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Hrm.. This is interesting.. I used to always charge my G1 with AC power. However past couple days, I was lazy and used my laptop USB to charge it. I noticed those days however the battery life was HORRIBLE! I mean I couldnt even get past lets say 9 hours without the battery being at 15-30% and this is without doing anything major. On AC I always got home with 50%.
Has anyone else noticed this? I am using the power profiler mode, so unless something goes out of whack on USB power mode, which I dont see why it would...
(Also I did turn off phone and back on to reset anything just in case) but its just a interesting thing that it seems USB charges suck?
Yes I noticed the same thing, used the computer USB to charge and only lasted about 6 hours of the day. I use the Wall charger and get about 9 hours consistantly. Not sure why but I have noticed this several times........
Mark
Every Tmobile rep I've talked to always say the AC charger does a better job of charging the phone.
Hrm, is this info on a G1 Wiki yet? Would be good info to pass around. My logicial guess is that USB charging can only allow the voltage on the battery to charge to "x" max. While AC power being stronger could bring the battery up more. I cant say thats fully the case.. but since the USB cannot supply the power max a AC could.. its possible.
I've got and idea for a little test, would be helpful to see a lot of different users results as well..
Get Battery Graph, run your phone dead, plug in usb charger and graph. then take a screenshot of the overall charge time, clear graph
Run it dead again, plug in AC charger #1 and and repeat
Repeat the process for each additional recharging apparatus
The reason I mention additional apparatuses is because I think my car's DC charger does better than both ac and usb (tho this will be hard to get a full accurate graph of) , also I use my gf's moto charger from time to time (i know bad mojo)..
This will probably take a few days as charging will take place at sleep time for me but this should give us an over all view of how things are working if we all get pretty consistent results..
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Hrm.. This is interesting.. I used to always charge my G1 with AC power. However past couple days, I was lazy and used my laptop USB to charge it. I noticed those days however the battery life was HORRIBLE! I mean I couldnt even get past lets say 9 hours without the battery being at 15-30% and this is without doing anything major. On AC I always got home with 50%.
Has anyone else noticed this? I am using the power profiler mode, so unless something goes out of whack on USB power mode, which I dont see why it would...
(Also I did turn off phone and back on to reset anything just in case) but its just a interesting thing that it seems USB charges suck?
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I've had 4 different miniUSB charging phones and all of them have had this same behavior. I'm sure that the voltage coming through the USB isn't as strong as AC.
I have the same issue too...!!!
No offense.. but EVERY phone charges better w/AC versus USB .. This is not just a G1 issue .... lol
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No offense.. but EVERY phone charges better w/AC versus USB .. This is not just a G1 issue .... lol
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Indeed.
Also, USB charges at 500 mAh, while the AC gives double if i remember correctly.
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No offense.. but EVERY phone charges better w/AC versus USB .. This is not just a G1 issue .... lol
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Im wondering, if I use my usb while plugged into my laptop (for tether wifi app) will this hamper my battery life? I have the extended battery (2200mah) and I get far better life from it and to be honest I like the bigger size because the g1 felt too much like a toy to me before.
What do you guys think will this mess it up? I dont have wifi at home so the tetherwifi app is the only way I have net on my laptop unless I go somewhere where they have wifi. Cursed neighrbors and there password protected networks!
Might using a USB stepup voltage converter help? I've used it to charge my Nokia phone on usb in the past so it would reach the battery is full message.
The argument is usually that laptop usb don't output adequate voltage.
Its cheap and works for me on the nokia phone, Haven't tried it on the G1 yet though, can anyone find the ac charger's output info?
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2649
yea this goes for alot of devices.. my ipod/psp charge pretty slow compared to wall outlet, however i didnt really see strength difference.. never tried USB charging my g1
I think it's worth noting I have the G1, My girlfriend has a HTC Touch(Elfin)
Both use Mini-USB Charging, both have 5V 1A Batteries (can't remember mA rating though)
Through a wall charger, my phone seems to charge quicker, but I get no longer out of it, the same behaviour is exhibited with the Touch. Both USB and the Wall charger are rated at 5V (It would/coul destroy componants methinks if it was any higher).
