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So this may have been asked before, but does anyone know if there is a DS emulator for windows mobile devices, or whether somebody out there is working on one?
I mean I don't know **** about emulation, but it makes sense to me given that both are touchcreen devices and a lot of pocketpcs are pretty powerful these days.
Sorry to say this, but forget it, you'll never get a decent NDS emulator on PPC... Most NDS emulators on PC don't run at fullspeed when using 3D, and that's for homebrew, so on PocketPC... Not likely...
Yep, what Mollusk said is true. Let's also remember that the DS has two screens, and if you'd like to split your already small PPC screen into two, it won't be fun.
Depends on the size and resolution you have I guess - splitting it might not be that impossible after all. But on the performance end there is no light in sight of course. We don't even have full speed GBA emulation (with sound) and so it's probably highly unlikely to ever see something usable for the DS. The only straw is that both the DS and PPC use ARM CPUs and there *might* be a way to use this somehow just like with FPSEce.
The problem wouldn't be the ARM CPU, but the 2D and 3D GPU... Maybe we could have an emulator in text mode ^^
As for splitting the screen, that wouldn't be an issue either. I ported a few of my DS games to PocketPC and just did some minor resizing.
DS total screen size : 256x384
PocketPC standard size : 240x320
It's not perfect, but close enough (with a little cropping ^^)
Anyways, won't work
damn i was really look on finding the emulator for the NDS, but i finally stopped on this thread, lol saved me some trouble on continuing my search for the NDS
Just wait 2 or 3 years..i bet our phones are gonna be capable of doing this.
suure, with qualcomm ****, yeah lol.
dream on, htc users, dream on..
ds emu as plugin for manila 9d(with iphone icons to be cool, of course).
sry to say that, but sometimes you are ridiculous, guys.
nothin said:
suure, with qualcomm ****, yeah lol.
dream on, htc users, dream on..
ds emu as plugin for manila 9d(with iphone icons to be cool, of course).
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Since you know how to read the future..how is it gonna be like in 2015?
there will be NO electricity, power lines, etc. in 2015, so..
(hheh..)
it will be "GO" and chess era.
again.
Another little problem you will have to deal with.:-
A DS is actually driven by two ARM processors, running at 66Mhz and 33Mhz respectively. Not particularly fast by PPC standards, but usually they drive one screen each, and talk to each other to keep the game flowing along correctly. Most PDA phones also have two ARM processors, but one is driving the phone subsystem and is strictly off limits, you can't get at it.
As mentioned above, the killer is the 2D/3D graphics hardware they have access to, to do all the drawing gruntwork. Even a PPC ARM processor running 10 times faster than those on the DS is going to struggle emulating all that lot.
Well there is already a phone with a 1ghz processor so maybe it's not too far off?
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Well there is already a phone with a 1ghz processor so maybe it's not too far off?
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do not let 'em fool you.
they reversed whole ppc evolution progress to make CASH, don't YOU understand or what....
please, think, 'bout it, do not FLAME me, plz.
vide Dell Axim x50/51v - 6 yr old machine.
They cared bout drivers, and power.
Then someone realized, that state was given TOO FaST to earn money.
And HTC became ruler of market.
It is ok, if you HAVE cash for ****...probably you do..
maybe a device with a good chunk of ram and a tegra chipset
i imagine this would open up a whole new world of emulation. solid ps1, maybe n64 as well?
my only worry is the loss of d-pad on the tp2, and the ****ty dpad on the tp1, makes for a poor user experience when trying to jump and you hit home by accident I dread to wonder what the 2010 devices will be missing. No qwerty devices any more?
only prob for multi touch.
GBA works perfect in 200 mhz cpu.
128 mb ram 667 mhz cpu and 2d 3d drivers have xcale.
tray ideas source code.
mancukya said:
only prob for multi touch.
GBA works perfect in 200 mhz cpu.
128 mb ram 667 mhz cpu and 2d 3d drivers have xcale.
tray ideas source code.
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gba on 200 mhz?? could you tell us , which emu can do this??
upd: you mean 200 mhz x86?
mancukya said:
only prob for multi touch.
GBA works perfect in 200 mhz cpu.
