Project Treble! - Moto G5 Plus Questions & Answers

Will our Moto G5 Plus will get project treble support? Project treble will help us in creating a Custom rom in Just 2-3 days easily....
I hope Developers try to add its support alongwith Android Oreo update!!

Unlikely... New (future) Moto devices might get it, but I find it very unlikely that Moto will apply it to old devices. My opinion, could be wrong, but Lenovo doesn't have much history of giving new features to devices existing devices.

acejavelin said:
New (future) Moto devices might get it
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Hi,
All new Oreo devices will need to habe Treble if the device pass the Google Certification. So, all new Moto devices that come with Oreo from start will be Treble enabled.
However, I'm with you: I don't think our current Moto's will get it. :crying:

If Vache does magic again, we could.
But as Vache is already our best Dev, and he's busy, he already shipped 64bits for us! That's already an amazing improvement.
He bring Oreo too. Without him, our device is almost dead.
But I don't know if vache want to add Treble support to our device, and I don't know if he can. But instead of wanting new thing, enjoy what he already done.

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Project Treble Support?

Hello,
Do you think that when and if lg releases Android 8.0 it would have support for Project Treble? Possible it would over time be done through development be done if people are still willing to for this device.
Project treble is mandatory only if the phone launches with Oreo. If LG doesn't support it then little can be done.
I would not hold my breath on this because even the V30 isn't technically required to support treble
I have a G6 and have been wondering the same things. Another thread talks about the difficulties in 'retro fitting' it to old devices. Seems the biggest hurdle would be to partition the drive (for vendor) OTA. To partition a drive isn't so big, we've all done it right? But to do it OTA, I can see why some mfg's may not be too keen on that.
I'm waiting to see what happens to my G6 after the Oreo update, I think it will be highly unlikely there will then be a separate partition, but we'll see. Assuming not, maybe there will be a way to create one yourself and get project treble going yourself somehow, we'll see.

Let's port Treble

It would be very nice if someone could bring compatibility to proyect treble for our device, we have the required things for bring it
https://github.com/dianlujitao/android_kernel_xiaomi_sdm660/tree/lineage-15.1 (8.1.0 KERNEL BOOTING)
https://github.com/phhusson?tab=repositories (LOT OF DOCUMENTATION OF TREBLE)
I would try myself but I don't know how to do that so if any developer know how to do it and can do it please work on it. With this we could boot generic aosp img and the development and rom choose would be bigher
Thanks a lot and let's start the discussion
that would be very nice.. or get lineageos 15.1 fully working..
LOS 15 will be available after O based Miui, so calm for a bit
AL_IRAQI said:
LOS 15 will be available after O based Miui, so calm for a bit
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This Mi Note 3 has very good potential. Camera and harware with this kind pricepoint. So hope development goes forward lot!
AL_IRAQI said:
LOS 15 will be available after O based Miui, so calm for a bit
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With this speed Xiaomi got for Note 3 this'll take an eternity.
omercicek43 said:
With this speed Xiaomi got for Note 3 this'll take an eternity.
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Actually he already got it working, just waiting for O blobs to fix cam
AL_IRAQI said:
Actually he already got it working, just waiting for O blobs to fix cam
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I'll try, too, if needed.
omercicek43 said:
I'll try, too, if needed.
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he wont share it, we have to wait
AL_IRAQI said:
he wont share it, we have to wait
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What exactly is this btw?
omercicek43 said:
What exactly is this btw?
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LOS 15.1
What do you think are the chances of this device getting support for Project Treble in the future, either from an official implementation with the MIUI 9.5 update or unofficial community port? I'm on the verge of purchasing this device but the lack of Treble is the only thing holding me back at the moment. Treble will be revolutionary for custom ROM support in 2018 and so it wouldn't make sense for a flashaholic like myself to purchase a device without it.
I already bought the device, but I would really like treble support for this phone
we have to get O first, so calm down for a bit
have a nice day
AL_IRAQI said:
we have to get O first, so calm down for a bit
have a nice day
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Fair enough. I'm just unsure what to do at the moment because I want to buy this phone but don't want to invest in something that won't receive Treble support in a few months time. Maybe I should just wait and see what the Mi7 has to offer, as that will come with Oreo pre-installed like the Mi MIX 2S. Hopefully it won't come with a notch.
P650SE said:
Fair enough. I'm just unsure what to do at the moment because I want to buy this phone but don't want to invest in something that won't receive Treble support in a few months time. Maybe I should just wait and see what the Mi7 has to offer, as that will come with Oreo pre-installed like the Mi MIX 2S. Hopefully it won't come with a notch.
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Why do you care about treble so much for a device that already has AOSP support ?, N Based ROMs are fully stable-ish at this point, O based ROMs will follow after Miui O update, so treble wont do that much for us
but if you end up getting Mix 2S or any other device with treble support, you dont have to wait for devs to support to your phone, just unlock & flash GSI builds, Treble is still a hit or miss follow Honor/Huawei devices forums for more info's
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Why do you care about treble so much for a device that already has AOSP support ?, N Based ROMs are fully stable-ish at this point, O based ROMs will follow after Miui O update, so treble wont do that much for us
but if you end up getting Mix 2S or any other device with treble support, you dont have to wait for devs to support to your phone, just unlock & flash GSI builds, Treble is still a hit or miss follow Honor/Huawei devices forums for more info's
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Thanks. I was interested in Treble mainly because it would allow flashing Treble-based ROMs that could be installed on any device. When Android P comes around it would mean getting it a lot quicker than if the phone did not have support for Project Treble. Still, it's good to know that all the currently available ROMs for the Mi Note 3 are stable and Oreo ROMs will be coming shortly. It looks like Oreo is scheduled for mid-April so there isn't too much longer to wait.
I cannot wait to see treble ported for our mi note 3
I'm starting to think xiaomi won't release an Oreo MIUI for Mi Note 3. If that's the case, will we be forever stuck in nougat? I thought if our device get treble supports, upgrades to later Android Versions (P, Q, and so on) will be assured. But it's like hoping for an Oreo ROM is already too much
Hey,Can anyone please guide me how to build an Oxygen OS for the Mi Note 3?It would be of great help... regards
AL_IRAQI said:
Why do you care about treble so much for a device that already has AOSP support ?, N Based ROMs are fully stable-ish at this point, O based ROMs will follow after Miui O update, so treble wont do that much for us
but if you end up getting Mix 2S or any other device with treble support, you dont have to wait for devs to support to your phone, just unlock & flash GSI builds, Treble is still a hit or miss follow Honor/Huawei devices forums for more info's
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Ppl here about project treble because with it, you can get faster android upgrades and custom ROMS on Pie or oreo

