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Well I have to say, or rather share my depression from the lack of custom ROMS, zip, zilch, nada...
Since selling my Nexus 5, I've been checking the forums on this device more then I care to admit, hoping I see some [ROM] tags start to pop up on topics, I feel like i'm going through a withdraw, and a sudden withdraw, it's hard...
I don't even have a reason to root, other then trying to get some apps to work, couple that with the idea that unlocking bootloader on my Moto X 2014 Pure Edition feels like i'm doing something wrong, the act of doing that somehow downgrades the device, despite the device not loosing warranty...
Last concern is that flashing a custom recovery, and/or unrooting, updating OTA's, and flashing in general feels still untested/dangerous on this device.
I feel hopeless, I feel like I want to get the OnePlus One, and sell this device - The OPO Is so much cheaper, so much more for the money, plus it's got a TON of ROMs for it!.
Nexus 4 owner here. I feel ya! But this phone is as close to perfect as we can get. The only thing that bothers me is that we have to choose between moto display or ambient display. Imagine ambient display working with the sensors. So many possibilities with this phone. Maybe the dev section will blossom soon.
Yeah the dev support for both Moto Xs has been pretty scarce. I used to flash A LOT on my old HTC last year but I finally settled down with Paranoid Android. I'm rooted but there's no urge to flash for me mainly because of how barebones lollipop roms are. It's funny & a bit disheartening to be honest that my 2 year old device has multiple lollipop roms though :/
I come from a S3 [i9300] and I know the feel!! My External SD Card was filled only with CWM Backups / Titanium Backups and a range of roms
Had a 16 GB external SD card + 16 internal.. Don't miss the storage but yes do miss the flashing of the ROMs
TopazUser1 said:
Nexus 4 owner here. I feel ya! But this phone is as close to perfect as we can get. The only thing that bothers me is that we have to choose between moto display or ambient display. Imagine ambient display working with the sensors. So many possibilities with this phone. Maybe the dev section will blossom soon.
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Ambient Display is nice, I love it.
Was never a big fan of moto display, maybe if it was a bit more interesting, maybe if they did some more design to it to update it a bit, I would totally looooove if they did something with it that looks like the b&w side of this one
Or did something interesting with rendering the background dimly of the phone
Sorry Phandroid, I took an image of yours and used it to illustrate an idea.
Shemploo said:
I feel hopeless, I feel like I want to get the OnePlus One, and sell this device - The OPO Is so much cheaper, so much more for the money, plus it's got a TON of ROMs for it!.
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I feel exactly like you!
I'm happy of the device (it works very well) but I need something to flash...I need it!!!
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Well I have to say, or rather share my depression from the lack of custom ROMS, zip, zilch, nada...
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If you're unhappy with the lack of custom ROMs you could always learn how to develop and get the ball rolling. There are plenty of resources available.
I used to have the Moto G before this beast and I am more than happy. In my old G I used to flash Roms every week but that was more for the lack of performance and sensors. Now I am with moto X 1097 and I converted it to 1095 and I have to say: that's all I need. I hope with time developers will surprise us with some great things but by now this phone is close to perfect
Shemploo said:
Well I have to say, or rather share my depression from the lack of custom ROMS, zip, zilch, nada...
Since selling my Nexus 5, I've been checking the forums on this device more then I care to admit, hoping I see some [ROM] tags start to pop up on topics, I feel like i'm going through a withdraw, and a sudden withdraw, it's hard...
I don't even have a reason to root, other then trying to get some apps to work, couple that with the idea that unlocking bootloader on my Moto X 2014 Pure Edition feels like i'm doing something wrong, the act of doing that somehow downgrades the device, despite the device not loosing warranty...
Last concern is that flashing a custom recovery, and/or unrooting, updating OTA's, and flashing in general feels still untested/dangerous on this device.
I feel hopeless, I feel like I want to get the OnePlus One, and sell this device - The OPO Is so much cheaper, so much more for the money, plus it's got a TON of ROMs for it!.
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Interesting... I think that the main reason why there are no roms is that almost everyone that has this phone is more than happy with the features we have. I used to be like that too. When I first got my first moto x I thought it was absurd not having roms for it. Then I started noticing how fast the phone was and I found that most of the stuff I looked for on roms (improved performance and no bloatware) was already there! Same goes for the new x. Between lollipop and moto software I really see no point.