USB's Specifications say that unless a device has special permissions, It can only draw 500mA, with a maximum of 1000mA and a very rare (as in, one maybe two things use it) 2000mA.
Also, I have a custom made USB charger, that takes 3 AAA batteries (1.5x3 = 4.5)
It causes the phones internal battery to mess up, but does actually charge it (just a lot longer than other methods). It's more of an extended battery however, as it says it is charging, yet the battery life slowly degrades.
It's simple really and it has already been explained.
The USB port on a computer is limited to 500mA for most devices where as AC chargers like
The G1's can rpovide up to 1 Amp, even more/less depending on the chargers.
It doesn't depend on the voltage but on the current delivered. Less current equals
More time to charge and viceversa,
There is no myth.
Came from a TP2 and I could charge via USB at around 900 mA using fast charge driver.
Since I am a complete Android n00b, and an EVO n00b I have two questions.
1. Are there any apps out there that can show you how fast the battery is charging and discharging? I had one called Battery Monitor in WM, and I want an Android version of that.
2. It appears that USB charging is quite slow. Can anyone confirm the speed at which this phone charges via a USB port?
3. Is there a way to make this faster?
TIA!!
1. Are there any apps out there that can show you how fast the battery is charging and discharging? I had one called Battery Monitor in WM, and I want an Android version of that.
2. It appears that USB charging is quite slow. Can anyone confirm the speed at which this phone charges via a USB port?
3. Is there a way to make this faster?
A 1. I don't believe there is one (someone correct me if wrong), but there are apps to monitor your battery percentage.
A 2. Not sure, shouldn't be too long, how long is it taking yours?
A 3. I don't believe so.
Hero's Hero said:
1. Are there any apps out there that can show you how fast the battery is charging and discharging? I had one called Battery Monitor in WM, and I want an Android version of that.
2. It appears that USB charging is quite slow. Can anyone confirm the speed at which this phone charges via a USB port?
3. Is there a way to make this faster?
A 1. I don't believe there is one (someone correct me if wrong), but there are apps to monitor your battery percentage.
A 2. Not sure, shouldn't be too long, how long is it taking yours?
A 3. I don't believe so.
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Thanks...Not sure how long it takes as I havent had the phone too long. I know while plugged into my computer last night it wouldn't charge very well.
Computers have much lower power than a wall socket. If you want to charge the EVO fast use the wall plug. Anyone who uses a Mac and the wired keyboard should know what I am talking about.
Please search before posting...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=591041
A USB port provides 500ma of power, you can get micro USB cable that will Y off and plug into two USB ports, providing 1000ma of power.
Grims said:
A USB port provides 500ma of power, you can get micro USB cable that will Y off and plug into two USB ports, providing 1000ma of power.
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Every computer I owned charged my TP2 at around 800-900 mA as long as the fast charge driver was on the phone.
So I know for a fact that it's possible. It's limited by the phone, not the USB port. Appreciate the reply, but did you read Negrito's link?
And Negrito, I did search... This forum.... No hits. I see the link you provided was in the Hero forum. I didn't realize that the fast charge USB issue was affecting other Android phones as this is my first.
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And Negrito, I did search... This forum.... No hits. I see the link you provided was in the Hero forum. I didn't realize that the fast charge USB issue was affecting other Android phones as this is my first.
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My bad broseph, totally forgot im still subscribed to Hero threads. I just switched to the Evo Launch day.
Its not really an issue per se as that's how all phones normally operate. On WinMo we just got spoiled my No2Chems hack. Anyone know if No2Chem made the jump to Android?
I have seen a lot of familiar names on the Evo forum, like OMJ, and Caulkin!!! I cant wait until someone comes up with an untethered root option and how to bypass the NAND cause I know the ROMs are just going to be simply amazing.
Was digging around in the custom menus, can't remember which one, but one of the ones that you type ##numbers# and enter your MSL and there was a check box for USB charging. Mine was unchecked for some reason. I left it alone but wonder if that makes a difference?
I've tested a few charging scenarios and can tell you that using a wall charger that outputs 1000 ma will help speed up the charge.
