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16Gb vs. 32Gb

Hello,
I assume that all the upcoming SGS2 in the market are the 16Gb based model.
Any news when the 32Gb will be out? any estimates on pricing?
Also - I understand that in Android, like linux/unix - more base memory = better overall performance (swap, etc.). Is that really the case?
Thanks,

32gb is just based on the storage and u will get the same amount (around 2gb) to install apps. the rest is storage. u will not gain any performance as its like swapping a 16gb micro sd for a 32gb micro sd "all u gain is storage"

SD Card Slot speeds

With black friday coming up, I'm looking for a large micro SD card. My main debate is through speed. I want the 128GB Sandisk microSD card, but it's capped to 30MB/s sequential reads, while the 64GB extreme goes up to 80MB/s. Can the tablet take advantage of those higher speeds? I want as little a difference between the internal memory and the external memory as possible. My only concern is 64GB may not be enough, as I download a metric ton of games, and I'm blowing through the internal memory. Basically, I'm asking for buying advice, and this is all very specific to the shield tablet. I have no other intended uses for the SD card.

I have a Samsung 64gb PRO up to 90mb/s and this is the result

Is that what the shield tablet is actually able to write at? If so, then it's worth it for the increased data loading in my games. That's my main concern. Also, how efficient is app2SD type transferring? I want to know if my SD card will be used effectively, or if I will still end up running out of storage space.

Nintonito said:
With black friday coming up, I'm looking for a large micro SD card. My main debate is through speed. I want the 128GB Sandisk microSD card, but it's capped to 30MB/s sequential reads, while the 64GB extreme goes up to 80MB/s. Can the tablet take advantage of those higher speeds? I want as little a difference between the internal memory and the external memory as possible. My only concern is 64GB may not be enough, as I download a metric ton of games, and I'm blowing through the internal memory. Basically, I'm asking for buying advice, and this is all very specific to the shield tablet. I have no other intended uses for the SD card.
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There's a new version of the 128gb that rated 48mb/s. But if you want faster card you can only get them in 64gb. Like the Samsung pro at 90mb/s.

aznmode said:
There's a new version of the 128gb that rated 48mb/s. But if you want faster card you can only get them in 64gb. Like the Samsung pro at 90mb/s.
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I'm afraid to ask how much this new 128GB model is. I can't justify spending $200 on a micro SD solely for tablet storage.

Nintonito said:
I'm afraid to ask how much this new 128GB model is. I can't justify spending $200 on a micro SD solely for tablet storage.
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I got one for my note 4 at $109. Might find good deals on black Friday
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Memor...416866651&sr=1-1&keywords=128gb+micro+sd+card

Unfortunately this isn't available yet in canada

Mine is a Samsung 64gb UHS-1 pro, formatted with NTFS and 64gb cluster size:

Nintonito said:
Unfortunately this isn't available yet in canada
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I see. But I think even at 48mp/s, it's not gonna be the same as internal. If you want something close then the Samsung Pro 64gb with 90mb/s is your best bet. But you are only going to match the read speed. The internal memory's write speed is still faster by 2x. But I really doubt you're going to care about that much if you're just transferring 1-2gb of data to the sdcard. And I'm assuming these are game data? Once those are transferred, it's pretty much done with. Even with my 64gb card now with 11.73 mb/s write speed is plenty fast when I move files to the card. If there are game saves that needs to write to the card, they are gonna be small data. I have about 20 game data on the SD card using Folder Mount and I don't find any issue launching them. The only one that I noticed takes longer is Half Life.

Yeah that definitely sounds good. Faster the better. I want a seamless experience.

Does anyone have experience with PNY sd cards? I saw one for $110 that's a 128GB card with 40MB/s sequential read speeds. How would the card perform, ans would it be enough?

Personally I don't think the extra speed will make that big of a difference. Those benchmarks provide controlled and consistent circumstances which are not realistic. Almost nothing you do on the tablet in normal use will push the read speeds. Tbh write speeds could be more important, as they are typically much slower then write speeds. I'm not saying read speed doesn't matter, but that there is certainly a diminishing return on speeds.
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http://www.amazon.com/Lexar-High-Pe...id=1417018420&sr=8-6&keywords=128+gb+micro+sd
Currently that's the fastest 128 GB card I've found, but you're going to pay for it out the nose. I'd vote to wait a bit and see if you can swing it with at 64 GB UHS card first, like the Samsung Pro series. The faster the card the more seamless the experience will be, and even though use will not mimic the benchmark situation it's still going to take less time to write and read to a very fast card in daily use so it will make a difference for sure.

livinonnoslp said:
http://www.amazon.com/Lexar-High-Pe...id=1417018420&sr=8-6&keywords=128+gb+micro+sd
Currently that's the fastest 128 GB card I've found, but you're going to pay for it out the nose. I'd vote to wait a bit and see if you can swing it with at 64 GB UHS card first, like the Samsung Pro series. The faster the card the more seamless the experience will be, and even though use will not mimic the benchmark situation it's still going to take less time to write and read to a very fast card in daily use so it will make a difference for sure.
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What about if I simply want to use it to load up and watch videos? No gaming nothing else. Is a SanDisk 128GB microSDXC @ 30MB good enough for that? Like say, this one?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SanDisk-128...05&prg=11353&rk=3&rkt=6&sd=151483862076&rt=nc

Yes that should be fine I just wouldn't put any apps on it at all only media

Thanks for your help guys. Ended up buying a Sandisk UHS-3 64GB card for $100. So far so good. Although android's sd card support for apps is SO BAD.

