So, some background to my story.
I was saving up for an S8+ but had to use that money somewhere else. Need to a buy phone ASAP and looking at previous gen flagship.
I currently have a Redmi note 4 and I don't want another mediocre mid level phone. I really don't like the camera or the sound quality.
Now my budget isn't much. I can spare about $320.
I am getting an S7 (G930T) for $335 and a V20 (H918) for $300. (Both are brand new)
My only concern for the S7 is no development since it is snapdragon (Can't find a cheap Exynos). As for the V20, plenty of development but no future updates (S7 will get official Oreo).
I live in India and will be importing these devices through a family member. I've already looked at OnePlus and they aren't selling for cheap, both the 3T and 5.
All I'm looking for is a day's battery life, good camera and sound quality. Not much of a mobile gamer.
Basic needs are WhatsApp, Reddit, Snapchat, Instagram and YouTube. No Facebook.
Can I please get your opinions below?
V20 is getting Oreo sometime in the first quarter of 2018.
S7 doesn't have a removable battery, IR blaster nor is it certified shock resistant. Those were deal breakers for me. The V20 has more screen space. Very happy with my V20 & would recommend it.
I owned both phones ,the S7 and the V20 and let me tell you that the LG V20 wins in almost every aspect.
Byt the S7, trust me on this one.
I had the note 5 before the v20, and the note 5 was a far superior phone: better performance, less lag (way less lag, lg software is a joke), betetr battery life, better camera (especially in low light), better screen (amoleds are amazing), better software (again, lg software is a joke, the stock lg apps are made for android eclair compared to the polished samsung phone), better software support (i used to get an update every month on the note 5 to update me to the latest security patch, you would be lucky if you get an update every 3 months on the v20), way better roms and kernel support (you can't even properly root most of the v20 variants), and better day to day phone, I was alot happier with the Samsung and I regret buying the v20.
No one cares about removable battery (by the time you swapper batteries, rebooted, and waited 2 minutes for the software to finalize booting, fast charge would have gtten you 50%).
I never used the IR blaster.
And we all use cases, even if our phone is shock resistant.
Trust me on this one, get the s7, I wish I had the money to switch back,
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Oh an snapchat is a joke on the v20, ask everyone who uses it, I don't know why, maybe it's the dual camera system, but it was a far better experience on the note 5.
Lebo-Wog said:
Byt the S7, trust me on this one.
I had the note 5 before the v20, and the note 5 was a far superior phone: better performance, less lag (way less lag, lg software is a joke), betetr battery life, better camera (especially in low light), better screen (amoleds are amazing), better software (again, lg software is a joke, the stock lg apps are made for android eclair compared to the polished samsung phone), better software support (i used to get an update every month on the note 5 to update me to the latest security patch, you would be lucky if you get an update every 3 months on the v20), way better roms and kernel support (you can't even properly root most of the v20 variants), and better day to day phone, I was alot happier with the Samsung and I regret buying the v20.
No one cares about removable battery (by the time you swapper batteries, rebooted, and waited 2 minutes for the software to finalize booting, fast charge would have gtten you 50%).
I never used the IR blaster.
And we all use cases, even if our phone is shock resistant.
Trust me on this one, get the s7, I wish I had the money to switch back,
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Oh an snapchat is a joke on the v20, ask everyone who uses it, I don't know why, maybe it's the dual camera system, but it was a far better experience on the note 5.
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Hmm ?... I love my V20 and with a zerolemon battery this thing is a beast. I would recommend this device to anyone who is going to utilize the extra battery. If not then go I would recommend s7
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Hmm ?... I love my V20 and with a zerolemon battery this thing is a beast. I would recommend this device to anyone who is going to utilize the extra battery. If not then go I would recommend s7
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There are wireless charging battery cases for the s7, like this one for example: https://www.ebay.com/p/Samsung-Wire...for-Galaxy-S7-EP-TG930BBUGUS-Black/1864804731 .
I currently own both and the v20 every day any day noth even close lol.
guess ill elaborate why.
v20 is a cleaner look. Bigger screen so everything is easier to see and its on par with the AMOLED if not better. removable battery is a huge i always have one charging in the cradle charger at home. Also the built in DAC is amazing if you care about sound quality for headphones.
s7 is too small anymore and just doesnt bring anything to the table that is out of the ordinary. wireless charging and waterproofing are nice i guess.... but yeah.
I was curious to the same thing. Any AOSP ROMs for v20? I wanted to get a pixel first gen but they are 200 more than the v20 and I really dislike the looks of first gen pixels . They look like toy phones.
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I was curious to the same thing. Any AOSP ROMs for v20? I wanted to get a pixel first gen but they are 200 more than the v20 and I really dislike the looks of first gen pixels . They look like toy phones.
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There is a lineage os rom (sort of), but it doesn't support the second screen.
How about huwaei mate 9 ?
Get the v20, my sgse7 throttle like no tomorrow, you cant even record a long video because if the phone heats up it will shutdown the camera and every thing with a warning, until everything cools down, it is that retarded. I had the sgs7 and regreted every minute of it, it was always super slow because again of the retarded samsung throttle they placed to keep the device"cool". When i got my v20 the difference in performance was night and day, i can record all i want and the device stays super cool, 0 throttle and i can actually have twrp and custom roms. Most new samsung phones have DVFS, that thing is hell for us, it will make the device crawl.
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No one cares about removable battery (by the time you swapper batteries, rebooted, and waited 2 minutes for the software to finalize booting, fast charge would have gtten you 50%).
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Nonsense!
a replacable battery is a safety net for when you find you're out and a quick swap gets you back to 100. I carry mine in a wallet at all times. Yes i do go about with a replacable battery because unlike a lot of ignorant people i know what its for
a key feature of the v20 is the replacable battery, last of its kind unfortunately, that alone was enough to convince me. This btw is the third phone in a row i have with replacable batteries
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ishanbhatnagr96 said:
I currently have a Redmi note 4 and I don't want another mediocre mid level phone. I really don't like the camera or the sound quality.
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How much SOT you get with that on wifi only ?
The RN3 was very good with battery 9h SOT (snapdragon), is this the expectation you have when you say all day battery if you will be on data all day
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How much SOT you get with that on wifi only ?
The RN3 was very good with battery 9h SOT (snapdragon), is this the expectation you have when you say all day battery if you will be on data all day
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I usually get around 10Hours. This is with 2 Sims.
On an average day about 8-9 hours. Sometimes even touches 12 hours.
ishanbhatnagr96 said:
I usually get around 10Hours. This is with 2 Sims.
On an average day about 8-9 hours. Sometimes even touches 12 hours.
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I am referring to screen on time not runtime
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I am referring to screen on time not runtime
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I'm telling you the screen on time only lol
See the average per cycle.
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I'm telling you the screen on time only lol
See the average per cycle.
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Says the average SOT is 9h46 with a max of 2h13 (?) (that look right to you)
Question is how much SOT are you expecting for a days use on the v20?
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Says the average SOT is 9h46 with a max of 2h13 (?) (that look right to you)
Question is how much SOT are you expecting for a days use on the v20?
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Those readings say 17 hours on uptime and 9 hours of SOT.
From the V20 I don't expect much. I've had a G3 in the past and it barely gave me 3-4 Hours of sot in a full day
ishanbhatnagr96 said:
My only concern for the S7 is no development since it is snapdragon (Can't find a cheap Exynos). As for the V20, plenty of development but no future updates (S7 will get official Oreo).
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It's so strange to read the S7 snapdragon won't receive any development. It always was that snapdragons were the easiest to develop for because qualcom released sources unlike Samsung with exynos. So exynos could only get stock roms
I live in India and will be importing these devices through a family member. I've already looked at OnePlus and they aren't selling for cheap, both the 3T and 5.
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Band 40 support for 4G is there on t-mo phones ?
Don't know what Jio uses
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It's so strange to read the S7 snapdragon won't receive any development. It always was that snapdragons were the easiest to develop for because qualcom released sources unlike Samsung with exynos. So exynos could only get stock roms
Band 40 support for 4G is there on t-mo phones ?
Don't know what Jio uses
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For JIO I'll have to use an app for calls. Data would work fine. Anyway, I've decided to save up some money. V30 is doing to launch soon
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For JIO I'll have to use an app for calls. Data would work fine. Anyway, I've decided to save up some money. V30 is doing to launch soon
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In India ? there were rumours earlier.
The price is exorbitant right now.
i picked up a v20 for 30k, cheaper than i got the G4. i get the battery and everything else. The new screen i can miss but the wide angle will need post work
If you can wait, its better to get a phone that launches with Oreo as there will be mandatory Treble support
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In India ? there were rumours earlier.
