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So I'm wondering if there is a micro SD card slot then do you really need to buy the 32gb version? It appears that the current math among tablet manufacturer's is $100 for 16gb of memory which is obviously a joke. So if i buy the 16gb version and then buy a 16gb sd card ($25) do I effectively come out with the same thing for $75 cheaper?
Depends how you use it. I think it will behave like the Samsung Galaxy S in that the built in memory will appear as a different location to the external memory. Files cannot span both locations and thus your file may not fit even though the total combined free space you have left is larger than the file you are trying to copy.
well if thats the case then in general it will work just fine. Chances arent very good that i'm going to have some massive file on there.
Internal memory is probably faster than 25$ microSD card.
You could spend $90 on a Class 10 32GB card and be looking pretty good.
there you go, 32 gb for the price they are offering 16gigs. sounds good to me. not only that but you can spread that cost. Drop the $499 now, wait a couple months and get the micro sd later. thanks for the info
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Internal memory is probably faster than 25$ microSD card.
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On my galaxy s, my class 4 micro sd card is as quick is the internal memory. I'm sure the tab will allow quicker speeds but it's worth noting that a class 4 card is sufficiently fast enough to play back 1080p without problems. If you want to save time transferring files between tablet and pc then fair enough but I would personally save money and get a class 4 and make a cup of tea while it copies
Just but the 16GB, as long as it has a micro SD slot you won't need anymore than that.
Thats pretty much what it mean, the question now is whether it will actually have an SD card slot, I have read conflicting reports that it does and does not have one.
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Thats pretty much what it mean, the question now is whether it will actually have an SD card slot, I have read conflicting reports that it does and does not have one.
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I think the conflicting reports are due to two different versions of the Tab 10.1. The version shown during the MWC does not appear to have a MicroSD card slot. The newer version shown at CTIA does have a MicroSD card slot. Most reviews are consistent with this but a few have gotten it wrong which has probably led to the confusion.
There's a number of differences between the versions but the easy to identify differences are thickness and MP of the rear camera. The first version (MWC) is 10.9mm thick and has an 8MP rear camera. The newer version (CTIA) is 8.6mm thick and has a 3MP rear camera.
Techno79 said:
I think the conflicting reports are due to two different versions of the Tab 10.1. The version shown during the MWC does not appear to have a MicroSD card slot. The newer version shown at CTIA does have a MicroSD card slot. Most reviews are consistent with this but a few have gotten it wrong which has probably led to the confusion.
There's a number of differences between the versions but the easy to identify differences are thickness and MP of the rear camera. The first version (MWC) is 10.9mm thick and has an 8MP rear camera. The newer version (CTIA) is 8.6mm thick and has a 3MP rear camera.
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Yeah i figure thats about what happened. Hopefully we will see some detailed(confirmed) specs soon so we can know what is really driving this thing. Also, perhaps finally review the optional UI question.
Dear Samsung,
Y U NO INFORM EXCITED PUBLIC OF FINAL SPECS!
Actually, what I want is 64GB internal memory model, with or without microSD card
I prefer without, if the space can be used to a little bit more battery and/or reduce the weight!.
I am now getting used to Nexus S, the one without microSD card. To my surprise, I can live with it, comfortably
true, you probably can live without an SD card. But the reason most people will probably get a 16gb plus a 32gb SD is because its cheaper (even with the extra 32gb SD card purchase) then paying an extra $100 for a mere 16GB
I actually have a 16gb class 4 sitting around collecting dust. I'll just stick it in 16gb model
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jvs60 said:
I actually have a 16gb class 4 sitting around collecting dust. I'll just stick it in 16gb model
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there ya go
gogol said:
Actually, what I want is 64GB internal memory model, with or without microSD card
I prefer without, if the space can be used to a little bit more battery and/or reduce the weight!.
I am now getting used to Nexus S, the one without microSD card. To my surprise, I can live with it, comfortably
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I wouldn't have thought removing a MicroSD card slot would save much space or weight. A MicroSD card is tiny as too the housing for the slot.
For me, the want of a MicroSD card slot is not for expanding storage space cheaply but more for being able to transfer files to/from MicroSD easily. There's many situations when I would want to do this with a MicroSD card from my other devices or it is a MicroSD card from someone else I am with. In those situations, it's sometimes easier than faffing around with cables, bluetooth or Wifi. So the slot just gives another option.
That's true. Having microSD is handy. Especially if you want to transfer a lot of files or big files.
