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bmw f30 android 7.1.x head units

Hi,
I am trying to buy an android head unit from aliexpress for my bmw f30 2013. Very few sellers answer questions and not to the point.
e.g.
1) does it supports after market front camera through RCA input and how easy is to select it? (e.g. does it appear automatically right after reverse gear)
2) does it support can bus messages or do I need a can bus converter. I have already tried 2 multimedia interfaces (IW06B-N23 and QHI-BM12) but they dont trigger the camera. So how to be sure that the same will not happen with the android head unit
3) which MCU is used in order to see if I will be able to find updated firmware on xda forum
4) will I hear oem radio during google maps navigation (hearing also google maps directions)
5) will it connect automatically to my iphone hotspot for internet
6) will it work for iphone 11.2 mirroring
7) will it show perfectly the oem screen
8) would I be able to use steering wheel controls for bluetooth and which bluetooth will I be able to use? the OEM one or the Android one?
9) would I be able to use idrive in google maps
All of the above I believe are very basic information that you cannot get from sellers. I dont understand how they sell or I am missing something here.
Is there anyone here with similar problems so we can help each other?
Regards,
Mike

With a name like Mike, you're maybe English or American? I really suggest buying locally. You'll pay £/$30 more but you'll get a warranty and protection from your local trading laws. Buying from China is a game of Russian roulette. I bought an Erisin from China before and it was absolutely fine. Lucky that, because one I bought from England was not fine, and I had to return it. Had it been the other way round, I'd have been in a world of trouble and £100+ down the ****ter.
1) does it supports after market front camera through RCA input and how easy is to select it? (e.g. does it appear automatically right after reverse gear)
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On mine, there's a setting for it to switch back to the front camera after the rear camera has been operating.
2) does it support can bus messages or do I need a can bus converter. I have already tried 2 multimedia interfaces (IW06B-N23 and QHI-BM12) but they dont trigger the camera. So how to be sure that the same will not happen with the android head unit
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It will come with a canbus decoder unit. Any unit worth it's salt will work correctly with your PDC system. Mine does.
3) which MCU is used in order to see if I will be able to find updated firmware on xda forum
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MCU is not important. It's the brand that puts out firmware updates. Xtrons, Joying and Eonon have fairly solid reputations for their updates. Xtrons have put out 5 so far for my unit. Erisin have a fairly flakey reputation. The rest are going to be a complete gamble and more likely you'll lose.
4) will I hear oem radio during google maps navigation (hearing also google maps directions)
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OEM radio? You're removing the OEM radio and replacing it with this. If you mean will you hear the radio and maps, yes, the maps software dips the volume in a very polite way
5) will it connect automatically to my iphone hotspot for internet
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Firstly, sack off the iPhone, it's crap and there's so many things you can do with Android that work with this unit (mine triggers the hotspot on and off when i get in and out of the car). In answer to your question, yes, you can connect it to your hotspot.
6) will it work for iphone 11.2 mirroring
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Only if the product spec says it will.
7) will it show perfectly the oem screen
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OEM screen?
8) would I be able to use steering wheel controls for bluetooth and which bluetooth will I be able to use? the OEM one or the Android one?
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Steering wheel controls work yep and they work with the calling.... at least mine do in my 3 series.
9) would I be able to use idrive in google maps
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You're mixing two entirely different software packages up here.
To conclude, if your car has iDrive. I wouldn't go anywhere near one of these systems, it'll be a ****ing minefield making it work. If yours is non iDrive, like mine, then it'll fit perfectly with no issues

