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Looks like the G4's OIS is too aggressive and the videos taken look shaky.
Is this something future G4 owners will have to live with or can this be fixed by a software update, or perhaps a third party camera app?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY6rAE8FNkg
@4:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4MtfKfBW9E
Sharpshooterrr said:
Looks like the G4's OIS is too aggressive and the videos taken look shaky.
Is this something future G4 owners will have to live with or can this be fixed by a software update, or perhaps a third party camera app?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY6rAE8FNkg
@4:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4MtfKfBW9E
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I think LG depends too much on the OIS. OIS should work with DIS, not be an either-or situation.
The OIS in the G4 has more travel than the S6, which means it wants to stabilize the picture when the camera is moving during video and then snaps back more when it hits the end of the travel. The net result is, paradoxically, shakier video when the camera is moving around. This issue with video and OIS was pointed out in the Anandtech review of the S6, and was considered the probable reason that the iPhone 6+ disables OIS for video and uses only EIS.
I haven't tried it, but I've read that using EIS in conjunction with OIS on the S6 causes the video the pitch all over the place. Since OIS can't be disabled, it was recommended to disable EIS.
Technically, the OIS in the G4 is OIS 2.0 as they added another axis.
Yeah, that does not look good.
Yes, a software update can chill out the censors activities. The hardware is not just independently acting on it's own.
Umm....Those videos were taken at 1080p....not UHD setting. Not sure how that affects OIS.
All I can say is that my G3 takes very steady video on UHD...nothing as shaky or warping like as that video showed for the G4. I can't imagine LG screwing up so badly with the G4. I really want the G4 because of its better contrast screen(once thing I always found annoying is that the G3 always looked a bit grey/washed out compared to OLED screens). I will be looking to get the G4 full price, not on contract....so really hope this OIS thing gets sorted out.
Quite frankly, the OIS issue isn't really a big deal unless you really like taking video while walking around. For typical video shooting, OIS helps way more than it hurts.
Keep in mind these are early G4's with a non final firmware.
On the other hand if you send reviewers a G4 better have the OIS fixed.
Let's hope it will be not that bad.
The conclusions are too early.
The person who posted an another video of speed test said that this is not a review unit, It is a consumer unit which all consumers will use in comments when someone asked
Ha love the idea of quoting one early review and then stating it is fact and gospel. Ridiculous.
I am buying it. No matter what is OIS doing. It's better with it then without. I can't understand why we even talking about something that is hitting the shelves at the end of the month [ here in Europe ].
I use my G3 for video very heavily. (got over 2tb of videos from it and its only been almost a year since I got it.) None of my vids are that janky as in those review videos.
Just have to wait until the G4 is out for a while...see what happens.
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I use my G3 for video very heavily. (got over 2tb of videos from it and its only been almost a year since I got it.) None of my vids are that janky as in those review videos.
Just have to wait until the G4 is out for a while...see what happens.
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Yes I've had the g4 since last Tuesday - got it from a work mate in South Korea - and my videos look fine.
Silly LG ! why don't LG just use common sense? if they give unstable, unreliable and unfinished phone or software version phone to people for try they will publish and talk about all it deficiency, problem and other bad things, most of people publish video, opinion and review based on this initial hardware and software, so instead of promotion LG is actually damage his image and product and ruin the successful flagship launch by doing it, also LG need to understand that when they give phone to thousands of people to try give them a best looking phone instead of just giving plastic version to every tester or reviewer, do you thing any tester or reviewer can impress their friends or family by showed this unimpressive plastic version???
One thing I will say, I just did a video testing myself with my G4. The video was a little shaky then what I thought was recorded but what did annoy me was in auto mode the focusing was just horrible.