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I used to have the Moto G before this beast and I am more than happy. In my old G I used to flash Roms every week but that was more for the lack of performance and sensors. Now I am with moto X 1097 and I converted it to 1095 and I have to say: that's all I need. I hope with time developers will surprise us with some great things but by now this phone is close to perfect
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I'm hoping what I did with my note 3 doesn't happen to me again..there was 0 development for the first 6 months or so of device release and I sold it..a month later there were a ton of ROMs available.. That being said I'm happy currently without a ROM..but I am watching the thread in original development closely as he has brought some great cm ROMs to devices that weren't supported in the past
I grew tired of flashing ROMs years ago. The Moto X is super refreshing in that it is perfect the way it is and I don't need to flash a ROM to get it to perform the way I want. Just use Xposed and a couple modules and I am a happy camper.
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_MetalHead_ said:
I grew tired of flashing ROMs years ago. The Moto X is super refreshing in that it is perfect the way it is and I don't need to flash a ROM to get it to perform the way I want. Just use Xposed and a couple modules and I am a happy camper.
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Well. I am in Lollipop and Xposed is not supported. And by far, Android 5 is superior than 4.4. No regrets at all but more development will be appreciated
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Well. I am in Lollipop and Xposed is not supported. And by far, Android 5 is superior than 4.4. No regrets at all but more development will be appreciated
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I couldn't disagree more. KitKat is a fully functional finished product whereas Lollipop still has a loooong way to go. I have an L ROM on my N5 and I play with it from time to time. It has its pluses, but KitKat for me is perfect. Especially when you throw Xposed into the mix. To each his own though, you know?
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This is pretty simple - If you miss flashing ROM's sooooo much, sell your Moto X and buy a phone with a big dev community. Problem solved.
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I couldn't disagree more. KitKat is a fully functional finished product whereas Lollipop still has a loooong way to go. I have an L ROM on my N5 and I play with it from time to time. It has its pluses, but KitKat for me is perfect. Especially when you throw Xposed into the mix. To each his own though, you know?
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Def to each his own. I could never see myself going back to 4.4 even with Xposed. Lollipop is so much nicer!
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I couldn't disagree more. KitKat is a fully functional finished product whereas Lollipop still has a loooong way to go. I have an L ROM on my N5 and I play with it from time to time. It has its pluses, but KitKat for me is perfect. Especially when you throw Xposed into the mix. To each his own though, you know?
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Wow! Nice to see that side. I am IN LOVE with lollipop, i could never use kitkat again. If i had an n5 like you and saw lollipop i coudnt live with my moto x not having it. Then again, to get lollipop on verizon is literally why i bought this phone
I agree 100% with Diesel
For the others with a problem of no ROMS, why not take the time you spent flashing ROMS and learn to develop a new ROM. You will get what you want and make plenty of others happy at the same time. The tools are free and readily available if you search.
Diesel779 said:
This is pretty simple - If you miss flashing ROM's sooooo much, sell your Moto X and buy a phone with a big dev community. Problem solved.
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I couldn't disagree more. KitKat is a fully functional finished product whereas Lollipop still has a loooong way to go. I have an L ROM on my N5 and I play with it from time to time. It has its pluses, but KitKat for me is perfect. Especially when you throw Xposed into the mix. To each his own though, you know?
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disagree? sending from an iPhone? :highfive:
Xposed is a great tool for those who want to keep stock and have a taste of developers performance.
Lollipop at soak sucks, but when is official is great. As I said, I love the performance, battery and looks of the new android... and in my old moto G was not the same, even with CM 12
regards my good fellow
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disagree? sending from an iPhone? :highfive:
Xposed is a great tool for those who want to keep stock and have a taste of developers performance.
Lollipop at soak sucks, but when is official is great. As I said, I love the performance, battery and looks of the new android... and in my old moto G was not the same, even with CM 12
regards my good fellow
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Yep, sent from an iPhone
I get why everyone likes Lollipop, it's just not for me. At least not yet. I have plenty of experience with it, I just keep going back to KitKat every time.
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Yep, sent from an iPhone
I get why everyone likes Lollipop, it's just not for me. At least not yet. I have plenty of experience with it, I just keep going back to KitKat every time.