But, my point is that no-microSD will not stop me buying a tablet
After I owned Nexus S, I don't think it is important anymore as long as the internal storage is big enough.
Again, this is my own preference
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I wouldn't have thought removing a MicroSD card slot would save much space or weight. A MicroSD card is tiny as too the housing for the slot.
For me, the want of a MicroSD card slot is not for expanding storage space cheaply but more for being able to transfer files to/from MicroSD easily. There's many situations when I would want to do this with a MicroSD card from my other devices or it is a MicroSD card from someone else I am with. In those situations, it's sometimes easier than faffing around with cables, bluetooth or Wifi. So the slot just gives another option.
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Yeah i figure thats about what happened. Hopefully we will see some detailed(confirmed) specs soon so we can know what is really driving this thing. Also, perhaps finally review the optional UI question.
Dear Samsung,
Y U NO INFORM EXCITED PUBLIC OF FINAL SPECS!
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The one released in Aust. last week is a 16GB no SD slot model. I haven't seen a confirmation of the one that has the SD slot but have heard rumours that it will be thinner and up to 32GB.
I thought the internal memory was available to both system & data doesn't this mean that the internal memory would be an ext flavour rather than a FAT?
I see your point and I have to agree that it does seem a bit cheaper just to get the 16gb model and buy a 16gb sd card unless u plan on being a data/movie packrat on ur Tab in which case you will want to get the 32gb model as well as a 32gb sd card.
I want the highest storage available period!
I don't care if it cost more. I would rather get a 32 GB and have another 32 GB of SD card storage.
I wish that there is a 64 GB version with SD card slot so that I can have 32 GB SD card to make the total of 96 GB.
I can never have enough space because I have so many HD movies that I want to store in my tablet.
With black friday coming up, I'm looking for a large micro SD card. My main debate is through speed. I want the 128GB Sandisk microSD card, but it's capped to 30MB/s sequential reads, while the 64GB extreme goes up to 80MB/s. Can the tablet take advantage of those higher speeds? I want as little a difference between the internal memory and the external memory as possible. My only concern is 64GB may not be enough, as I download a metric ton of games, and I'm blowing through the internal memory. Basically, I'm asking for buying advice, and this is all very specific to the shield tablet. I have no other intended uses for the SD card.
I have a Samsung 64gb PRO up to 90mb/s and this is the result
Is that what the shield tablet is actually able to write at? If so, then it's worth it for the increased data loading in my games. That's my main concern. Also, how efficient is app2SD type transferring? I want to know if my SD card will be used effectively, or if I will still end up running out of storage space.
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With black friday coming up, I'm looking for a large micro SD card. My main debate is through speed. I want the 128GB Sandisk microSD card, but it's capped to 30MB/s sequential reads, while the 64GB extreme goes up to 80MB/s. Can the tablet take advantage of those higher speeds? I want as little a difference between the internal memory and the external memory as possible. My only concern is 64GB may not be enough, as I download a metric ton of games, and I'm blowing through the internal memory. Basically, I'm asking for buying advice, and this is all very specific to the shield tablet. I have no other intended uses for the SD card.
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There's a new version of the 128gb that rated 48mb/s. But if you want faster card you can only get them in 64gb. Like the Samsung pro at 90mb/s.
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There's a new version of the 128gb that rated 48mb/s. But if you want faster card you can only get them in 64gb. Like the Samsung pro at 90mb/s.
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I'm afraid to ask how much this new 128GB model is. I can't justify spending $200 on a micro SD solely for tablet storage.
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I'm afraid to ask how much this new 128GB model is. I can't justify spending $200 on a micro SD solely for tablet storage.
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I got one for my note 4 at $109. Might find good deals on black Friday
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Memor...416866651&sr=1-1&keywords=128gb+micro+sd+card
Unfortunately this isn't available yet in canada
Mine is a Samsung 64gb UHS-1 pro, formatted with NTFS and 64gb cluster size:
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Unfortunately this isn't available yet in canada
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I see. But I think even at 48mp/s, it's not gonna be the same as internal. If you want something close then the Samsung Pro 64gb with 90mb/s is your best bet. But you are only going to match the read speed. The internal memory's write speed is still faster by 2x. But I really doubt you're going to care about that much if you're just transferring 1-2gb of data to the sdcard. And I'm assuming these are game data? Once those are transferred, it's pretty much done with. Even with my 64gb card now with 11.73 mb/s write speed is plenty fast when I move files to the card. If there are game saves that needs to write to the card, they are gonna be small data. I have about 20 game data on the SD card using Folder Mount and I don't find any issue launching them. The only one that I noticed takes longer is Half Life.