Thank you for the supplied information. I am from Greece/EU and locally there are no such products.
Chinese solutions for BMW F30 are mainly changing only the screen (which is detachable) and the new one includes all the features inside the screen, so the main OEM function remain in-place.
I would take a look at xtrons as I have seen various posts here and they have a decent website hoping to receive updates but I dont know yet if they have an EU warehouse because import taxes is my country are very high. My concern stays for idrive and canbus integration mainly because I have already tested 2 other types of interface and non of them worked.
Lets see if xtrons will reply on aliexpress with more to the point questions!
skezza said:
With a name like Mike, you're maybe English or American? I really suggest buying locally. You'll pay £/$30 more but you'll get a warranty and protection from your local trading laws. Buying from China is a game of Russian roulette. I bought an Erisin from China before and it was absolutely fine. Lucky that, because one I bought from England was not fine, and I had to return it. Had it been the other way round, I'd have been in a world of trouble and £100+ down the ****ter.
On mine, there's a setting for it to switch back to the front camera after the rear camera has been operating.
It will come with a canbus decoder unit. Any unit worth it's salt will work correctly with your PDC system. Mine does.
MCU is not important. It's the brand that puts out firmware updates. Xtrons, Joying and Eonon have fairly solid reputations for their updates. Xtrons have put out 5 so far for my unit. Erisin have a fairly flakey reputation. The rest are going to be a complete gamble and more likely you'll lose.
OEM radio? You're removing the OEM radio and replacing it with this. If you mean will you hear the radio and maps, yes, the maps software dips the volume in a very polite way
Firstly, sack off the iPhone, it's crap and there's so many things you can do with Android that work with this unit (mine triggers the hotspot on and off when i get in and out of the car). In answer to your question, yes, you can connect it to your hotspot.
Only if the product spec says it will.
OEM screen?
Steering wheel controls work yep and they work with the calling.... at least mine do in my 3 series.
You're mixing two entirely different software packages up here.
To conclude, if your car has iDrive. I wouldn't go anywhere near one of these systems, it'll be a ****ing minefield making it work. If yours is non iDrive, like mine, then it'll fit perfectly with no issues
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Your car has iDrive? Be very careful. Those systems are so much more complicated. The reason the non-iDrive works is because it's actually still a simple system. It's just a whole bunch of relays triggered by other relays and a few more relays and then somewhere there's a computer that does it all. iDrive has it's own dedicated computer which does so much more and offers so much more functionality, and that's where you might find problems. Getting those two systems integrated could be an absolute minefield.

mnikitas said:
Hi,
I am trying to buy an android head unit from aliexpress for my bmw f30 2013. Very few sellers answer questions and not to the point.
e.g.
1) does it supports after market front camera through RCA input and how easy is to select it? (e.g. does it appear automatically right after reverse gear)
2) does it support can bus messages or do I need a can bus converter. I have already tried 2 multimedia interfaces (IW06B-N23 and QHI-BM12) but they dont trigger the camera. So how to be sure that the same will not happen with the android head unit
3) which MCU is used in order to see if I will be able to find updated firmware on xda forum
4) will I hear oem radio during google maps navigation (hearing also google maps directions)
5) will it connect automatically to my iphone hotspot for internet
6) will it work for iphone 11.2 mirroring
7) will it show perfectly the oem screen
8) would I be able to use steering wheel controls for bluetooth and which bluetooth will I be able to use? the OEM one or the Android one?
9) would I be able to use idrive in google maps
All of the above I believe are very basic information that you cannot get from sellers. I dont understand how they sell or I am missing something here.
Is there anyone here with similar problems so we can help each other?
Regards,
Mike
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Not sure if you are still around or found more info but the above posts are incorrect. The unit you are buying is more than likely the 10.25 screen upgrade with Android built in. It will work in tandem with idrive....everything works and it is easy install and upgrade.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10-...00a8-4760-8b00-b2efeaa2fb7e&priceBeautifyAB=0

So a stupid question, it seems there are several Chinese companies that sell these 10.25" Android panels for the F30 BMW. Though the interface looks exactly the same despite who made the tablet, is there really a difference in the ROM image between makes? The one I have is from COG Android (atleast that is what the Bluetooth ID says). I have had in other cars Joying and ITOPWay, are they really something different ( I almost suspect they are the same company)?