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well, it dependes of the person, I am using Android since 1.6 (Motorola X1, iDen technology) and now, Lollipop for ME is just amazing, maybe I need to use iPhone to see what is the big deal about it :fingers-crossed:
I really want to get this Moto X because I loved the 1st gen so much, but I feel like we will get screwed over when it's time for Android N and Android O. I'm not sure if I should go Moto X for the next two years or Nexus 6p. I'm coming from a Nexus 5 as my daily driver and I love the Nexus advantage man. Opinions?
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I really want to get this Moto X because I loved the 1st gen so much, but I feel like we will get screwed over when it's time for Android N and Android O. I'm not sure if I should go Moto X for the next two years or Nexus 6p. I'm coming from a Nexus 5 as my daily driver and I love the Nexus advantage man. Opinions?
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Nexus guaranteed. Any other phone its up in the air. If you really care about immediate updates and bug fixes then its nexus. If updated are secondary or you can wait then moto. Plus anything can happen.
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Nexus guaranteed. Any other phone its up in the air. If you really care about immediate updates and bug fixes then its nexus. If updated are secondary or you can wait then moto. Plus anything can happen.
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I don't see how anyone could not have the latest update right away. I get so excited for new features I can't sit back and watch. Motorola claimed to be able to send get updates out faster due to no carriers but that doesn't guarantee support for the coming years its depressing this just hit me.
Really your preference, they are both solid devices. The better performer is the 6p, the moto x is a pretty close second. There's really no evidence comparing the two devices just yet, if that matters to you then wait a few more days until YouTubers post some comparison videos so you can get a closer look. Motorola is usually a month behind nexus devices for updates, but remember they are two to three months faster than your typical Samsung, lg etc..
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Really your preference, they are both solid devices. The better performer is the 6p, the moto x is a pretty close second. There's really no evidence comparing the two devices just yet, if that matters to you then wait a few more days until YouTubers post some comparison videos so you can get a closer look. Motorola is usually a month behind nexus devices for updates, but remember they are two to three months faster than your typical Samsung, lg etc..
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This is exactly the reason I went with moto instead of nexus. I also use my sd card (64gb) which I can't use in a nexus. They both run stock Android and are the best contenders right now for quick updates. Anyone else is going to be lagging behind or left behind.
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I really want marshmallow right now because of the memory merge feature sdcard will become internal memory no need to separate things anymore.
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I really want marshmallow right now because of the memory merge feature sdcard will become internal memory no need to separate things anymore.
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Soon.
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Think we're forgetting the benefit of being able to unlock the bootloader and easily load ROMS with the MXPE. This will allow the unit to endure long past other limited phones that were not unlockable or rootable. Before the MXPE I owned a Note 3. And in the last month I installed a lollipop ROM that was side loadable and that really boosted its lifespan and useability. I owned that phone for two years which could easily have lengthened that useability to another year or better. I came pretty close to not even purchasing the MXPE due to this fact but I figured a unlocked BL phone along with the improved camera on the MXPE made it wise to upgrade at this time. Not too many phones anymore can be unlocked and that, to me, is a huge factor-allowing for future upgrades regardless what the carrier or Moto does.
Our bootloader is unlocked. Motorola has been good about releasing sources so far. We already have one or two ROMs for our device. I'm waiting for CM official to be released, personally. I think the chances of us getting these updates are decent, at least from the community development standpoint. Officially, I'm a little concerned beyond M, but I won't be staying on stock that much longer.
But how do you guys feel on staying on a older version of Android when the new one gets released? Does it bother you any?
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But how do you guys feel on staying on a older version of Android when the new one gets released? Does it bother you any?
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Well...not all new versions of operating systems are better than their predecessors... ie. Windows 8.
Now I am one who usually is a bleeding-edge technology user but with that comes the whole bugs issue. There are those who are a bit more conservative. These guys do not mind waiting for a more perfected solution. You sound like you are a bleeding-edge kind of guy and that is a very frustrating position to be in when there is something new and you can not have it due to your choice of phone/manufacturer. In that case I feel your pain. But for me the MXPE seems to be the the best balance in the regard.
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But how do you guys feel on staying on a older version of Android when the new one gets released? Does it bother you any?