Yeah that definitely sounds good. Faster the better. I want a seamless experience.
Does anyone have experience with PNY sd cards? I saw one for $110 that's a 128GB card with 40MB/s sequential read speeds. How would the card perform, ans would it be enough?
Personally I don't think the extra speed will make that big of a difference. Those benchmarks provide controlled and consistent circumstances which are not realistic. Almost nothing you do on the tablet in normal use will push the read speeds. Tbh write speeds could be more important, as they are typically much slower then write speeds. I'm not saying read speed doesn't matter, but that there is certainly a diminishing return on speeds.
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http://www.amazon.com/Lexar-High-Pe...id=1417018420&sr=8-6&keywords=128+gb+micro+sd
Currently that's the fastest 128 GB card I've found, but you're going to pay for it out the nose. I'd vote to wait a bit and see if you can swing it with at 64 GB UHS card first, like the Samsung Pro series. The faster the card the more seamless the experience will be, and even though use will not mimic the benchmark situation it's still going to take less time to write and read to a very fast card in daily use so it will make a difference for sure.
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http://www.amazon.com/Lexar-High-Pe...id=1417018420&sr=8-6&keywords=128+gb+micro+sd
Currently that's the fastest 128 GB card I've found, but you're going to pay for it out the nose. I'd vote to wait a bit and see if you can swing it with at 64 GB UHS card first, like the Samsung Pro series. The faster the card the more seamless the experience will be, and even though use will not mimic the benchmark situation it's still going to take less time to write and read to a very fast card in daily use so it will make a difference for sure.
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What about if I simply want to use it to load up and watch videos? No gaming nothing else. Is a SanDisk 128GB microSDXC @ 30MB good enough for that? Like say, this one?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SanDisk-128...05&prg=11353&rk=3&rkt=6&sd=151483862076&rt=nc
Yes that should be fine I just wouldn't put any apps on it at all only media
Thanks for your help guys. Ended up buying a Sandisk UHS-3 64GB card for $100. So far so good. Although android's sd card support for apps is SO BAD.
Hey guys, i'm looking to get the shield tv, I want to spend the less possible. The 16Gb version is on sale for 20$CAD less, so 179.99$CAD. And I found some 128Gb micro SD cards for less than 50$CAD. For a total of around 275$CAD I could get the 16Gb + 128Gb sdcard. The 500Gb is 440$CAD at checkout. Now the real question is, should i got for the 16Gb with external memory mounted as internal memory (how does it work for you? Do you recommend it?) or go for the 500Gb? I want to use it to run my plex server on it and all my movies, musics, etc.. would be on my external hdd. And a lot of gaming.
What would you recommend me to do?
I wish I went for the 16gb option...
Edit: since I hate it takes 2 hours to wipe if going with a custom OS and/or unlocking the bootloader.
I do have to say having 500gb was a good idea before marshmallow 6.0 and adoptable storage arrived. Now the 500gb is more optional.
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It all depends what you want to use the extra storage for.
For a few games, I think you don't need the Pro. But if you want to keep your video library on the Shield...
Personally I would choose again: 16GB Shield + 64GB microSD + external HDD (for media).
But a 16GB Shield for 125€? I wouldn't hesitate!
PS: Bought the Shield on Black Friday for 175€ (remote included), the 64GB SanDisk Ultra (class 10) for 15€ on a later offer and the HDD (Seagate Expansion 2TB) one Black Friday earlier for about 75€. I don't know the situation in Canada, but in Germany the difference is of 100€ between the two versions (200€ vs 300€)
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It all depends what you want to use the extra storage for.
For a few games, I think you don't need the Pro. But if you want to keep your video library on the Shield...
Personally I would choose again: 16GB Shield + 64GB microSD + external HDD (for media).
But a 16GB Shield for 125€? I wouldn't hesitate!
PS: Bought the Shield on Black Friday for 175€ (remote included), the 64GB SanDisk Ultra (class 10) for 15€ on a later offer and the HDD (Seagate Expansion 2TB) one Black Friday earlier for about 75€. I don't know the situation in Canada, but in Germany the difference is of 100€ between the two versions (200€ vs 300€)
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How does the storage work with a sd card? Can you put the full version of a game on it(obb, data, ...)? I'm thinking of doing the same for my media, but for game I plan to play a lot of my already bought play store games (GTA, Modern combat, Talos, ans other big games..) but I juste want to be sure i can have games on the sd card.