These from Monoprice work very well:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10311&cs_id=1031106&p_id=6767&seq=1&format=2
want the same thing for the car?
try this one.
Here's the link to a micro usb cable at monoprice for $1.20.
There's a nice Rosewill 4 port charger, that will output 2000 ma IF you have only one device plugged in. With two devices plugged in, it falls back to 1000 ma (still really good). I have this in the kitchen for the kids to jack their various usb things in for charging.
The thing to remember is that the phone will pull as much as it can (most recent phones can pull between 750 and 1000 ma.) What will cause it to charge slower is not usually a software setting, it's having a port that will only put out 500 ma or less...which is what many computers output.
Sean
there is an option in settings /devolopment for usb charging doesnt ssy what it does though
I don't think mine has taken more than 4-5 hours to fully charge and signal strength isn't the greatest at my house so that probably has an impact on it as well... I've no idea if that's normal for a smartphone or if it's considered slow, I don't think my Sony Ericsson feature phone was any faster but the battery indicator on that thing was wildly inaccurate anyway.
My EVO seems to charge just as fast w/the included HTC adapter as with a generic Philips one I had, as well as one of those retractable cables. I was afraid that cable wouldn't be very well shielded and it wouldn't charge right but it seems fine, I'll only be using it when I travel anyway.
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My bad broseph, totally forgot im still subscribed to Hero threads. I just switched to the Evo Launch day.
Its not really an issue per se as that's how all phones normally operate. On WinMo we just got spoiled my No2Chems hack. Anyone know if No2Chem made the jump to Android?
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No one has seen nor heard from No2Chem in months... Some people think he may have died
I could charge my Touch Pro 2 in about an hour or two using a standard usb plug on any computer I owned.
Might I add the Touch Pro 2 and the EVO share the same identical battery. The EVO obviously draws more current..... I found while using my EVO while plugged into a computer, it barely charges at all. My guess is its discharging while charging at a very similar rate.
Contrary to what most of you are saying, the ma rating of the charger really makes no difference as the phone (and prior htc phones) will pull <500ma if they detect they are plugged into a computer or non-official charger and 1a if they detect an htc charger (which can even damage 500ma chargers). The way this is detected is through grounding of one of the microusb pins in the official charger (and indeed many generic chargers but not all will be detected this way). Absent this grounding (I forget which pin), it will charge at a slower speed. I know of cheap 500ma chargers which have been caused to smoke by attaching a cable with that grounding fooling the phone into thinking it is an oem charger. Many chargers labeled 1a will charge at the 500ma rate as well.
Also, modern computers are fully capable of outputting 1a of power through the usb port. While the spec indeed is 500ma, with a proper cable (or the fastcharge driver for windows mobile), you can force a 1a power draw without any issues. Cheap usb hubs or cheap usb power ports may run into issues.
I'd love to see a solution for android but I don't think one exists.
Actually the HTC battery Widget will show you if you are on AC (1A) or USB (500ma) charge. You can get this widget from the market (not sure why it is not included in the phone in the first place).
I think that the grounding pin is likely the trick and I will be searching the web to see if I can locate it. I have an older battery pack from APC that can output 1.6A but the only way to get the EVO to charge as if it was on "AC" is to use the HTC plug, and then quickly, before the charge light goes out switch to my alternate source. This seems to trick the EVO into thinking that it is still plugged in to the official charger.
This is of course trickier with my car charger, which has been very frustrating - using the phone for navigation and plugged in via usb usually has the battery draining rather than charging!
I wish there was an easy way to fix this, my old phones always attempted to pull as much current as they needed.
My friend uses a 2A charger for his HTC touch pro 2, and it uses the same battery as the EVO if u guys didnt know.
i havent tried it on my evo, but being its from htc too (and uses the same battery)... id expect it to work with that much current.
I currently use a 900mA one in my car, and i do notice that if i use something less than that i tend to get feedback from the audio jack that connects to my cassette player
Found a discussion on this on the android forums relating to the HTC Desire:
<Too new of a user, system won't let me post the link>
I opened a car charger and shorted pins 2 and 3, and the phone did show charging over AC (2 and 3 are the data pins, 1 & 2 are power). My multimeter was acting up, so I am not sure whether the EVO is actually pulling more current - it does appear to be charging faster.
