less about DxO. Totally worthless reviews and just plain crap. Cant understand that they become some sort of standard in camera benchmarks in phones
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OnePlus will launch OP 5T with camera corrections; just like 3T was launched with updated front cam and more battery. This way they can increase prices twice a year. Who would want to give up opportunity to milk customers twice a year!!
On a serious note regarding camera; and for people hoping for camera to be improved with updates:
The EXIF data in those images (in my previous post) can tell you how much OnePlus 5 is struggling in low light.
ISO is way up in those images; that is a sign that the software improvement will have to be ground breaking. You can see sample 4 comparison where I have set OP5 at same ISO and Shutter as S6 to know how much improvement it would actually take to make it matter.
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I have a feeling you are spot on about the 5T. I can see this being my last Oneplus device
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OnePlus will launch OP 5T with camera corrections; just like 3T was launched with updated front cam and more battery. This way they can increase prices twice a year. Who would want to give up opportunity to milk customers twice a year!!
On a serious note regarding camera; and for people hoping for camera to be improved with updates:
The EXIF data in those images (in my previous post) can tell you how much OnePlus 5 is struggling in low light.
ISO is way up in those images; that is a sign that the software improvement will have to be ground breaking. You can see sample 4 comparison where I have set OP5 at same ISO and Shutter as S6 to know how much improvement it would actually take to make it matter.
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They're using a small pixel sensor again with the OP5, of course it'll struggle in low light. It's like they've said they're improving the camera and not actually done anything. No amount of software updates will fix the small sensors, not only that but it doesn't have OIS so the longer shutter time needed will cause blurring.
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They're using a small pixel sensor again with the OP5, of course it'll struggle in low light. It's like they've said they're improving the camera and not actually done anything. No amount of software updates will fix the small sensors, not only that but it doesn't have OIS so the longer shutter time needed will cause blurring.
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Just to put it into perspective for others:
1. Both Samsung S6 and OnePlus 5 use 16MP sensors with pixel size 1.12uM.
2. Samsung S6 sensor is 16:9 format while OnePlus 5 is 4:3; which means that in actual Samsung S6 has a larger sensor (1/2.6") compared to Oneplus 5 (1/2.8")
3. Samsung S6 is using f/1.9 while OnePlus 5 is using wider f/1.7; that is not even an f-stop apart; but apart enough to make a huge difference under low light conditions and for creating shallow depth of field.
4. Samsung S6 comes with OIS while OnePlus 5 comes with EIS. OIS is a hardware technology which is always active. It helps offset for minute vibrations and shakes (usually our hands) by stabilising the lens. EIS on the other hand is a post-processing technology; it comes in to picture (pun intended) only after light/data has been captured by sensor. This makes EIS completely useless for still photographs. EIS being post-processing it takes a toll on CPU (or image processor if your phone one dedicated); this is the reason why OnePlus 5 doesn't offer EIS on 1080p 60fps and 4k since those 2 modes have substantially more data (bitrate) than 1080p 30fps. OnePlus clearly chose to offer smoother UI experience over good recording experience here.
5. Under similar conditions, Samsung S6 is producing better images than OnePlus 5 at an ISO level that is 1/4th of that used by OnePlus 5; this again is apart by 2 f-stops.
Even if we discard the advantage OnePlus 5 has with a wider aperture; Samsung S6 is still beating it by more than 2 f-stops.
If any OEM is able to improve image by 2 f-stops just by software processing then rest assured Google/Apple/Samsung will bet their future on it.
In my personal opinion though, OnePlus should have focused on getting best sensors (last year's 12-12.3MP large pixel sensors) with OIS instead of going for gimmicky Zoom and Portrait mode. hTC did the same with U11 and that phone is rocking a great camera performance. Other option was to use a BW sensor for achieving better low light performance (like Huawei does).