Cannot really say. My games are rather few and small. I don't even think I go to really use that SD card. Maybe the official Nvidia forums are better source of information about this.
You have to format the SD card as "Internal Storage" .. AKA Adoptable Storage.
Once this is complete you will have the option to install / move apps (or games) over in their entirety.
I have to point out though that I have tried a Class10 SD card and found performance to be noticeably slower.. Enough to the point that I decided not to use it... So.. It will work but performance may or may not become an issue for you.
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How does the storage work with a sd card? Can you put the full version of a game on it(obb, data, ...)? I'm thinking of doing the same for my media, but for game I plan to play a lot of my already bought play store games (GTA, Modern combat, Talos, ans other big games..) but I juste want to be sure i can have games on the sd card.
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This is your best bet if you want speed for your adoptable storage. https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extr...nements=p_n_feature_two_browse-bin:6518305011
Dear experts..
please help me in choosing 16gb or 32 gb variant of moto g4 plus.
I liked the specs of moto g4 plus and have been looking to buy it since a very long time. and equally so scared of reading negative reviews.
Iam a very moderate mobile user , my requirements :
1. occassional calling - less than 1 hr on call / day
2.browsing
3.less than 1hr on social media / day
4. occasional usage of camera,music,videos
5. never touch any games apps
Now iam confused between choosing 16gb/2gb vs 32gb/3gb because of 2 reasons
1. there is difference of 3000 INR between these variants in india currently,
2. the negative reviews
- why should i spend 3000 more bucks on a mobile which "MIGHT " creats issues in future ? so i want to go for a lower version of this same mobile for lesser price?
please clarify these doubts :
- for my above mentioned requirements, is 2gb ram really sufficient ?
- iam having Strontium Nitro 32GB 70MB/s UHS-1 Class 10 microsdhc Memory card, i want to use this SD card as permanant internal storage. does it support as internal storage memory ? and is it advisable to do so ? will there be any lags ?
-Of the 16 gb internal memory, i guess only 9 gb is available, If i update g4plus OS to nougat and in future to android O , how much internal space would left to me in 16gb. ? can i compensate this space issue with SD card ?
- apart from Ram and space is there any thing that would bother me among these two variants in future ? ? iam going to use it atleast for 3 years..
Please kindly enlighten me, iam so confused.
Thanks in advance...
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pinke93 said:
Dear experts..
please help me in choosing 16gb or 32 gb variant of moto g4 plus.
I liked the specs of moto g4 plus and have been looking to buy it since a very long time. and equally so scared of reading negative reviews.
Iam a very moderate mobile user , my requirements :
1. occassional calling - less than 1 hr on call / day
2.browsing
3.less than 1hr on social media / day
4. occasional usage of camera,music,videos
5. never touch any games apps
Now iam confused between choosing 16gb/2gb vs 32gb/3gb because of 2 reasons
1. there is difference of 3000 INR between these variants in india currently,
2. the negative reviews
- why should i spend 3000 more bucks on a mobile which "MIGHT " creats issues in future ? so i want to go for a lower version of this same mobile for lesser price?
please clarify these doubts :
- for my above mentioned requirements, is 2gb ram really sufficient ?
- iam having Strontium Nitro 32GB 70MB/s UHS-1 Class 10 microsdhc Memory card, i want to use this SD card as permanant internal storage. does it support as internal storage memory ? and is it advisable to do so ? will there be any lags ?
-Of the 16 gb internal memory, i guess only 9 gb is available, If i update g4plus OS to nougat and in future to android O , how much internal space would left to me in 16gb. ? can i compensate this space issue with SD card ?
- apart from Ram and space is there any thing that would bother me among these two variants in future ? ? iam going to use it atleast for 3 years..
Please kindly enlighten me, iam so confused.
Thanks in advance...
stay blessed...
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You can go for the 16gb/2gb version
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Dear experts..
please help me in choosing 16gb or 32 gb variant of moto g4 plus.... Please kindly enlighten me, iam so confused.
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~ "for my above mentioned requirements, is 2gb ram really sufficient ?"
2GB RAM is sufficient ONLY if you'd be carrying out these activities one at a time. Running social media app such as FB for an hour, whilst also browsing and/or listening to music, streaming media, is VERY likely to cause noticeable lag.