If you try this make sure of 2 things:
1. You charger is capable of 1A.
2. If you choose to short the pins on a USB cable make sure this cable never gets plugged in to your PC.
Rennat said:
Computers have much lower power than a wall socket. If you want to charge the EVO fast use the wall plug. Anyone who uses a Mac and the wired keyboard should know what I am talking about.
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I know what you mean! Haha
supdawg said:
Came from a TP2 and I could charge via USB at around 900 mA using fast charge driver.
Since I am a complete Android n00b, and an EVO n00b I have two questions.
1. Are there any apps out there that can show you how fast the battery is charging and discharging? I had one called Battery Monitor in WM, and I want an Android version of that.
2. It appears that USB charging is quite slow. Can anyone confirm the speed at which this phone charges via a USB port?
3. Is there a way to make this faster?
TIA!!
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For your Q #1 search the market for Battery Indicator, great simple app that gives you a battery percentage and how long you have been plugged in or unplugged.
As you know, I got the note 3 and I love the phone. In the process of getting her back to un rooted stock and taking the update to 4.4.2, I noticed my battery was charging extremely slow. Or so I thought. I know there are a few different variants of the note 3 out so there are small differences in them. My particular note, the N900V, has the USB 3.0 charging port in it. Well I don't have a USB 3.0 charging cable but was told a regular cable will work also.
But with the regular cable plugged in I get a message on the phone that says "Charging will be faster with the original cable". O.k, I can see that. But here's the problem. The phone isn't charging at all and when the power is off the phone vibrates in pulses and I get strange screen flickers but no charging. Is this because you NEED the 3.0 charger for this phone or does it sound like the charging port is going bad? Or possibly the battery going bad?
Either way, they are simple fixes. I have changed the charging ports in the Note 1 and this phone isn't much different so fairly an easy task. Just wanna know what you guys think may be the problem here. So you guys know, it does charge on the computer, slowly, but it does charge. It however does NOT charge with the wall charger as explained above. The wall chargers I have are made for LG phones and are higher powered charges because LG's are power hogs so I figured they would also work great for the note 3.
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As you know, I got the note 3 and I love the phone. In the process of getting her back to un rooted stock and taking the update to 4.4.2, I noticed my battery was charging extremely slow. Or so I thought. I know there are a few different variants of the note 3 out so there are small differences in them. My particular note, the N900V, has the USB 3.0 charging port in it. Well I don't have a USB 3.0 charging cable but was told a regular cable will work also.
But with the regular cable plugged in I get a message on the phone that says "Charging will be faster with the original cable". O.k, I can see that. But here's the problem. The phone isn't charging at all and when the power is off the phone vibrates in pulses and I get strange screen flickers but no charging. Is this because you NEED the 3.0 charger for this phone or does it sound like the charging port is going bad? Or possibly the battery going bad?
Either way, they are simple fixes. I have changed the charging ports in the Note 1 and this phone isn't much different so fairly an easy task. Just wanna know what you guys think may be the problem here. So you guys know, it does charge on the computer, slowly, but it does charge. It however does NOT charge with the wall charger as explained above. The wall chargers I have are made for LG phones and are higher powered charges because LG's are power hogs so I figured they would also work great for the note 3.
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Not all cables are created equal. My wife's s4 cable went out and I had one extra laying around and when she charged her phone she got the same message. I got lucky and found a cable on public transportation and we tried it and the message went away and her s4 charges like normal. I still use my s3 cable for my Note and it works just fine. Try a different cable and see what you get.
I tried a different cable but got the same result. So I looked around my house for another charger, I got a few, and what do ya know, a different charger worked and the phone is charging just fine now with the power on or off. I guess that charger was either faulty or the note just didn't like that one.....lol. But it's good to know before I went and spent money on a charging ribbon I didn't need. Thanks Gamer.