EDIT: Added point 4 for OIS and EIS
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Just to put it into perspective for others:
1. Both Samsung S6 and OnePlus 5 use 16MP sensors with pixel size 1.12uM.
2. Samsung S6 sensor is 16:9 format while OnePlus 5 is 4:3; which means that in actual Samsung S6 has a larger sensor (1/2.6") compared to Oneplus 5 (1/2.8")
3. Samsung S6 is using f/1.9 while OnePlus 5 is using wider f/1.7; that is not even an f-stop apart; but apart enough to make a huge difference under low light conditions and for creating shallow depth of field.
4. Under similar conditions, Samsung S6 is producing better images than OnePlus 5 at an ISO level that is 1/4th of that used by OnePlus 5; this again is apart by 2 f-stops.
Even if we discard the advantage OnePlus 5 has with a wider aperture; Samsung S6 is still beating it by more than 2 f-stops.
If any OEM is able to improve image by 2 f-stops just by software processing then rest assured Google/Apple/Samsung will bet their future on it.
In my personal opinion though, OnePlus should have focused on getting best sensors (last year's 12-12.3MP large pixel sensors) with OIS instead of going for gimmicky Zoom and Portrait mode. hTC did the same with U11 and that phone is rocking a great camera performance. Other option was to use a BW sensor for achieving better low light performance (like Huawei does).
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Part of booth Googles and nowadays Samsung's magic is hidden in software like hdr+. I can imagine the same technics would have done wonder even on a small scale sensor like the op5's.
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Love this phone but after seeing low light comparisons with an ancient Galaxy s5 I was massively disappointed with the low light photographs, which is important to me (as well as overall camera quality). I've familiarized myself with the custom settings and they still don't provide the desired quality.
Considering a 1st gen Google Pixel or Samsung S7 (leaning to the pixel). What phones, including older phones, in a similar price range would be a good trade off?
I don't care about your complaining. Would it help that you compares G5 Plus to 4 years old phone? It makes you feel better? Don't do off topic and just compare phones in the right topic. It's annoying.
maruchandd said:
Love this phone but after seeing low light comparisons with an ancient Galaxy s5 I was massively disappointed with the low light photographs, which is important to me (as well as overall camera quality). I've familiarized myself with the custom settings and they still don't provide the desired quality.
Considering a 1st gen Google Pixel or Samsung S7 (leaning to the pixel). What phones, including older phones, in a similar price range would be a good trade off?
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I have the Moto G5plus and I compared the shots to 3 other phones I have access to (not all mine). These are all $200 something.
1. iPhone SE - Out of all budget phones, this makes the best pictures in this price range , the reason I won't get it is because the screen size is just a no-go for me. But camera wise, it's top dog, maybe the Note 5 and the S7 would be beating on it (in $200 range)
2. Honor 7X (I owned this for 2 days and returned it, because it had some defects and I chose not to get another one) This makes great pictures IMO, makes better pics than any moto phone although still not as good as the iphone.
3. Moto ZPlay (1st gen) - Don't get this for camera, actually the G5Plus makes better pictures, the only reason it would look better, because of the AMOLED screen it has, but look at it on a PC or another phone and compare the pics, you'd realize that the G5plus made sharper pictures. The Zplay was a mid-ranger in 2016, don't know how the Z2Play is, but as far as I know it has the same exact camera as the G5plus. Moto uses good cameras, but they just can't get their software processing right.
4. Blackberry Priv. - Despite all the other shortcomings (heats up, not so great battery life) this makes really good pictures, has a curved, hres screen too.
5. iPhone 6S- Same camera as the SE. Again, the reason I don't consider it, is because I had it and I got spoiled by my Note 5 (which I broke and gone now) which was way better and the large screen made me hate my iphone screen.
6. Used Galaxy S7 (or edge, but it's $100 more) this has to be the best shooter if you can find one for $200 as a refurb or used. Same thing with the Galaxy Note 4 or 5. Unless of course you hate touchwiz.
7. If you can find a first gen Pixel, you gonna have a good camera. also LG G6 are going dirt cheap on ebay and it's a 2017 flagship. It has an awesome camera with secondary wide angle shot. As of right now I'm getting an LG G6 soon to replace my G5 Plus.