This camera software is definitely not finished
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Hanson68 said:
The OIS in the G4 has more travel than the S6, which means it wants to stabilize the picture when the camera is moving during video and then snaps back more when it hits the end of the travel. The net result is, paradoxically, shakier video when the camera is moving around. This issue with video and OIS was pointed out in the Anandtech review of the S6, and was considered the probable reason that the iPhone 6+ disables OIS for video and uses only EIS.
I haven't tried it, but I've read that using EIS in conjunction with OIS on the S6 causes the video the pitch all over the place. Since OIS can't be disabled, it was recommended to disable EIS.
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Usually OIS can be disabled through build.prop
upload this file found here system/lib/hw/camera.msm8xxx.so
i will find what needs to be added to build.prop to disable ois
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxgZfYS_ZeU
Maybe we should disable OIS and try to figure out a way to have DIS.
And on this review they say it has better stabilisation?
Lbs has a faulty device?
https://youtu.be/3b5B8LkrFF8
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Usually OIS can be disabled through build.prop
upload this file found here system/lib/hw/camera.msm8xxx.so
i will find what needs to be added to build.prop to disable ois
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Would there be any way to disable OIS on a G3? Sorry to go a bit off topic with my question but this thread is the only one I could find anywhere on the web mentioning the possibility if disabling OIS on an LG phone.
I use my phone as a dash cam when driving my car on race tracks. OIS give a wavey distortion due to the various G forces encountered.
Defcomg, will a solution for the G4 work on a G3?
Upload camera.MSM8974.so from g3 I will find the build.prop property needed to disable ois
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Here are the OIS Control params they can be added to an opensource camera app such as a better camera/opencamera/freedcam
Key
Code:
"ois-ctrl"
Values
Code:
"preview-capture","capture","video","centering-only","centering-off"
this is from a g2 pro lib but it was the same in g3 lib not sure if it applies to g4
Thanks defcomg for a quick reply. I don't see any access to system/lib/hw/camera. I'm going to bet my phone needs to be rooted. I can give that a go but it may take a while for me to learn how. Sorry I'm a low level user. And Verizon is pounding me to update to Lollipop which I have been hesitant to do. (I read lots of complaints about battery degradation and wi-fi issues.) I should probably go ahead and do that in case doing it later unroots the phone.
Hello everybody, i just would know before buy that device, if it suffer from throttling or high heat while playing heavy games, if I can modify ISO while doing a video like on s7,g5 etc and if the device really suffer from autofocus problem, I need a good camera phone both front and back camera at a nice price and this still looks the best, sorry for bad english :highfive:
Tyrigi said:
Hello everybody, i just would know before buy that device, if it suffer from throttling or high heat while playing heavy games, if I can modify ISO while doing a video like on s7,g5 etc and if the device really suffer from autofocus problem, I need a good camera phone both front and back camera at a nice price and this still looks the best, sorry for bad english :highfive:
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I don't know about games as I don't do heavy gaming. As for the camera the stock camera doesn't have a manual mode for iso or anything else but you can use third party apps like proshot to get those features and there is NO autofocus problem with the device ( though it isn't as fast as s7) and the camera is actually better than s7 in low light. Front camera is again great.
Overall a nice phone IMO
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sjandroiddeveloper said:
I don't know about games as I don't do heavy gaming. As for the camera the stock camera doesn't have a manual mode for iso or anything else but you can use third party apps like proshot to get those features and there is NO autofocus problem with the device ( though it isn't as fast as s7) and the camera is actually better than s7 in low light. Front camera is again great.
Overall a nice phone IMO
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I saw it is better than s7 in low Light plus s7 front camera make your face looks barbie / fake face but i need the full video control settings
Tyrigi said:
I saw it is better than s7 in low Light plus s7 front camera make your face looks barbie / fake face but i need the full video control settings
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For full Manuel control your only option is third party apps but speaking frankly they won't get you the same experince as the stock app on a galaxy s7
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Tyrigi said:
Hello everybody, i just would know before buy that device, if it suffer from throttling or high heat while playing heavy games, if I can modify ISO while doing a video like on s7,g5 etc and if the device really suffer from autofocus problem, I need a good camera phone both front and back camera at a nice price and this still looks the best, sorry for bad english :highfive:
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Yes it does throttle, especially noticeable on games that require a fair bit of processing power. I've never noticed any issues with auto-focus. The have no manual control with the stock camera, you'd need a third-party app for that.