The price is exorbitant right now.
i picked up a v20 for 30k, cheaper than i got the G4. i get the battery and everything else. The new screen i can miss but the wide angle will need post work
If you can wait, its better to get a phone that launches with Oreo as there will be mandatory Treble support
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A brand new V20 from Flipkart costs 25k.
Yeah I'm thinking of waiting now. Gonna extend my time with Redmi note 4
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Hi XDa'ers...
I'm sorry to say I've just had it with this phone. The awesome camera was the main reason I switched my Galaxy S4 to this. The promise of wireless charging was awesome. The sd card of course made it the only current flagship worth considering. The promotion of an extra leather back + battery just sweetened the deal.
But then...
1st G4 - Camera had a distinct pink tone. The wireless charging was iffy at first, and then completely broke down. Exchanged for a new one.
2nd G4 - Wireless charging was iffy. I attempted to downgrade the bootstack and it bricked (first one on XDA to report this fun fact which I warned everyone else about)--okay, this one's on me.
3rd G4 - Refurb warranty replacement had a broken camera which could not focus past 2 feet. Sheesh.
4th G4 - Out of the blue, wifi is suffering from a ridiculous on/off cycle which is likely hardware failure related. The phone is 2 months old! My problem specifically is that it turns on and does find wifi signals, but then turns off. Then turns on again. Repeat.
It's similar to these threads, but not exactly, as the wifi does turn on, it just keeps turning itself off.
http://forums.androidcentral.com/lg...ut-doesn-t-how-can-i-get-my-wifi-working.html
http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/help/lg-g4-wifi-stuck-trying-to-t3167191
I think it's been well established that the wireless charging on this phone is poorly implemented and a hardware issue. Fine, I can do without it. But to have the wifi crap out for no reason is really the last straw.
Looking to see what phone to switch out to. I'm on T-Mobile Jump on Demand, so the Android options are really only just the S6 or V10. I've yet to investigate the V10 forums--who knows what kind of crap engineering issues LG will have in store for us as the months roll on.
I had g4 and sold it to get the note 5, best decision ever. G4 camera was the main reason i took the phone but, the poor gaming performance the weak cpu didnt answer my demands and i hated the random lags.
Same here I am selling my g4, what upset me is I mailed them about unlocking bootloader, they replied me with this....
I am checking on blackberry priv
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that LG approach to unlocking bootloader will cost them, Sammy does the best, despite the knox counter it always comes unlocked(unless u AT-T).
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Same here I am selling my g4, what upset me is I mailed them about unlocking bootloader, they replied me with this....
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I've seen on Reddit where people have been unable to unlock their SEA phones...
waylo said:
1st G4 - Camera had a distinct pink tone. The wireless charging was iffy at first, and then completely broke down. Exchanged for a new one.
2nd G4 - Wireless charging was iffy. I attempted to downgrade the bootstack and it bricked (first one on XDA to report this fun fact which I warned everyone else about)--okay, this one's on me.
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Curious to know whether your G4 variant includes wireless charging in the back itself ootb ?
In other markets you have to use the circle case or get a sticker and connect back the two pins.
In dual sim markets there are no two pins so there is no option for wireless charging at all
Not so bothered when stock charger can take this thing from 30% to full within a hour.
4th G4 - Out of the blue, wifi is suffering from a ridiculous on/off cycle which is likely hardware failure related. The phone is 2 months old! My problem specifically is that it turns on and does find wifi signals, but then turns off. Then turns on again. Repeat.
It's similar to these threads, but not exactly, as the wifi does turn on, it just keeps turning itself off.
http://forums.androidcentral.com/lg...ut-doesn-t-how-can-i-get-my-wifi-working.html
http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/help/lg-g4-wifi-stuck-trying-to-t3167191
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A few reports here and there, for some reason sprint seems to be having the most issues. Its weird.
Never use pubic wifi so i assign static addresses, this is something i've done for years in pc land. very stable. screw dhcp.
I think it's been well established that the wireless charging on this phone is poorly implemented and a hardware issue. Fine, I can do without it.
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Which wireless charger did you use ? how well did it work with previous models with wireless charging.
LG has a good rep for wireless charging if you consider the Nexus 5. The nexus 6 made by motorola, heh, now that is more fussy. Get the impression that bigger devices are more finicky compared to smaller ones. Also flatter backs are better than curved ones. As screens get bigger those curves becomes important to make the thing feel smaller than it actually is.
Dang OP, you had some really bad luck with your g4's. Mines only actes retarded sometime when i try charging, and it thinks my charger is a usb.
Oh dear samsung...This money transaction too transparence
Ok end of joke.Wifi drop horror.My g4 same...
Derpling said:
I had g4 and sold it to get the note 5, best decision ever. G4 camera was the main reason i took the phone but, the poor gaming performance the weak cpu didnt answer my demands and i hated the random lags.
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I too got the Note 5 switching from the G4. The lag drove me up the wall. Glad that I made the switch, note 5 has more functionality, and TouchWiz has been toned wayyyy down since the Galaxy s4, the last Samsung device I had. I would go note 5 or nexus 6p.
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I too got the Note 5 switching from the G4. The lag drove me up the wall. Glad that I made the switch, note 5 has more functionality, and TouchWiz has been toned wayyyy down since the Galaxy s4, the last Samsung device I had. I would go note 5 or nexus 6p.
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While not suited for everyone, Note 5 is the best phone of this year and will hold very well for next years.
Do yourself a favor, root the device and install Arter97 kernel, it fixes the sammy aggressive ram management, and enjoy the Note!
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While not suited for everyone, Note 5 is the best phone of this year and will hold very well for next years.
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That's what i thought about the note 4 nd was surprised to come across a few that switched to the G4.
Sammy's pissed off the Euro's though. They only get to see note 5 in jan.
In india it was out last month and its made here for the Indian market.
Do yourself a favor, root the device and install Arter97 kernel, it fixes the sammy aggressive ram management, and enjoy the Note!
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How's the battery on the note 5. sot ? run time ? mention your brightness in %.
mention how was it with stock. And then with this kernel.
Depends on your uses and what running in background.
I can get through the day easily with 30%+- remain from 7am to 8pm, 50-75% brightness, what i do is location always on, wifi+data, google sync, messages, chrome, facebook, what's up etc.
Now i also do heavy gaming since this is the only phone that cna do it right, i measured something intersting.
While forcing the phone to run at maximum speed on all 8 cores and GPU, and playing intensive game like Tekken 6 on 50-60% brightness, it will deplete to 0 after 3:30-3:40hr straight gaming at maximum frequency... which is amazing, the G4 barely held 2hr.
you won't be disappointed, specially if u come from G4.
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Depends on your uses and what running in background.
I can get through the day easily with 30%+- remain from 7am to 8pm, 50-75% brightness, what i do is location always on, wifi+data, google sync, messages, chrome, facebook, what's up etc.
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So that's a run time of maybe 12-14h. sot maybe 4-5h ?
been skimming the note 5 battery thread and not seeing the stellar performance of the note 4 under kk.
i wonder if those days are gone for good or not
Now i also do heavy gaming since this is the only phone that cna do it right, i measured something intersting.
While forcing the phone to run at maximum speed on all 8 cores and GPU, and playing intensive game like Tekken 6 on 50-60% brightness, it will deplete to 0 after 3:30-3:40hr straight gaming at maximum frequency... which is amazing, the G4 barely held 2hr.
you won't be disappointed, specially if u come from G4.
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exactly, for gamers note 5 is best. No lag, faster memory, but hey you're paying for it
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So that's a run time of maybe 12-14h. sot maybe 4-5h.
exactly, for gamers note 5 is best. No lag, faster memory, but hey you're paying for it
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yes G4 is bad for gamers, what drove me insane is that angry birds 2 lagged on it, and it has weak cpu that can't run tekken 6 and dark resurrection at 60fps, note 5 can do it, that is amazing of itself.
G4 had random lags at times, Note 5 does not have any of those, rarely it has unlock screen freeze, when u unlock the screen it freezes for 5 second and then do all your taps... should be resolved in new update(already resolved for some).
Note 5 overall is the best phone i ever used, screen sound quality touchwiz... all better than g4 and v10.
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that LG approach to unlocking bootloader will cost them, Sammy does the best, despite the knox counter it always comes unlocked(unless u AT-T).
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unlocked with no good or intresting custom roms?
If it would been unlocked from get go, it would speed up development. But that took awhile
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yes G4 is bad for gamers, what drove me insane is that angry birds 2 lagged on it, and it has weak cpu that can't run tekken 6 and dark resurrection at 60fps, note 5 can do it, that is amazing of itself.
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How will note 5 fare against the SD 820 ?