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I tried a different cable but got the same result. So I looked around my house for another charger, I got a few, and what do ya know, a different charger worked and the phone is charging just fine now with the power on or off. I guess that charger was either faulty or the note just didn't like that one.....lol. But it's good to know before I went and spent money on a charging ribbon I didn't need. Thanks Gamer.
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Good, that's what's up...:victory:
Another issue I have come across is my sms and mms. I know allot of people are saying they have had or are having issue with them. My issue is sms is working and mms is working but when I receive a pic it comes in a second, separate text that reads "voicemail, (their name)". My ST voicemail number no longer works either. My notification for VM comes in Verizons number, with is *86 I believe, but that doesn't work either. I have to dial my number to get my VM.
I know these issues are most likely due to it being a Verizon phone trying to use ST AT&T sim and service. It's a PITA but hopefully you guys will know of ways to get these issues worked out.
Hello,
i'm new here and i'd be glad if someone can help me. So i got my phone a month ago and i noticed that while its charging (with the original charger) and while using it in the same time it almost does not charge at all, still when it's not used it does actually fast charge. As a previous samsung user, i never had this issue with samsung phones (they always fast charged even on heavy use).
That's one problem, the second one is scrolling isn't smooth. Yet my internet speed is 1GB at home although i don't see it related, overall scrolling let's say for example Facebook, snapchat, browser, it gets slow at few times and it ain't smooth like i expected it to be.
My device isn't even rooted so i haven't messed with it anyhow, running usual diagnostics and clearing apps regularly, downloaded just few social media apps so no heavy games on the phone but still i can't figure out if it's just my phone or is it the lg g6 like that.
thank you
1st i wanted to mention maybe the problem is your outlet in house but, yes G6 is charging slower when you use it on your charger.. And when it comes to fast charging to mine it tooks 1h and 40min from 0-100% bit slower than competiton models, but again fast enough.
When it comes on smoothness i am on V10T EU update and the phone has no laggs at all. It did had on past versions. But with this V10T i hadn't had any smoothness issue.. It really is great, and for playing with the phone while charging i wouldn't recommend that. It can really take effect on your battery.
Powered by LG G6
The scrolling lag sounds like there might be something making the phone work hard. Heavy usage would also make it charge more slowly than expected, because some of that power is going to operate the phone rather than into the battery. BUT I don't think it would prevent the "fast charging" text on the display.
It is remarkable how badly-behaved apps can be - I'd remove/disable your apps one at a time and see if one of them is responsible.
Try a fully compliant aftermarket quick charge 3.0 charger, it should charge much faster. Unlike a QC 3.0 charger, the charger bundled with the phone does not include 12V charging mode, so it's not allowing the phone to charge as fast as the phone can handle (the phone is fully quick charge 3.0 compliant and can charge faster than the bundled charger is capable of doing).
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Try a fully compliant aftermarket quick charge 3.0 charger, it should charge much faster. Unlike a QC 3.0 charger, the charger bundled with the phone does not include 12V charging mode, so it's not allowing the phone to charge as fast as the phone can handle (the phone is fully quick charge 3.0 compliant and can charge faster than the bundled charger is capable of doing).
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Yup, that's true. BUT I have s7 and g6 and both are slowly charging when I'm using them, phone would get too hot if it would fast charge while using it
I appreciate all your replies guys. Thank you.
Although i noted i dont have any heavy apps or heavy usage, the scrolling lag seems like a lag to me because i got used to faster phones before. Or maybe it is the original cable i need to change as you guys said. Anyway thanks again
I also encountered slow charging problems, but it seemed to be the cable, in some position it worked and in some it did not. I've bought an one plus dash cable for about 10 $, red one, and no problems since then. The cable is more thicker and robust, I highly recommend it.
Hi, I've got this problem: sometimes when I plug my G6 to the charger, a popup message comes out saying:
Charging slowly
Try the following if charging is slow:
- make sure to completely remove any water or debris from the USB ports.
- reconnect both ends of the cable.
- use the charger and cable that came with the phone.
Sometimes, instead, the phone starts charging normally with fast charging. If that popup comes out and I try to unplug and plug USB cable a couple of times, the phone starts charging again with fast charge.