mnikitas said:
Hi,
I am trying to buy an android head unit from aliexpress for my bmw f30 2013. Very few sellers answer questions and not to the point.
e.g.
1) does it supports after market front camera through RCA input and how easy is to select it? (e.g. does it appear automatically right after reverse gear)
2) does it support can bus messages or do I need a can bus converter. I have already tried 2 multimedia interfaces (IW06B-N23 and QHI-BM12) but they dont trigger the camera. So how to be sure that the same will not happen with the android head unit
3) which MCU is used in order to see if I will be able to find updated firmware on xda forum
4) will I hear oem radio during google maps navigation (hearing also google maps directions)
5) will it connect automatically to my iphone hotspot for internet
6) will it work for iphone 11.2 mirroring
7) will it show perfectly the oem screen
8) would I be able to use steering wheel controls for bluetooth and which bluetooth will I be able to use? the OEM one or the Android one?
9) would I be able to use idrive in google maps
All of the above I believe are very basic information that you cannot get from sellers. I dont understand how they sell or I am missing something here.
Is there anyone here with similar problems so we can help each other?
Regards,
Mike
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Hi,
you can have a look below dasaita plug and play products hence it is the most popular and reliable android seller on the market ;
https://dasaita.aliexpress.com/stor...l?spm=a2g1y.12024536.pcShopHead_5904672.1_2_1
cheers.

New to Android headunits: Bluetooth and firmware questions

Hi!
I'm new here and am wondering if someone could help me out.
I got an Android headunit through a local workshop. I thought it'd be an upgrade, and in some respects it is, but it's been giving me endless problems. I've also eventually come to the realisation that the mechanic is pretty clueless about troubleshooting software issues (I suppose he's more of an installer) so I'm pretty much on my own here. He's talking to his supplier but has been established these Chinese suppliers aren't usually helpful.
There are 2 things which I can't figure out:
1. On day 1, the bluetooth worked. I could pair my iPhone with the headunit through the unit's stock "bluetooth/dialer" app. But the unit wouldn't power back on after it was installed the first time. Mechanic told me the the unit came shipped with a wire switched around and once he corrected that problem, the headunit has been working pretty reliably. Bluetooth stopped working after this, however. I've done a factory reset, tried the RST button upfront but to no avail.
I've go to settings and searched for "bluetooth" (yes, noted that it's hidden on these units!) and made sure it's switched on. Occasionally, I see my phone's name appear on the "settings" page, but I can't pair it with the unit. It remains stuck on "pairing." It still searches endlessly in the bluetooth/dialer app.
Is there anything else I should look into?
2. Can the OS and firmware be upgraded on my unit? I unfortunately, have no idea what brand/model the headunit is. My car's pretty rare in my country (Renault Clio 2015) and the headunits on Aliexpress were for a lower-end version with different connectors. The workshop got a unit for my model through its Chinese contacts, but it came in a non-descript box. Here's the info I've gotten from the Settings screen:
Processor type: QuadCore-T3
Android Version: 7.1.1
MCU version: T5.3.21-63-9B1-C06101-180904
System version: V8.3.2_20180919.193359_ZH5-N
I'll be going through the forum to learn as much about Android headunits but would appreciate any help in the mean time.
Thanks!

Spent some time looking around the forums. Thought I'd log what I've discovered for others who may be searching for similar info.
To recap, I have an Android head unit with no branding. Initially, all I had was the info from the "about device" screen, which provided a bunch of numbers.
I got more information by downloading a hardware info app. There are a few but they generally work the same by providing you with more hardware info (ie. clues).
Discovered I have an Allwinner T3 P3 system. I'm sure I'm lumping several things together but it was enough info to search the forum with.
Discovered this wonderful thread which is generally about Android units based on the above chipset.
Within that thread I came across this one which was extremely helpful. It details how there are 3 types of Allwinner T3 P3 systems which are all different as far as firmware is concerned. Links to their respective firmware are provided, as well as some info on how to reset/recover the system. Glad I found this as I have a better idea how these things work, and more importantly, it cautions against what NOT to do (and risk bricking your headunit).
The the post also links a Russian site that has even more info on my unit from the Allwinner T3 P3 family. Will explore this next (thanks Google translate!).
Will also try to do a factory recover to see if I can fix the bluetooth problem. It worked on Day 1 so at the very least I know the hardware works. That said, who knows if the hardware was fried when the wires were switched around.

Solved the bluetooth problem. Answer was in the Russian thread posted above!

Thank you, just got a unit with same MCU version and your post has helped me identify this thing!