Qualcom got a bloody nose this year, they are likely to come out swinging next year. Lots of building up going on, 80k antutu bla bla.
we will see is what i say. Note 5's cpu is a 14nm i think. so qualcom is playing catch up.
G4 had random lags at times, Note 5 does not have any of those, rarely it has unlock screen freeze, when u unlock the screen it freezes for 5 second and then do all your taps... should be resolved in new update(already resolved for some).
Note 5 overall is the best phone i ever used, screen sound quality touchwiz... all better than g4 and v10.
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Since you have both devices, do you have a ac wifi router ?
do you notice any difference in stated link speed between the two.
One Twelve said:
How will note 5 fare against the SD 820 ?
Qualcom got a bloody nose this year, they are likely to come out swinging next year. Lots of building up going on, 80k antutu bla bla.
we will see is what i say.
Since you have both devices, do you have a ac wifi router ?
do you notice any difference in stated link speed between the two.
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1)Note 5 will fare very well against SD820, i expect SD820 multi-test score will either slightly higher than 7420 or slightly lower, the GPU will probably be 30-40% better if it won't throttle, but who knows? i have yet seen any game that bring Note 5 to it's knees, Exynos 7420 is seriously best chip Sammy ever made, and best cheap of last generation(till 8890 at least).
2)I had G4 from June 2 till 18 Aug, i didn't really measure the speed of the upload and download of both phones , but since i know my wifi speed, the G4 would miss sometimes and stopped downloading in the middle, or download very slow despite the connection was perfect, but it was inconsistent. some days it will be good, some other won't.
Note 5 has yet to do it to me, mobile data and wifi link are great.
And btw, gonna drain my battery a bit more now and send you the picture of the SOT and battery usage, the only thing that G4 does slightly better than note 5, is taking picture in low light.
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1)Note 5 will fare very well against SD820, i expect SD820 multi-test score will either slightly higher than 7420 or slightly lower, the GPU will probably be 30-40% better if it won't throttle, but who knows? i have yet seen any game that bring Note 5 to it's knees, Exynos 7420 is seriously best chip Sammy ever made, and best cheap of last generation(till 8890 at least).
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How is the rom scene with exynos ?
yes you have an unlocked bootloader but how does rom development fare when exynos sources are not completely released.
The result seems to be the same with the Lg's use qualcom but lock the bootloader. I've not figured out why the rest of the world got locked out except europe. Its like they use europe as a test case and when they have other products for sale, quietly unlock the rest. I don't beleive the current situation will endure, when the door is already slightly open.
2)I had G4 from June 2 till 18 Aug, i didn't really measure the speed of the upload and download of both phones , but since i know my wifi speed, the G4 would miss sometimes and stopped downloading in the middle, or download very slow despite the connection was perfect, but it was inconsistent. some days it will be good, some other won't.
Note 5 has yet to do it to me, mobile data and wifi link are great.
And btw, gonna drain my battery a bit more now and send you the picture of the SOT and battery usage, the only thing that G4 does slightly better than note 5, is taking picture in low light.
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What i'm thinking is the wifi chip sammy's have been using since the S5 last year is twice as fast. Not found any one to verify that though. There have been reports of sketchy wifi on the G4, maybe some tweaking required.
Not sure if this fits the forum but I don't know where else to post this question.
I like my G2 for the big screen on a compact size but it is getting old. Battery isn't what it use to be although it still has great battery life. I'm getting a bit of lag and sometimes stuff won't work for some reason... alarm failed on me a couple of times and I can't replicate the issue, not sure if it was user error but I suspect it wasn't. It's an AT&T G2 running Android 5.0.2
So was thinking that maybe it was time for a new one but here comes my problem... all the good phones I get recommended are huuuuge!! The G2 is very slightly over my size limit already, making it usable with a single hand but sometimes I already have a tough time using it that way, I'll have to move it on my hand a different way to reach something on the very edge of the screen. New phones like the G4 also seem to have worst battery life, having bigger screens with higher resolutions but the same MAH capacity.
I've just seen there are newer Android versions for this phone, including Marshmallow via CyanogenMod. So, is there a phone with similar size, screen and battery life as the G2 or should I try to hang on to it a bit longer? Or just forget about this and get a newer one and get used to it? Maybe a Nexus 6p, seems like a good battery life phone and going pure Android would be nice after spending this much time with a US carrier phone that isn't supported here in Portugal...
Thanks!
S6 got exactly same size(even more slim) with G2 with better cpu, camera, design and screen. However, battery probably won't be as good.
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S6 got exactly same size(even more slim) with G2 with better cpu, camera, design and screen. However, battery probably won't be as good.
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Yes, I thought about that one. Would mean a different sort of use because I know that the battery life is pretty bad comparing it to the G2 but I believe it has fast charge, so....
Kutusov said:
Yes, I thought about that one. Would mean a different sort of use because I know that the battery life is pretty bad comparing it to the G2 but I believe it has fast charge, so....
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To be honest, all octa-core cpu isn't battery friendly as SD800/SD801 and Exynos 7420 is already better than SD810/808 and MTK x10 in terms of battery life. S7 got 450mAh more battery but according to leaked info it also a bit bigger than S6 in size.
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To be honest, all octa-core cpu isn't battery friendly as SD800/SD801 and Exynos 7420 is already better than SD810/808 and MTK x10 in terms of battery life. S7 got 450mAh more battery but according to leaked info it also a bit bigger than S6 in size.
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Had to Google Exynos as I think my tech stuff knowledge stopped at around the Galaxy S1 or S2. Bought a new PC on xmas and had to ask for a straight out recommendation on the store, like "So, from all of these PCs, which one is the best?" (suprise, suprise, the answer was the more expensive one... )
I don't know... I think I'll try flashing something like CyanogenMod and try dragging it a bit more. Maybe what I'm looking for on a phone is now buried in some midtier lineup, I don't know. I bought this one from a friend in an emergency after drowning my HTC OneX in the ocean and I still love it. Liked HTC's Sense a lot more than this LG UI but bigger screen on a similar size phone and tons more of battery life trumps it all.
Uhm, now that I wrote that, "biggest battery life android phone" is a good place for me to start googling. I really don't care about a ton of features or ultra quick cpus if you end up needing to have it always plugged to the wall.
Check out gsmarena they have a good battery checker page for most phones.
The G2 compares well to a lot of the newer more expensive phones.
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Check out gsmarena they have a good battery checker page for most phones.
The G2 compares well to a lot of the newer more expensive phones.
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Thanks for that, knew the site but never had seen that tool! Very helpful! Galaxy S6 Active is always mentioned as one of the best ones but it came up with a Xiaomi Redmi 3 also, which I never heard about and assume it's some Chinese brand. 4200mah battery if specs are to be trusted and a quad-core 616, which should save on juice as TheEndHK was saying.
Right, at least now I have some pointers from where to look around. Thanks guys!
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Thanks for that, knew the site but never had seen that tool! Very helpful! Galaxy S6 Active is always mentioned as one of the best ones but it came up with a Xiaomi Redmi 3 also, which I never heard about and assume it's some Chinese brand. 4200mah battery if specs are to be trusted and a quad-core 616, which should save on juice as TheEndHK was saying.
Right, at least now I have some pointers from where to look around. Thanks guys!
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Regular single sim model of S6 got CM12.1 on xda board, not sure about S6 Active though. Redmi3 is only 720P screen and I've just played around with SD615 last week on other phone, the speed is real low compared to SD800 or 7420. SD615/616 is just a slightly faster clocked of SD410. There is no real alternative other than S6 as of now.
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Regular single sim model of S6 got CM12.1 on xda board, not sure about S6 Active though. Redmi3 is only 720P screen and I've just played around with SD615 last week on other phone, the speed is real low compared to SD800 or 7420. SD615/616 is just a slightly faster clocked of SD410. There is no real alternative other than S6 as of now.
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Well, the S6 is not an option for me, battery life is way too short and I find myself away from a wall plug too often to be comfortable with such a device. But that sort of answers my question... Yes, the G2 is still very relevant, at least until flagship phones start coming out in normal person's sizes
I'll just flash CyanogenMod13 when a stable version becomes available and see what else comes out. I find it hard to believe that it will take long before one company figures out that it's all very well to come up with big, impressive screen flagship phone but a lot of people don't want to cart around a phablet. Something to compete directly with the one hand handling of an Iphone 6s (or whatever the smaller and latest iphone name is).
You better start flashing as we already have a few MM ROMs for our G2
CM13,AICP,Bliss,Crdroid, ResurrectionRemix all are IMO daily drivers.
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You better start flashing as we already have a few MM ROMs for our G2
CM13,AICP,Bliss,Crdroid, ResurrectionRemix all are IMO daily drivers.