Sometimes, when the phone is already charging with fast charge, suddenly the phone stops charging for a couple of seconds and starts again (I notice it because of the popup sound that comes if you plug the phone to USB)
I even tried to clean USB port, swapped the original USB cable with Anker cable but still using the original LG charger.
Of course there is no water in the port, otherwise a moist detector message would appear.
Has anyone experienced this problem? Can I solve buying a new charger? I'm afraid USB port might be broken
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Hi, I've got this problem: sometimes when I plug my G6 to the charger, a popup message comes out saying:
Charging slowly
Try the following if charging is slow:
- make sure to completely remove any water or debris from the USB ports.
- reconnect both ends of the cable.
- use the charger and cable that came with the phone.
Sometimes, instead, the phone starts charging normally with fast charging. If that popup comes out and I try to unplug and plug USB cable a couple of times, the phone starts charging again with fast charge.
Sometimes, when the phone is already charging with fast charge, suddenly the phone stops charging for a couple of seconds and starts again (I notice it because of the popup sound that comes if you plug the phone to USB)
I even tried to clean USB port, swapped the original USB cable with Anker cable but still using the original LG charger.
Of course there is no water in the port, otherwise a moist detector message would appear.
Has anyone experienced this problem? Can I solve buying a new charger? I'm afraid USB port might be broken
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When was the last time you factory reset your device
lg3FTW said:
When was the last time you factory reset your device
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I did it recently after I upgraded to Oreo but this was happening even before I did reset the phone.
KingFatty said:
Try a fully compliant aftermarket quick charge 3.0 charger, it should charge much faster. Unlike a QC 3.0 charger, the charger bundled with the phone does not include 12V charging mode, so it's not allowing the phone to charge as fast as the phone can handle (the phone is fully quick charge 3.0 compliant and can charge faster than the bundled charger is capable of doing).
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Yeah i found that funny that LG lied and tried to get by on using the chargers from the failed lg G5 shipped with the G6. They only support 2.0 charging so just use the cord and use another 3.0 block or get a portable 3.0 power pack. They are 20 bucks on amazon. Good ones too.
https://www.amazon.com/Charge-Anker...1528444548&sr=8-3&keywords=anker+powerport++1
can this be a good charger?
I bought an used G6 without charger but I have a Pixel charger model GL0102 and when I plug the phone I cant see the fast charging notification on the screen. It only say charging.
I recently switched using to pro3 from max2. I have a small problem, now i found twice that the phone was completely turned off in the morning.
The charging cable was connected in both cases. I could turn it on by pressing power button few seconds. Than Android boots normally. But normal pressing the button does not turn on screen. I didn't try the fingerprint sensor (forgot)
Also, charging light was off even though the charger was connected. After boot, the charge was 100%
I am using LineageOS 15.1, but I remember seeing a scheduled turn off setting in EUI before switching. Can it be that I forgot the setting on before installing LineageOS. Can that option stick between OS changes? I assumed it should set something in processor to be able to wake phone up from total shutdown?
Were you using the stock charger?
I had issues with a stock charger shutting down the phone overnight I got one good and one bad one. Great phone but the chargers and USB chord are lousy quality. There are a lot of complaints about faulty chargers and USB chord's and lots of replacement recommendations in other Post's
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I recently switched using to pro3 from max2. I have a small problem, now i found twice that the phone was completely turned off in the morning.
The charging cable was connected in both cases. I could turn it on by pressing power button few seconds. Than Android boots normally. But normal pressing the button does not turn on screen. I didn't try the fingerprint sensor (forgot)
Also, charging light was off even though the charger was connected. After boot, the charge was 100%
I am using LineageOS 15.1, but I remember seeing a scheduled turn off setting in EUI before switching. Can it be that I forgot the setting on before installing LineageOS. Can that option stick between OS changes? I assumed it should set something in processor to be able to wake phone up from total shutdown?
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Try with diffrent charger and cable.
yurtesen said:
I recently switched using to pro3 from max2. I have a small problem, now i found twice that the phone was completely turned off in the morning.