Hi Ultimax,
I have a small question. I have the same car as you ( a 2015 clio 4) and I'm wondering about the Canbus configuration to use to get the steering wheel boutons to work? Looked everywhere and nothing on this topic so I'm really waiting for your directions..

jmouin said:
Hi Ultimax,
I have a small question. I have the same car as you ( a 2015 clio 4) and I'm wondering about the Canbus configuration to use to get the steering wheel boutons to work? Looked everywhere and nothing on this topic so I'm really waiting for your directions..
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Hey!
Glad to help!
What headunit comes installed in your Clio 4? Is it a R-Link TomTom unit (without the USB port next to the screen) or the more basic MediaNav (with the USB port next to the screen)?
If it's the MediaNav headunit, you're in luck. There are quite a few aftermarket Android headunits which are supposedly plug and play, including steering wheel buttons. At least that's what's claimed. I know Pioneer Europe has a headunit which is a 1 for 1 replacement for the stock unit. It even comes with a new plastic front so it fits perfectly and a new wiring harness.
https://www.pioneer-car.eu/eur/products/sph-evo62dab-clio
If it's the R-Link TomTom unit, then I'm afraid you're out of luck. This is the version of Clio 4 I have unfortunately. I've searched high and low on the internet for a suitable wiring harness+CANBUS which would allow me to use the factory steering wheel buttons but couldn't find any. The closest I came was one I got from China through a local installer, but only the volume and channel up/down buttons worked. The Android headunit itself which came with the CANBUS was sh!t and I was tempted to go back to the factory unit. Only thing keeping me from doing so was I'd already spent too much time and money getting it to work somewhat.
However, I recently installed a new Pioneer headunit. My local installer managed to replace the Android unit with it. He couldn't get the steering buttons to work though. He said he'd have to custom program one which would be pretty costly. So, I've given up on using the factory steering wheel buttons.
A cheap workaround is to use an aftermarket steering wheel control kit. You attach new controls to your steering wheel (either clipped, glued or recessed into new holes drilled into your steering wheel). The controls are powered by a long-life battery. The control unit is paired wirelessly with a receiver which you connect to the your headunit via the KEY1/KEY2 (Pioneer calls them Input 1 and 2), ground and ACC wires. Most headunits have these wires.
This is the option I'm going for. My kit hasn't arrived yet but I'm optimistic it'll work.
FYI, this is the one I bought:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000584816400.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.317a4c4dfTx6k3
There are other designs too. Just search the site for "universal steering wheel control radio"
Hope this helps!

Seat Leon 5f mk3 head unit

Hello to all of you,
I write here again after ages about a different android im looking for..
I’m looking for a head unit for my seat Leon 5f 2014 with the factory fitted color 5inch display called easy connect.
I’ve found lots of these oem style ,from AliExpress to here in local market in greece. I ignore the problems of running new usb new mic etc and I’m focused on the mfd and factory functions like consumption a/c etc.
I read here in xda and on their site (can’t give link search about cardvdstereos com -> Android 8.1 Car DVD Player VW MQB Universal MIBIV-927
..and the features it has on the golf model screen from that company.it has everything I need!!
instead the offered from them
For my Leon hasn’t it’s like everyone else..
Even if There isn’t any now,fully compatible
With my mfd on the market,
can you suggest me one,tested unit to buy even from China or Europe?
I saw a beautiful radio app for px5 processors with logos of the stations that I’d like to have with.also dsp is a good idea if it can be provided.Generally I am a retrofit guy but it’s too much cost so I got to the android oem style ones!
Thanks in advance!

giannisma said:
Hello to all of you,
I write here again after ages about a different android im looking for..
I’m looking for a head unit for my seat Leon 5f 2014 with the factory fitted color 5inch display called easy connect.
I’ve found lots of these oem style ,from AliExpress to here in local market in greece. I ignore the problems of running new usb new mic etc and I’m focused on the mfd and factory functions like consumption a/c etc.
I read here in xda and on their site (can’t give link search about cardvdstereos com -> Android 8.1 Car DVD Player VW MQB Universal MIBIV-927
..and the features it has on the golf model screen from that company.it has everything I need!!
instead the offered from them
For my Leon hasn’t it’s like everyone else..
Even if There isn’t any now,fully compatible
With my mfd on the market,
can you suggest me one,tested unit to buy even from China or Europe?
I saw a beautiful radio app for px5 processors with logos of the stations that I’d like to have with.also dsp is a good idea if it can be provided.Generally I am a retrofit guy but it’s too much cost so I got to the android oem style ones!
Thanks in advance!
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Hi
Do you have find a head unit ?
I have the same car.
Thanks