128 mb ram 667 mhz cpu and 2d 3d drivers have xcale.
tray ideas source code.
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doesnt have to be entirely touch tho, mapping the volume rocker and using the dpad, the screen could be utilized for one-at-a-time buttons. like picodrive for genesis uses dpad with a/b/c buttons onscreen. these buttons are never used simultaneously anyway
so ppc can fast emulate ps1 and it cant emulate that ****ing noobly nds??????????? .....WTF?......
if there is other way to play gta china wars on my omnia replay to me
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if there is other way to play gta china wars on my omnia replay to me
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You can play psp games on your ppc you know that right?
hello,let me tell you a story of my day.
let me say that is only small benchmark comparision of the two prossesors (msm 7200 and the scorpion (snapdragon)).
i know its not fair to compare the 2 devices ,but its just to see how the scorpion perform .
by the way in deviceinfo for the toshiba tg01 the proccesor name is SCORPION.
i was passing by mediamarkt germany today and the white tg01 was there to play with ,so i install sktools and test opengl and run them:
tg01 6.1 x1 wm6.1
integer 742 332
floating 19,75 7,73
ram 1200 1550
draw bitmaps 1800 800
(while benchmarking the tg01 my xperia was digging deep in my pocket )
test opengl gave me on all test 60fps (it seem the software is limited to 60 fps)
and i installed nfs undercover gl version(i almost cried there) the game runs like ps3 i dunno how many fps but it soo smooth maybe +60fps (x1 maybe run it at 10 t0 20fps max)
days of the msm 7200 are gone.
what i see is nice very impressive platform benchmark,i only hope that the next xperia will have snapdragon platform .
p.s: SONYERICSSON i want my xperia x1 with snapdragon and 8 mpx cam and accelerometer and i will be sold .
Not sure if snapdragon chipset will be that popular. nvidias tegra chipset seems to be far better and zune hd will feature it. so its only a matter of time for more devices to ship with that.
*just my opinion
Not trying to ***** out of the thread but I just don't understand the concept of nowadays smartphones are used to play games. I mean c'mon now if you really wanna play games...just buy a PSP. I'm happy w/ my Xperia as it is. If I do need a snapdragon, I'll get the Rachel but who knows when it'll be released.
well actualy i'd like to have a snapdragon because this chip was designed with the intention to suck as less power as possible. i've read something about using 1 Watt while running on 1 ghz. thats pretty impressing.
the qualcom CPU simply just sucks when it comes to power consumption and picture processing. no idea how the nvidia chipset is but so far the snapdragon is my favourite.
for the benchmarks, i cant care less. ill wait for a proper android phone/Rom since our biggest problem is the windows we are running.
i totaly respect your opinion ,
xperia(touchpro,touch pro2,diamond....) is suffering from bad video play and if i install a prog with nice 3d effect (like s2p gl)not mentioning games ,just lagging without limit.
and more programs are coming with better ui and effects ,and xperia wvga needs gpu power to keep up with these progs .
even camera need better gpu and cpu to record better video and take picture faster and better proccesing power is needed (if you use it as ppc not as phone).
personaly i use everything in my ppc,phone ,camera ,keyboard,wifi,bluetooth,gps,mp3,video player,even sometime games when i am in train or traveling.
thats the reason why i buy a ppc,if i wanna use phone only (i will not spend 500euro on ppc)
anyway this is my personal opinion .
just a little statement ... G/CPU is nearly never a problem. its allways a matter of programming skillz. just take a look at the demoscene and see what they squeeze out of lame PCs and 64kb files. and to be honest, most coders nowdays are lazy and go for heigher CPU ussage if they can save time. same for me ^^
Snapdragon and Tegra have different strengths. They actually complement each other rather well. A chip that has all of their capabilities is what I want.
what makes the tegra so special? 3D and video rendering?
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just a little statement ... G/CPU is nearly never a problem. its allways a matter of programming skillz. just take a look at the demoscene and see what they squeeze out of lame PCs and 64kb files. and to be honest, most coders nowdays are lazy and go for heigher CPU ussage if they can save time. same for me ^^
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Can't blame programmers here as mobile device keep on changing it's hardware. Software optimized for Xscale no longer working for this crappy qualcomm chip. So, we need the brutal force method (fast cpu) to ensure everything works as smooth as possible.