The charging cable was connected in both cases. I could turn it on by pressing power button few seconds. Than Android boots normally. But normal pressing the button does not turn on screen. I didn't try the fingerprint sensor (forgot)
Also, charging light was off even though the charger was connected. After boot, the charge was 100%
I am using LineageOS 15.1, but I remember seeing a scheduled turn off setting in EUI before switching. Can it be that I forgot the setting on before installing LineageOS. Can that option stick between OS changes? I assumed it should set something in processor to be able to wake phone up from total shutdown?
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Don"t charge overnight with stock cable.
Although the phone was connected to charger when this happened, I don't understand why you would think that the problem is the charger or cable?
In either case, it happened with 2 different chargers with different cables in different rooms connected to different power outlets. I use the same chargers to charge another Pro3 and also I used them with my old Max2 and nothing like this happened ever with those phones.
Today it happened again and before I restarted the phone I connected it to PC and PC finds the phone as `Qualcomm HS-USB QDLoader 9008` but I am not sure how and why it would go into this mode by itself? Is there a way to debug how phone entered that state?
It's well known that the stock cable can cause various issues, along with burned ports and unexplained shutdowns. The official LeEco forum is gone, but there WERE posts regarding this issue and pictures back in 2016-17.
I guess you weren't on this subforum back in those days, so you missed out on the various warnings. Darkobas and Code suggested that we NOT use them. Users ignored such warnings and as a result their phones stopped functioning properly. This is is very YMMV. Though it's not worth the risk.
You're not the first that has experienced issues, nor are you the last.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/le-pro3/how-to/guide-unbrick-le-pro3-tested-t3622340
https://forum.xda-developers.com/le-pro3/help/im-trying-to-unbrick-x720-qfil-pc-wont-t3779826
@Ace42 Firstly, how will cable cause phone to shut itself down? (actually, as we know now it was in some Qualcomm QDLoader device mode). Can you explain it technically?
I heard about those rumors about cables. To be honest, it feels like somebody was trying to spread FUD. I have bought two max2 phones and four pro3 phones and the cables were perfectly fine. Also a friend of mine bought one max2 and he had no problems either. But I have many cables and chargers because I like to have redundancy and easy access to charger in any room. So I use other cables and chargers. Had no problems with any yet. I am an engineer and monitor the performance of everything I use very carefully. Those cables perform up to specs so far.
Perhaps competitors of LeEco tried to cause panic. Then some people who do not have the necessary information or engineering data blindly suggest something which they can't be blamed for. I have seen it this many times. If you can tell that cable can be used or shouldn't be used, it is 100% safe to tell not use it
Other phones that rely on QC3.0/4.0, such as the LG G6 and Razer phone charge at about half the speed (1800-2100mA). The Pro 3, with the stock charger, will charge well over 3200mA throughout (0-100). It's running out of spec, and not in line with other QC phones.
The Razer, according to owners on XDA, will start over 3000 (until it hits 25%). Once it gets there the rate is effectively cut in half. Again, the Pro 3 will continue to hit 3000-4000 after 25%, and G6 has a constant 1800mA rate. So Samsung and LG phones from the SD82x era shipped phones that charge around 1500-2xxxmA. For some reason the Pro from the same year is much, much faster.
Also if you ask Darkobas (former dev), he'll mention proprietary code for the stock charger. So it's not the same as using Samsung's adaptive charger, or literally any other QC compliant charger. For whatever reason it's able to fry ports (which could be due to cheap parts in the phone), cause the phone to **** off, and initiate QFIL mode.
The last one isn't crazy actually. You can brick an Essential phone by using the stock cable. Now as you mentioned, the phone goes into a special mode (which is unheard of on other devices). That reminds me of these factory cords.
https://www.xda-developers.com/build-your-own-kindle-fire-factory-cable/
https://www.androidauthority.com/essential-phone-usb-c-cable-831817/
What I still don't know is where the problem exists. Is it the phone's board, USB cord, or something else? That's the real mystery.
You raised an interesting point by mentioning competitors. However, I'd rather not take the risk. You're better off using another charger instead of giving yourself a headache.