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I saw the Bliss one and seemed like stable enough. CM13 is still a Nightly release, so I'm a bit scared to try that one yet. I'm not all that into highly customized or customizable roms, I prefer reliability and the closest to stock and simplicity. Oh, and solid support and OTA supports would be nice... any ROM in particular I should look into, giving these preferences? (...long time since I flashed a phone, I glanced through the development threads and it was pretty much gibberish to me )
Well CM13 is the base for them all and if you only flash builds from 2 or 3 days before( flash the 20160207 for example) you have the most recent without being on the edge.
I like AICP(I like customising my ROM)and CM13 as well.
I find it fairly easy to flash different ROMs so hop between them
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Well, the S6 is not an option for me, battery life is way too short and I find myself away from a wall plug too often to be comfortable with such a device. But that sort of answers my question... Yes, the G2 is still very relevant, at least until flagship phones start coming out in normal person's sizes
I'll just flash CyanogenMod13 when a stable version becomes available and see what else comes out. I find it hard to believe that it will take long before one company figures out that it's all very well to come up with big, impressive screen flagship phone but a lot of people don't want to cart around a phablet. Something to compete directly with the one hand handling of an Iphone 6s (or whatever the smaller and latest iphone name is).
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Battery life isn't such worst in my case. I've got S6 and Z5c dual flagships now (considering to sell out either one indeed), their battery is just identical. The real problem on S6 got poor memory management and during heavy multi-tasking the apps at background will keep reloading to waste extra battery, light to medium user like me should be fine. The battery and memory management been fixed on 6.01 and international model of 920F/925F just started to roll out Marshmallow today in Poland.
However, if your G2 is in good condition and still satisfied with the camera and don't care about Marshmallow. I don't see much points to leave G2.
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However, if your G2 is in good condition and still satisfied with the camera and don't care about Marshmallow. I don't see much points to leave G2.
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I hear Marshmallow should greatly improve battery life on any phone, so I do care about that. I think the problems you mentioned for the S6 also happen to certain extent on the G2, I know I used to have battery for significantly longer when I had it on Jelly Bean. But could also be the case of a fresher battery or a lighter usage, I do use it more nowadays.
Camera was always pretty bad IMO. Hardware might be good but the how it encodes the picture just messes everything in most situations. I would like it to do a better job but it's not something that will determine me letting go of a phone. I would never own an Iphone unless I went full Apple but I'm yet to see an Android doing a better job with pictures than an Iphone. And it's not the lens, I'm pretty sure it's the IOS...
But yes, I think I'll stick with this G2 for a little longer. Somethings are starting to give in but maybe I can drag it enough until I come across a phone that gives me some confidence. Besides, I really got used to those buttons on the back Thought they were nonsense the first day I used it but now I would hate to go back to Samsung or HTC way of doing things!
Credit to LG - I also have the G2 and have given up finding a replacement for it. Will wait till it dies then find something less satisfactory. Samsung are bloated and have major battery issues so I wouldn't buy one.
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Credit to LG - I also have the G2 and have given up finding a replacement for it. Will wait till it dies then find something less satisfactory. Samsung are bloated and have major battery issues so I wouldn't buy one.
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I ended up getting an S7 and I'm very pleased with it. UI has been greatly de-bloated, battery life is great. The other phone I considered at the time I bought it was the just released Huawei P9. Got a P9 Lite for my father the other day and, after playing with it, even the Lite is a fantastic phone.
LG hasn't been great... the G2 was a beast at the time but every other one was a big fail. G4 had a manufacturing problem on the motherboard that affected something like 90% of the phones and most would die within 6 months. Took them forever to admit and fix the problem,
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Credit to LG - I also have the G2 and have given up finding a replacement for it. Will wait till it dies then find something less satisfactory. Samsung are bloated and have major battery issues so I wouldn't buy one.
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I went from G2 to G3.
When the screen went bad on the G3, I got a warranty replacement and sold that.
Now I have an Octa Core version Note 4 and another G2 as a backup.
The Note 4 Octa core is a huge upgrade from the G2 and is coming down price wise vs. newer Samsung's yet delivers similar performance removable battery and Micro SD card.
I'd look at that or the new One Plus 3T which is also good too
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I'd look at that or the new One Plus 3T which is also good too
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I would also seriously consider that one too if I was in the market for a new phone. Sounds a bit like Apple with their "S" versions, they seem to have improved and fixed the negatives on that one.
G2 works really well and smooth for me except I have an occasional reboot out of nowhere. IDK what's causing it, it's stock rooted ROM.
If you're looking for a new phone recommendation you have to take price into consideration cause otherwise just go with Galaxy S7 (5.1 inch).
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G2 works really well and smooth for me except I have an occasional reboot out of nowhere. IDK what's causing it, it's stock rooted ROM.
If you're looking for a new phone recommendation you have to take price into consideration cause otherwise just go with Galaxy S7 (5.1 inch).
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That's odd, never happened with mine... maybe a factory reset if it starts to bother you that much, at least you would be able to tell if it's software or hardware related.
I did end up getting an S7 but it was pretty much out of frustration, other phones all had some small thing that was a no-no for me (mainly battery life). Touchwiz is miles away from what it used to be, I don't like a pure Android feel and it ends up being just about the right amount of UI skin. Huawei P9 is a really nice one for a lot less money and I bet the next P10 (if they call it that) will be on par with Samsung from a normal user point of view.
Hello,
I just read that, along with the G6+, LG will deliver an update for the regular G6 which will enable a new "Lower Power Consumption" mode which is something I am very interested in. Does it really increase battery life for the G6 significantly (which would make me really consider buying it) ? I wonder if anyone has experience with this ?
Thanks !
Am I the only pissed that I spent $400+ on a phone 3 months ago and its already outdated. **** LG such Bull****.
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Am I the only pissed that I spent $400+ on a phone 3 months ago and its already outdated. **** LG such Bull****.
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Who says it's outdated?
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Juice3250 said:
Who says it's outdated?
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The new one has ALL 3 things. Quad dac, wireless charging and 128gb. And more ram. Therfore the OG G6 is outdated
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The new one has ALL 3 things. Quad dac, wireless charging and 128gb. And more ram. Therfore the OG G6 is outdated
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But the new has no big difference and a bigger price ^^
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But the new has no big difference and a bigger price ^^
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It's a decent difference especially the 6gb of ram. When it comes to multi tasking.And with promotions from carriers it will barely be more. Let alone they come with ear phones not a crappy Google home.
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Am I the only pissed that I spent $400+ on a phone 3 months ago and its already outdated. **** LG such Bull****.
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This is like saying people who bought the Galaxy S8 should be pissed about the Note 8 when it's released in August. There's always going to be the next bigger, better thing man. That's how tech is. Just be happy LG is going to release the software update to the regular G6
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It's a decent difference especially the 6gb of ram. When it comes to multi tasking.And with promotions from carriers it will barely be more. Let alone they come with ear phones not a crappy Google home.
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Chances are very slim if this plus model will ever be sold out side korea.
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Cst79 said:
Hello,
I just read that, along with the G6+, LG will deliver an update for the regular G6 which will enable a new "Lower Power Consumption" mode which is something I am very interested in. Does it really increase battery life for the G6 significantly (which would make me really consider buying it) ? I wonder if anyone has experience with this ?
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I hope it is some kind of tool to control apps running in the background by itself. I find the app power monitor tool in Samsung devices really useful.
vintagerock said:
This is like saying people who bought the Galaxy S8 should be pissed about the Note 8 when it's released in August. There's always going to be the next bigger, better thing man. That's how tech is. Just be happy LG is going to release the software update to the regular G6
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Wrong that's the note 8 we new it was coming. As well as the v30. But 3 months ago no one expected to already be outdated. Opinions vary but trust me I love my phone would love it more with the + features mostly the ram. I use multiple window a lot. With ram heavy apps.
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As far as power save mode. I guess it's like greenifu. Hopefully like Samsung power saving mode
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Wrong that's the note 8 we new it was coming. As well as the v30. But 3 months ago no one expected to already be outdated. Opinions vary but trust me I love my phone would love it more with the + features mostly the ram. I use multiple window a lot. With ram heavy apps.
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As far as power save mode. I guess it's like greenifu. Hopefully like Samsung power saving mode
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All I'm saying is that what happens when you buy tech right when it comes out. You can always wait 4 months and get it cheaper or get the next big thing.
And I think greenify is ****. I used it for awhile and saw only marginal improvement and it makes the screen flash when you turn it off while it hibernates everything and to me that was super annoying.
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All I'm saying is that what happens when you buy tech right when it comes out. You can always wait 4 months and get it cheaper or get the next big thing.
And I think greenify is ****. I used it for awhile and saw only marginal improvement and it makes the screen flash when you turn it off while it hibernates everything and to me that was super annoying.