No mate,I’ve found only for seat ATECA.the Chinese seller says that also will fit us but I’m concerned because it fits different from pictures at least...

giannisma said:
No mate,I’ve found only for seat ATECA.the Chinese seller says that also will fit us but I’m concerned because it fits different from pictures at least...
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Ok.
Do you have driving mode ?
Thanks

Me,no but it’s supported from the android head unit as I know

2014 accord android head unit top screen question

Hello all, I'm very new to android auto and I'm still trying to figure out how this radio works. Some back story: 2014 accord comes with an "i-mid" top screen display for fuel consumption and trip info. This radio I purchased allows my to have an android head unit while retaining all factory functions including the top screen. Everything works great, but the top screen only appears in what I'm guessing is Chinese. If you go to "car settings" my fuel and trip info correctly appear in English, but that info gets lost in translation on its way to the top screen. I have searched up and down every setting and found nothing that affected to top display. I can provide more info if I am told what to look for, as I am still new to android auto.
Im not allowed to post a link, but if if you search "2014 accord android radio" on eBay, it will be one of the generic xy auto head units that is built into the a.c. vents.
Any and all help is greatly appreciated. Thank you!!!

Hey! I have the same car (mines the 2.4L manual transmission) and I just did the upgrade too... not really a fan of the iMid 'TFT Driver' that is supplied but it is what it is I guess... anyways to answer your question you definitely need to contact the reseller. The Sport version which I'm assuming is what you have, has OSD electronics in the iMid contrary to what a lot of people think... it is literally just a screen. As a result, these guys have created a device which can replicate the iMid and its controlled via the CanBus... but the device they chose to replicate the iMid is a really weak chip which can only support a few screens... it definitely doesn't have the program space for multiple languages (its a Intersil TW8825 mated to a Sony GVIF encoder)... and to the best of my knowledge it can't be flashed outside of the factory (or reprogrammed). Therefore, I think they sent you the wrong unit. They will have to ship you one that is in English.
Anyways, this is all assuming your car isn't the touring model or a model with factory navigation and subwoofer. If so it might be a different story.

willston said:
Hey! I have the same car (mines the 2.4L manual transmission) and I just did the upgrade too... not really a fan of the iMid 'TFT Driver' that is supplied but it is what it is I guess... anyways to answer your question you definitely need to contact the reseller. The Sport version which I'm assuming is what you have, has OSD electronics in the iMid contrary to what a lot of people think... it is literally just a screen. As a result, these guys have created a device which can replicate the iMid and its controlled via the CanBus... but the device they chose to replicate the iMid is a really weak chip which can only support a few screens... it definitely doesn't have the program space for multiple languages (its a Intersil TW8825 mated to a Sony GVIF encoder)... and to the best of my knowledge it can't be flashed outside of the factory (or reprogrammed). Therefore, I think they sent you the wrong unit. They will have to ship you one that is in English.
Anyways, this is all assuming your car isn't the touring model or a model with factory navigation and subwoofer. If so it might be a different story.
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Thank you for the reply! I do have an automatic sport model. It looks like I'm out of luck because the reseller told me that there is nothing they can do. However, I found a company in china (Feeldo) that makes these canbus harnesses. I was thinking that they could sell me ine programed in English, but they haven't replied.
Thank you very much for the insight!!! I guess the top screen shall remain my back up camera screen.