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I bought this phone rather than a Nexus because of its SD. That's more important to me than waiting a month or two for M. Now, if a new Android version drops in a year and Moto denies MXPE owners the upgrade, I'll grit my teeth and think about moving back to Samsung. I'll admit, it would shock me though...
<rant>Headslap for Googler who nixed SD for the Nexus. Stupid.</rant>
george241312 said:
I really want marshmallow right now because of the memory merge feature sdcard will become internal memory no need to separate things anymore.
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Prepare ur UHS-II card.
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In my honest opinion I don't think Motorola will abandon this device, they have put a lot of emphasis on their definition of the word "pure" and what it entails. Also, like a few people have stated, you can significantly increase the lifespan by easily unlocking the bootloader and installing custom roms. Once cyanogenmod rolls out a stable release they are usually followed by nightly updates, literally almost every night for a long, long time. My LG G2 has been getting nightly updates since 2013.
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In my honest opinion I don't think Motorola will abandon this device, they have put a lot of emphasis on their definition of the word "pure" and what it entails. Also, like a few people have stated, you can significantly increase the lifespan by easily unlocking the bootloader and installing custom roms. Once cyanogenmod rolls out a stable release they are usually followed by nightly updates, literally almost every night for a long, long time. My LG G2 has been getting nightly updates since 2013.
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It's all fun cool until their new flagship comes out. We'll see how they treat the 2014 Pure edition.
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It's all fun cool until their new flagship comes out. We'll see how they treat the 2014 Pure edition.
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This was the driving point for me leaving Samsung after the s3. Samsung would not even push any otas of the newest version of Android until their newest flagship with that update was released and had enough time in the light. They also hardly updated it to the newest version of touchwiz that the new flagship had, almost forcing those users to upgrade to get those features.
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This was the driving point for me leaving Samsung after the s3. Samsung would not even push any otas of the newest version of Android until their newest flagship with that update was released and had enough time in the light. They also hardly updated it to the newest version of touchwiz that the new flagship had, almost forcing those users to upgrade to get those features.
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EXACTLY and to think... Carriers expected us to keep a phone for 2 years at that time.
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This depends on the version I am left with. My G2 was left on a very buggy version Lollipop. I elected to stay on KitKat due to better battery life and overall better performance of the phone. I like to be on the latest version if it is better but am satisfied staying on an older version if it does everything I need. Granted, I am not a gamer and use my phone mostly for voice calls, emails, Tapatalk, web surfing as needed, and text messages.
None of the Android phones are getting updates on a schedule sufficient to come anywhere close to mitigating security vulnerabilities. Not even Nexus. Most phones are likely infected with malware, even Nexus. All it takes is one of hundreds of infected apps, still up for download from the Google Play Store.
This aspect of the Android ecosystem is shameful. Evidently, there is not enough money in the business model to do a good job at this. Google made a big PR release promising better updates for all including cheap Android One devices, and ratcheted the promises up further after the first Stagefright exploit hit the news, and what really came of all the promises? Not much. A little better update performance for the few big names already known for better (but still pathetic) update performance.
So since security is already nonexistent, and updates will never resolve that, the only remaining reason to care is fault corrections (aka bug fixes) and features/support. The XT1575 is not perfect but it does OK in those two categories for me at 5.1.1, no worse than other phones I've had. I'll take an OTA to get LTE Band 12 /VoLTE when it comes, but otherwise don't see a compelling reason to care much about updates since the security vulns are going to be there anyway, and updates always introduce at least as many faults as they fix.
As for long-term support: This whole thing converges on a 2 year life cycle. You run into rapidly diminishing returns after that, it's not worth it to keep the phone going after 2 years. (Spent a lot of time and money keeping phones going past 2 years, believe me it's not worth it, chunk it and get a new one after 2 years.) So who cares if updates stop somewhere after a year?
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I don't see how anyone could not have the latest update right away. I get so excited for new features I can't sit back and watch. Motorola claimed to be able to send get updates out faster due to no carriers but that doesn't guarantee support for the coming years its depressing this just hit me.
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I don't jump on the newest Android versions immediately, for two reasons.
1). Compatibility issues.