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True 100% but I already got good deal on my phone but don't want to upgrade again. The g7 will be OLED so I'll just wait. I never use greenify. I never have battery issues and with qc. Who even cares IMO truly. Turning of data is IMO the best way to save battery.
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It's a decent difference especially the 6gb of ram. When it comes to multi tasking.And with promotions from carriers it will barely be more. Let alone they come with ear phones not a crappy Google home.
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G6+ will keep the actual 4GB... For me, it's just a little update. Not worthy
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G6+ will keep the actual 4GB... For me, it's just a little update. Not worthy
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Sorry bro it's not. It's getting 6gb of ram
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It's a decent difference especially the 6gb of ram. When it comes to multi tasking.And with promotions from carriers it will barely be more. Let alone they come with ear phones not a crappy Google home.
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Sorry bro it's not. It's getting 6gb of ram
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"Aside from the bump in storage, the LG G6+ has the same specs as the standard variant, including a 5.7-inch QHD+ display, Snapdragon 821, 4GB of RAM, microSD slot, dual 13MP cameras at the back, 5MP front shooter, Wi-Fi ac, Bluetooth 4.2, NFC, USB-C, and a 3300mAh battery with Quick Charge 3.0 and Qi wireless charging. LG is also bundling a pair of B&O Play earphones that are designed to take full advantage of the 32-bit Quad DAC."
https://www.androidcentral.com/lg-g6-plus-128gb-storage-new-colors-now-official-korea
"The LG G6+ doubles the internal storage to 128GB, but the RAM remains at 4GB. LG also brought Qi wireless charging to the Plus model."
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_launches_the_g6_with_128gb_storage_qi_wireless_charging-news-25651.php
I'll prefer wait for an official answer from LG. Anyway, i came from an OP3, and memory is not a problem yet with LG G6
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Turning off the phone is an even better way to save battery !
Seriously, do you listen to yourself ? Why do people buy "SMARTphones" ? Why do people buy FLAGSHIPS ? To save battery by disconnecting them from the Internet ? A Nokia 100 would have been much cheaper for you. I need my flagship smartphone to do business, to be connected, to be notified, to respond in real time.
They need to fix the network switching in low signals area. If I don't force LTE only network keep switching trough 2g-3g-4g. This continuous switching causes battery drain and heating.
Hope that will fix this.
Could they have found a way to fix the high percentage of phone idle? It would be great
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Turning off the phone is an even better way to save battery !
Seriously, do you listen to yourself ? Why do people buy "SMARTphones" ? Why do people buy FLAGSHIPS ? To save battery by disconnecting them from the Internet ? A Nokia 100 would have been much cheaper for you. I need my flagship smartphone to do business, to be connected, to be notified, to respond in real time.
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Because when I'm at work and I can't have my phone on me it has to be locked in my locker. I don't need it sitting their constantly updating everything. I could restrict background data on all apps I guess. Or if once I take my lunch or break I switch data back on. Bam get all my emails and FB,SC, or whatever updates right than. Or say I'm at the movie theater I don't need data on so might as well switch it off. It may be extra 5% saved over a 2 hour movie but still it all adds up right. So yes I listen to myself bit truly I have ZERO issue with my battery. We but flagships for performance and or features, does that mean we instantly have to sacrifice battery life for it? The droid ultra MAXX was sadly a decently bad phone but the battery life was amazing. LG also makes X-power phone with a monster battery and decent specs too. All phones have trade offs but still not everyone can "respond in real time" so therefore data can be shut off
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Killua96 said:
They need to fix the network switching in low signals area. If I don't force LTE only network keep switching trough 2g-3g-4g. This continuous switching causes battery drain and heating.
Hope that will fix this.
Could they have found a way to fix the high percentage of phone idle? It would be great
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I've heard many people do a factory reset and solve that idle issue. I don't have it so I can't say 100% I will test my phone tomorrow from full to 20% and see what the results are
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I've heard many people do a factory reset and solve that idle issue. I don't have it so I can't say 100% I will test my phone tomorrow from full to 20% and see what the results are
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Strange, I've heard no one who solved this =(
Even users that reach 6-7 sot have as second voice the phone idle, which was a serious problem on G5 too on both marshmallow and nougat.
Btw already tried to disable Qmemo+ as someone suggested, made clean installation of 10F firmware and a second reset after nothing worked.
I'm pretty sure that is a LG problem since a guy who works with me in the same place with the same operator didn't have any problems with the S7Edge before and the S8+ now. That's why I hope for a fix xD
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Strange, I've heard no one who solved this =(
Even users that reach 6-7 sot have as second voice the phone idle, which was a serious problem on G5 too on both marshmallow and nougat.
Btw already tried to disable Qmemo+ as someone suggested, made clean installation of 10F firmware and a second reset after nothing worked.
I'm pretty sure that is a LG problem since a guy who works with me in the same place with the same operator didn't have any problems with the S7Edge before and the S8+ now. That's why I hope for a fix xD
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Will test and post screenshot of my results
Killua96 said:
Strange, I've heard no one who solved this =(
Even users that reach 6-7 sot have as second voice the phone idle, which was a serious problem on G5 too on both marshmallow and nougat.
Btw already tried to disable Qmemo+ as someone suggested, made clean installation of 10F firmware and a second reset after nothing worked.
I'm pretty sure that is a LG problem since a guy who works with me in the same place with the same operator didn't have any problems with the S7Edge before and the S8+ now. That's why I hope for a fix xD
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Couldn't get phone any lower heading to bed gotta plug in. Here's what I got. Basically seems that phone isle uses right around 1% an hour and truly I don't see that as a problem at all.
Hi, long time XDA user here. I'm currently using a OnePlus X. I was considering springing for the new OnePlus 6, but I really shouldn't spend that much money right now. I saw that the V20s (a phone I was interested in previously) are very affordable now and I imaging for 200 bucks I can push my upgrade down the road for a bit, maybe until the OP6+ comes out. I've had an LG phone before and liked it , but it's been quite a few years.(Windows Mobile fellas, not even Windows Phone)
1. Is the V20 still viable, does it run well with current apps and networks?
2. How is the ROM support doing nowadays, and is the rooting process in general still possible from the firmware that currently ships on the phone? (I'm not sure what LGs stance on bootloader locking is)
3. Do custom roms make use of the secondary screen at all?
4. What are the phone's weakest points or biggest annoyances today? As in, what hasn't really stood the test of time?
Thanks for any info you can provide me.
Kevin1a said:
Hi, long time XDA user here. I'm currently using a OnePlus X. I was considering springing for the new OnePlus 6, but I really shouldn't spend that much money right now. I saw that the V20s (a phone I was interested in previously) are very affordable now and I imaging for 200 bucks I can push my upgrade down the road for a bit, maybe until the OP6+ comes out. I've had an LG phone before and liked it , but it's been quite a few years.(Windows Mobile fellas, not even Windows Phone)
1. Is the V20 still viable, does it run well with current apps and networks?
2. How is the ROM support doing nowadays, and is the rooting process in general still possible from the firmware that currently ships on the phone? (I'm not sure what LGs stance on bootloader locking is)
3. Do custom roms make use of the secondary screen at all?
4. What are the phone's weakest points or biggest annoyances today? As in, what hasn't really stood the test of time?
Thanks for any info you can provide me.
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The v20 is basically end of life, bootloader unlocking and root, is dicey depending on the variant you buy, development slowed down to a trickle for some time, common issues include, poor cell reception, screen retention, bad mics, the v20 is still waiting for Oreo and the phone was released over two years ago and probably will never see another os upgrade after that. Currently second screen only works on stock based roms.
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The v20 is basically end of life, bootloader unlocking and root, is dicey depending on the variant you buy, development slowed down to a trickle for some time, common issues include, poor cell reception, screen retention, bad mics, the v20 is still waiting for Oreo and the phone was released over two years ago and probably will never see another os upgrade after that. Currently second screen only works on stock based roms.
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Thanks for the info. This is exactly what I was looking for.
cnjax said:
The v20 is basically end of life, bootloader unlocking and root, is dicey depending on the variant you buy, development slowed down to a trickle for some time, common issues include, poor cell reception, screen retention, bad mics, the v20 is still waiting for Oreo and the phone was released over two years ago and probably will never see another os upgrade after that. Currently second screen only works on stock based roms.
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I wouldn't say that with the active development of Lineage OS and Any Kernel.
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The v20 is basically end of life, bootloader unlocking and root, is dicey depending on the variant you buy, development slowed down to a trickle for some time, common issues include, poor cell reception, screen retention, bad mics, the v20 is still waiting for Oreo and the phone was released over two years ago and probably will never see another os upgrade after that. Currently second screen only works on stock based roms.