Hi,
I'm still on the fence on buying the LG G6, I already know a few details about some of its features but I still have a couple of questions that I can't seem to find the answer on the internet (YouTube, XDA etc.)
The first one is a bit nitpicky, the one I hated the most about the LG is its UI. While I can see that the G6 has considerably improved in this area, I still find that nav buttons to be pretty big. Is there anyway to resize it? To atleast be on the same size as the Google Pixel's? I've seen a couple of YT videos and I still find the nav buttons to be big.
The second is the icons. Is there a way to change the style without changing the launcher?
It was already confirmed that we are getting the 64GB and Quad-DAC in my area so I am pretty much happy about that. Although I am still not solved on its cameras? I will be coming from the Xperia Z3c so my expectation isn't that high (No OIS, bad low light images). Will the G6 deliver?
Thanks to anyone who can answer.
I know some of these questions can be answered when I demo the unit, but I am not living close to the city and I will only go then when I buy the actual thing. Knowing this beforehand would be a great help.
No, there are no options to customize the default LG home launcher. On top of that, its icon grid is not even, so a lot of widgets have to be placed left or right of center, including their own built in Digital Clock. The UI is pretty cheesy and feels like they were trying to copy off of the iPhone in places, especially their wallpapers. The LG G6's camera is absolutely atrocious, and this comes from someone who owns the device. My wife uses a Google Pixel and the G6 cannot even come close, despite having a wide range of DSLR-like controls over the image. The f/2.4 sensor on the wide-angle lens is only going to be useful outdoors, and the f/1.4 13MP sensor, which should be good in low-light conditions, is overshadowed by an insane amount of noise reduction. If you tend to take pictures at 4k and scale them down to 1200x857 or something for posting on the web, you might be OK, but this mostly because you need to convince yourself that a picture from a $700 flagship phone with a Q2'2017 release couldn't possibly be that bad. Oh, but it is. Trust me, it is absolutely atrocious. If you try to record video in low-light and do a digital zoom on a particular section, it will look like a colony of ants floating on water. If you zoom in even further, you see Pan's Labyrinth in it's highest quality. I don't know who they paid to give 4.5/5 reviews, rating the camera just a notch below the Pixel, because I would probably give it a 3/5 overall, and a 1/5 for camera. The free Google Home promotion is the only thing preventing me from returning this. I may just smash it and go back to my Droid Turbo 2, or hell, anyone got one of those exploding Galaxy Notes for trade?
Hey all,
I received my LG G6 today, and I loved it. Until I turn on the camera. OMG. Before I had a Nexus 6P, I do not know if it is the Nexus that was exceptionally good or the LG G6 which is exceptionally bad, but I am overly disappointed.
What the hell is this camera quality on the G6? The only interesting thing is the wide angle. But it looks like all the pictures are smoothed out. And I'm not talking about the front-facing camera ... The 2013 flagship were doing better ...
On snapchat it's even worse. The app uses the ratio 18: 9, is made of 2.1 MPX photos with the front camera. And we can not fix it.
Is anyone now if it's the sensors who are completely ****ting where if it's optimizing and working the photo by software that destroys everything?
What is the best way to fix the snapchat quality?
THX
Not sure what the problem is for you guys. I'm very satisfied with the camera quality on my G6. Coming from the G5, I was a bit hesitant after reading reviews, but I have no complaints.
talk to snapchat. their POS software developers are to blame, not the phone. Android snapchat takes a screenshot of your phone as a "picture"
chrisokaly said:
talk to snapchat. their POS software developers are to blame, not the phone. Android snapchat takes a screenshot of your phone as a "picture"
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This. Snapchat is a useless pile of do do software which unless you are under 16 you shouldn't even be using lol.