[No Root] Sdcard as internal storage.

You can use your Sdcard as internal storage on all 6.0+ devices.
Refer to this video:
https://youtu.be/D64UNGaAUoI
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one thing to keep in mind: you'll want a fast card if you're planning on doing this. my sandisk UHS-1 cards has a speed of 30MB/s and I find it almost unusably slow for internal memory. simple reading apps took 10-15 seconds to load, and operating within the app was equally frustrating. formatted it and i just use it as storage, so everyone is happy

No cards are fast enough yet to make it worth the hassles, for me anyway

aviwdoowks said:
No cards are fast enough yet to make it worth the hassles, for me anyway
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I'm using a combination card, 30gb adopted, 90gb external. It's a Samsung uhs1 card. Definitely slower response from heavier apps stored there, but it's nice to offload stuff that I use less frequently or that doesn't need a lot of speed (utilities, eBook readers, etc) to maximize onboard storage for the apps that need it. I dump media to the external portion so it is usable on other devices should I need to do so.

if you're interested in seamless performance, check out the new A1 series that SanDisk is producing. It conforms to the new standard that states it should be as fast as internal memory when used as adoptable storage. http://www.droid-life.com/2017/01/05/sandisks-new-256gb-a1-microsd-card-wants-apps/

suggestions required on choosing 16gb or 32 gb variant

Dear experts..
please help me in choosing 16gb or 32 gb variant of moto g4 plus.
I liked the specs of moto g4 plus and have been looking to buy it since a very long time. and equally so scared of reading negative reviews.
Iam a very moderate mobile user , my requirements :
1. occassional calling - less than 1 hr on call / day
2.browsing
3.less than 1hr on social media / day
4. occasional usage of camera,music,videos
5. never touch any games apps
Now iam confused between choosing 16gb/2gb vs 32gb/3gb because of 2 reasons
1. there is difference of 3000 INR between these variants in india currently,
2. the negative reviews
- why should i spend 3000 more bucks on a mobile which "MIGHT " creats issues in future ? so i want to go for a lower version of this same mobile for lesser price?
please clarify these doubts :
- for my above mentioned requirements, is 2gb ram really sufficient ?
- iam having Strontium Nitro 32GB 70MB/s UHS-1 Class 10 microsdhc Memory card, i want to use this SD card as permanant internal storage. does it support as internal storage memory ? and is it advisable to do so ? will there be any lags ?
-Of the 16 gb internal memory, i guess only 9 gb is available, If i update g4plus OS to nougat and in future to android O , how much internal space would left to me in 16gb. ? can i compensate this space issue with SD card ?
- apart from Ram and space is there any thing that would bother me among these two variants in future ? ? iam going to use it atleast for 3 years..
Please kindly enlighten me, iam so confused.
Thanks in advance...
stay blessed...
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pinke93 said:
Dear experts..
please help me in choosing 16gb or 32 gb variant of moto g4 plus.
I liked the specs of moto g4 plus and have been looking to buy it since a very long time. and equally so scared of reading negative reviews.
Iam a very moderate mobile user , my requirements :
1. occassional calling - less than 1 hr on call / day
2.browsing
3.less than 1hr on social media / day
4. occasional usage of camera,music,videos
5. never touch any games apps
Now iam confused between choosing 16gb/2gb vs 32gb/3gb because of 2 reasons
1. there is difference of 3000 INR between these variants in india currently,
2. the negative reviews
- why should i spend 3000 more bucks on a mobile which "MIGHT " creats issues in future ? so i want to go for a lower version of this same mobile for lesser price?
please clarify these doubts :
- for my above mentioned requirements, is 2gb ram really sufficient ?
- iam having Strontium Nitro 32GB 70MB/s UHS-1 Class 10 microsdhc Memory card, i want to use this SD card as permanant internal storage. does it support as internal storage memory ? and is it advisable to do so ? will there be any lags ?
-Of the 16 gb internal memory, i guess only 9 gb is available, If i update g4plus OS to nougat and in future to android O , how much internal space would left to me in 16gb. ? can i compensate this space issue with SD card ?
- apart from Ram and space is there any thing that would bother me among these two variants in future ? ? iam going to use it atleast for 3 years..
Please kindly enlighten me, iam so confused.
Thanks in advance...
stay blessed...
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You can go for the 16gb/2gb version