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This sums it up. Seems the v20 is dead. Maybe oreo will bring more development but I doubt it since a lot of people have moved on
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I wouldn't say that with the active development of Lineage OS and Any Kernel.
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Oh yeah lineage that half baked os that's unofficial and you lose main features of the phone and have to flash constant updates or use work arounds to have basic functionality, yeah that's development right there.
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LG V20 Still A good Phone
Well maybe you would like a different perspective. I fist laid eyes on the LG V20 in a Verizon store about a month ago but they would not sell it to me because it is not made anymore. So I just purchased an unlocked version from B&H in New York. My first attraction to this phone is the second screen which i think is extremely useful. Then i noticed that the LG V20 has a removable back panel so you can replace the battery. I have been looking for that ever since my NOTE 4 bricked two years ago. in the interim I had a Motorola Pure X which took a look for me to part with. SO that was all I needed to make the choice to buy it. now i do not have to carry a battery brick or make sure i am near a charger all day. i can carry a spare battery in my pocket. Next fringe benefit was finding out that this phone has 3 cameras, 1 front facing and 2 rear, one of them being a wide angle lens. But the love keeps getting better... add to that a removable SD card up to 256 GB or more when they come out with one, fingerprint censor, 64 GB phone and you have a pretty serious contender. I love this phone. I love it so much i but another one. Actually at the moment i have 3. Oh and yes, probably one of the only phones left that has both a 3.5 mm headphone jack and a type C charging port. The Audio and DAC units in this phone is better than most high end audio gear that you would find in a music studio, and i am a musician. I have heard of complaints about the camera quality, but to that i say if you want pictures with that kind of quality, go out and buy a Nikon! Also i have heard that manufactures are moving away form 3.5 mm jacks and removable batteries because they want to make the phones more water proof. Bull Hockey!! Are people so obsessed with phones that they cannot leave the thing alone for a 10 minute swim. The real reason is because the manufacturer doesn't want you keeping a phone more than 2 years so they make the batteries last only that long and if you cannot replace the battery, you need a new phone. (or you can go the route of trying to put a new battery in your phone and butcher it to death).
Long story to say do not count the LG V20 out yet. it is a superb phone, has many features that a lot of other phones just do not have. I am very pleased with both of mine and i love the second screen.
The only bad experience i have had is that in order to get Verizon's Visual Voice mail, i had to purchase a Verizon version, and the front camera crapped out after a week. It was supposed to be new, but the box looks like it has been ridden around the world, so i doubt it was new. SO i am sending that back but still have both of my unlocked US996's.
cnjax said:
The v20 is basically end of life, bootloader unlocking and root, is dicey depending on the variant you buy, development slowed down to a trickle for some time, common issues include, poor cell reception, screen retention, bad mics, the v20 is still waiting for Oreo and the phone was released over two years ago and probably will never see another os upgrade after that. Currently second screen only works on stock based roms.
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Like, how is December 2016 is more that 2 years ago? Kid, are you sane? More so, Shap 820 even didn't existed more than 2 years ago, it is still actual chip not legacy like some 810, and 835 is pretty much == 820 rebranded and repainted
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1. Is the V20 still viable, does it run well with current apps and networks?
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Yes, because it's powered by SD820, not Snap 430 or 600 or something
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4. What are the phone's weakest points or biggest annoyances today? As in, what hasn't really stood the test of time?
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The weakest point is battery somewhat degraded over time, I could have like 7hrs SOT on Wifi on the start but now after cold winters it shows its age and gives me around 4.5...5 SOT on same router. but battery is exchangeable easily and I hope to buy more fresh one
Some people claim they got screen retention, it's more visible the more southern country you live and more brighter you must set you screen to
I still am keeping it as a backup phone but I am using a different DD. I did take it on a trip though with the 10800 ma battery I have for it. I'm running a stock 918H and it still fairly fast. The SD card and headphone jack are nice too. Still a good buy at $150 or so
I love the second screen and the DAC but being forced to run the stock ROM is a PITA as it's very sluggish. I have a Mi A1 that runs circles around the V20 in terms of performance, which is sad. Meanwhile, if you try to solve the lag, running Lineage OS defeats the purpose and outweighs the benefits of the phone as you won't have the DAC, second screen nor full camera functionality.
Absolutely it is worth it. You can pick up a V30 with a slightly faster processor, and slightly better camera (and that is debatable) for $250. However, you will lose the replaceable battery, the second screen, the IR blaster.
The people that say they are having performance problems have hardware issues. Even stock non-rooted, runs plenty fast, but if you use Alpha ROM, and debloat all the carrier bullsh** then it runs like a beast.
-- Brian
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Absolutely it is worth it. You can pick up a V30 with a slightly faster processor, and slightly better camera (and that is debatable) for $250. However, you will lose the replaceable battery, the second screen, the IR blaster.
The people that say they are having performance problems have hardware issues. Even stock non-rooted, runs plenty fast, but if you use Alpha ROM, and debloat all the carrier bullsh** then it runs like a beast.
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I don't have hardware issues. The stock ROM (de-bloated or not) is well known to be sluggish. As I stated in my post, the phone is completely different if running Lineage at the cost of the unique functionality. Aside from many people complaining of the performance under stock as being sluggish, this guy describes it perfectly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZl2GpxekrQ&t=3s
So I have a slow phone? Holy crap! I had no idea!
Stop spreading FUD, and learn how to do things like disable rctd, ccmd, logging, CPU throttling...
-- Brian
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Absolutely it is worth it. You can pick up a V30 with a slightly faster processor, and slightly better camera (and that is debatable) for $250. However, you will lose the replaceable battery, the second screen, the IR blaster.
The people that say they are having performance problems have hardware issues. Even stock non-rooted, runs plenty fast, but if you use Alpha ROM, and debloat all the carrier bullsh** then it runs like a beast.
-- Brian
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runningnak3d said:
So I have a slow phone? Holy crap! I had no idea!
Stop spreading FUD, and learn how to do things like disable rctd, ccmd, logging, CPU throttling...
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Your sarcasm isn't appreciated and I'm not spreading fud - this is fact. I've done lots of tweaking and no amount of it will fix what LG did to the stock ROM. You're acting as if I'm the only person who has pointed out the shortcomings of the V20. The fact is, it is a fantastic phone with bad execution of the OS by LG. To be clear, I still use mine but it will soon be retired to secondary usage as my Mi A1 is way better as a DD.
No, I am sure there are plenty of others out there complaining as well -- that also don't know the first thing about how to get the most out of their phone.
Is the V20 the end-all / be-all? Nope, but it is the last great flagship phone that was released. Everything since is just a waste of money.
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We just bought our T-mobile V20's this year. Great phones for about $150 in excellent used (hard to tell they were used) condition. Great photos and DAC, among other things. We couldn't find anything comparable for that price, new or used.
Mine is still great. Stock, unrooted, H990DS with a zerolemon 10000mAh extended battery. The image retention doesn't bother me - it's not permanent. I use the widescreen camera a lot, and charge the device once every 3-4 days. The IR transmitter sees plenty of use too, as does the DAC and the dual SIM.
There's nothing else that fits my needs. Dreading when it dies.
I just got me V20 H918 in excellent condition with 3 batteries and 4 cases for $185 shipped. I've come from G4 which started to have GPS lock issues, sometimes. My LG G3 GPS is no longer working at all. lol. Not sure what's up with that. Was this fixed in v20 or is this just tear and wear on GPS chip or something?
My main attraction point is camera manual controls and i mean white balance K numbers and mic for loud concert recording as well as removable battery and i prefer bigger screens and 5.7 upgrade from 5.5 on G4 is welcomed too. Oh and DAC was other feature that attracted me as well. What's weird that G4 concert recording was terrible but G3 was fantastic. Never distorted. Hoping V20 has great mic like G3 did. Let me know your thoughts.
I will NOT buy a phone if it doesn't have removable battery as i refuse to spend $800 on phone every few years and be forced by manufacturers due to profit.
Don't know any other manufacturer that lets you do white balance in K values. I wish aperture would be f=1.6 or f1.5 but had no complains with 1.8 on G4. Kinda sucks wide angle is f2.4, as it should be 1.8 or lower. It seems ppl use that camera more often. I guess night shots in standard angle is to use.
Thought about pixel but don't have manual control like LG does. If you guys have any suggestions on used phone <$250 that blows V20 out of water please let me know. I use to be Samsung Galaxy lover but since LG introduced manual controls i switched. There was pro photographer article on G4 camera so ppl that think iphone or samsung has better camera u should read that article. But let me know if there is something better.