As for normal rear facing photos the quality trumps my S8+ as I now have both phones and the G6 photos are absolutely top drawer.
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talk to snapchat. their POS software developers are to blame, not the phone. Android snapchat takes a screenshot of your phone as a "picture"
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Wow I never knew that, that's just terrible. I know the quality isn't great, but I had no idea that was the process the app takes.
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I went into a store today to play a bit with the LG G6's camera and was also very very disappointed. The light wasn't too good, and only artificial light was available, I took a few shots of the label describing the phone from a distance of about 30cm with both the G6's f/1.8 OIS lens and my 4-year-old Xperia ZR. I set both of the phones' cameras to the highest resolution setting available, took a few shots making sure that the focus worked well, and then zoomed in on both to compare the photos side-by-side. The quality of the G6 photos was horrible, when I zoomed in it looked like really bad compression artefacts. I couldn't find any settings for picture quality, and the guy working there was trying to convince me that switching to 16:9 mode would improve quality, because "it's better". Right! (He also tried to convince me that the quality wasn't good, because it was only 13MP instead of 20MP (or more) like in other phones. I thanked him for his advice and left )
Based on the low-light photo comparison available on gsmarena I was very positively surprised by the picture quality of the G6 and was actually going to get it, yet it seems I've drastically changed my mind after this single experience.
Was I doing something wrong? Are there actually some hidden settings where you can adjust the compression quality like in other phones? I'd love to give it yet another try, if it makes any sense at all that is.
Other phones with compression quality settings ?
Which for example ?
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The G6 tends to focus relatively slowly in low light. Also the low light photos tend to be a little noisy and have a white balance shifted a little to the red.
G6 IQ is really nice actually, Sony processing is easily the worst but see here, I think its pretty decent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-PtwtQFBWg
I made a video on how to increase your snap score. Hope you enjoy it!
Try cleaning the lens first
The biggest issue in my mind is the inconsistency in performance. Under the same conditions of good light, in auto mode, I'll get either a soft dull photo or a sharp and bright one. Manual mode gives a little more consistent results-- my best outdoor shots are taken with -1-1.5 EV, then brightened post processing. Low light photos are pretty crappy overall-- pretty much like snapshots taken on flipphones from 10 years ago.
Its disappointing that I can't dependably get a great photo right "out of the box" (like you can with Samsung's S series) and that I have to fiddle with settings or mess around with modded Gcam software.
I agree that LG could have chosen a better sensor for their flagship phone, or fixed their processing algorithm.
Maybe this is one reason that Samsung has beat LG so badly in sales.
I think we keep coming back for this, but as far as i can say:
LG G6`s camera is pretty good, but tends to have problems with oversharpening, in the dark the pictures tend to looks too noisy, but using google camera app with G6 for low light conditions really does wonders.
About snapchat, as somebody mentioned, snapchat really takes a screen from camera preview, for most the part, the snaps were a so so ok, but after recent updates i also noticed, that front camera in snap has become significantly worse, and also the back cam seems a bit choppy too, so it sure has something to do on their side.
I know I'm late but I also have a G6 and found out how to fix the problem with the camera quality. Snapchat, however will still be as terrible as it is due to the developers trying to make snapchat compatible with all androids using a single app on the Google Play store (smarter if they broke the apps into different phone types likes Samsung and LG). Open up your camera app, click on the cog/settings icon. Change the photo size to 4:3 (13MP) or (5MP) for both front and back facing camera views. For video resolution, change it to FHD 16:9 (60fps) for the back facing and FHD 16:9 for front facing. Hopefully I wasn't too late.