For example, you have a new major version of Android out that changes the way some UI elements are displayed. Not every app you have installed will be updated to support that on day 1. A fully-functional-but-slightly-older phone beats a bleeding-edge-mostly-functional phone.
2). You lose root.
This isn't an issue on an unlocked bootloader phone like the MXPE. But to date, most Android phones have locked bootloaders, and only got root through discovering some exploit. A new version of Android means potentially losing root, and potentially requiring the dev community to find another exploit to gain root. A rooted-but-slightly-older phone beats an unrooted-and-carrier-bloatware-loaded phone.
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Although a great phone there are other flagship phones like the Pixel, V20 that are taking priority. I'm sure the Devs are jumping onto the pixel and the 6p is still going. Will this phone ever see any customized ROM? Thoughts....
I dont think so.. maybe far away in future xD
Never. It's impossible.
Yeah, that's the feeling I'm getting too. The adoption rate is way too low. It's sad really; it's such a great phone.
Zte seems to have screwed the pooch, we're at almost 6 months of marketing jargon claiming that unlocked bootloader, hardway overlays, and stock images are coming but the phones relevancy is steadily diminishing Still, it's cheap.
Zte have terribly failed and honestly not getting a zte again
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It's nothing like that at all. They are applying their changes to cm source and sending it back. This way we ensure everything is the same as stock. This is probably the first time an OEM has ever done something like this.
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He's been putting in major work and is in contact with ZTE, the initial port of CM always takes time, there's a reason you don't ask for ETAs.
Now that we have the B20 factory image it will be much easier to move forward on stock ROM tweaks (Debloat, Deodex) as we now have an official fail-safe / rollback.
Patience is the key on XDA
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Yeah, that's the feeling I'm getting too. The adoption rate is way too low. It's sad really; it's such a great phone.
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Hey I'm in the market, I got Verizon's v20 and I don't like it so I'm taking it back probably Monday. I'm looking around at different options because I want outstanding audio does the axon A7 have incredible sound? anything you can tell me about to be great.
What carrier are you using it on?
Is there a way to root it and tot back to original "out of box" state?
Thanks for taking the time.
Sincerely,
DjRobBlaze
Honestly, if ZTE themselves are having trouble getting the audio working, then it's probably not happening. Might have to sell soon, and hop on the OnePlus 3(T?). Sucks, because the hardware on this phone blows the OP3 out of the water on many fronts.
Funny reading. Yes there will be support. Guess it's the waiting game from now on.
more people should learn to code instead of wasting their time *****ing about development.
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He's been putting in major work and is in contact with ZTE, the initial port of CM always takes time, there's a reason you don't ask for ETAs.
Now that we have the B20 factory image it will be much easier to move forward on stock ROM tweaks (Debloat, Deodex) as we now have an official fail-safe / rollback.
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That was a week ago
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choadtron11 said:
more people should learn to code instead of wasting their time *****ing about development.
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More people should become a doctor instead of going to the hospital and *****ing about their problems
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More people should become a doctor instead of going to the hospital and *****ing about their problems
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That analogy would work if doctors were working for free and hospitals didn't require any money to operate.
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That analogy would work if doctors were working for free and hospitals didn't require any money to operate.
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Read it again
In principle, we should see customised ROMs. Bootloader is unlocked and we have full images.
Regrettably, there are very few developers working on this device.
There is only one dev working on CM.
To my knowledge, no developers are working on "customising" stock ROMs: Deodex, debloat, tweak k
I really like the hardware on this phone. Screen, DAC, battery life and front speakers are great. Camera is not elite but more than adequate.
I will wait a while longer. If ROM development stays dead, I will have to move on. One thing is certain, I am never again buying a phone without an established development community. My decision to rely on ZTE promises was not prudent.
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He's been putting in major work and is in contact with ZTE, the initial port of CM always takes time, there's a reason you don't ask for ETAs.
Now that we have the B20 factory image it will be much easier to move forward on stock ROM tweaks (Debloat, Deodex) as we now have an official fail-safe / rollback.
Patience is the key on XDA
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I really hope so, but as a company Cyanogen are in a terrible mess, and ZTE have shown themselves incapable of organising a piss-up in a brewery...
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In principle, we should see customised ROMs. Bootloader is unlocked and we have full images.
Regrettably, there are very few developers working on this device.
There is only one dev working on CM.