8. Sony experia - I don't know much about it, although people claiming to make as good or even better pics as the S7. Sony seem to be the primary maker of the best cams on most of smartphones so they won't wimp out on putting a really good one on their own smartphones.
maruchandd said:
Love this phone but after seeing low light comparisons with an ancient Galaxy s5 I was massively disappointed with the low light photographs, which is important to me (as well as overall camera quality). I've familiarized myself with the custom settings and they still don't provide the desired quality.
Considering a 1st gen Google Pixel or Samsung S7 (leaning to the pixel). What phones, including older phones, in a similar price range would be a good trade off?
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Dude, this has the same imaging sensor as the S7 and Pixel, but it was held back by crappy (but fixable) software. There's no way in heck an S5 can compare once you've turned on Camera2 and run the Gcam HDR+ exposure. Out of camera the shots hang on my wall next to ones taken with my $3000+ pro DSLR, and editing the RAW images blows me away every time I try tweaking them in lightroom.
I call shenanigans. I want to see the examples the OP is talking about, or I lay claim that he is only comparing the crippled stock camera app.
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Samsung Galaxy Note 10 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Did Samsung improve the shutter speed on Note10+?? When I had the S10+ the still photos looked great, however it was hard to get a picture of my daughter(18mo old) that didn't look blurry
I spent a couple of days doing camera comparisons with my Pixel 3 XL, which I sent back on Friday (got my Note 10 on Wednesday). I found that I personally like the photos in daylight better from the Note 10, as they look just a bit more "punchy" and clear to me, but that's Samsung applying a deeper saturation and more sharpening. YMMV on that. Early reviews I read online said that it was on par with the Pixel 3 in daylight, but quickly fell apart in low light. I'm happy to report that wasn't my experience at all. Night mode works great, and while it would be nice to have an indicator of how long to hold it, it seems to be just as fast at the Pixel 3. The Pixel 3 did beat it out just a bit with clarity, but not by a very wide margin. I did some blind comparison test between shots from the Note 10 and the Pixel 3 XL with my girlfriend (who has a Pixel 3 XL of her own), and 9 of the 11 shots she picked were the Note 10 shots over the Pixel 3. She prefered the Pixel 3's selfie shot and it's Night Sight shot, but she said she really couldn't tell much of a difference in them.
Aside from quality, I like different Live Focus backgrounds, and being able to swipe up from a corner on the lockscreen to get to the camera is a huge plus for me. It's much faster for me to go from pocket to shot now. I'm going to a convention this weekend, so I expect to get some good use out of the triple cameras too. All in all, I'm beyond happy with the Note 10 camera, and coming from the Pixel 3 XL, I was very concerned, as that was hands down the best camera on a phone I'd ever used. The Note 10 isn't leaps and bounds better, but it is better, in my opinion.
As much as I like Note 10, camera is crap compared to Pixel 3. I've been shooting all day and most images are near useless if subject is moving, automatic in anything less then ideal conditions is also terrible, and can only be improved with Pro mode. Faces are too white and details are all washed out. I had exactly the same results with S10 that I returned
I am not sure what Samsung is thinking. Big company and great hardware, $1000 phone, yet software is not good and photos are behind even Pixel 1
Ps. I am leaning towards keeping the phone anyway and will give Gcam a try
Note 10+ Night Camera is really crap compared to the Pixel phone.... Ugh... Samsung again with their bs
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Did Samsung improve the shutter speed on Note10+?? When I had the S10+ the still photos looked great, however it was hard to get a picture of my daughter(18mo old) that didn't look blurry
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No they haven't. I had a good hands on with the device at their stores and took my kids to just specially test this out.
I sold my S10 plus for this very reason and unfortunately in the Note note 10, they still haven't sorted it out. I had a Galaxy Note 8 and that was the last Samsung without this issue. I think it's something to do with the dual aperture.
Installing Gcam seems to help a lot but I have Exynos chip and doesn't get ported very well.
You have to use Pro mode in order to get anything useful with moving subject. Or Gcam maybe, I haven't tried yet
Daylight shots are very good though, I would say even better then Pixel
ZayaanAhyaan said:
No they haven't. I had a good hands on with the device at their stores and took my kids to just specially test this out.