[Discussion] How long until we start seeing Project Treble ports of Android P?

Seeing as the first Android P Preview came out today, I'm wondering what (and how long) it would take to port it to Project Treble compatible devices.
Considering it is closed source, hard to say...
Though many people are on this.
phhusson said:
Considering it is closed source, hard to say...
Though many people are on this.
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Nice to know!
When the source code is usually released? With the official release of the new Android version? In this case we should wait September 2018 for android P...
Can't we just flash GSI of already released pixel images?
espireso said:
Can't we just flash GSI of already released pixel images?
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Released images are not GSI.
phhusson said:
Released images are not GSI.
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I've learned it from the hard way. I extracted system.img out of newly released pixel.zip. It didn't boot ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
phhusson said:
Considering it is closed source, hard to say...
Though many people are on this.
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does it always go open source only after all dp r released and stable is out?
zohaibahd said:
does it always go open source only after all dp r released and stable is out?
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Yes
I too have a question. what if the manufacturer no longer updates their device to android P but the device is trebled supported on Android O. will the devs still can update the device to android P and so on?
Because on not trebled enabled devices still getting the latest OS thru custom roms and powered also by snapdragon SoC.
If we gotta wait until the source is released then what's the point of project treble compared to the usual custom rom developement process ? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't treble supposed to allow any device that got a vendor partition to boot any system partition regadless of the hardware used by the given device ?
If I'm not mistaken:
Treble allows for a generic system image to be used. The Android P developer previews are very likely not GSIs: they target a particular vendor configuration. (I wouldn't be surprised to find that they include an updated vendor partition to go along with them.)
A GSI doesn't target a particular device, it targets only the known services specified by a particular release of Android - an Android GSI could theoretically target any specified vendor interface, be it 8.0, 8.1, 9.0, or whatever future interface appears, or even multiple if someone wanted to put in the effort.
That doesn't get past the fact that there is no source for Android P yet, so a GSI can't really be built for it. And the vendor interface doesn't mean that any image will boot on any device - maybe one that depends on a strict subset of what's provided in the vendor interface on a particular device, but I wouldn't be able to grab a Pixel image and load it on a Galaxy S9 or Mate 10 Pro, or otherwise for any mix of devices. They all have dependencies on vendor-specific pieces in their vendor partition, at the very least; there's also /product, /oem, and /odm on the Mate 9, which is also depended upon by it's system.img. A GSI can't depend on the existence of those things, an OEM image can.
Maybe, with a fair bit of work, someone could rip apart the Pixel system image and make a GSI out of it, but P would probably be out before that made significant headway into making it a GSI.
irony_delerium said:
If I'm not mistaken:
Treble allows for a generic system image to be used. The Android P developer previews are very likely not GSIs: they target a particular vendor configuration. (I wouldn't be surprised to find that they include an updated vendor partition to go along with them.)
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Yup, vendor partition has been updated.
And all your explanation is correct
Are GSIs for future versions of Android going to be released by Google or some other official entity? I thought this was the whole point of Project Treble :|
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Are GSIs for future versions of Android going to be released by Google or some other official entity? I thought this was the whole point of Project Treble :|
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Google does make GSIs available to oems for testing (cts/vts) -- you can find evidence of this in the android-vts google group. I suppose they could make those publicly available, but if they are just stock aosp (with no google apps) they probably don't want to do that yet.
GSIs are a nice outcome of Treble, but that wasn't the main goal.
There is a really good podcast discussing what Treble is over at Android Developers Backstage (episode 75).
Yall need to seriously learn to chill out and enjoy what you have for a second, for real. The P preview is exactly what it is and has always been...a PREVIEW. Just like before when it was only available to nexus devices, it's the same for pixel. Plus, it's highly unstable and buggy as hell right now, and like most previews before this one, a lot of the features will be removed and more added in as time goes.
And to answer your question, ge-n, about what the difference is, it's not an instant invitation to see what Google releases as a preview. For us, our greatest advantage is if you're running a S9 per say (bloated to hell and grossified by their "Samsung experience" aka former TouchWiz) you can get a more stock version if you'd like.
It seems like there's been some movement on this...
How long will we get Stable Treble rom?
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How long will we get Stable Treble rom?
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As long as it takes you to develop one.
Will be interesting to see how the P beta program is distributed since it's a lot of treble devices that's getting it now!