To my knowledge, no developers are working on "customising" stock ROMs: Deodex, debloat, tweak k
I really like the hardware on this phone. Screen, DAC, battery life and front speakers are great. Camera is not elite but more than adequate.
I will wait a while longer. If ROM development stays dead, I will have to move on. One thing is certain, I am never again buying a phone without an established development community. My decision to rely on ZTE promises was not prudent.
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i think excactly the same
I don't mind not having a Custom ROM if the stock one is decent. Unfortunately MiFavor is not 100% to my liking + they (almost) ignore the EU community (except for ZTE Germany).
In the case of CM I think they are handling it okay. Official BL unlock is definitely coming for the US model and they are currently implementing their audio solution to CM, after that there should be a couple of Roms that can cherry pick CM stuff and build their own features on it.
It's not ZTE's fault for having no Custom Rom programmers among their customers
*hoping there will be a vast Rom landscape in 2017*!
Just bought an Anox 7 a few days ago with a new contract since my Xiaomi (and I'll never recommend a xiaomi device to anyone anymore) is f*cked.
As soon as the phone has arrived, I'll start to brew a resurrection remix.
See you guys soon
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Just bought an Anox 7 a few days ago with a new contract since my Xiaomi (and I'll never recommend a xiaomi device to anyone anymore) is f*cked.
As soon as the phone has arrived, I'll start to brew a resurrection remix.
See you guys soon
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Fantastic news! Welcome aboard!
One of the strong points of the Nexus and Pixel line is that you can get frequent updates (https://developers.google.com/android/images). How will the updates look like from Essential? One time upgrade, and then abandon us? Or frequent ASOP updates with fixes?
Whatever they may say about it, we won't really know until the updates come or not. It's being said it's either very close to stock or stock so getting upgrades out should be easy enough in a practical sense.
I'm pretty sure Rubin said in his hour long interview witih Walt Mossberg that it would get regular month security updates, if not better.
The bigger concern is how long will they support the phone for? Just two or three years like Google (making the phone insecure and obsolete after that)? Or five years like Apple? Even more importantly, what if they just don't succeed. If the company folds after a year or two, there will certainly be no updates after that. That's a chance one takes with a new company.
The community will carry it for a while if they move enough of them. As to Rubin, the proof is in the pudding. We've been sold the regular updates thing before and never actually got them or had them stop short. Time will tell.
I don't see updates being a problem. It seems to pretty much be stock Android with a few added features for the cameras and their modules to be released.
Right, but the question is how long they will lag. Lots of manufacturers make claims about updates.
Have they made any statements?
I played with one yesterday and it is almost completely stock 7.1.1 except for the camera software and the little bits in the code that control the modules. I see Andy making sure this gets updated to Oreo by the time the new pixels drop. that is 2 months out. dont quote me though
This is what I wanted to know, since its basically stock. Will it get Oreo (Android 8.0) fairly soon?
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This is what I wanted to know, since its basically stock. Will it get Oreo (Android 8.0) fairly soon?
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Considering how Android Oreo is built I say there is a good chance of quickish updates. 8.0 keeps the make Android code separate from any customizations now. They leave the hooks open do to your own thing besides their code. I think this is why Andy went super stock with 7.1.1 to make it easier later on and they can do more customization leader with their software because it will be easier after Oreo.
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MKBHD and I were talking to one of their software engineers (who use to work for Google as well) at the event on Monday and he told us they were already working on Oreo. In MKBHD's unboxing and first impressions video he mentioned a few of the things that were talked about in that discussion like it being easier to quickly update because it's so close to stock etc.. Although, once they release their home device with Ambient OS I bet we see more customizations on the phone firmware to accommodate that
One thing I question, why 7.1.1 vs 7.1.2? .2 offered a few neat last bit of features before 8.0 so its interesting why almost all OEM's have stuck with 1.1 before possibly jumping to 8.0.
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One thing I question, why 7.1.1 vs 7.1.2? .2 offered a few neat last bit of features before 8.0 so its interesting why almost all OEM's have stuck with 1.1 before possibly jumping to 8.0.
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Unless I'm reading it wrong it looks like the 7.1.2 update was targeted for Nexus and Pixel devices. Most of the fixes fix issues specific to those devices so why would an OEM port an update that doesn't affect their device.