For the record, before when I most of the time left my phone charged overnight, it would still run fine with stock EUI. Now with custom ROM, this dreaded issue is happening consistently. You won't be able to turn on the phone unless you plug it back and hold the power button for 30 sec or so. And yes I am using the stock charger and cable. No burn in so far since Oct. 2016.
Joms_US said:
For the record, before when I most of the time left my phone charged overnight, it would still run fine with stock EUI. Now with custom ROM, this dreaded issue is happening consistently. You won't be able to turn on the phone unless you plug it back and hold the power button for 30 sec or so. And yes I am using the stock charger and cable. No burn in so far since Oct. 2016.
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Galactic Stryder and Darkobas worked on supporting the stock charger. It requires additional work.
"Regarding issues with QC 3.0, beware that it has a throttle down mechanism when battery reaches ~40°C it limits input to 2,5Ah and also that it can reach 4,0Ah maximum up to 80% only if the battery temperature is below the threshold for safety zone.
This is the only Kernel using LeEco's charging mechanism with proper safety checks in a minimal manner for ZL1, of course the HW itself can adjust input even without the OEM code in place but it would be a risk to fallback on it without those simple checks.[/QUOTE] - Galactic
Running into this issue too now I'm running aicp, so I guess it's dangerous to use stock charger with these ROMs?
Ace42 said:
Other phones that rely on QC3.0/4.0, such as the LG G6 and Razer phone charge at about half the speed (1800-2100mA). The Pro 3, with the stock charger, will charge well over 3200mA throughout (0-100). It's running out of spec, and not in line with other QC phones.
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Actually, you are very wrong. Because laws of physics does not allow you to charge li-ion battery with same speed between 0% to 100%. Because the charger can't raise the voltage over 4.35V. Thats why qualcomm always put out figures of 0 to 80% when talking about quick charge. After ~80% charging process will slow down whether you like it or not.
You have spectacularly failed to explain why a cable can technically cause this issue on this phone. I recommend you to first try to understand why something is happening instead of quoting random people's thoughts. There is no guarantee that the people you quote know what they are talking about to begin with....
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Running into this issue too now I'm running aicp, so I guess it's dangerous to use stock charger with these ROMs?
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No reason to be worried, stock charger has nothing to do with this issue. Also stock charger works perfectly fine. @Ace42 simply does not know what he is talking about. Spreading FUD, you know?
Actually, in my device I even limited maximum charge voltage to 4.2V (only charge up till 84%) and it still turns itself off sometimes when connected to charger, even when the phone stops charging, also with different chargers and cables. Even with USB-PD chargers with type-c outputs and type-c to type-c cables. This clearly tells me that the issue is nothing to do with charger or charging voltages or charging speed, or cable. Also here it was mentioned that this did not exist with EUI and somebody who used LOS 14 says he didn't have it until he upgraded -> https://forum.xda-developers.com/le-pro3/help/los-15-1-zl1-leeco-pro-3-x720-shutting-t3846441
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No reason to be worried, stock charger has nothing to do with this issue. Also stock charger works perfectly fine. @Ace42 simply does not know what he is talking about. Spreading FUD, you know?
Actually, in my device I even limited maximum charge voltage to 4.2V (only charge up till 84%) and it still turns itself off sometimes when connected to charger, even when the phone stops charging, also with different chargers and cables. Even with USB-PD chargers with type-c outputs and type-c to type-c cables. This clearly tells me that the issue is nothing to do with charger or charging voltages or charging speed, or cable. Also here it was mentioned that this did not exist with EUI and somebody who used LOS 14 says he didn't have it until he upgraded -> https://forum.xda-developers.com/le-pro3/help/los-15-1-zl1-leeco-pro-3-x720-shutting-t3846441
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thats me who was mentioned upgrading from LOS 14.1. I have a detailed description of my issue in the thread that was linked above.
never had any problems with the stock charger. And my phone turns off when i am not using it for several hours, unrelated to it charging or not.
seems to be related to deep sleep I guess?
I have exactly the same problem. The phone turns off twice a week twice a week. An alarm does not work. Daughter is late to work .