Too bad this TG01 only support 2100 UMTS or I will be sold as well
Hey guys i just recently got the touch pro 2 for verizon. and wanted to know if their was anyway i can put the android os on this phone or at least add xtra stuff onto the phone. help would be greatly appriecated thanks.
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Hey guys i just recently got the touch pro 2 for verizon. and wanted to know if their was anyway i can put the android os on this phone or at least add xtra stuff onto the phone. help would be greatly appriecated thanks.
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Return it and buy a Droid.
the touch pro 2 is more superior than the droid. personally id stick with windows mobile.
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the touch pro 2 is more superior than the droid. personally id stick with windows mobile.
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In some ways - most notably the keyboard. In other ways, such as the bigger, higher resolution capacitive touch screen, the MUCH faster processor, and the thinner build, the Droid is superior.
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In some ways - most notably the keyboard. In other ways, such as the bigger, higher resolution capacitive touch screen, the MUCH faster processor, and the thinner build, the Droid is superior.
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Lets cross out the resolution. The touch pro 2 has a 800x480 screen. The droid is only 54pixels bigger. And at the screen size the droid is at that doesn't count for much.
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In some ways - most notably the keyboard. In other ways, such as the bigger, higher resolution capacitive touch screen, the MUCH faster processor, and the thinner build, the Droid is superior.
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Seriously 480X800 vs 480 x 854 pixels and 3.6 vs 3.7 is not noticeable at all.
Also the Droid has a 550 Mhz processor while the Touch Pro 2 has a 528 Mhz... I hardly consider that superior. Especially with all the issues the Droid has been getting!
leonb1983 said:
Hey guys i just recently got the touch pro 2 for verizon. and wanted to know if their was anyway i can put the android os on this phone or at least add xtra stuff onto the phone. help would be greatly appriecated thanks.
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I'm assuming you haven't looked into flashing a new rom to your phone, this would significantly improve your phone's performance, as far as adding extras to your phone, after flashing a new rom you could install Window's Marketplace (the install file will come with your rom most likely) and download whatever you want just like the Android Market and Apple's Appstore.
You will first need Hard-SPL, read this thread and take care of that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578660
Next, find a compatible ROM for your device, I would recommend this one:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=86491
I don't have a Touch Pro Two, but I have flashed Windows Mobile ROMs for an AT&T Fuze and a Sprint Touch Pro and I know the process is very similar so if you wanna try this and need any help let me know
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I'm assuming you haven't looked into flashing a new rom to your phone, this would significantly improve your phone's performance, as far as adding extras to your phone, after flashing a new rom you could install Window's Marketplace (the install file will come with your rom most likely) and download whatever you want just like the Android Market and Apple's Appstore.
You will first need Hard-SPL, read this thread and take care of that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578660
Next, find a compatible ROM for your device, I would recommend this one:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=86491
I don't have a Touch Pro Two, but I have flashed Windows Mobile ROMs for an AT&T Fuze and a Sprint Touch Pro and I know the process is very similar so if you wanna try this and need any help let me know
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EnergyROM works really fine on HTC Touch Pro. You can easily find that ROM and test. That of course Windows Mobile but You can also try how Android works. Greetings
android 2.0 is the same as these mentioned ROM's
Not clear on the replies. I have a Sprint touch pro2 and would also like Android 2.0 instad of winmo 6.1
How do I get it
thanks
Its windows
First and up most android is better more apps open source larger community cant get done for modding and android looks better. Secondly its windows come on blue screen of death lol. and thirdly last search in google i remember them saying yes you can run android on a windows mobile phone if i find the link again i will post it.
old news android on windows mobile
heresitrunnn on a widows mobile device in 2008!!!!! http://pocketnow.com/software-1/googles-android-runs-on-windows-mobile
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heresitrunnn on a widows mobile device in 2008!!!!! http://pocketnow.com/software-1/googles-android-runs-on-windows-mobile
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Android is phone specific. You need an android build that supports the touch pro2. 1 Rom doesn't fit all. Its the same for android custom roms and window mobile roms. You can't install a touch pro2 rom on a touch pro.
biggest hw difference = capacitive vs. resistive screen. Not sure which (if any) HTC phones have this obviously superior input capability yet...
droids are suffering from build related issues though. Most notably is a BSOD condition that requires connecting up to the charger to fix (even pulling the battery doesn't help). Also the audio jacks are breaking. Sounds a lot like the TyTN was....