I sold my S10 plus for this very reason and unfortunately in the Note note 10, they still haven't sorted it out. I had a Galaxy Note 8 and that was the last Samsung without this issue. I think it's something to do with the dual aperture.
Installing Gcam seems to help a lot but I have Exynos chip and doesn't get ported very well.
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Same thing here with my wife's S10e. Since my S7 I hate this. Nowadays I have an iPhone Xr and this is not a problem, fortunately... But I'd like to go back to Android again... Maybe with Pixel 4...
Using pro mode on S10e I've got a nice result setting the shutter speed at least at 1/250. But you lose performance on HDR... So it's like a short sheet... You cover something and uncover other...
That's another mess, the pro mode.
On my note 8, i chose to keep a fast shutter speed and my preferred white balance with iso as a shortcut on home screen. This way it allowed me to directly jump into 3 of my preferred pro mode setting directly without fiddling and adjusting, but as always, Samsung had to take a damn step back and removed this shortcut starting from note 9.
Hmmmnnn. I had a note 8, and all the others besides the 9. Any of them, like any other cameras I have used(cameras and camcorders), with the faster shutter speeds, I always use manual(or as Samsung likes to call pro). I guess most of my subjects when I learned were really fast(rc helicopters doing aerobatics and saltwater reef tanks), so the old rule of 'learn manual shooting first and don't rely on auto' saved me.
Neither of those environments are ideal, and i learned to just 'make' the cameras work for me. It's not a fault of the devices, it's just the honest inherent nature of auto mode.. I also love macro photography, so that is another realm in which manual knowledge is key..
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The portrait mood has bee the single most disappointing feature for me, perhaps we are spoiled by the gcam quality, but samsung could have done better.
Having an Exynos device makes it even more challenging to find a stable fully functional gcam.
I am almost inclining towards finding a pixel (2/3a or 3) just for camera capabilities.
Even the poco with it's xiaomi camera did a better job at portraits
watsinaname said:
The portrait mood has bee the single most disappointing feature for me, perhaps we are spoiled by the gcam quality, but samsung could have done better.
Having an Exynos device makes it even more challenging to find a stable fully functional gcam.
I am almost inclining towards finding a pixel (2/3a or 3) just for camera capabilities.
Even the poco with it's xiaomi camera did a better job at portraits
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Portrait is very good as far as i'm concerned. Maybe malfunctionning device ? I have exynos as well and no pb with photos (EDIT : i have Note 10 Plus though so maybe TOF does the job).
My portait photos are probably the most striking and accurate i ever took with a smartphone, i have very nice pics of my kids taken with it.
Single hairs on sides are not blurred either, it only blurs the background and does it right.
I am very disappointed with cameras .
Low definition and quality when you do not have 100% of light .
Night mode it **** also.
I came from op6 and did better photos stock and with gcam.
Samsung camera processing it is the worst one
villadecai said:
I am very disappointed with cameras .
Low definition and quality when you do not have 100% of light .
Night mode it **** also.
I came from op6 and did better photos stock and with gcam.
Samsung camera processing it is the worst one
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Plain wrong... Post exemple or it never happened.
Camera is not good but much better than OP7
villadecai said:
I am very disappointed with cameras .
Low definition and quality when you do not have 100% of light .
Night mode it **** also.
I came from op6 and did better photos stock and with gcam.
Samsung camera processing it is the worst one
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I compared with OP7 and found that Note 10 (Exynos) is far better when compared to OnePlus 7.
Though Pixel 2 XL have much better camera
Just wondering whether the staggering difference in photo quality between Exynos and Snapdragon versions of Note 10 is here as well. I was shocked how far better was Galaxy S9 (Snapdragon) in this term.
Definitely isn't this year...the Exynos model has improved a lot so much so there's a huge difference between the photo quality of the note 10 and the S10 5g I had.
new update to camera today
watsinaname said:
The portrait mood has bee the single most disappointing feature for me, perhaps we are spoiled by the gcam quality, but samsung could have done better.
Having an Exynos device makes it even more challenging to find a stable fully functional gcam.