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Unless I'm reading it wrong it looks like the 7.1.2 update was targeted for Nexus and Pixel devices. Most of the fixes fix issues specific to those devices so why would an OEM port an update that doesn't affect their device.
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This may be true, but it did also bring thins like the long touch shortcut feature as well as the fingerprint sensor swipe feature that may work on other hardware that had the same sensor hardware.
It's not a big deal, and though we have 8.0 now, I might want to wait a bit for Google to release a update to that as well hearing what I am from early adopters that have 8.0 now on their Pixel's. New features and battery life improvements plagued with persistent notifications, worse BT, and other odds and bits that seem like rushed bugs.
Exactly what I would expect from Version X.0 for a major OS change so not surprising at all.
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I'm pretty sure Rubin said in his hour long interview witih Walt Mossberg that it would get regular month security updates, if not better.
The bigger concern is how long will they support the phone for? Just two or three years like Google (making the phone insecure and obsolete after that)? Or five years like Apple? Even more importantly, what if they just don't succeed. If the company folds after a year or two, there will certainly be no updates after that. That's a chance one takes with a new company.
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A very valid concern. Especially since these sorts of people and companies throw a bunch of money at stuff and if it doesnt look like it is going to get the giant return on the investment they hope within a year or so then they do shut it down and move on to their next big thing.
My other concern with this is if we will get full kernel source or not as well. I would assume yes, since Andy helped make the deal about Andsroid being so open and sources available, but you never know with phone OEMs. Even though this is basically stock ROM, I bet the kernel source will be needed so we can interface the best with the accessory pins and make use of the custom camera stuff.
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A very valid concern. Especially since these sorts of people and companies throw a bunch of money at stuff and if it doesnt look like it is going to get the giant return on the investment they hope within a year or so then they do shut it down and move on to their next big thing.
My other concern with this is if we will get full kernel source or not as well. I would assume yes, since Andy helped make the deal about Andsroid being so open and sources available, but you never know with phone OEMs. Even though this is basically stock ROM, I bet the kernel source will be needed so we can interface the best with the accessory pins and make use of the custom camera stuff.
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Also, even if they make the kernel source available, will the phone be popular with developers? It seems like the sort of phone that might. As you say, Rubin is very supportive of open source (even on the hardware for the modules). But on the other hand, it's an expensive and quirky phone. Even the Pixel (with its huge price jump and move away from the Nexus brand) took much longer to catch on with developers than previous Nexus phones had. I'm hoping the devs like it.
So maybe it's because I'm coming from a Nexus 6 and a Nexus 6p but the pixel development doesn't seem to be as bountiful. Could be the fact Oreo just got released and devs are busy or the pixel is harder to work with. Not complaining, just an observation. Just scored a pixel for nothing so this should get me through till the pixel 3 comes out. Really nice phone.
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So maybe it's because I'm coming from a Nexus 6 and a Nexus 6p but the pixel development doesn't seem to be as bountiful. Could be the fact Oreo just got released and devs are busy or the pixel is harder to work with. Not complaining, just an observation. Just scored a pixel for nothing so this should get me through till the pixel 3 comes out. Really nice phone.
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Also, the ownership takes a huge hit from sooo many Verizon owners being locked out of any rooting or mods of any kind. Big Red tells us that these phones are not ours to do with what we want. I would bet even after you pay the phone off you still won't be able to unlock your bootloader.
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Also, the ownership takes a huge hit from sooo many Verizon owners being locked out of any rooting or mods of any kind. Big Red tells us that these phones are not ours to do with what we want. I would bet even after you pay the phone off you still won't be able to unlock your bootloader.
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That's true. Guess I didn't think of that. I'm in a area where Verizon is not good at all so to me they don't seem like a big deal. Then again I'm on us cellular which is way small lol. I wish I could get in that TMobile or att train and use a one plus device. That seems like the new Nexus but with no cdma support I can't get it.
This is actually the first phone that I felt satisfied with out of the box. I used be a flashaholic, but now I haven't even rooted my XL. Maybe that sentiment is also common.
yeah dev definitely slowed down after oreo update since it broke twrp for a while and devs had to figure out why rom flashes were bootlooping. just saw pixel dust was released for oreo so if you want a custom rom you can give that one a shot https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-xl/development/rom-pixeldust-marlin-t3581750
It wasn't just Oreo hampering development. Even on Nougat it was a long effort just to dev recovery and root due to new system (A/B partitions) and security.