LG V20 Project Treble

Hey guys i was reading something about project treble and it seems we are compatible because we are running android 8.0, what do you think about it?!
I would like to be part of it, i love stock android and it is a great project
Just running Oreo doesn't qualify a device as Treble compatible. Nonetheless, @x86cpu has got the phone repartitioned and a GSI (generic system image) booted with issues. Specifically, it seems the camera will likely never work and he didn't want to pursue Treble for the time being. See this post and the ones before it for where the V20 stands for now.
Sad fact but i hope we get something at least on the next year, thanks bro!

REAL Treble for kenzo. MKGA (Make Kenzo Great Again).

so after long searching it finally clear to me that
- treble partition and recovery are available
- Can flash GSI/Treble rom but with quirks, e.g. bluetooth, hotspot not working
- Missing shims? Updated vendor partition?
so we need a great dev to work on it??
if great dev starts the project and start a pool for collecting $$$ as support i'll gladly donate $10us I'm sure more people will join too....
especially now that MIUI has finally released the final version https://www.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-redmi-note-3-final-miui-10-stable-update/
optionalmgrr.la said:
if great dev starts the project and start a pool for collecting $$$ as support i'll gladly donate $10us I'm sure more people will join too....
especially now that MIUI has finally released the final version https://www.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-redmi-note-3-final-miui-10-stable-update/
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Who gonna rewrite vendor code? Its not devs work. It comes from vendor and silicon manufacturer. They knows their hardware. So they work closely with google to write vendor blobs.
Why u want treble rom? Flashing gsi doesnt give u more performance and stabilty. They are more buggy than non treble rom. Non treble rom are device specific so have less bugs.
Kenzo will get android 10 and thats enough. After that 5g phones will hit the market and all will rush for it. So dont assume kenzo will survive till 2050 if we make it treble :laugh:
5G is going to be a flop like 3D TV.
If there is official LineageOS 16.0 then it's ok, but all other ROMs are too flicky they don't even support SELinux.
All those 1000s of different ROMs are basically the same base just add on top different customizations. That's why all 9.0 ROM are SELinux permissive.
In short, too many fancy half-working stuffs without any substance. We need a substantiated deve to help us out of this mess......
optionalmgrr.la said:
5G is going to be a flop like 3D TV.
If there is official LineageOS 16.0 then it's ok, but all other ROMs are too flicky they don't even support SELinux.
All those 1000s of different ROMs are basically the same base just add on top different customizations. That's why all 9.0 ROM are SELinux permissive.
In short, too many fancy half-working stuffs without any substance. We need a substantiated deve to help us out of this mess......
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Do u even know how selinux works.
What do u mean they dont even support selinux.? Every rom has selinux support since kitkat.
Why dont u write ur perfect selinux policy and help to this devs so that it can be enforced on pie.
And whats there in lineage official rom which other roms dont have. Lineage official has its rules which cant be met for older phones which has old vendor blobs. Difficult to get official status.
And Who really give damn about lineage official.
Other roms are more customizable and have far more better and miles ahead in features then los rom.
And what u mean by mess? Xiaomi gave mm blobs coz official miui on android 6. Then from where we will get latest code if qualcomm is not updating code for sd650.
Only stuff is broken on pie is Vilte. If u have selinux priority then use Citrus.
ok thx
Forget about project trouble for our kenzo

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