I am almost inclining towards finding a pixel (2/3a or 3) just for camera capabilities.
Even the poco with it's xiaomi camera did a better job at portraits
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That is weird, I find portrait quality to be much better than my Note 8 and iphone XS Max, edge definition is outstanding compared to iphones and I have taken portrait shots that are as good (resolution aside) as my Canon 70D with 85mm lens.
I'm considering upgrading to this phone from the OnePlus 5T since it checks off all my boxes. Only thing I'm worried about is the actual performance of the chip. I don't do much with the phone and the most intense thing I do is probably play Real Racing 3. Will this be an issue?
While on this topic, is it actually an upgrade from my 5T? The camera performance is surely better but thanks to the Google Camera, photos are pretty good with the 5T too.
Actually, the Snapdragon 730 performs better in benchmarks than the 835. So it should be at least equal there.
But this phone is heavy compared to 5T, with case it gets bulkier. Gaming performance is good, camera is bad. If you're coming from oneplus series, better buy oneplus again IMO. They are compact devices with better OS and cameras.
Camera is bad... or maybe the guy behind the camera xD It's one of the best in the phone market but yes it's bad compare to a Canon SLR camera !
Maheshzx said:
But this phone is heavy compared to 5T, with case it gets bulkier. Gaming performance is good, camera is bad. If you're coming from oneplus series, better buy oneplus again IMO. They are compact devices with better OS and cameras.
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i +1 to this, the camera is terrible and you better go with a newer oneplus.
mousstachuuu said:
Camera is bad... or maybe the guy behind the camera xD It's one of the best in the phone market but yes it's bad compare to a Canon SLR camera !
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no, for a normal phone camera is terrible, for now even gcam can`t save it. you dont need to compare to a SLR to see the bad quality.
and its one of the best MID RANGER phone, not even close to any of the best phones, chill
Geiger's said:
i +1 to this, the camera is terrible and you better go with a newer oneplus.
no, for a normal phone camera is terrible, for now even gcam can`t save it. you dont need to compare to a SLR to see the bad quality.
and its one of the best MID RANGER phone, not even close to any of the best phones, chill
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You seem to have very high standards when it comes to the camera. Imho the phone takes great pictures in good lighting conditions. For low light gcam is the way to go. Yes, it's not as good as the flagships out there but we are talking budget here.
The 9T is an upgrade from the OnePlus 7 - I just came from the 7 to the 9T.
OK, so the 9T isn't quite as fast, but there's barely anything in it - I don't game, but all other apps launch and run great on the 730. The screen is better on the 9T, the cameras are pretty much the same, battery is better. Loss of stereo speakers isn't a massive problem for me as the 9T's speaker is good, and I still use a wired headphone so no dongle is a bonus.
You won't regret buying compared to the 1+5T.
Scarface1991 said:
You seem to have very high standards when it comes to the camera. Imho the phone takes great pictures in good lighting conditions. For low light gcam is the way to go. Yes, it's not as good as the flagships out there but we are talking budget here.
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Wait what if they have blurry camera effect like MKBHD's unit lol
i've changed from oneplus 6 to mi9t, i had an amazon warranty refund for oneplus 6, so best of all is that i spent 350€ for 128gb mi9t and amazon refunded 540€ for oneplus 6.
phone itself was mostly an update even if had not spent less than refund, i haven't tried it for long time so something could be untested (like recording audio)
screen: mi 9t>op6
camera: little better for op6 in low light and 4k 60fps videos (but didn't use the, so much, too much space) mostly they seem to be on par (i have to test much more)
battery: mi 9t>op6
fingerprint: mi 9t mostly better, you don't have to "take" the phone or digit pin if it's on a table, just a little slower, but difference is less than half a second
speaker: seems quite louder, quality seems very similar
phone: i expected the thin speaker to be much more position-dependant, but i don't notice so much difference.
performance: i can't notice any difference, and i'm quite sure people with mi 9t pro won't ever notice any difference, cause 730 is already overpowered for screen resolution
honestly i won't listen those talking about the camera, you can't compare it to huawei high ends or samsung, but against op6 camera it's almost even.