DiversityHD said:
Hey all,
I received my LG G6 today, and I loved it. Until I turn on the camera. OMG. Before I had a Nexus 6P, I do not know if it is the Nexus that was exceptionally good or the LG G6 which is exceptionally bad, but I am overly disappointed.
What the hell is this camera quality on the G6? The only interesting thing is the wide angle. But it looks like all the pictures are smoothed out. And I'm not talking about the front-facing camera ... The 2013 flagship were doing better ...
On snapchat it's even worse. The app uses the ratio 18: 9, is made of 2.1 MPX photos with the front camera. And we can not fix it.
Is anyone now if it's the sensors who are completely ****ting where if it's optimizing and working the photo by software that destroys everything?
What is the best way to fix the snapchat quality?
THX
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me the quality on snapchat do not bother me especially against I really would like to have a way to select which camera sensor apps should use, I would like to make a snap wide angle
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Unfortunately, I have resell my G6 for that bug. I bought the S8+, it was better but not good. It's due to 18:9 ratio, who seems uncompatible with snapchat. There is the same problem on One Plus 5T, and on all phone who have a 18:9 ratio.
For this reason, I have resell my S8+ and then buy the Pixel XL.
I didn't find any solution for any concerned device. I think we have to wait Snapchat fix.
Snapchat will normally be full rebuild for android on january. I hope it will fix it.
DiversityHD said:
Hey all,
I received my LG G6 today, and I loved it. Until I turn on the camera. OMG. Before I had a Nexus 6P, I do not know if it is the Nexus that was exceptionally good or the LG G6 which is exceptionally bad, but I am overly disappointed.
What the hell is this camera quality on the G6? The only interesting thing is the wide angle. But it looks like all the pictures are smoothed out. And I'm not talking about the front-facing camera ... The 2013 flagship were doing better ...
On snapchat it's even worse. The app uses the ratio 18: 9, is made of 2.1 MPX photos with the front camera. And we can not fix it.
Is anyone now if it's the sensors who are completely ****ting where if it's optimizing and working the photo by software that destroys everything?
What is the best way to fix the snapchat quality?
THX
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Use a ported version of Google camera even tho in my opinion the stock is still very good, and nothing will fix the Snapchat camera til they update it optimised for lg g6
DiversityHD said:
@SilentDeathKami
Unfortunately, I have resell my G6 for that bug. I bought the S8+, it was better but not good. It's due to 18:9 ratio, who seems uncompatible with snapchat. There is the same problem on One Plus 5T, and on all phone who have a 18:9 ratio.
For this reason, I have resell my S8+ and then buy the Pixel XL.
I didn't find any solution for any concerned device. I think we have to wait Snapchat fix.
Snapchat will normally be full rebuild for android on january. I hope it will fix it.
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Are you kidding me? You bought and sold 2 phones just to find a 3rd phone that worked better with SNAPCHAT?? SMH.
xphyle1971 said:
Are you kidding me? You bought and sold 2 phones just to find a 3rd phone that worked better with SNAPCHAT?? SMH.
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Yep, I did. I'm coming from Nexus 6P, and the LG G6 caméra, except Wide angle, was bad. S8+ camera was good, except the 18:9 ratio who's doing **** on snapchat and all photo apps ( instagram, messenger,etc..).
But I've broken the screen, so I've looked fort the best camera on 16:9 ratio : The Pixel XL. As good as the S8+ for rear, and not ****in zoomed and blurred front facing camera.
I come from LG G4 and the only reason to buy this phone was the camera for me and boy do I hate the goddamn camera on this phone! I loathe both the Rear and Front camera shots. I hate that their image processing is terrible. Their implementation of noise reduction algorithm is horrible for the front camera, and the lack of OIS doesn't help with the shots.
So I guess I am stuck with using pro mode - clicking RAW and processing just to avoid their horrible software implementation.
I just want to get rid of this phone or I prolly will end up using this as a backup phone just for its dash charging ! That is the only thing good thing about this device.