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In process of rooting it as i need it for kernel auditor for screen colors profiles (Vomer DeepRich) and kernel i/o scheduler control and kin screen and lux too, among few more other apps. Came with 10u so downgraded to 10p, bootloader unlocked already. Next will be laf exploid root method.
I just reflashed the excellent Alpha ROM on my V20 and managed to rid myself of a significant portion of the sluggishness I mentioned by getting rid of Magisk. I'm not sure what was going on but Magisk was definitely slowing everything down on my V20. Recommend if you buy this phone to stay away from Magisk or at least keep this is mind if you intend to root.
im on Mi A1 right now and im planning also to switch to V20.
Looking at purchasing a V20 and just wanted people's opinions on the phone (those who already own it and are using it). I can get a new one for $230 from a legit seller on eBay so I'm seriously considering it. Right now I have an iPhone 8+ with AT&T but I'm missing my Android and it would be nice to have a user replaceable battery and not be stuck with a phone whose battery dies after 2 years or so.
I'm also wondering which model to buy? The new one on eBay is a H190, but I've read in places that the US996 is also a good model. I might actually consider rooting this phone so which model would be easiest to root?
Thanks.
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Looking at purchasing a V20 and just wanted people's opinions on the phone (those who already own it and are using it). I can get a new one for $230 from a legit seller on eBay so I'm seriously considering it. Right now I have an iPhone 8+ with AT&T but I'm missing my Android and it would be nice to have a user replaceable battery and not be stuck with a phone whose battery dies after 2 years or so.
I'm also wondering which model to buy? The new one on eBay is a H190, but I've read in places that the US996 is also a good model. I might actually consider rooting this phone so which model would be easiest to root?
Thanks.
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Honestly, I would never suggest someone to buy the LG V20. And since you're currently an iOS user owning an 8+ this would reinforce me to not suggest the phone even more. I own a V20 (H990DS AME) & I'm using it to write this. It's been with me for almost 2 years & boy it throttles A LOT. I'm still on Android nougat waiting for the Oreo update. Other V20 models have gotten the Oreo update (Verizon, AT&T, All international H990DS except AME I think etc.). So to summarize things up, I do not recommend this phone as it will be a pain most of the time i.e. cons >>>>>>>>>>> pros. Screen burn ins, too much lags, bad battery life, slow performance, extremely slow software support, laggy camera, outdated design (at least that's what I think now), and the useless second screen that LG THINKS they implemented the software correctly for it (Oreo doesn't change the way it works, meaning it's still the same) >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi-Fi Quad DAC (The only good thing I can think of in the V20).
PS: NO root for Android Oreo on the V20 since it just came out 1 year late woohoo! So you'll have to wait until a root comes out.
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Looking at purchasing a V20 and just wanted people's opinions on the phone (those who already own it and are using it). I can get a new one for $230 from a legit seller on eBay so I'm seriously considering it. Right now I have an iPhone 8+ with AT&T but I'm missing my Android and it would be nice to have a user replaceable battery and not be stuck with a phone whose battery dies after 2 years or so.
I'm also wondering which model to buy? The new one on eBay is a H190, but I've read in places that the US996 is also a good model. I might actually consider rooting this phone so which model would be easiest to root?
Thanks.
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Here's the deal. If you plan on rooting your phone...get it. Custom ROMs really make this phone shine. Us996 is unlockable and rootable. The H910 is rootable up to a certain point, double check on that as it's not my model. If you're going to keep the phone stock..it's OK. You're going to get some lag over time. I'm on an LS997, rooted it was great (broke that one), and now I'm on stock ? Oreo. It's good for a daily driver for the most part. Love that I can pop and swap batteries as well as sd cards -- quad DAC and ir blaster are also a big plus. Long story short, it's ok stock but you will deal with screen burn (pretty much fixed if rooted) and lag. I know iOS is pretty solid and is fluid, but the things I CANT do with that phone drive me absolutely nuts. That's why I always go back to Android. If you root your phones definitely get it. Can't beat the features for that price brand new. You can pick them up even cheaper used. The guy above me obviously didn't root his phone and I'm sure he'd be singing a different tune about the phone if he did. I say get it, especially if you're gonna root it. If not it's a decent option for the price.
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Honestly, I would never suggest someone to buy the LG V20. And since you're currently an iOS user owning an 8+ this would reinforce me to not suggest the phone even more. I own a V20 (H990DS AME) & I'm using it to write this. It's been with me for almost 2 years & boy it throttles A LOT. I'm still on Android nougat waiting for the Oreo update. Other V20 models have gotten the Oreo update (Verizon, AT&T, All international H990DS except AME I think etc.). So to summarize things up, I do not recommend this phone as it will be a pain most of the time i.e. cons >>>>>>>>>>> pros. Screen burn ins, too much lags, bad battery life, slow performance, extremely slow software support, laggy camera, outdated design (at least that's what I think now), and the useless second screen that LG THINKS they implemented the software correctly for it (Oreo doesn't change the way it works, meaning it's still the same) >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi-Fi Quad DAC (The only good thing I can think of in the V20).
PS: NO root for Android Oreo on the V20 since it just came out 1 year late woohoo! So you'll have to wait until a root comes out.
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I agree with this. Wouldn't recommend it either. You'd be better off with another device.
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Honestly, I would never suggest someone to buy the LG V20. And since you're currently an iOS user owning an 8+ this would reinforce me to not suggest the phone even more. I own a V20 (H990DS AME) & I'm using it to write this. It's been with me for almost 2 years & boy it throttles A LOT. I'm still on Android nougat waiting for the Oreo update. Other V20 models have gotten the Oreo update (Verizon, AT&T, All international H990DS except AME I think etc.). So to summarize things up, I do not recommend this phone as it will be a pain most of the time i.e. cons >>>>>>>>>>> pros. Screen burn ins, too much lags, bad battery life, slow performance, extremely slow software support, laggy camera, outdated design (at least that's what I think now), and the useless second screen that LG THINKS they implemented the software correctly for it (Oreo doesn't change the way it works, meaning it's still the same) >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi-Fi Quad DAC (The only good thing I can think of in the V20).
PS: NO root for Android Oreo on the V20 since it just came out 1 year late woohoo! So you'll have to wait until a root comes out.
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Have you even considered a custom ROM? All of your gripes are pretty much eliminated by using one..
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aakashverma0007 said:
I agree with this. Wouldn't recommend it either. You'd be better off with another device.
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You're on stock?
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Have you even considered a custom ROM? All of your gripes are pretty much eliminated by using one..
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No. I've tried custom roms. Things are a lot better with them.
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Have you even considered a custom ROM? All of your gripes are pretty much eliminated by using one..
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No actually I haven't tried custom ROMs, and I don't know much about them. However, recently I did start looking into them, but as I can see that installing custom ROMs will remove some functionality in the V20. Things like the second screen &/or the fingerprint scanner (Also what about the Hi-Fi Quad DAC? Will it still work?).
What custom ROM would you suggest as the best one for the V20 (H990DS)?
Thanks for the replies everyone. So if I wanted to go back to Android can you recommend a good phone? I hate the new curved screens on everything and it seems all the phones are starting to look alike. I should have stuck with my Note 5, but oh well live and learn, lol. I was only considering the V20 because of the replaceable battery, SD card and of course Android.
Just out of curiosity, what's your opinion on the V30?
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No actually I haven't tried custom ROMs, and I don't know much about them. However, recently I did start looking into them, but as I can see that installing custom ROMs will remove some functionality in the V20. Things like the second screen &/or the fingerprint scanner (Also what about the Hi-Fi Quad DAC? Will it still work?).
What custom ROM would you suggest as the best one for the V20 (H990DS)?
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Those only apply if your using an lineage/resurrection/aikp ROM and from the last I read lineage has second screen support ...ish. I think there's a way to get quad DAC working in lineage too. You'll have to read it though. I can't root my phone because of ARB but before I broke my last v20 I loved running custom ROMs . If you use a stock rooted ROM you can debloat and tweak the system for performance. Again on custom stock based ROMs all features still work. Go through the ROM recovery thread and look to see what works best for you.
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dougdraws said:
Thanks for the replies everyone. So if I wanted to go back to Android can you recommend a good phone? I hate the new curved screens on everything and it seems all the phones are starting to look alike. I should have stuck with my Note 5, but oh well live and learn, lol. I was only considering the V20 because of the replaceable battery, SD card and of course Android.
Just out of curiosity, what's your opinion on the V30?
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No second screen no removable battery...meh I'll stick with my v20. Like I said if you root it and put a custom ROM on it's in my opinion a far better phone than those available. The newer ones may have water resistance fingerprint scanner in screen etc...but those arent what made me choose a phone. The v20 has everyhing i wanted. As the v30 I hear it's a decent phone.