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Seriously 480X800 vs 480 x 854 pixels and 3.6 vs 3.7 is not noticeable at all.
Also the Droid has a 550 Mhz processor while the Touch Pro 2 has a 528 Mhz... I hardly consider that superior. Especially with all the issues the Droid has been getting!
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I don't know the exact processor in the Touch Pro 2, but if it is the same 528 processor in the G1, Mytouch, and MoTo Click then the DROID processor is far superior. It is based in a different architecture and actually has a GPU (Separate Graphics processor).
If it is the same 528 processor, then yes the DROID is far superior.
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I don't know the exact processor in the Touch Pro 2, but if it is the same 528 processor in the G1, Mytouch, and MoTo Click then the DROID processor is far superior. It is based in a different architecture and actually has a GPU (Separate Graphics processor).
If it is the same 528 processor, then yes the DROID is far superior.
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The DROID uses an ARM Cortex A8 based processor (the TI OMAP343) while the Touch Pro 2 (and basically all HTC devices other than the HD2) use the much older and much slower ARM11 processor (Qualcomm MSM72xx). Even though the clock speeds are similar (550 vs 528mhz) you can expect real world performance to be 200-400% improved with the OMAP3, due in part to the new ARM CPU and in part to the much better GPU and DSP.
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Hey guys i just recently got the touch pro 2 for verizon. and wanted to know if their was anyway i can put the android os on this phone or at least add xtra stuff onto the phone. help would be greatly appriecated thanks.
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And here's how you do it:
http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=108&t=470
treyatl2006 said:
Seriously 480X800 vs 480 x 854 pixels and 3.6 vs 3.7 is not noticeable at all.
Also the Droid has a 550 Mhz processor while the Touch Pro 2 has a 528 Mhz... I hardly consider that superior. Especially with all the issues the Droid has been getting!
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The bigger point with the screen is capactive vs resistive, which is a VERY big difference.
As for the processor, mhz numbers don't tell the whole story. The HTC phones use a Qualcomm processor based on ARM11, the Droid uses a chip based on Cortex A8 - the A8 is CONSIDERABLY faster than ARM11 at the same clock speed.
Article on the subject, written by the founder of Anandtech: http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/14/core-values-the-silicon-behind-android/
Tp2.....hands down
Isnt this topic called Android on TP2????
I dont see any forum that has a topic called WM6.5 on Android.....Not even close.
So whats far more superior?!? A device that can emulate another os and more.
I think with a custom rom on my touch pro 2 is more than sufficient. The droid technology isn't up to its full potential yet. They are obviously headed in the right direction and the cosmetic aspect is enough to attract the average buyer. But for what counts the most I feel like the droid phones are about a quarter of the way up the mountain.
First off, I apologize for the other people's lack of response to the article at hand. As for the other people who did post links to Android on Windows Mobile, those links will not work as Android installations are device specific. Meaning and installation on one device probably wont work well for another.
Also, for those of you who posted instructions on flashing custom ROMs. While this may be a great idea for the time being, an Android installation can be run on basically any ROM. It doesn't matter if it is stripped or if it's the crap stock ROM. Once the Android image boots, it kicks Winmo off, and all processor and virtual memory goes to Android. So it is not an emulation, although it is booted from Winmo.
The Touch Pro 2 falls under the HTC Rhodium category on XDA-Developers, so most of your information on it, including Android ports, would be listed there. I did a quick Google search and found a thread with a bounty to get support for the TP2, so it should only be a matter of time.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=596370
Coming from the Rokr E6(that came out in 2006) that has a intel PXA270 Rev7(v51) processor, a part from the built Ati graphic chip in the Qualcomm I am very dissapointed. I know the the processors are different but come on, The E6 was clocked at 312MHZ and could be boosted to 530MHZ and 624MHZ and was a single core processor. Today I got real excited because I found this app called nueCPL-ClockSpeed v1.3 thinking finally I will be able to this push Duel core Processor higher than a measley 528mhz.Sadly, come to find out the app limit to push the processor was only 528mhz. I posted a screen shot to show. Does anybody that knows the ins and outs of the Qualcomm MSM2700, know if it can be pushed higher than 528MHZ and would be so kind enough to list the apps that can do it.