My LG G4 shots here - https://www.flickr.com/photos/giripix/with/37340217741/
I don't have any pictures to compare with OP5 cos the camera is so horrendous !
At this stage of the phone being released 3 months ago you should've already known about the camera 'qualities' from reviews?!
Dont you go for reviews prior to purchasing anything.
The camera isnt that bad, has got better with updates, and here at XDA, smartphones are a lot more than just a camera device.
you bought the phone because of the camera but didn't do enough research for it.
Most people buy this phone because of the Google stock feeling or the overall performance and dev support of the phone.
If you bought it just for the camera might aswel return it ^.^
Agreed with the users that have replied thus far. If you read enough reviews you would know the camera didn't live up to its hype post launch. That's not to say it's a bad camera by any means, but it should have given you a better idea of whether or not this device is for you.
If your primary purchasing factor is the camera, the Google Pixel or Galaxy S8 would have been better options.
Personally I don't find the camera to be that bad, it's really solid in good lighting as well, but to each their own!
The front camera is one of the better ones I've used, and the rear camera isn't "bad" (though could be better).
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Who buys a phone for its camera? Its not a primary feature of any phone seeing how its so small it will never receive optimal amounts of light or have a large enough lens to get quality shots at all in any circumstances. Buy a phone for software not hardware. If hardware is nice consider it a bonus. A really good camera is only about 150 dollars. Just carry a nikon around.
Actually, OnePlus heavily marketed the camera; even making a note of it on the sides of the box. It's no surprise at least some people would have bought this thinking the camera was top-notch.
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venkig said:
I come from LG G4 and the only reason to buy this phone was the camera for me and boy do I hate the goddamn camera on this phone...
I just want to get rid of this phone or I prolly will end up using this as a backup phone just for its dash charging ! That is the only thing good thing about this device...
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At this stage of the phone being released 3 months ago you should've already known about the camera 'qualities' from reviews?!
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a senior member on xda and no research before purchase
why don't you go an get this https://www.ebay.com/p/LG-G4-H815-32GB-Metallic-Gray-Unlocked-Smartphone/218349514
It's a SMARTPHONE camera. It's never going to replace a DSLR. Its actually a good camera. I don't have a problem with the quality at all (though I'm an enthusiast Photographer and know that no phone camera will like a DSLR). Most of the reviews flame the camera as much worse then it really is. That being said... It's totally the OP's fault for there are 50 or more YouTube video reviews on the camera.
To say it's the worst phone you've bought... lol you sound bitter as this phone is the fastest, smoothest phone out there with the best battery and fastest charging phone out there. It's got a very good display, but not the best. I think that is really the only area this phone lags behind flagships... the display.
Im finding it about on par with my I7, slightly worse in low light but focuses much faster.
Worse than my note 8, better than my XZp
It's like the only device that had day 1 reviews from tons of known reviewers so you had all the time in the world to research about the product you're buying and yet you didn't. Yeah camera is crap compared to other flagships, we don't care, move along.
I don't mind the camera, it's decent.
How can you be "extremely disappointed" ?
I receive my OP5 about a week ago and is by far the best smartphone I ever had in term of photos.
I'm coming from a Galaxy S6 how he's a "one of the best photos taker". He has a better camera that the LG G4 if you read the reviews. The best part it's that I think the S6 has a decent rear camera and a awful front camera who made your skin like a doll. Do you know why ? Because Samsung use a simple trick to avoid the noise in the photos : blur all the picture in low light and we can tell that our phones are really good in low light. I can tell you that this phone is really, but really better that my previous S6.
But I have compared with a S7 too (the S8 have the same lens and is considered one of the best photos takers of the market) and a iPhone 6s. He out-performed well all this phones. I don't even talk about the front camera who is simply the best in the market.
The only issue with the rear camera is in the low light, but this can be fixed with the Pro mode or the Google Camera modded with HDR+.