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No second screen no removable battery...meh I'll stick with my v20. Like I said if you root it and put a custom ROM on it's in my opinion a far better phone than those available. The newer ones may have water resistance fingerprint scanner in screen etc...but those arent what made me choose a phone. The v20 has everyhing i wanted. As the v30 I hear it's a decent phone.
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How difficult is it to root the V20? I'm a complete n00b when it comes to rooting and from little I have read on it, it seems quite daunting.
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How difficult is it to root the V20? I'm a complete n00b when it comes to rooting and from little I have read on it, it seems quite daunting.
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It's not incredibly difficult. There's literally a thread with step by step instructions. It was harder than rooting my note 5 and note 4, but impossibly so.
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It's not incredibly difficult. There's literally a thread with step by step instructions. It was harder than rooting my note 5 and note 4, but impossibly so.
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Would you have a link to that thread?
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Would you have a link to that thread?
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I can't search cause I'm on mobile but if you go to the news and development threat you can search the dirty santa rooting g method or laf method depending in the variant.
The v20 is a very nice phone. In fact I bought another one. It has a SD slot, 64gb onboerd, IR blaster and removable battery. It's worth it just for those features. Mine does not throttle. Neither one does. I just wish people would not buy phones that take away features, it just encourages the phone makers to keep taking them away. As a result, next time I buy a phone, I'll be forced to but an inferior product to my v20's [emoji852]️
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The V20 is a fine device, yes even today so the naysayers and ne'er-do-wells in this thread automagically telling anyone to avoid it - considering everything it offers that can't really be found on most if any of the flagships available today - is a bit ludicrous. It gets the job done just fine, Oreo is now available for it (save for the US996 but that could become available any day now whenever LG gets around to it), and of the variants out there I would say - if you're in the US - the best variant to get is the T-Mobile H918 model which allows for easy bootloader unlocking, Oreo is now out (and we just got our first security patch for that a few days ago), it has some custom ROMs available that get good reviews (but you will lose some functionality, the second screen support is barely there but it does exist to various degrees, both Nougat and Oreo), and of course all the other good things about the phone are great.
The Snapdragon 820 even in spite of being a lowly quad core SoC is still damned powerful and fast. The 4GB RAM is more than enough today, there are a multitude of tweaks and custom kernels to improve things, TWRP is actively developed for the V20, and the device just works. Yes it has some screen retention issues at times, on some people's devices it's more noticeable, on others - like on mine - it's just not something to focus on nearly as much as some people do. The 820 does hardware accelerated h.265 8 and 10 bit decoding too so that's a plus if you're a media hound like a lot of people too.
$230 for a used V20 is kinda steep - I paid $110 for my H918 from an eBay seller and it was shipped to my door for that much, no issues so far aside from the rear camera having some focus issues but I resolved that by buying a new camera module and I'm good to go so I've put $138 into my V20 and it works damned near flawlessly at this point.
H918
- Easily unlocked bootloader
- Installing TWRP is fairly idiot proof as well
- Rooting is possible but a bit more complex in methodology, it's actually easier to just flash a pre-rooted stock ROM and probably faster too
- Stock rooted Oreo 20g and you can roll back to Nougat with no issues (at least up to the present time, nobody knows if T-Mobile might alter the ARB variable at a later time)
- Latest Vulkan GPU drivers (I don't really need them since I don't play games or do much that ever even kicks the GPU into action but I figured it can't hurt to install 'em)
- High Impedance mode for the DAC is enabled permanently because I changed a variable in build.prop so it was always on regardless of the headset/IEMs I use
- I use UAPP (USB Audio Player PRO) to always use the ESS DAC (and not the Snapdragon DAC as part of the SoC) for all audio playback of local files and streaming audio from Shoutcast-capable streams
- IR blaster is something I use quite a bit - my Wife is deaf and sometimes we'll go to places that have TVs like a doctor's office lobby or something similar and they rarely enable the closed captioning or subtitles on their TVs so, I do it myself so my Wife can keep up with what's going on even in spite of their inconsiderate attention to details
- Modified thermal config file to ensure I get minimal lag and throttling - using the CPU Throttling Test app I get no less than 83% throttling (not much at all really) after 15 minutes of testing, with the stock thermal conf it'll throttle down as low as 45% depending on temps
- mk2000 kernel which improves performance and battery life (modified stock kernel)
It just works for me, but as I said, you can find a great V20 for a lot less than $230, absolutely. Hell, Woot.com was selling refurbs a few weeks ago for $140 iirc, a lot of people pounced on those when it happened according to what I had read about the deal.
It's a fantastic piece of hardware, but not it's not perfect, nothing ever is. For the price, and for what it offers, it's still pretty damned hard to beat even today.
dougdraws said:
Thanks for the replies everyone. So if I wanted to go back to Android can you recommend a good phone? I hate the new curved screens on everything and it seems all the phones are starting to look alike. I should have stuck with my Note 5, but oh well live and learn, lol. I was only considering the V20 because of the replaceable battery, SD card and of course Android.
Just out of curiosity, what's your opinion on the V30?
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I actually have a v30 plus at home and it's amazing. Display is gorgeous and an AMOLED panel. Battery life is good. Camera's great. Has HiFi DAC. Doesn't have screen retention issues.
The reason I'm not recommending v20 is because it's a 2016 flagship that doesn't really perform like a flagship on stock rom in terms of performance. It probably won't be getting Pie update.
For 230 dollars, if you don't mind rooting, it's a good device.
What's the cost at which you're getting V30?
Though it doesn't support removable battery.
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How difficult is it to root the V20? I'm a complete n00b when it comes to rooting and from little I have read on it, it seems quite daunting.
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Rooting on the H918 (T-Mobile) version isn't that hard. You use a FWUL (Linux) and run 3 commands. Really easy and safe. The other models can vary but if you know how to use cmd even a little bit, it shouldn't be that hard. If you need help just ask on here.
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I own a V20 (H990DS AME) & I'm using it to write this. I'm still on Android nougat waiting for the Oreo update. Other V20 models have gotten the Oreo update (Verizon, AT&T, All international H990DS except AME I think etc.). Screen burn ins, too much lags, bad battery life, slow performance, extremely slow software support, laggy camera, and the useless second screen that LG THINKS they implemented the software correctly for it (Oreo doesn't change the way it works, meaning it's still the same). Hi-Fi Quad DAC (The only good thing I can think of in the V20).
PS: NO root for Android Oreo on the V20 since it just came out 1 year late woohoo! So you'll have to wait until a root comes out.
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FYI: https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/development/rom-h990ds-oreo-flashable-t3853735
There's flashable Oreo stock and custom rooted ROMs available for almost every variant.
Also, all of those problems are eliminated by a custom ROM and Kernel. It's a process, yes, but the phone essentially becomes something else entirely.
Also also, we've got second-screen support on ResurrectionRemix (this is most up to date) and LineageOS, both with the stock ROM kernel or a custom one (I maintain the second-screen Gamma kernel).
The DAC/Camera/etc. all work as they do on stock.
got it for 2000 hkd. still using wetarom....is fast as hell and the battery last forever... the only down side is it requires some tweaking and tuning..
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The v20 is a very nice phone. In fact I bought another one. It has a SD slot, 64gb onboerd, IR blaster and removable battery. It's worth it just for those features.
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I just wish people would not buy phones that take away features, it just encourages the phone makers to keep taking them away. As a result, next time I buy a phone, I'll be forced to but an inferior product to my v20's [emoji852]️
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Amen
What's happened is at some point the customer stopped mattering any more only the company stock holder. All these companies copy things that make Apple suck they never try to emulate what makes Apple great.
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Looking at purchasing a V20 and just wanted people's opinions on the phone (those who already own it and are using it).
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I'm on stock since i didn't want to bother with rooting. The phone does what i want. I don't have screen retention since i have brightness down. I suspect its caused by high brightness all the time. Some people can't see the screen unless its 70% bright. Mine is usually in the 20s or 30s unless its outdoors
I got it because of the camera i had on the G4. Liked the interface. The wide angle is useful. Starting to be copied by Samsung & Huawei
I don't use headphones but I hear its got a good DAC. Reason i don't have headphones is because increasingly where would i plug them into in the future
Still on N, and everything works fine. I avg 4-5h SOT on wifi and a spare will double that in a snap. No high end phone can match that and likely never will. Mid rangers with 600 series CPUS & thick batteries might.
I find the second screen useful. Only way to quick launch the camera while listening to something
I'm not too bothered with speed. Computers spend most of their lives waiting for people to tell them what to do. This phone runs cool maybe its because it throttles past a certain temperature. That's good as i live in the tropics and it can get warm here.
I'm actually nervous about Oreo that it might break something so i'm not in the slightest bit bothered about not having it yet.