Stock Oreo is so solid no real need for ROM. It's enough to root and do a few tweaks or install kernel or run root apps. Even on 7.1 the custom roms offer very little over stock to bother with them.
So like I said I'm new to the pixel. What is the hot kernel? I know elemental is always a solid choice but I loved @TheFLash kernel on my Nexus 6p. What are you guys running for some additional battery life?
using kirisakura right now https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-xl/development/kernel-kirisakura-kernel-0-1-t3554330 dev is active and always updates every month
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So like I said I'm new to the pixel. What is the hot kernel? I know elemental is always a solid choice but I loved @TheFLash kernel on my Nexus 6p. What are you guys running for some additional battery life?
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Most use the Elemental X. There was also Franco, but no Oreo compatibility yet.
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So maybe it's because I'm coming from a Nexus 6 and a Nexus 6p but the pixel development doesn't seem to be as bountiful. Could be the fact Oreo just got released and devs are busy or the pixel is harder to work with. Not complaining, just an observation. Just scored a pixel for nothing so this should get me through till the pixel 3 comes out. Really nice phone.
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I think it has a lot to do with how smooth the software is by default and how much Android has evolved. We can now theme are phones without root on stock roms, use picture in picture, split screen apps. Battery life is good, bloat is minimal. I'm running out of reasons to install a rom, there really is no longer a bit performance jump. The only rom I'm really interested in is Paranoid Android when it's Oreo release drops. They offer some very cool features that makes it just worth the effort such as the PIE wheel.
@snoprosledneck88 May I ask how you got a pixel for nothing? Been trying to get one for development/app development but don't feel like spending hundreds when I have a perfectly good phone right now.
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@snoprosledneck88 May I ask how you got a pixel for nothing? Been trying to get one for development/app development but don't feel like spending hundreds when I have a perfectly good phone right now.
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It was a replacement phone for a Nexus 6p that had a bad battery.
For me, it has to do with how smooth the phone is out of the box and the evolution of Substratum to enable theming which completes my needs.
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For me, it has to do with how smooth the phone is out of the box and the evolution of Substratum to enable theming which completes my needs.
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That's true. If I was on a "stable build" I would root and use it. (I'm on the Android beta program) I know you can do it without root but you need to buy another app so for right now it's a no-go.
You can root 8.1 beta no problem.
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You can root 8.1 beta no problem.
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I know you can. Maybe a little lazy haha. How often does android release a new beta? This is my first time being on it, always have flashed roms.
I gotta say I do miss the tons of options that come with custom roms.. Little things like the speed meter in the status bar, customizing the buttons, hardware volume keys to audio skip, etc.
Sure they aren't functional necessities but damn nice amenities once you get used to them. Does there exist something to add these kinds of features to 8.x?
Since Oreo release i don't flash Custom ROMs anymore. too much effort for me and i can spend that time on something productive ? .. I'm not missing any feature either. Skip playlist with volume button can be done with tasker, for data speed on status bar I'm using an app. For missing tiles in the extended notification panel, I'm using"tiles" app.
Right now on 8.1 beta. There will be another DP coming this month and then final launch in December I guess. Most stable DP1 I've even used so far
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Dp1 with root has been amazing. Incredible fluidity and insane battery. Zero complaints. Miss some small tweaks, and would love always on display, but we've come a long way from donut and eclair
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Also, the ownership takes a huge hit from sooo many Verizon owners being locked out of any rooting or mods of any kind. Big Red tells us that these phones are not ours to do with what we want. I would bet even after you pay the phone off you still won't be able to unlock your bootloader.
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I did a warranty exchange on my 32GB Verizon Pixel XL and they sent me a brand new 128GB Version. I booted it the 1st time with my TMO SIM and been happy ever since Bootloader UNLOCKED, Rooted, etc. There is however a lack of development compared to the Nexus 6, but flashing on the Pixel is like no other device. I'm new to the community and was confused as hell with the A Partion and B Partion flashing. Never ran into this before the Pixel, but im getting the hang of it...