After searching this forum for some type of answer, I came to the conclusion that I'm never buying a phone with a qualcomm processor again.
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After searching this forum for some type of answer, I came to the conclusion that I'm never buying a phone with a qualcomm processor again.
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lol, you aren't the first person to express disappointment with qualcomm.
It's not a bad processor, but for our smartphones (which the average XDA member probably requires a lot of CPU power) it is a little weak. I think the average Joe with a stock WinMo phone would be fine with it, but I must admit I am underwhelmed.
I want Snapdragon in my next phone.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200a&c=qualcomm_msm7200a
on this site you have mostly all smartphones and their processors. and its said that 528Mhz is the Max recomendable speed so i gues its not possible to set it to more then 528MHz. but if you look at devices with these processor X1 was one of the first that used this processor. and even this year there were good phones that used this 2 year old processor technology (HTC Touch Pro 2, HTC HERO). Shure its no 1 or 1.5 GHz Snapdragon but i think its a fine processor. N97 has weaker processor and alot of folks think N97 is better than X1 (I still dont agree with them).
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http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200a&c=qualcomm_msm7200a
on this site you have mostly all smartphones and their processors. and its said that 528Mhz is the Max recomendable speed so i gues its not possible to set it to more then 528MHz. but if you look at devices with these processor X1 was one of the first that used this processor. and even this year there were good phones that used this 2 year old processor technology (HTC Touch Pro 2, HTC HERO). Shure its no 1 or 1.5 GHz Snapdragon but i think its a fine processor. N97 has weaker processor and alot of folks think N97 is better than X1 (I still dont agree with them).
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thank you for the link, it's not a bad processor but it's defiantly to weak to run WM, My phone freezes everyday which is freakin ridicouls I've never had this problem with my old phone which had a far less superior processor, then again my old phone ran linux and I'm using the original rom that came with the phone but still thats no excuse for having to reset my phone every day and even running the latest thigs to improve perfomance like advace config etc.....
Hi guys, i think most of you have heard the rumor about the X1 CPU is underclocked to 400MHz.
Is it true or not? I found something about the battery status app showing only 400MHz, but someone said that 400MHz is the max frequency battery status can show. Then i found something with the Xperia X2 info tool (dont know the name) showing 400MHz, too.
I downloaded nueClockControl, it shows 528MHz.
loco
locomarco said:
Hi guys, i think most of you have heard the rumor about the X1 CPU is underclocked to 400MHz.
Is it true or not? I found something about the battery status app showing only 400MHz, but someone said that 400MHz is the max frequency battery status can show. Then i found something with the Xperia X2 info tool (dont know the name) showing 400MHz, too.
I downloaded nueClockControl, it shows 528MHz.
loco
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The frequency IS 528MHz. Try the JBenchmark estimator if you don't believe nueClockControl:
http://www.jbenchmark.com/jbacepr.jsp Mine shows 515MHz estimated.
Some MSM chips can be overclocked. I have had my TP run at 800Mhz before.
Check THIS out.
Pretty sure it won't work with the X1 but who knows.
dwizzy130
Unfortunalety it's not working with X1 (stock german ROM). The phone freezes instantly when i confirm the Clock change to 768 MHz.
I was a little disappointed of the X1, when i tried to run Super Mario or Mario Kart on SNES Emu (not to mention Metal Slug 2 @ FinalBurn, it's even worse). I thought this would be working better with more than 500Mhz and 256mb RAM. I hate to play games without sound.
I wish it would be as good as a PSP at 222 MHz. Ok, PSP has only 480x272, but also it has only 32mb RAM and only 2mb RAM for GPU.
Vipe'
I feel your pain. Add me to those who are disappointed with the Qualcomm 7200 and will not buy another WinMo phone without a 1 GHz processor. Otherwise, here are some confirmations and other observations:
- The current X1 processor DOES run at 528 MHz as others have mentioned above
- It CAN be overclocked to 768 (or so) with neuOverclock and it's like a sweet dream, but...