pinke93 said:
Dear experts..
please help me in choosing 16gb or 32 gb variant of moto g4 plus.... Please kindly enlighten me, iam so confused.
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~ "for my above mentioned requirements, is 2gb ram really sufficient ?"
2GB RAM is sufficient ONLY if you'd be carrying out these activities one at a time. Running social media app such as FB for an hour, whilst also browsing and/or listening to music, streaming media, is VERY likely to cause noticeable lag.
~ "Strontium Nitro 32GB 70MB/s UHS-1 Class 10 microsdhc Memory card, i want to use this SD card as permanant internal storage. does it support as internal storage memory ? and is it advisable to do so ? will there be any lags ?"
By permanent internal storage you most likely meant adoptable storage, which IS SUPPORTED by both 16gb and 32gb variants. IME you can never truly replace the efficiency of the inbuilt storage, specially for operations that would require constant yet quick I/O ops. Even while using your ext sdcard as adoptable storage its best practice to prioritize large external app data for the secondary storage - example offline YouTube content or camera RAW files.
Plus, external SD cards are not designed to endure rigorous read write operations and have a much smaller write cycle life. Besides, you may want to keep i mind that ext cards, are more prone to data corruption, and also if the card is ejected /damaged by mistake it'd crash the system given its functioning as internal storage.
As for the lags, not very noticeable in terms of animations, transitions or UI latency, but definitely in app launches, high load operations such as graphic rich games or image editing and saving edited files.
~ "Of the 16 gb internal memory, i guess only 9 gb is available, If i update g4plus OS to nougat and in future to android O , how much internal space would left to me in 16gb. ? can i compensate this space issue with SD card ?"
9 GB initial space in internal memory is rather low by today's standards. Even if you have set ext card as adoptable storage, several apps which have been designed for pre MM APIs vigorously cache data to internal drive by default, and unless you heavily tweak app data storage parameters you are likely to find much of 9gb taken up in no time.
So to specifically answer your question, yes you can compense for the low storage with am ext card but you'd be runnining a fairly tight ship, while also having to constantly keep check on storage performance.
~ " apart from Ram and space is there any thing that would bother me among these two variants in future ? ? iam going to use it atleast for 3 years.."
AFAIK storage & RAM are the only differences between the two variants. You should though do an accurate and detailed comparison on a site such as phonearena to be sure.
Bottomline: if the difference in price isn't unaffordable, you'd have much happier 3 years of use with the 32gb one.
All the best!
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One thing I noted was that you're planning to use a UHS-1 memory card as adoptable storage. If so, I'd suggest upgrading to a UHS-3 memory card if you can (this doesn't just apply to our device, it's more general advice for adoptable storage). It's more expensive, but the write speeds of UHS-3 cards are rated at 30 MB/s minimum, whereas for UHS-1 I recall the minimum write speed is 10 MB/s - 10 MB/s may be too slow for operations (and your device may notify you of that). UHS-3 cards seem to work better for adoptable storage (though as frances91 points out, they will not keep up with the internal flash memory). Look for UHS-3 (or U3) markings, I think they also come with v30 markings - here's an example: https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Memory-Cards/SanDisk-Extreme-microSDXC-Memory-Adapter/B01HXR51DI
Also, adoptable storage may mean that some apps get installed to your SD card rather than internal storage, which means that certain app functions (e.g. widgets) will not function until you move them to your internal storage. In addition to what frances91 has noted about data corruption (rare, but can happen), your adopted SD card is encrypted by your device, and so may not function if you eject/flash another system on your device until you erase the SD card. You therefore may wish to keep the SD card as portable storage, so apps are defaulting to internal storage for installation, and keeping your music/photos on your SD card. As portable storage, you can then eject the SD card as you wish.
I agree with frances91 though - if you see yourself using the device for 3+ years, I suggest spending the extra money now and buying the 3 GB/32 GB version to future proof yourself. Just ensure, if you see yourself flashing custom ROMs in the future, that the device you buy is not an Amazon Prime Exclusive (I didn't see one on Amazon India, just something to watch for).

Thank you very much @ echo92 , Frances91, killerhEmU .. will surely consider your points and buy it accordingly.. thanks for spending your valuable time to answer .
stay blessed

ZTE Blade Spark (Z971), Can internal storage be extended with a SD Card for apps?

I'm debating on getting a AT&T ZTE Blade Spark or Moto E4 Plus. The Specs are pretty much same, the only thing that is different is storage size. ZTE Comes with 16GB while the E4 Plus has 32GB. I would much rather save 50% and go with the Spark but 16gb isn't much storage for apps, So can I extend the storage space using a SD Card? 16GB isn't enough space for all my apps.

you can use an sd card as internal storage since it's running nougat, so yes, you can expand it

What is the recommended Class of Sd Card?

OmegaUltor said:
What is the recommended Class of Sd Card?
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OmegaUltor said:
What is the recommended Class of Sd Card?
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https://www.samsung.com/us/computin...ro-128gb-memory-card-w-adapter-mb-md128da-am/
This is the card that I use. Granted it's on the heavy side both price and capacity but so long as it's a class 10 card you should be good. Going lower just increases your chances (by a hair but still) of random failures which can muck up and afternoon.