~ "Strontium Nitro 32GB 70MB/s UHS-1 Class 10 microsdhc Memory card, i want to use this SD card as permanant internal storage. does it support as internal storage memory ? and is it advisable to do so ? will there be any lags ?"
By permanent internal storage you most likely meant adoptable storage, which IS SUPPORTED by both 16gb and 32gb variants. IME you can never truly replace the efficiency of the inbuilt storage, specially for operations that would require constant yet quick I/O ops. Even while using your ext sdcard as adoptable storage its best practice to prioritize large external app data for the secondary storage - example offline YouTube content or camera RAW files.
Plus, external SD cards are not designed to endure rigorous read write operations and have a much smaller write cycle life. Besides, you may want to keep i mind that ext cards, are more prone to data corruption, and also if the card is ejected /damaged by mistake it'd crash the system given its functioning as internal storage.
As for the lags, not very noticeable in terms of animations, transitions or UI latency, but definitely in app launches, high load operations such as graphic rich games or image editing and saving edited files.
~ "Of the 16 gb internal memory, i guess only 9 gb is available, If i update g4plus OS to nougat and in future to android O , how much internal space would left to me in 16gb. ? can i compensate this space issue with SD card ?"
9 GB initial space in internal memory is rather low by today's standards. Even if you have set ext card as adoptable storage, several apps which have been designed for pre MM APIs vigorously cache data to internal drive by default, and unless you heavily tweak app data storage parameters you are likely to find much of 9gb taken up in no time.
So to specifically answer your question, yes you can compense for the low storage with am ext card but you'd be runnining a fairly tight ship, while also having to constantly keep check on storage performance.
~ " apart from Ram and space is there any thing that would bother me among these two variants in future ? ? iam going to use it atleast for 3 years.."
AFAIK storage & RAM are the only differences between the two variants. You should though do an accurate and detailed comparison on a site such as phonearena to be sure.
Bottomline: if the difference in price isn't unaffordable, you'd have much happier 3 years of use with the 32gb one.
All the best!
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One thing I noted was that you're planning to use a UHS-1 memory card as adoptable storage. If so, I'd suggest upgrading to a UHS-3 memory card if you can (this doesn't just apply to our device, it's more general advice for adoptable storage). It's more expensive, but the write speeds of UHS-3 cards are rated at 30 MB/s minimum, whereas for UHS-1 I recall the minimum write speed is 10 MB/s - 10 MB/s may be too slow for operations (and your device may notify you of that). UHS-3 cards seem to work better for adoptable storage (though as frances91 points out, they will not keep up with the internal flash memory). Look for UHS-3 (or U3) markings, I think they also come with v30 markings - here's an example: https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Memory-Cards/SanDisk-Extreme-microSDXC-Memory-Adapter/B01HXR51DI
Also, adoptable storage may mean that some apps get installed to your SD card rather than internal storage, which means that certain app functions (e.g. widgets) will not function until you move them to your internal storage. In addition to what frances91 has noted about data corruption (rare, but can happen), your adopted SD card is encrypted by your device, and so may not function if you eject/flash another system on your device until you erase the SD card. You therefore may wish to keep the SD card as portable storage, so apps are defaulting to internal storage for installation, and keeping your music/photos on your SD card. As portable storage, you can then eject the SD card as you wish.
I agree with frances91 though - if you see yourself using the device for 3+ years, I suggest spending the extra money now and buying the 3 GB/32 GB version to future proof yourself. Just ensure, if you see yourself flashing custom ROMs in the future, that the device you buy is not an Amazon Prime Exclusive (I didn't see one on Amazon India, just something to watch for).
Thank you very much @ echo92 , Frances91, killerhEmU .. will surely consider your points and buy it accordingly.. thanks for spending your valuable time to answer .
stay blessed
I bought a 128 GB Samsung EVO microSDXC Memory Card U3, Grade 3, Class 10, from Amazon and was wondering if it is a good idea to use it as internal adoptable storage. Will it affect performance so bad? I just have one week with my Mi A1 and it is working great, 64 GB is plenty for what I need for now, but I guess it will be great not to worry about data space for apps, movies or photos. So, what do you think?
+1 question
I have the 32gb A1 and use a Samsun 64gb SD as internal storage for a total of 96gb (around 90 usable) and it works a treat. I have around 30gb of apps already so the SD is being used a little and I couldn't tell which apps use it at all. They all feel equally quick.
No issues to report, highly recommend