- neuOverclock is highly unstable. Most of the time it simply freezes the phone, requiring a reset. For some reason I could only usually get it to work about once a day, no matter how many variations I tried (eg in airplane mode etc etc).
- Unfortunately the genius (seriously) who developed nueOverclock has gone completely silent on his web site and is not still developing - huge bummer in my opinion. I would make a big donation to anyone who could provide a solid overclocking program, and I bet I'm not the only one.
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Some MSM chips can be overclocked. I have had my TP run at 800Mhz before.
Check THIS out.
Pretty sure it won't work with the X1 but who knows.
dwizzy130
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Vipe'
I feel your pain. Add me to those who are disappointed with the Qualcomm 7200 and will not buy another WinMo phone without a 1 GHz processor. Otherwise, here are some confirmations and other observations:
- The current X1 processor DOES run at 528 MHz as others have mentioned above
- It CAN be overclocked to 768 (or so) with neuOverclock and it's like a sweet dream, but...
- neuOverclock is highly unstable. Most of the time it simply freezes the phone, requiring a reset. For some reason I could only usually get it to work about once a day, no matter how many variations I tried (eg in airplane mode etc etc).
- Unfortunately the genius (seriously) who developed nueOverclock has gone completely silent on his web site and is not still developing - huge bummer in my opinion. I would make a big donation to anyone who could provide a solid overclocking program, and I bet I'm not the only one.
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thank you two for the info, I defiantly going to try nueOverclock out.I was actually looking for something in the 600-650mhz but 800mhz is impressive. Edit: well like expected it hung the phone instantly, O well maybe I can get ahold of the developer and incourge him to continue this project
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thank you two for the info, I defiantly going to try nueOverclock out.I was actually looking for something in the 600-650mhz but 800mhz is impressive. Edit: well like expected it hung the phone instantly, O well maybe I can get ahold of the developer and incourge him to continue this project
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Go for it! Tell him I got $20 in my pocket I'm ready to part with!
If someone could really develop a stable overclocking tool, i would pay for that too.
I'd like to buy a HD2, but without a contract(subscription) it costs over 650€ here in Germany.
Even with subscription it costs 220€ + 35€/Month for 2 years.
I can only dream of 1GHz Snapdragon and 4.3 inch screen
PS: I bought my Xperia for 280€ (with 8GB Micro SD) from Ebay in September.
The previous owner paid 720€ (without subscription) at release ...
PPS: Iphone 3GS 32GB is about 850€ without subscription, thats kind of weird
Damn.. I was rlle excited to see some people as frustrated as me with quads performance and were looking for ways to improve it but the fact nueOverclock just freezes is a letdown also. I hope someone can find the creator or another usefull method!! let the search begin!
I'm trying to figure out good settings for aDOSBox to run on my TF. X-Com 1 game is pretty sluggish, no matter what frameskip and cycles count I set. Sometimes it's better, sometimes it's bad, but I can't figure out optimal settings.
Maybe someone at least have correct cycles number for our Tegra 2, so emulation will run with the same speed as CPU?
Oh, and also getting mouse pointer to work IN the game, not ABOVE the game during emulation would be brilliant. Using touchscreen as touchpad is pretty awkward.
Hope someone've been toying with aDOSBox on TF as I did and have some recommendations =)
+1 from mehr for that.
I also look for a good setting for the TF for master of Orion 2.
adosbox is just slower than ANdosbox. That's just how it is, I was a long time user of adosbox and went over to andosbox because it had more features and more compatible.
I think, from personal experience, with both emulators you can't set the cycles to higher than 8000-10000. You can set it higher, but the tegra2 SoC won't let it go any higher than that. So games that need 15,000 or up will stutter or run slowly. I have this happening with Crusader: No Regret and No Remorse, and Doom1/2 as well.
Basically, with andosbox it'll run okay for anything that was supposed to be ran on a 386 (wolf3d, Raptor, OMF are some popular ones). Anything more than that is gonna slowdown.
Adosbox feels like it runs 1000-2000 cycles slower for my experience.