Hey no problem! I have a Dasaita unit personally, they sell the harness with the TFT driver (they call it another CanBus). I’m the same, can’t post links but I can vouch for that unit. Wiring it might be a trick though.
I’m actually looking at hacking the iMid screen so it can take a normal VGA input, I ordered a wrecker component the other day. I wrote a dashboard software for the iMid using a Raspberry Pi and I’m hoping that will be running soon!
Anyways I’m glad I’m not the only one with frustrations with their Honda iMid haha!

willston said:
Hey no problem! I have a Dasaita unit personally, they sell the harness with the TFT driver (they call it another CanBus). I’m the same, can’t post links but I can vouch for that unit. Wiring it might be a trick though.
I’m actually looking at hacking the iMid screen so it can take a normal VGA input, I ordered a wrecker component the other day. I wrote a dashboard software for the iMid using a Raspberry Pi and I’m hoping that will be running soon!
Anyways I’m glad I’m not the only one with frustrations with their Honda iMid haha!
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Thats awesome! I look forward to seeing what your project looks like when its complete. My idea was to use the reverese teigger wire in the canbus going to the imid and feed it ignition to always have it on amd somehow use the video out as screen mirror is something similar, but then I'm left with the dynamic reverse lines always being on. Your idea of converting to vga sounds very interesting! Keep me posted for sure!!!

I have the Dasaita px6. I'm looking for a tft driver I can connect a raspberry pi using HDMI to the imid. I currently have the canbus/driver box showing incorrect info also. Just looking for a passthru and maybe a switch for back up camera any help is appreciated

willston said:
Hey no problem! I have a Dasaita unit personally, they sell the harness with the TFT driver (they call it another CanBus). I’m the same, can’t post links but I can vouch for that unit. Wiring it might be a trick though.
I’m actually looking at hacking the iMid screen so it can take a normal VGA input, I ordered a wrecker component the other day. I wrote a dashboard software for the iMid using a Raspberry Pi and I’m hoping that will be running soon!
Anyways I’m glad I’m not the only one with frustrations with their Honda iMid haha!
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I have the Dasaita px6. I'm looking for a tft driver I can connect a raspberry pi using HDMI to the imid. I currently have the canbus/driver box showing incorrect info also. Just looking for a passthru and maybe a switch for back up camera any help is appreciated

Help in identifying my Android Head Unit

Hi All, first post,
1. I did a search on google and XDA for key info I obtained from the unit, no luck.
2. The unit resembles this unit - but mine is 10.1 Inch but the interface and apps are basically identical to this unit.
- https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/TS18-9inch-4G-2din-Car-Radio_1600324427529.html
3. Also, unit is Android 10, which is quite old, if upgradeable, would it make a difference to the look and feel?
I tried using the supplier / installer but he is not forthcoming with info, not sure why so hoping someone can point me in the direction, the unit has a mold that fits my Toyota Rav4 2017.
The goal is, to find out how to update the bluetooth / phone app (it sucks) as a starting point.
finally, here are some pics of the unit pre-install and hardware info in settings.
Thanks in advance

joumasepoes said:
Hi All, first post,
1. I did a search on google and XDA for key info I obtained from the unit, no luck.
2. The unit resembles this unit - but mine is 10.1 Inch but the interface and apps are basically identical to this unit.
- https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/TS18-9inch-4G-2din-Car-Radio_1600324427529.html
3. Also, unit is Android 10, which is quite old, if upgradeable, would it make a difference to the look and feel?
I tried using the supplier / installer but he is not forthcoming with info, not sure why so hoping someone can point me in the direction, the unit has a mold that fits my Toyota Rav4 2017.
The goal is, to find out how to update the bluetooth / phone app (it sucks) as a starting point.
finally, here are some pics of the unit pre-install and hardware info in settings.
Thanks in advance
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Well... don´t even think that you would be able to upgrade Android to a newer one. It´s already the current actual Android version.
You really should blame the vendor that BT is a mess. That is nothing the forum can help with. Your MCU is special for Toyota and you won´t find a matching update for your special unit.
Go back to the seller and ask for an update otherwise you open a dispute on Alibaba. This is the one and only way to get them start working.
Sorry, but these special units with this MCU, that is not easy going.

rigattoni said:
Well... don´t even think that you would be able to upgrade Android to a newer one. It´s already the current actual Android version.
You really should blame the vendor that BT is a mess. That is nothing the forum can help with. Your MCU is special for Toyota and you won´t find a matching update for your special unit.
Go back to the seller and ask for an update otherwise you open a dispute on Alibaba. This is the one and only way to get them start working.
Sorry, but these special units with this MCU, that is not easy going.
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Thanks Rigattoni,
this explains why I couldn't find anything really while searching a few hours yesterday.
Thanks for the info!!