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adosbox is just slower than ANdosbox. That's just how it is, I was a long time user of adosbox and went over to andosbox because it had more features and more compatible.
I think, from personal experience, with both emulators you can't set the cycles to higher than 8000-10000. You can set it higher, but the tegra2 SoC won't let it go any higher than that. So games that need 15,000 or up will stutter or run slowly. I have this happening with Crusader: No Regret and No Remorse, and Doom1/2 as well.
Basically, with andosbox it'll run okay for anything that was supposed to be ran on a 386 (wolf3d, Raptor, OMF are some popular ones). Anything more than that is gonna slowdown.
Adosbox feels like it runs 1000-2000 cycles slower for my experience.
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Holy crap! It IS much better! ANdosbox ftw, really. Worth every penny. And it has much better mouse emulation - I just use pen mode + tap-click when on base/geoscape, and touchpad style + volUP-volDOWN in combat. Some wrong clicks in combat happen, but not very often. Thanks for the tip!
I'm curious -- how stable / compatible do you guys find Andosbox?
Probably can't do anything about the sluggishness, it's probably just the limitations of the hardware you're working with.
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I'm curious -- how stable / compatible do you guys find Andosbox?
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Stable is probably 99% or near 100%. If Dosbox can run it, most likely anDosBox can run it, just my opinion.
The question is how intensive is the program. Like I mentioned earlier, ~8-10k seems to be the limit for the cpu cycles.
There are two parts of it. One part of this I think is due to the limitations of the SoC, it probably runs andosbox at 1.0ghz in single core. The other part is the code itself, as you can tell adosbox runs slower than andosbox. Something was improved in his version of the ported code, we don't know what unless we contact the andosbox dev. He's pretty quick with support emails.
Here are the hardware requirements/compatibility listed on the Dosbox page itself. I imagine our android devices need a little more juice than the desktop CPU equivalents.
http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/System_Requirements
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Host Architecture Host CPU Speed = Equivalent to Emulated CPU Class (dynamic core)
x86 (Pentium II) 400 MHz 386
x86 (Duron) 800 MHz 486
x86 (Pentium III) 1.0 GHz high-end 486
x86 (Intel Atom) 1.6 GHz high-end 486
x86 (Pentium 4) 3.0 GHz high-end Pentium Duke Nukem 3D tested, smooth at 640x480; Quake runs at ~40 frames per second in 320x200 mode. x86 (Pentium M) 1.8 GHz Pentium II
x86 (Athlon XP) 1.8 GHz Pentium II
x86 (Athlon 64) 1.8 GHz Pentium III
x86 (Core 2 Duo) (any speed) Pentium III
Apple G3 500 MHz 3/486-class Games tested: Leisure Suit Larry 6, Fuzzy's World of Miniature Space Golf. Extrapolated from ~50% CPU usage on a 1GHz G4. Apple G4 1.0 GHz 486-class Performance adequate for most DOS games. SVGA likely to be too much.
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I'm curious -- how stable / compatible do you guys find Andosbox?
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Very stable. One thing though - on TF you want to save before switching to other app. Because in background mode it just restart, most of the time, so after checking that new mail and switching back - you'll be greeted by command line in andosbox.
Maybe it's only on my TF though, if you guys got some workaround for that - would be nice to know. God I want app that can set other apps to not EVER going to background - let them eat memory, it's ok for me.
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Very stable. One thing though - on TF you want to save before switching to other app. Because in background mode it just restart, most of the time, so after checking that new mail and switching back - you'll be greeted by command line in andosbox.
Maybe it's only on my TF though, if you guys got some workaround for that - would be nice to know. God I want app that can set other apps to not EVER going to background - let them eat memory, it's ok for me.
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That's just a "feature" of Android, and one of the reasons I believe it needs proper multitasking. Android decides when programs get closed, not you. The same thing frequently causes me to lose a connection on a website chat client I have to use for work...
It's a good feature. The problems you see are because lazy programmers don't save the state when they should. (I'm guilty of it too in one of my game, which had to complicated state to easily save). Every time you leave a program for a while it should save the state it's in in order to restore it in case it's thrown out of memory.
The best solution for Google to fix that problem would be to add automatic save and restore - by saving the whole VM (it would be probably slow on some devices though).
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It's a good feature. The problems you see are because lazy programmers don't save the state when they should. (I'm guilty of it too in one of my game, which had to complicated state to easily save). Every time you leave a program for a while it should save the state it's in in order to restore it in case it's thrown out of memory.
The best solution for Google to fix that problem would be to add automatic save and restore - by saving the whole VM (it would be probably slow on some devices though).
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Lazy programmers like Google themselves? The stock Android web browser does it.
Sorry, but it's not a good feature if it can't be overridden by the user when it gets it wrong (as it always will). It's a bad feature.
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Sorry, but it's not a good feature if it can't be overridden by the user when it gets it wrong (as it always will). It's a bad feature.
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This. Exactly.
I know that it's a feature, but android (apart from iOS for example) is all about user control and user customizations. At least OS should save whole VM state when app is going to background, not depending on programmers.
Maybe they won't do that because it might affect speed, and android was called "sluggish" enough times already...
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Lazy programmers like Google themselves? The stock Android web browser does it.
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If you are talking about the slow, laggy and often crashing stock browser from HoneyComb, then I'd say, yes.
I think they should've just automated the process (by automatically hibernating the VMs of apps that need to be closed and resuming when user gets back to them). That would've solve this problem once and for all and made programmers happy.
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Guys, I've been trying out the various DosBox emulators available on the market.
I tried aDosBox, andoxbox and I just found a new one the other day called DosBox Turbo.
I figured I'd give DosBox Turbo a try with X-Com, cause its sluggish on the other emulators.. After playing X-Com for a while, I can say that DosBox Turbo is definitely faster than the others. The virtual joystick also supports multi-touch, which is a bonus.
I also tried C&C Red Alert, I had to change the memory limit to 8MB, but it too worked just fine.
Edit: Now has full Trackpad support in DOS Games! YES!! =)
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Guys, I've been trying out the various DosBox emulators available on the market.
I tried aDosBox, andoxbox and I just found a new one the other day called DosBox Turbo.
I figured I'd give DosBox Turbo a try with X-Com, cause its sluggish on the other emulators.. After playing X-Com for a while, I can say that DosBox Turbo is definitely faster than the others. The virtual joystick also supports multi-touch, which is a bonus.
I also tried C&C Red Alert, I had to change the memory limit to 8MB, but it too worked just fine.
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How do they emulate mouse clicks? Because in X-Com combat I think my volume up key would be broken very soon
tixed said:
gururise said:
Guys, I've been trying out the various DosBox emulators available on the market.
I tried aDosBox, andoxbox and I just found a new one the other day called DosBox Turbo.
I figured I'd give DosBox Turbo a try with X-Com, cause its sluggish on the other emulators.. After playing X-Com for a while, I can say that DosBox Turbo is definitely faster than the others. The virtual joystick also supports multi-touch, which is a bonus.
I also tried C&C Red Alert, I had to change the memory limit to 8MB, but it too worked just fine.
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How do they emulate mouse clicks? Because in X-Com combat I think my volume up key would be broken very soon
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There have been three updates in the past 3 days. I'm happy to say the latest one added FULL support for my transformer's trackpad. Left clicks work great on Honeycomb, with the right click mapped to the 'back' button as usual.
On my Transformer Prime with ICS, both left and right clicks are working great! So I guess if you are on Honeycomb, you'll get left click.. If you are on ICS, you'll get both Left & Right clicks. I've been playing lots of MOO2 and XCom lately! =)
Been playing around with DosBox Turbo the past week and its just amazing on the Transformer.
It's already up to v1.1.3 just in the last week, and the author has listened to feedback. Absolutely everything works on the Transformer. Trackpad performs flawlessly, I even have right click (using ICS). You can map the back key to escape, and its in the perfect location to use as an escape key. The search key can also be re-mapped.
Its significantly faster than adosbox and around 15% faster than andosbox and supports all the hardware on the transformer. I played Doom, warcraft, ufo, space quest and even got the 11th hour to work acceptably. Where the other dosbox emulators wouldn't even support the trackpad on the transformer, this one even worked perfectly with my external usb mouse (both left and right click!)